OTIUM

[El Mel]

Jul 17, 2021 9:04:07 GMT 1 yoy said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:55:25 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Of course they do.

What a fucking daft argument to put forward.

So you don't think people make judgements about Muslims because their wives are forced to wear face coverings, or the fact that when they blow themselves to bits, the do it in the name of God??

Just to show that not all who report posts are cowards… I’ve reported this post. First one I’ve ever reported. And for reference … I also agree with Ted’s response to it.

A prime example of the liberals suppressing the views they don't like based on morality.

Good for you.

[jim100]

I always saw otium as a bit like an extreme version of Peter hitchens in that the context of most of his posts are in what he sees as the moral and absolute decline of the UK while probably been deliberately contreversial. I actually don't think he is racist or homophobe but just a product of his times and lived experience in other countries, most of which will be far more intolerant than this one.

His ban just reflects what is happening in wider society where people with certain opposing views in the culture war are not only banned but ostracised. I don't follow it closely but has anyone been banned for the abuse he gets?

Anyway good luck Otium hope you find you way back onto this board

[El Mel]

Jul 17, 2021 9:09:57 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:41:02 GMT 1 El Mel said:

If somebody posted their religious views, and you banned them for it, you'd be racist. So you wouldn't ban them would you?

Let's be honest, if a known Muslim was posting on here about homophobia and how it's part of their religious beliefs, you would not have the balls to silence them.

Well, you're right of course. The scenario is unrealistic. What we'd do is give them a yellow. Then a ban. Then another yellow... then another ban... and so on until a lifetime ban.

Meanwhile you would be asking us why it had taken so long.

Do you see the irony?

So you would denounce Islamic practices based on the homophobic content of their religion then.

That's interesting.

[Deleted]

Jul 17, 2021 9:09:57 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:41:02 GMT 1 El Mel said:

If somebody posted their religious views, and you banned them for it, you'd be racist. So you wouldn't ban them would you?

Let's be honest, if a known Muslim was posting on here about homophobia and how it's part of their religious beliefs, you would not have the balls to silence them.

Well, you're right of course. The scenario is unrealistic. What we'd do is give them a yellow. Then a ban. Then another yellow... then another ban... and so on until a lifetime ban.

Meanwhile you would be asking us why it had taken so long.

Do you see the irony?

Personally, think anything longer than a month ban is pretty sad tbh.

If it's to an extent of racism and continuous or homophobic posts etc, that's different. A person should be pulled up and explained etc etc. Near all are grown adults and should know better, Oti being as multi cultural as he is, should know.

Where did these lifetime band come from? Did people on here vote for it or was it just made up as seen fit by admins?

I've seen Nicks posts before with his cryptic writing etc. He may have been a bit of a tool, but what's he done to warrant a lifetime ban? I'd read some stupid shit off him, but he's very off the wall but quite funny. Let him be, if folk don't like it then mute his posts or clearly ignore it completely.

There does seem to be vendetta against a few on here, by the same culprits and I don't mean yourself. It seems if folk don't like you, some may go out the way to report you, just because.

It's a site for football and miserable sods chatting. It's amusing when I read Otis exploring at a Belarus Division 2 match scouting the waterboy. This site would be on its arse without some of these characters. Alot of the golden threads contain ones banned. There is a line, but there's also a way to sort it without booting them off for good

[yoy]

Jul 17, 2021 9:14:18 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Jul 17, 2021 9:04:07 GMT 1 yoy said:

Just to show that not all who report posts are cowards… I’ve reported this post. First one I’ve ever reported. And for reference … I also agree with Ted’s response to it.

A prime example of the liberals suppressing the views they don't like based on morality.

Good for you.

Firstly… I’m not liberal. But good to see you trying to use big words. Secondly…. You think the inference that a high proportion of Muslims are extremists is appropriate? Tell me what you think your comment adds to any debate ever. Because it is quite clear where it reduces the likelihood of getting the diverse views that you apparently crave.

There have been suicide bombers who have done so in the name of their faith. That’s far from the same as what you said. But… Good for you!

[El Mel]

Jul 17, 2021 9:28:13 GMT 1 yoy said:

Jul 17, 2021 9:14:18 GMT 1 El Mel said:

A prime example of the liberals suppressing the views they don't like based on morality.

Good for you.

Firstly… I’m not liberal. But good to see you trying to use big words. Secondly…. You think the inference that a high proportion of Muslims are extremists is appropriate? Tell me what you think your comment adds to any debate ever. Because it is quite clear where it reduces the likelihood of getting the diverse views that you apparently crave.

There have been suicide bombers who have done so in the name of their faith. That’s far from the same as what you said. But… Good for you!

You're talking shite.

"Inference that a high proportion of Muslims are extremists"

Go back to bed.

[exberlinerterrier]

Jul 17, 2021 9:20:41 GMT 1 jim100 said:

I always saw otium as a bit like an extreme version of Peter hitchens in that the context of most of his posts are in what he sees as the moral and absolute decline of the UK while probably been deliberately contreversial. I actually don't think he is racist or homophobe but just a product of his times and lived experience in other countries, most of which will be far more intolerant than this one.

His ban just reflects what is happening in wider society where people with certain opposing views in the culture war are not only banned but ostracised. I don't follow it closely but has anyone been banned for the abuse he gets?

Anyway good luck Otium hope you find you way back onto this board

He literally said that being homosexual is deviant and in the past likened it to illness and pedophilia. How can he not be a homophobe? It’s impossible

[Deleted]

9 pages from last night on Oti.

Says how shit this board would be without him. More pages than some signings.

[Deleted]

Jul 17, 2021 9:30:29 GMT 1 exberlinerterrier said:

Jul 17, 2021 9:20:41 GMT 1 jim100 said:

I always saw otium as a bit like an extreme version of Peter hitchens in that the context of most of his posts are in what he sees as the moral and absolute decline of the UK while probably been deliberately contreversial. I actually don't think he is racist or homophobe but just a product of his times and lived experience in other countries, most of which will be far more intolerant than this one.

His ban just reflects what is happening in wider society where people with certain opposing views in the culture war are not only banned but ostracised. I don't follow it closely but has anyone been banned for the abuse he gets?

Anyway good luck Otium hope you find you way back onto this board

He literally said that being homosexual is deviant and in the past likened it to illness and pedophilia. How can he not be a homophobe? It’s impossible

Some religions think that, although yes it's wrong.

People move with the times and adapt or get left behind. Oti seemingly falls in the latter on some. However, they're his views, like it or not.

[yoy]

Jul 17, 2021 9:29:53 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Jul 17, 2021 9:28:13 GMT 1 yoy said:

Firstly… I’m not liberal. But good to see you trying to use big words. Secondly…. You think the inference that a high proportion of Muslims are extremists is appropriate? Tell me what you think your comment adds to any debate ever. Because it is quite clear where it reduces the likelihood of getting the diverse views that you apparently crave.

There have been suicide bombers who have done so in the name of their faith. That’s far from the same as what you said. But… Good for you!

You're talking shite.

"Inference that a high proportion of Muslims are extremists"

Go back to bed.

I see that once again you don’t bother to engage in the debate you’ve created and just throw insults instead. A) Brave B) as others have commented, you only want diversity of opinion when all opinions are equal to yours; and C) I’ll reiterate Ted’s assessment.

[Champers]

Jul 17, 2021 9:30:52 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

9 pages from last night on Oti.

Says how shit this board would be without him. More pages than some signings.

Does it? I'd say it shows that even without him, it's business as usual.

[exberlinerterrier]

Jul 17, 2021 9:34:44 GMT 1 yoy said:

Jul 17, 2021 9:29:53 GMT 1 El Mel said:

You're talking shite.

"Inference that a high proportion of Muslims are extremists"

Go back to bed.

I see that once again you don’t bother to engage in the debate you’ve created and just throw insults instead. A) Brave B) as others have commented, you only want diversity of opinion when all opinions are equal to yours; and C) I’ll reiterate Ted’s assessment.

Probably best not to waste your time with Mel. They seem to just go round and round in circles and not really understand the fundamentals of reasoned discussion.

[Champers]

Jul 17, 2021 9:36:59 GMT 1 exberlinerterrier said:

Jul 17, 2021 9:34:44 GMT 1 yoy said:

I see that once again you don’t bother to engage in the debate you’ve created and just throw insults instead. A) Brave B) as others have commented, you only want diversity of opinion when all opinions are equal to yours; and C) I’ll reiterate Ted’s assessment.

Probably best not to waste your time with Mel. They seem to just go round and round in circles and not really understand the fundamentals of reasoned discussion.

At this point I would vote to bring Oti back and ban Mel instead. Oti was a lot of things, but an insufferable bore wasn't one of them.

[Deleted]

Jul 17, 2021 9:36:10 GMT 1 Champers said:

Jul 17, 2021 9:30:52 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

9 pages from last night on Oti.

Says how shit this board would be without him. More pages than some signings.

Does it? I'd say it shows that even without him, it's business as usual.

You got any stories of travelling to Hungary on an Armadillo have ya? I could read his stories all day. Even them that dislike him will even laugh at some of them. You can't deny he brings something different. 9 pages shows he's a topic of convo in here.

[El Mel]

Jul 17, 2021 9:34:44 GMT 1 yoy said:

Jul 17, 2021 9:29:53 GMT 1 El Mel said:

You're talking shite.

"Inference that a high proportion of Muslims are extremists"

Go back to bed.

I see that once again you don’t bother to engage in the debate you’ve created and just throw insults instead. A) Brave B) as others have commented, you only want diversity of opinion when all opinions are equal to yours; and C) I’ll reiterate Ted’s assessment.

Engage in the debate???

I made a point that associated Islam extremists using religion to justify terrorism, and you've reported me for it.

Why would I want to engage in anything with somebody so sensitive?

[stevvy]

I'm certain I'll get absolutely slaughtered by some people for what I'm about to write (but I don't really give a shit).

His illness shouldn't mean he can't get a lifetime ban. By the sounds of it his illness has meant he's had more chances than others would usually receive.

Not sure why people are having a go at any admins or whoever has reported what he's said. Not the admins fault if someone says something that someone else reports.

The only person at fault in this really is otium himself. He wrote something that someone reported. He chose to write it. He knew what he was writing.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Jul 17, 2021 8:22:03 GMT 1 exberlinerterrier said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:15:04 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Nailed it there Mel.

It’s like anyone remotely right is a nazi.

The snowflakes, liberals and far lefts have some moral compass.

The offended as I call them.

The only two mentions of Nazism and Fascism on this forum in the last 24 hours are by people defending Otium. The other poster used it to insult those supporting the ban, and you have suggested that lefties think you are a nazi. Nazis had no moral compass. What are you actually trying to say? It sounds like you've regurgitated something you once heard someone say before without understanding the utter meaningless behind it.  

The use of the term always puzzles me, the term is strictly associated with the political party and the Third Reich and not to be used in the context of insulting someone. I suspect the term is never used in Germany and if it is it would have very negative connotations far more negative than how we use it (or in terms of the extreme far right), in a general catch all term.

[Champers]

Jul 17, 2021 9:38:22 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

Jul 17, 2021 9:36:10 GMT 1 Champers said:

Does it? I'd say it shows that even without him, it's business as usual.

You got any stories of travelling to Hungary on an Armadillo have ya? I could read his stories all day. Even them that dislike him will even laugh at some of them. You can't deny he brings something different. 9 pages shows he's a topic of convo in here.

If all of his stories were just that kind of thing then he would be my favourite poster by a long way. I loved all that 'Walter Mitty' stuff and some of it was genuine laugh out loud material, whether intentional or not!

When I first joined this site, his was one of the first usernames I remembered because of the sheer unbelievable nature of some of his tales. My biggest mistake was venturing into off topic though. That's where I realised that he wasn't quite as charming as I'd first thought. Quite the opposite in fact. I never did nor never would have reported him for his views, as that just isn't how I go about things, but I took a few bans myself for confronting him head on about some of the discriminatory viewpoints he would peddle. If he could have just stuck to what he was actually really, really good at, then he'd be everyones number one poster. But the amount of warnings he ignored showed that he wasn't really bothered about that. Nobody can argue he wasn't given adequate warnings to cut out the bullshit.

[Henry Mcgee]

All my life I have been firmly on the left side of politics - and proud of it. However, I really enjoy reading the posts of Galpharm, Otium, Captainslapper et all - they all have great value and they all challenge my views and often I.can agree with many things they say.

However, there are some fucking pious, sanctimonious, self righteous (and one truly odious) posters on here - posters who I am more aligned with politically - but who personally I find utterly obnoxious.

To those posters I say congratulations - you must be feeling pretty smug and self satisfied right now. There's a bloke (a bloke with quite extreme views I agree) at end-of-life and he's been banned for life - well a few weeks actually isn't it? And yes, I know he's a big boy - but ultimately he just had very different views to you and you had to be the winners.

He was obviously getting a great deal of fun posting on here he did it so much. I hope you all reflect on this at some point, although I know you won't - because sanctimonious, pious, self righteous people don't do self reflection very well.

Farewell Otium, raconteur, bon vivant, holder of pretty extreme views - lots of which I didn't share, but an entertainer, an incredibly interesting man, a far more interesting man than the superior clique that have taken an outlet from his current grim situation away from him.

[yoy]

Jul 17, 2021 9:39:29 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Jul 17, 2021 9:34:44 GMT 1 yoy said:

I see that once again you don’t bother to engage in the debate you’ve created and just throw insults instead. A) Brave B) as others have commented, you only want diversity of opinion when all opinions are equal to yours; and C) I’ll reiterate Ted’s assessment.

Engage in the debate???

I made a point that associated Islam extremists using religion to justify terrorism, and you've reported me for it.

Why would I want to engage in anything with somebody so sensitive?

Not sure why you’d want to engage in anything with someone so sensitive. But you are engaging aren’t you?! Just not in relation to the debate you started. I assume because you do not have a way of responding to reasoned posts in a meaningful fashion. So instead you just throw out meaningless tripe in the hope that it detracts from the prior meaningless (but offensive) tripe you posted.

As for the post I reported…. It doesn’t offend me. It leaves me with a tinge of sadness that a grown adult cannot see how it might cause offence to others. Communities who have been persecuted as a result of the actions of minorities who happen to share the same faith.

This is the last post I’ll make on this matter. I can see that either you’re too stubborn to accept the stupidity of the low value / high potential damage “points” you make or else you’re just too thick to understand it. However, I will say that posts like yours and Otium’s do make it more likely that I’ll give this site a miss in future. Dress up your own failings in me being “over sensitive” if you wish (ironically I’m thick skinned enough to take it) but be under no illusion that there are plenty of people who understand the reality. What you are claiming as a right to express your view significantly reduces the number of views that we are likely to hear. And frankly…. The ones we are missing out on are likely to be significantly more interesting than the crap that you post.

[tepidterrier]

he was an entertaining poster, which is precisely why he got far more chances than anybody else. so this is clearly a reluctant action. he was on his final warning for about 2 years I think? I wonder how many times he actually broke the sitewide rules during that time but admins looked the other way because he's a popular poster.

I do generally find him entertaining when talking about most things, but his homophobia and transphobia have been consistently a really horrible presence on this forum- not just the politics board but whenever he got the chance to on the main board as well. I don't think it's a big ask to cut that out and it was his choice not to. Play stupid games win stupid prizes

[The King's Head 1230]

I don't care where you're from or who you are. If you've got a good sense of humour then you'll do for me.

[Town1971]

Otium knew what he was doing and got a overdue ban. Now probably
enjoying all the attention.
I hope that his final days are peaceful and painfree.

[Deleted]

Jul 17, 2021 9:45:57 GMT 1 Champers said:

Jul 17, 2021 9:38:22 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

You got any stories of travelling to Hungary on an Armadillo have ya? I could read his stories all day. Even them that dislike him will even laugh at some of them. You can't deny he brings something different. 9 pages shows he's a topic of convo in here.

If all of his stories were just that kind of thing then he would be my favourite poster by a long way. I loved all that 'Walter Mitty' stuff and some of it was genuine laugh out loud material, whether intentional or not!

When I first joined this site, his was one of the first usernames I remembered because of the sheer unbelievable nature of some of his tales. My biggest mistake was venturing into off topic though. That's where I realised that he wasn't quite as charming as I'd first thought. Quite the opposite in fact. I never did nor never would have reported him for his views, as that just isn't how I go about things, but I took a few bans myself for confronting him head on about some of the discriminatory viewpoints he would peddle. If he could have just stuck to what he was actually really, really good at, then he'd be everyones number one poster. But the amount of warnings he ignored showed that he wasn't really bothered about that. Nobody can argue he wasn't given adequate warnings to cut out the bullshit.

That's fair enough. Off Topic is for spouting shite, his views however wrong are his views. Everyone is entitled to them I suppose.

I don't get involved in the bullshit side of things, I come to read his stories of where he's been. I cant say I've even noticed his views, probably just chose not to be arsed.

I don't really know why he's been banned. Is it about said views you mentioned?

Nothing in terms of racism, homophobic slurs etc should be tolerated, but I'd rather see someone be pulled up privately and educated. I don't for one second believe he's racist either, just a bit left in the dark days. Views on sexual orientation is his choice tbh. Plenty of religions teach its a sin, to which I disagree mind.

If we all agreed, the world would be mental

[Deleted]

Jul 16, 2021 16:40:08 GMT 1 sabailand said:

Maybe if the off topic and politics sections were taken off the forum more people wouldnt be under threat of bans as much, thing is those sections are the most entertaining and during non football days its the first place many of us look....yes we all know who we are.

It's an absolute recipe for a ban and mass arguments, which get carried over into here. Take that away, it wouldn't be half as bad really.

[Champers]

Jul 17, 2021 10:04:42 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

Jul 17, 2021 9:45:57 GMT 1 Champers said:

If all of his stories were just that kind of thing then he would be my favourite poster by a long way. I loved all that 'Walter Mitty' stuff and some of it was genuine laugh out loud material, whether intentional or not!

When I first joined this site, his was one of the first usernames I remembered because of the sheer unbelievable nature of some of his tales. My biggest mistake was venturing into off topic though. That's where I realised that he wasn't quite as charming as I'd first thought. Quite the opposite in fact. I never did nor never would have reported him for his views, as that just isn't how I go about things, but I took a few bans myself for confronting him head on about some of the discriminatory viewpoints he would peddle. If he could have just stuck to what he was actually really, really good at, then he'd be everyones number one poster. But the amount of warnings he ignored showed that he wasn't really bothered about that. Nobody can argue he wasn't given adequate warnings to cut out the bullshit.

That's fair enough. Off Topic is for spouting shite, his views however wrong are his views. Everyone is entitled to them I suppose.

I don't get involved in the bullshit side of things, I come to read his stories of where he's been. I cant say I've even noticed his views, probably just chose not to be arsed.

I don't really know why he's been banned. Is it about said views you mentioned?

Nothing in terms of racism, homophobic slurs etc should be tolerated, but I'd rather see someone be pulled up privately and educated. I don't for one second believe he's racist either, just a bit left in the dark days. Views on sexual orientation is his choice tbh. Plenty of religions teach its a sin, to which I disagree mind.

If we all agreed, the world would be mental

The reason he's banned is further up the thread I believe, but hes been pulled up more times than anyone in this sites history I expect, and let's face it, Otium didn't have it in him to show a bit of humility - in some ways it's what made him the character he is - and ultimately it's because of that why the axe has fallen on him.

I actually agree with you in that he's most likely just a product of another time. My grandad was the same, fantastic bloke, do anything for anyone, achieved an enormous amount in his life, but carried some horrible, staunch viewpoints that probably stopped being socially acceptable sometime close to when I was born in the very late 70s. The problem is, when you've been brought up to believe this and carried it around for so long, re-education isn't ever really an option. The admins have all admitted ge was probably given more leeway than most would have got, so whilst even I'll miss parts of what he would regale us all with, I believe he made the decision pretty easy in the end.

[foxtrot666]

Jul 17, 2021 9:49:54 GMT 1 Henry Mcgee said:

All my life I have been firmly on the left side of politics - and proud of it. However, I really enjoy reading the posts of Galpharm, Otium, Captainslapper et all - they all have great value and they all challenge my views and often I.can agree with many things they say.

However, there are some fucking pious, sanctimonious, self righteous (and one truly odious) posters on here - posters who I am more aligned with politically - but who personally I find utterly obnoxious.

To those posters I say congratulations - you must be feeling pretty smug and self satisfied right now. There's a bloke (a bloke with quite extreme views I agree) at end-of-life and he's been banned for life - well a few weeks actually isn't it? And yes, I know he's a big boy - but ultimately he just had very different views to you and you had to be the winners.

He was obviously getting a great deal of fun posting on here he did it so much. I hope you all reflect on this at some point, although I know you won't - because sanctimonious, pious, self righteous people don't do self reflection very well.

Farewell Otium, raconteur, bon vivant, holder of pretty extreme views - lots of which I didn't share, but an entertainer, an incredibly interesting man, a far more interesting man than the superior clique that have taken an outlet from his current grim situation away from him.

Great post

[Deleted]

Jul 17, 2021 10:17:41 GMT 1 Champers said:

Jul 17, 2021 10:04:42 GMT 1 @halifaxterrier1 said:

That's fair enough. Off Topic is for spouting shite, his views however wrong are his views. Everyone is entitled to them I suppose.

I don't get involved in the bullshit side of things, I come to read his stories of where he's been. I cant say I've even noticed his views, probably just chose not to be arsed.

I don't really know why he's been banned. Is it about said views you mentioned?

Nothing in terms of racism, homophobic slurs etc should be tolerated, but I'd rather see someone be pulled up privately and educated. I don't for one second believe he's racist either, just a bit left in the dark days. Views on sexual orientation is his choice tbh. Plenty of religions teach its a sin, to which I disagree mind.

If we all agreed, the world would be mental

The reason he's banned is further up the thread I believe, but hes been pulled up more times than anyone in this sites history I expect, and let's face it, Otium didn't have it in him to show a bit of humility - in some ways it's what made him the character he is - and ultimately it's because of that why the axe has fallen on him.

I actually agree with you in that he's most likely just a product of another time. My grandad was the same, fantastic bloke, do anything for anyone, achieved an enormous amount in his life, but carried some horrible, staunch viewpoints that probably stopped being socially acceptable sometime close to when I was born in the very late 70s. The problem is, when you've been brought up to believe this and carried it around for so long, re-education isn't ever really an option. The admins have all admitted ge was probably given more leeway than most would have got, so whilst even I'll miss parts of what he would regale us all with, I believe he made the decision pretty easy in the end.

I've just read the post he was banned for. They're his views on an off topic board. I fully disagree, but he's kind of said his reasoning. He hasn't made slurs about it, just put a point across. Are we not allowed alternate views and explanations, no matter if it is wrong to the majority?

It's a bit treading on egg shells now in here and society as a whole. You can't say this or that, unless the masses want to hear it. I'd rather hear other views, bad or good and debate as to why. Isn't that what Off Topic is for?


Sorry it seems directed at you, it's obviously not, just doesn't strike me as a van or an offence given the board or was posted on. 😅

[waggers]

Jul 16, 2021 15:53:56 GMT 1 Niggled said:

Sticks and stones , too many people offended for the sake of being offended.

Band on

[Captainslapper]

Jul 17, 2021 9:06:04 GMT 1 Champers said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:55:25 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Of course they do.

What a fucking daft argument to put forward.

So you don't think people make judgements about Muslims because their wives are forced to wear face coverings, or the fact that when they blow themselves to bits, the do it in the name of God??

Islamic extremists would be a far more accurate description. I know many, many muslims and not one of them has a desire to kill anyone of any religion. Another interesting fact is that Islam isn't the only religion who have fanatic followers trying to kill in the name of god. You don't often see catholics or protestants pulled to pieces in off topic though, strange that.

Thats shows such a misunderstanding of peoples views.
You think anyone on off topic wouldn't pull any other religious murdering to pieces.. just islamic?
Thats a sweeping statement that doesn't have any relationship with reality whatsoever.
' Don't often' is simply down to how regular something is.

How many of the many muslims you know share Otiums opinions on homosexuality I wonder?
It does kind of go hand in hand with that religions instruction manual, as it does in other religions too.

Do you explain to them how their religion should be closed down and silenced to stop them promoting these views?