OTIUM

[Deleted]

Jul 17, 2021 3:11:01 GMT 1 impact said:

Those wanting him back must then also agree to ignore every rule of this forum.

That means no WUMs get banned and the board is full of them and people can post what they want no matter how distasteful.

It would soon turn into a disaster of a forum.

I would have sympathy if he said something and was banned without warning. He's been warned many times. He's a bright bloke and knows exactly what he's doing. If you are told saying this will lead to a ban and you say it, that's on you. And no doubt he's sat at home delighted that he's still the centre of attention.

What rules and made by who? Genuine question. Made by those to suit? Not being funny mind but if an admin dislikes someone then they'd do alot to get rid. It's facts whether folk wanna hear it or not

[somtam]

I rarely read his shit. Go for a pint with him? I would rather eat my left foot.

[dugnet]

Just taking a sideways look at this has it ever occurred to anyone that Otium may be welcoming this ban?

As entertaining and eccentric as he can be he's probably posting on another board somewhere right now that he's been banned by a bunch of lily livered wokes who's knowledge of football is questionable.

Whatever your opinion on this matter (mine is elsewhere on this thread) he's very good at shining the light on his corner of the world.

[Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser)]

One comment on here to those saying Otis views are harmless cos they're on a forum, we don't need rules etc.

If someone joined this site with the username ImamMohammed and posted homophibic content in the name is Islam, and we immediately banned them for life nobody would bat an eyelid. Oti included.

Oti has had years of last chances.

Let that sink in.

[captainblack]

The banning of Oti just mirrors what is happening
in the wider community in general, a gradual decline
in free speech. I am most likely one of many who
disagrees with Oti on the politics board, however
I like his input , I think it important that we
hear a wide range of viewpoints , not just a narrow
selection of views , unhealthy in my opinion.

I have read the post which resulted in Oti's ban
and I was not offended by it, and believe some
people are just too easily offended by such posts.

The timing of the ban on a personal level is absolutely
heartless in my opinion, and those responsible should
be ashamed of themselves , the man is seriously ill
and the forum must give the man some comfort and
relief. I believe this decision needs to be reviewed
immediately . Take care Oti and all the best.

[exberlinerterrier]

Jul 17, 2021 7:46:12 GMT 1 captainblack said:

The banning of Oti just mirrors what is happening
in the wider community in general, a gradual decline
in free speech. I am most likely one of many who
disagrees with Oti on the politics board, however
I like his input , I think it important that we
hear a wide range of viewpoints , not just a narrow
selection of views , unhealthy in my opinion.

I have read the post which resulted in Oti's ban
and I was not offended by it, and believe some
people are just too easily offended by such posts.

Quite a few people seem to be saying the same thing as you so far on this thread. What do you actually mean though? What evidence do you have that "free speech" is in decline? I find it a little puzzling, that's all. Some other posters have already very eloquently explained that "free speech" is a right but also a privilege, but that does not mean that the things one says are somehow without consequence. 

Regarding the second section of your post, who are you to suggest that other people shouldn't be offended by nasty posts (such as the one by Otium)? You have literally just said that you think there is a decline in "free speech", which suggests that you think others are intervening and not allowing you to express what you think, and somehow, you think that it is relevant that your not taking offence to Oti's post means that others shouldn't? Do you not see the contradiction you have just made? You've effectively said: others are preventing me from speaking freely, but when I don't take offence to something others shouldn't. 

[golcarexile]

We are talking about a man here who has been banned from more bookies than Peter Stringfellow has had shags and still manages to make a living betting. I'm sure if he wanted to get back on DATM, he would find a way. I don't think he will though because I don't see Otium as the sockpuppeting type, happy just to lurk and hide his real identity. It's a shame. I didn't always agree with his views, but I enjoyed him as a poster. No doubt that he has been deliberately pushing his luck with the admins and they have decided to wield their power to make a point. A misjudgment on his part perhaps, but probably not something he regrets in the grand scheme of things. As for what he said, I've heard worse from a group of octogenarian churchgoers. If you get offended by what you read on an internet football forum, seriously just stay off it.

[El Mel]

Jul 17, 2021 7:46:12 GMT 1 captainblack said:

The banning of Oti just mirrors what is happening
in the wider community in general, a gradual decline
in free speech. I am most likely one of many who
disagrees with Oti on the politics board, however
I like his input , I think it important that we
hear a wide range of viewpoints , not just a narrow
selection of views , unhealthy in my opinion.

I have read the post which resulted in Oti's ban
and I was not offended by it, and believe some
people are just too easily offended by such posts.

The timing of the ban on a personal level is absolutely
heartless in my opinion, and those responsible should
be ashamed of themselves , the man is seriously ill
and the forum must give the man some comfort and
relief. I believe this decision needs to be reviewed
immediately . Take care Oti and all the best.

Correct. The left are just stamping down the voice of the right and using morality to validate it.

It's wrong.

[turbo2]

Jul 16, 2021 23:18:05 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Jul 16, 2021 23:03:41 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Absolute rubbish.

It’s not to my taste lol.

Being a left wing woke is defo not to my taste.

But on this board you’re targeted as racist homophobes if you’re not

Have you tried it to know you don't like it 🤔

A right big shit many times. Gives me piles. Awful.

[yoy]

Jul 17, 2021 7:46:12 GMT 1 captainblack said:

The banning of Oti just mirrors what is happening
in the wider community in general, a gradual decline
in free speech. I am most likely one of many who
disagrees with Oti on the politics board, however
I like his input , I think it important that we
hear a wide range of viewpoints , not just a narrow
selection of views , unhealthy in my opinion.

I have read the post which resulted in Oti's ban
and I was not offended by it, and believe some
people are just too easily offended by such posts.

The timing of the ban on a personal level is absolutely
heartless in my opinion, and those responsible should
be ashamed of themselves , the man is seriously ill
and the forum must give the man some comfort and
relief. I believe this decision needs to be reviewed
immediately . Take care Oti and all the best.

Why is it relevant that you are or aren’t offended by it? The fact that you put that shows a gross misunderstanding of the situation.

You claim you want inclusion of a wide range of views, yet you’re happy with a post that discourages that very thing. Surely you can see the inconsistency in that?

I offer no view on whether he should be banned or not. But trying to defend his post is as mindless as the post itself.

[turbo2]

Jul 17, 2021 8:09:08 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Jul 17, 2021 7:46:12 GMT 1 captainblack said:

The banning of Oti just mirrors what is happening
in the wider community in general, a gradual decline
in free speech. I am most likely one of many who
disagrees with Oti on the politics board, however
I like his input , I think it important that we
hear a wide range of viewpoints , not just a narrow
selection of views , unhealthy in my opinion.

I have read the post which resulted in Oti's ban
and I was not offended by it, and believe some
people are just too easily offended by such posts.

The timing of the ban on a personal level is absolutely
heartless in my opinion, and those responsible should
be ashamed of themselves , the man is seriously ill
and the forum must give the man some comfort and
relief. I believe this decision needs to be reviewed
immediately . Take care Oti and all the best.

Correct. The left are just stamping down the voice of the right and using morality to validate it.

It's wrong.

Nailed it there Mel.

It’s like anyone remotely right is a nazi.

The snowflakes, liberals and far lefts have some moral compass.

The offended as I call them.

[Teddington Ted]

Jul 17, 2021 8:15:04 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:09:08 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Correct. The left are just stamping down the voice of the right and using morality to validate it.

It's wrong.

Nailed it there Mel.

It’s like anyone remotely right is a nazi.

The snowflakes, liberals and far lefts have some moral compass.

The offended as I call them.

You’re right. It’s getting so you can’t even write racist abuse in excrement on someone’s car any more.

[exberlinerterrier]

Jul 17, 2021 8:15:04 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:09:08 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Correct. The left are just stamping down the voice of the right and using morality to validate it.

It's wrong.

Nailed it there Mel.

It’s like anyone remotely right is a nazi.

The snowflakes, liberals and far lefts have some moral compass.

The offended as I call them.

The only two mentions of Nazism and Fascism on this forum in the last 24 hours are by people defending Otium. The other poster used it to insult those supporting the ban, and you have suggested that lefties think you are a nazi. Nazis had no moral compass. What are you actually trying to say? It sounds like you've regurgitated something you once heard someone say before without understanding the utter meaningless behind it.  

[captainblack]

Jul 17, 2021 8:04:37 GMT 1 exberlinerterrier said:

Jul 17, 2021 7:46:12 GMT 1 captainblack said:

The banning of Oti just mirrors what is happening
in the wider community in general, a gradual decline
in free speech. I am most likely one of many who
disagrees with Oti on the politics board, however
I like his input , I think it important that we
hear a wide range of viewpoints , not just a narrow
selection of views , unhealthy in my opinion.

I have read the post which resulted in Oti's ban
and I was not offended by it, and believe some
people are just too easily offended by such posts.

Quite a few people seem to be saying the same thing as you so far on this thread. What do you actually mean though? What evidence do you have that "free speech" is in decline? I find it a little puzzling, that's all. Some other posters have already very eloquently explained that "free speech" is a right but also a privilege, but that does not mean that the things one says are somehow without consequence. 

Regarding the second section of your post, who are you to suggest that other people shouldn't be offended by nasty posts (such as the one by Otium)? You have literally just said that you think there is a decline in "free speech", which suggests that you think others are intervening and not allowing you to express what you think, and somehow, you think that it is relevant that your not taking offence to Oti's post means that others shouldn't? Do you not see the contradiction you have just made? You've effectively said: others are preventing me from speaking freely, but when I don't take offence to something others shouldn't. 

Just look at the coverage the scientists who have
questioned the lockdown have been given on the MSM,
its virtually non existent!

I stick to my guns and say free speech is declining,
are people really being offended by Oti's post?
I cannot speak for other people about their veiws
on the post , I may not agree with many of Oti's
posts, however he does not upset ME.

[yoy]

Jul 17, 2021 8:15:04 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:09:08 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Correct. The left are just stamping down the voice of the right and using morality to validate it.

It's wrong.

Nailed it there Mel.

It’s like anyone remotely right is a nazi.

The snowflakes, liberals and far lefts have some moral compass.

The offended as I call them.

So you recognise that these sorts of posts can offend people. So now all we need is for you to recognise that they offer no value and then we can all sit back and wait for you to join the dots.

[exberlinerterrier]

Jul 17, 2021 8:24:34 GMT 1 captainblack said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:04:37 GMT 1 exberlinerterrier said:

Quite a few people seem to be saying the same thing as you so far on this thread. What do you actually mean though? What evidence do you have that "free speech" is in decline? I find it a little puzzling, that's all. Some other posters have already very eloquently explained that "free speech" is a right but also a privilege, but that does not mean that the things one says are somehow without consequence. 

Regarding the second section of your post, who are you to suggest that other people shouldn't be offended by nasty posts (such as the one by Otium)? You have literally just said that you think there is a decline in "free speech", which suggests that you think others are intervening and not allowing you to express what you think, and somehow, you think that it is relevant that your not taking offence to Oti's post means that others shouldn't? Do you not see the contradiction you have just made? You've effectively said: others are preventing me from speaking freely, but when I don't take offence to something others shouldn't. 

Just look at the coverage the scientists who have
questioned the lockdown have been given on the MSM,
its virtually non existent!

I stick to my guns and say free speech is declining,
are people really being offended by Oti's post?
I cannot speak for other people about their veiws
on the post , I may not agree with many of Oti's
posts, however he does not upset ME.

Huh?

[Teddington Ted]

Jul 17, 2021 8:22:03 GMT 1 exberlinerterrier said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:15:04 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Nailed it there Mel.

It’s like anyone remotely right is a nazi.

The snowflakes, liberals and far lefts have some moral compass.

The offended as I call them.

The only two mentions of Nazism and Fascism on this forum in the last 24 hours are by people defending Otium. You and the other poster used it to accuse those supporting the ban, who you deem lefties. Nazis had no moral compass. What are you actually trying to say? It sounds like you've regurgitated something you once heard someone say before without understanding the utter meaningless behind it.  

Spot on. The right are obsessed with the perceived indignation of the left whilst happily claiming to being branded fascists and Nazis when no such response actually exists.

It’s a pathetic, lazy and ignorant attempt to stoke a culture war in which they cast themselves as victims and martyrs in a pyrrhic struggle for ‘values’.

Like an angry drunk trying to start a fight in a pub whilst his fellow patrons ignore him. The decent folk just shrug their shoulders and feel a mixture of pity and utter disdain.

[Deleted]

Brave and correct decision by admins.

Is it sad that a long-time poster is banned when apparently terminally ill? Yes, it's very sad.

Is that a reason to allow said poster to abuse this forum with bullying language that aims to humiliate people for who they are? No, it's not. What if he were saying the same sort of thing about people based on the colour of their skin? Would that be ok too (as long as he were terminally ill)?

We need the admins to stand up for what is right, even when it's difficult to do so. Thank you, admins.

[workshyfop]

How pathetic must your life be to report someone and get them banned from an internet football forum? It’s laughable. Ignore it, disagree, scroll on, argue, slag him off by all means … but to actually snitch, tell the teacher, whine and deprive others of some entertainment is the most cowardly and embarrassing thing I can think of, ffs.

[yoy]

Jul 17, 2021 8:30:12 GMT 1 Teddington Ted said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:22:03 GMT 1 exberlinerterrier said:

The only two mentions of Nazism and Fascism on this forum in the last 24 hours are by people defending Otium. You and the other poster used it to accuse those supporting the ban, who you deem lefties. Nazis had no moral compass. What are you actually trying to say? It sounds like you've regurgitated something you once heard someone say before without understanding the utter meaningless behind it.  

Spot on. The right are obsessed with the perceived indignation of the left whilst happily claiming to being branded fascists and Nazis when no such response actually exists.

It’s a pathetic, lazy and ignorant attempt to stoke a culture war in which they cast themselves as victims and martyrs in a pyrrhic struggle for ‘values’.

Like an angry drunk trying to start a fight in a pub whilst his fellow patrons ignore him. The decent folk just shrug their shoulders and feel a mixture of pity and utter disdain.

Whilst I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, the only comment I’ll add is that for most people they are much more central on the political spectrum than this and so it is much more about common decency than it is around left or right. However…. I do think you’ve hit the nail on the head. The last sentence in particular is a really good cue for me to leave the rest of this thread well alone.

[Teddington Ted]

Jul 17, 2021 8:37:31 GMT 1 workshyfop said:

How pathetic must your life be to report someone and get them banned from an internet football forum? It’s laughable. Ignore it, disagree, scroll on, argue, slag him off by all means … but to actually snitch, tell the teacher, whine and deprive others of some entertainment is the most cowardly and embarrassing thing I can think of, ffs.

Imagine being so filled with hatred towards others that you can’t control yourself not to spout filth on a football message board to the degree you get banned for life?

Now that is fucking embarrassing.

[El Mel]

Jul 17, 2021 7:43:59 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

One comment on here to those saying Otis views are harmless cos they're on a forum, we don't need rules etc.

If someone joined this site with the username ImamMohammed and posted homophibic content in the name is Islam, and we immediately banned them for life nobody would bat an eyelid. Oti included.

Oti has had years of last chances.

Let that sink in.

If somebody posted their religious views, and you banned them for it, you'd be racist. So you wouldn't ban them would you?

Let's be honest, if a known Muslim was posting on here about homophobia and how it's part of their religious beliefs, you would not have the balls to silence them.

[Teddington Ted]

Jul 17, 2021 8:41:02 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Jul 17, 2021 7:43:59 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

One comment on here to those saying Otis views are harmless cos they're on a forum, we don't need rules etc.

If someone joined this site with the username ImamMohammed and posted homophibic content in the name is Islam, and we immediately banned them for life nobody would bat an eyelid. Oti included.

Oti has had years of last chances.

Let that sink in.

If somebody posted their religious views, and you banned them for it, you'd be racist. So you wouldn't ban them would you?

Let's be honest, if a known Muslim was posting on here about homophobia and how it's part of their religious beliefs, you would not have the balls to silence them.

Religious views have nothing to do with race or racism.

You not knowing that highlights the level of argument you’re putting forward.

[Champers]

Jul 17, 2021 8:37:31 GMT 1 workshyfop said:

How pathetic must your life be to report someone and get them banned from an internet football forum? It’s laughable. Ignore it, disagree, scroll on, argue, slag him off by all means … but to actually snitch, tell the teacher, whine and deprive others of some entertainment is the most cowardly and embarrassing thing I can think of, ffs.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. Although it's interesting that whenever I've tried to follow your advice towards Otium its resulted in me being "snitched" on by one of his acolytes and resulted in a ban for me every time. Strange how all these folk championing "fReE sPeEcH" only see things their own way, isn't it? 🙄

[jasrick]

Jul 17, 2021 8:40:39 GMT 1 yoy said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:30:12 GMT 1 Teddington Ted said:

Spot on. The right are obsessed with the perceived indignation of the left whilst happily claiming to being branded fascists and Nazis when no such response actually exists.

It’s a pathetic, lazy and ignorant attempt to stoke a culture war in which they cast themselves as victims and martyrs in a pyrrhic struggle for ‘values’.

Like an angry drunk trying to start a fight in a pub whilst his fellow patrons ignore him. The decent folk just shrug their shoulders and feel a mixture of pity and utter disdain.

Whilst I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, the only comment I’ll add is that for most people they are much more central on the political spectrum than this and so it is much more about common decency than it is around left or right. However…. I do think you’ve hit the nail on the head. The last sentence in particular is a really good cue for me to leave the rest of this thread well alone.

I agree - this isn’t right v left and shouldn’t be framed as such.

[El Mel]

Jul 17, 2021 8:44:24 GMT 1 Teddington Ted said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:41:02 GMT 1 El Mel said:

If somebody posted their religious views, and you banned them for it, you'd be racist. So you wouldn't ban them would you?

Let's be honest, if a known Muslim was posting on here about homophobia and how it's part of their religious beliefs, you would not have the balls to silence them.

Religious views have nothing to do with race or racism.

You not knowing that highlights the level of argument you’re putting forward.

Of course they do.

What a fucking daft argument to put forward.

So you don't think people make judgements about Muslims because their wives are forced to wear face coverings, or the fact that when they blow themselves to bits, the do it in the name of God??

[Teddington Ted]

Jul 17, 2021 8:55:25 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:44:24 GMT 1 Teddington Ted said:

Religious views have nothing to do with race or racism.

You not knowing that highlights the level of argument you’re putting forward.

Of course they do.

What a fucking daft argument to put forward.

So you don't think people make judgements about Muslims because their wives are forced to wear face coverings, or the fact that when they blow themselves to bits, the do it in the name of God??

Sweet Jesus. You’re as thick as mince.

[yoy]

Jul 17, 2021 8:55:25 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:44:24 GMT 1 Teddington Ted said:

Religious views have nothing to do with race or racism.

You not knowing that highlights the level of argument you’re putting forward.

Of course they do.

What a fucking daft argument to put forward.

So you don't think people make judgements about Muslims because their wives are forced to wear face coverings, or the fact that when they blow themselves to bits, the do it in the name of God??

Just to show that not all who report posts are cowards… I’ve reported this post. First one I’ve ever reported. And for reference … I also agree with Ted’s response to it.

[Champers]

Jul 17, 2021 8:55:25 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Jul 17, 2021 8:44:24 GMT 1 Teddington Ted said:

Religious views have nothing to do with race or racism.

You not knowing that highlights the level of argument you’re putting forward.

Of course they do.

What a fucking daft argument to put forward.

So you don't think people make judgements about Muslims because their wives are forced to wear face coverings, or the fact that when they blow themselves to bits, the do it in the name of God??

Islamic extremists would be a far more accurate description. I know many, many muslims and not one of them has a desire to kill anyone of any religion. Another interesting fact is that Islam isn't the only religion who have fanatic followers trying to kill in the name of god. You don't often see catholics or protestants pulled to pieces in off topic though, strange that.

[Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser)]

Jul 17, 2021 8:41:02 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Jul 17, 2021 7:43:59 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

One comment on here to those saying Otis views are harmless cos they're on a forum, we don't need rules etc.

If someone joined this site with the username ImamMohammed and posted homophibic content in the name is Islam, and we immediately banned them for life nobody would bat an eyelid. Oti included.

Oti has had years of last chances.

Let that sink in.

If somebody posted their religious views, and you banned them for it, you'd be racist. So you wouldn't ban them would you?

Let's be honest, if a known Muslim was posting on here about homophobia and how it's part of their religious beliefs, you would not have the balls to silence them.

Well, you're right of course. The scenario is unrealistic. What we'd do is give them a yellow. Then a ban. Then another yellow... then another ban... and so on until a lifetime ban.

Meanwhile you would be asking us why it had taken so long.

Do you see the irony?