omar1988
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Post by omar1988 on Jul 20, 2021 23:03:10 GMT 1
Bit like your sex life chief. Somebody's Mrs has been talking Really? Talking to who? Hope it wasn't some young laid back, easy going Spanish lad? That would put me in a right miserable mood. I'd whine and moan. Probably throw my toys out the pram like I do when I don't get my own way. Might even strop off and have a hissy fit. |
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Post by willo on Jul 21, 2021 1:02:51 GMT 1
Regardless of the rights/wrongs/anything else about this whole oti furore, what will the chatter in the stands be like once we’re allowed back into grounds again? A whole heap of stuff has gone on, will a topic like this be discussed sensibly in the ground or is there going to be some strong and frank exchanges of opinion cos there’s plenty on here with very differing views. One thing oti’s opinions have done is divide folk. I reckon he knew what he was doing when he threw his latest bomb in, hoping for and very definitely getting an explosive response from many. You can just imagine his reaction reading all this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 1:50:10 GMT 1
Regardless of the rights/wrongs/anything else about this whole oti furore, what will the chatter in the stands be like once we’re allowed back into grounds again? A whole heap of stuff has gone on, will a topic like this be discussed sensibly in the ground or is there going to be some strong and frank exchanges of opinion cos there’s plenty on here with very differing views. One thing oti’s opinions have done is divide folk. I reckon he knew what he was doing when he threw his latest bomb in, hoping for and very definitely getting an explosive response from many. You can just imagine his reaction reading all this. I dont know otium but i reckon he is just putting his opinions on a football forum, whether it is football, music or politics. I dont think he is salavating at the keyboard waiting for people to respond with frothy mouths of anger. I do believe a lot of his opinions cross a line. No different to a cross section of society though. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 21, 2021 6:09:02 GMT 1
Regardless of the rights/wrongs/anything else about this whole oti furore, what will the chatter in the stands be like once we’re allowed back into grounds again? A whole heap of stuff has gone on, will a topic like this be discussed sensibly in the ground or is there going to be some strong and frank exchanges of opinion cos there’s plenty on here with very differing views. One thing oti’s opinions have done is divide folk. I reckon he knew what he was doing when he threw his latest bomb in, hoping for and very definitely getting an explosive response from many. You can just imagine his reaction reading all this. If the post hadn't been reported, and Otium subsequently banned, I don't think many people would have even really noticed his post. There aren't that many people who read the forum avidly, especially the Off Topic section. |
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Post by offsideclyde on Jul 21, 2021 6:57:50 GMT 1
If you have decided not to reinstate Oti then probably the best thing is to cancel the thread too.
Cancel culture at it's worst.
Personal issues with people impacting on shit decision making.
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Post by digs on Jul 21, 2021 7:38:47 GMT 1
I don't get it,how come the most popular thread on the forum is about someone that's banned,it's not been the same since Nick and Moaner were kicked too,all three of them good lads
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Post by cissystrutt74 on Jul 21, 2021 8:06:52 GMT 1
I don't get it,how come the most popular thread on the forum is about someone that's banned,it's not been the same since Nick and Moaner were kicked too,all three of them good lads This place is only as good as the people who contribute! Clearly alot of people here liked Oti, including myself, despite some of his off centre opinions. It's like losing a friend in a way! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 8:07:41 GMT 1
I don't get it,how come the most popular thread on the forum is about someone that's banned,it's not been the same since Nick and Moaner were kicked too,all three of them good lads It's a damn site more interesting (although tedious & irrelevant if nothing will change) than the crap normally suffered on here that is often figments of peoples imagination trying to ITN, but just looking like tits all the bloody time (and that is putting it politely)! |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 21, 2021 8:30:24 GMT 1
I don't get it,how come the most popular thread on the forum is about someone that's banned,it's not been the same since Nick and Moaner were kicked too,all three of them good lads The problem is mate, if you're an easily offended wanker, you can just keep reporting people everytime they overstep the mark, until eventually the admins get rid of them. I've reported loads of people these last few days, just for the hell of it. Funnily enough, no action has been taken. It must mean I'm not an easily offended wanker. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 21, 2021 8:47:46 GMT 1
As with a lot of your posts, I got a couple of lines into it and lost interest. I got as far as 'despicable' and realised it would be heading down the usual condescending nonsense in a tantruming child style. In amongst the abuse and sensationalism, you might even make decent points, but I dont have the patience to look for them. Part of being a champion of tolerance is that you should be able to tolerate things YOU dont like, such as opposing opinions. You really do struggle with that. What a shame that you couldn't have the courtesy to read his post. You might have learned something. Maybe. What a shame he can't articulate himself like an adult, then id have given him the courtesy of reading it. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 21, 2021 8:58:49 GMT 1
As with a lot of your posts, I got a couple of lines into it and lost interest. I got as far as 'despicable' and realised it would be heading down the usual condescending nonsense in a tantruming child style. In amongst the abuse and sensationalism, you might even make decent points, but I dont have the patience to look for them. Part of being a champion of tolerance is that you should be able to tolerate things YOU dont like, such as opposing opinions. You really do struggle with that. What a pathetic, cowardly response. "tantruming"? Nah, just dismantling your pathetic drivel point-by-point. Either own your posts or defend them, but dismissing a reasoned and considered response to your post because "you lost interest" shows you up for the absolute fraud that you are. Pitiful. You can think that if you like. I just struggle to bother with replies which are just going to be a condescending tantrum full of abuse, which going by the first line or two, it was clearly going to be. You can think Im wrong all you like. I dont think I am but Im happy to accept people will think I am. What makes me laugh is this almost apoplectic disbelief that someone might see things differently to you.. that leaves you even admitting you've been stewing all day before calming down enough to reply. I have no time for it. Isn't the term for that 'gammon' by the way? .. a totally non-racist term for a white man, red in the face, veins bulging in fury?? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 21, 2021 9:06:10 GMT 1
Ok I offered some constructive advice about your posting methods. You've turned into sexuality, and your sexuality. The thread was about otium, not you. What a load of disingenuous claptrap. I was responding to a post that was almost as homophobic as the post that was - and this can't be stressed enough - the last in a long line of posts that saw Otium banned, for repeatedly breaking the rules of the board."Constructive advice". Oh, please. I can form a coherent and considered argument - can you? (This ends here - I've no desire to bore people with petty squabbles - Mel, quit it.) LOL are you for real?? My god what a ridiculous thing to say. If any comment on here highlighted the absurdity of letting certain people decide what's offensive or not, then well done lad, I'll use that one.  |
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Post by sheesh on Jul 21, 2021 9:53:52 GMT 1
As an aside, I've seen a lot of people saying "everyone has voted".
No they haven't... because as it stands tapatalk users (my version at least) don't have access to voting.
We all know the rules. We all post in the knowledge of those rules, and if we don't like them other fora are available.
If I remember correctly another former forum member who had similar "strong views" decided to set up his own forum after being bumped... again, if I recall correctly, all the posts were essentially one man howling at the moon.
Rules should be applied equally and without favour, and entertaining as otium was at times he appeared to be given far more leeway than most would have.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 21, 2021 9:53:58 GMT 1
What a shame that you couldn't have the courtesy to read his post. You might have learned something. Maybe. What a shame he can't articulate himself like an adult, then id have given him the courtesy of reading it. The last few weeks has taught me that there are certain, regular posters and if you dare to stray in the slightest from their “paths” then you are at the very least wrong, no arguments, no but what if and that’s if you’re not IST or IC as well into the bargain. The irony to me is they are the ones that shout fairness and equality the loudest, any way having stuck my head above the parapet I’ll wait to get shot down. |
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Post by ldotm on Jul 21, 2021 10:09:00 GMT 1
I actually can't believe this topic has caused such a fuss...
I see the banning in two simple points and this goes for anyone, not just Oti
1) If you have been warned numerous times for crossing the line, then if you really don't want to get banned, don't continue to do it.
2) If it upsets you so much getting banned from a football forum full of strangers, you need to find more interesting hobbies and get out more, that may offend some folk on here but it's the truth.
Appreciate it's unfortunate timing with Oti's current health and everyone on here is rooting for him but he's a clever bloke (he never fails to remind us) and therefore he isn't naive to think this may occur if he expressed comments that may cross the line. Additionally, even with his illness he shares how exciting/interesting his life is, hence why I doubt it's going to have much of an impact being off the forum.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 21, 2021 10:43:53 GMT 1
From reading Otiums posts, he still has views common with older generations, I have no idea how old he is, but change takes time, and is generational, you wouldn't censor your granddad, so you shouldnt censor someone else's. Nonsense - I'm in my 70s and don't hold those views. I know plenty of people in their 60s, 70s and 80s who don't hold those views. Otium has previously stated that he is in his 50s! Its a generational thing, maybe your grandad was far more liberal and your in essence aligned with the youth of today. It takes its time to manifest in families, behaviour seen as deviant by your grandparents, can with right conditions become acceptable by our generation and normalised by the time it gets to your childrens generation, Studies suggest it takes four generations, some will be quicker, some will be slower, but there is no quick fix, sadly these things take many generations. Im not sure censorship is necessarily a positive thing, other than in a political sense. challenge and education would be more productive than censorship and stick in my opinion. As for Otium, If he had said that in the real world away from the keyboard, he wouldnt have even had a slap on the wrists, it would be deemed rightly or wrongly free speech. So a lifetime ban seems way in excess of the crime, You dont pick up 3 points, 6 points, 9 points then a life ban driving, or shoplift get caught, shop lift get caught, shop lift get life in prison. The sentance must fit the crime, if you get over 6 months then you go to Crown and have a jury trial, maybe the excessive bans need looking at and a max ban for genuine posters of 6 months. (you could say rest of season or 9 months at a push) then anything more serious which would be a one time offense will be pretty obviously a longer ban ranging from 1 to 5 years and decided by committee rather than kangaroo . Rather than totting up mild indiscretions and ending up with a life ban. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jul 21, 2021 10:51:50 GMT 1
Nonsense - I'm in my 70s and don't hold those views. I know plenty of people in their 60s, 70s and 80s who don't hold those views. Otium has previously stated that he is in his 50s! Its a generational thing, maybe your grandad was far more liberal and your in essence aligned with the youth of today. It takes its time to manifest in families, behaviour seen as deviant by your grandparents, can with right conditions become acceptable by our generation and normalised by the time it gets to your childrens generation, Studies suggest it takes four generations, some will be quicker, some will be slower, but there is no quick fix, sadly these things take many generations. Im not sure censorship is necessarily a positive thing, other than in a political sense. challenge and education would be more productive than censorship and stick in my opinion. As for Otium, If he had said that in the real world away from the keyboard, he wouldnt have even had a slap on the wrists, it would be deemed rightly or wrongly free speech. So a lifetime ban seems way in excess of the crime, You dont pick up 3 points, 6 points, 9 points then a life ban driving, or shoplift get caught, shop lift get caught, shop lift get life in prison. The sentance must fit the crime, if you get over 6 months then you go to Crown and have a jury trial, maybe the excessive bans need looking at and a max ban for genuine posters of 6 months. (you could say rest of season or 9 months at a push) then anything more serious which would be a one time offense will be pretty obviously a longer ban ranging from 1 to 5 years and decided by committee rather than kangaroo . Rather than totting up mild indiscretions and ending up with a life ban. "mild indiscretions". Ok. |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 21, 2021 11:10:06 GMT 1
Its a generational thing, maybe your grandad was far more liberal and your in essence aligned with the youth of today. It takes its time to manifest in families, behaviour seen as deviant by your grandparents, can with right conditions become acceptable by our generation and normalised by the time it gets to your childrens generation, Studies suggest it takes four generations, some will be quicker, some will be slower, but there is no quick fix, sadly these things take many generations. Im not sure censorship is necessarily a positive thing, other than in a political sense. challenge and education would be more productive than censorship and stick in my opinion. As for Otium, If he had said that in the real world away from the keyboard, he wouldnt have even had a slap on the wrists, it would be deemed rightly or wrongly free speech. So a lifetime ban seems way in excess of the crime, You dont pick up 3 points, 6 points, 9 points then a life ban driving, or shoplift get caught, shop lift get caught, shop lift get life in prison. The sentance must fit the crime, if you get over 6 months then you go to Crown and have a jury trial, maybe the excessive bans need looking at and a max ban for genuine posters of 6 months. (you could say rest of season or 9 months at a push) then anything more serious which would be a one time offense will be pretty obviously a longer ban ranging from 1 to 5 years and decided by committee rather than kangaroo . Rather than totting up mild indiscretions and ending up with a life ban. "mild indiscretions". Ok. What was Nick banned for life for? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 11:14:20 GMT 1
"mild indiscretions". Ok. What was Nick banned for life for? Not using spellchecker 🤭🤭 |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 21, 2021 11:17:38 GMT 1
What was Nick banned for life for? Not using spellchecker 🤭🤭 Well he should have been hung, drawn and quartered at first dawn for that..... life isn't enough is it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 11:24:07 GMT 1
Not using spellchecker 🤭🤭 Well he should have been hung, drawn and quartered at first dawn for that..... life isn't enough is it. Tbh he was bang annoying and did stuff on purpose to wind certain posters up. Did it warrant a life ban? No. Did it warrant any ban? No. He's just fairly immature, some had a proper serious issue with him. Learn to ignore or you'll be pulling up the smallest things in life, which makes your life shite |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 21, 2021 11:28:58 GMT 1
Well he should have been hung, drawn and quartered at first dawn for that..... life isn't enough is it. Tbh he was bang annoying and did stuff on purpose to wind certain posters up. Did it warrant a life ban? No. Did it warrant any ban? No. He's just fairly immature, some had a proper serious issue with him. Learn to ignore or you'll be pulling up the smallest things in life, which makes your life shite He didnt annoy me one bit, i just didnt read what he wrote very often. He was obviously an avid town fan and committed his life to the club, seems ashame when a forum is purged of the characters for the benefit of snowflakes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 11:29:25 GMT 1
Tbh he was bang annoying and did stuff on purpose to wind certain posters up. Did it warrant a life ban? No. Did it warrant any ban? No. He's just fairly immature, some had a proper serious issue with him. Learn to ignore or you'll be pulling up the smallest things in life, which makes your life shite He didnt annoy me one bit, i just didnt read what he wrote very often. He was obviously an avid town fan and committed his life to the club, seems ashame when a forum is purged of the characters for the benefit of snowflakes. I'm not on about you. I'm on about those that banned him |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 21, 2021 11:31:57 GMT 1
He didnt annoy me one bit, i just didnt read what he wrote very often. He was obviously an avid town fan and committed his life to the club, seems ashame when a forum is purged of the characters for the benefit of snowflakes. I'm not on about you. I'm on about those that banned him Yeah i know, Its becoming very sterile on here. Anyone with an opinion soon gets shot down. |
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Post by captainblack on Jul 21, 2021 11:32:52 GMT 1
I don't get it,how come the most popular thread on the forum is about someone that's banned,it's not been the same since Nick and Moaner were kicked too,all three of them good lads I had not realised "Moaner" had been banned, some of his whinging was really amusing, Its always sad in my opinion that life long Town fans are banned from the Huddersfield Town forum . |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 21, 2021 11:39:29 GMT 1
I don't get it,how come the most popular thread on the forum is about someone that's banned,it's not been the same since Nick and Moaner were kicked too,all three of them good lads I had not realised "Moaner" had been banned, some of his whinging was really amusing, Its always sad in my opinion that life long Town fans are banned from the Huddersfield Town forum . A vote for me is a VOTE FOR CHANGE. downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/115990/townrwe-given-trial-admin-period |
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Post by 4 pts on Jul 21, 2021 11:49:29 GMT 1
Nonsense - I'm in my 70s and don't hold those views. I know plenty of people in their 60s, 70s and 80s who don't hold those views. Otium has previously stated that he is in his 50s! Its a generational thing, maybe your grandad was far more liberal and your in essence aligned with the youth of today. It takes its time to manifest in families, behaviour seen as deviant by your grandparents, can with right conditions become acceptable by our generation and normalised by the time it gets to your childrens generation, Studies suggest it takes four generations, some will be quicker, some will be slower, but there is no quick fix, sadly these things take many generations. Im not sure censorship is necessarily a positive thing, other than in a political sense. challenge and education would be more productive than censorship and stick in my opinion. As for Otium, If he had said that in the real world away from the keyboard, he wouldnt have even had a slap on the wrists, it would be deemed rightly or wrongly free speech. So a lifetime ban seems way in excess of the crime, You dont pick up 3 points, 6 points, 9 points then a life ban driving, or shoplift get caught, shop lift get caught, shop lift get life in prison. The sentance must fit the crime, if you get over 6 months then you go to Crown and have a jury trial, maybe the excessive bans need looking at and a max ban for genuine posters of 6 months. (you could say rest of season or 9 months at a push) then anything more serious which would be a one time offense will be pretty obviously a longer ban ranging from 1 to 5 years and decided by committee rather than kangaroo . Rather than totting up mild indiscretions and ending up with a life ban. Or You attend school but you act up, mess about and get a detention. Rinse and repeat and you continue to get detentions, until eventually this has no effect so you are suspended. Rinse and repeat leads to another suspension. Rinse and repeat, the head teacher gets involved with the board of governors and you are finally expelled. For an intelligent bloke, Oti acted like a defiant kid. |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 21, 2021 12:04:01 GMT 1
Its a generational thing, maybe your grandad was far more liberal and your in essence aligned with the youth of today. It takes its time to manifest in families, behaviour seen as deviant by your grandparents, can with right conditions become acceptable by our generation and normalised by the time it gets to your childrens generation, Studies suggest it takes four generations, some will be quicker, some will be slower, but there is no quick fix, sadly these things take many generations. Im not sure censorship is necessarily a positive thing, other than in a political sense. challenge and education would be more productive than censorship and stick in my opinion. As for Otium, If he had said that in the real world away from the keyboard, he wouldnt have even had a slap on the wrists, it would be deemed rightly or wrongly free speech. So a lifetime ban seems way in excess of the crime, You dont pick up 3 points, 6 points, 9 points then a life ban driving, or shoplift get caught, shop lift get caught, shop lift get life in prison. The sentance must fit the crime, if you get over 6 months then you go to Crown and have a jury trial, maybe the excessive bans need looking at and a max ban for genuine posters of 6 months. (you could say rest of season or 9 months at a push) then anything more serious which would be a one time offense will be pretty obviously a longer ban ranging from 1 to 5 years and decided by committee rather than kangaroo . Rather than totting up mild indiscretions and ending up with a life ban. Or You attend school but you act up, mess about and get a detention. Rinse and repeat and you continue to get detentions, until eventually this has no effect so you are suspended. Rinse and repeat leads to another suspension. Rinse and repeat, the head teacher gets involved with the board of governors and you are finally expelled. For an intelligent bloke, Oti acted like a defiant kid. Barely any kids get expelled for consistent low level bad behaviour these days, they may get a managed transfer to a different school, offered a place at an alternative provision etc. Expulsion is only used for very serious breaches that put staff or pupils are immediate risk an example would be bringing in a knife with the intention to use it. But yes i get your point that actions deserve consequence. They dont get put down when they are expelled, they still get another chance. |
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Post by digs on Jul 21, 2021 12:35:31 GMT 1
I'm not on about you. I'm on about those that banned him Yeah i know, Its becoming very sterile on here. Anyone with an opinion soon gets shot down. be careful with that post I can feel a complaint coming on, some might think your talking about the RAF from England shooting German bombers down |
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Post by 4 pts on Jul 21, 2021 12:40:11 GMT 1
Or You attend school but you act up, mess about and get a detention. Rinse and repeat and you continue to get detentions, until eventually this has no effect so you are suspended. Rinse and repeat leads to another suspension. Rinse and repeat, the head teacher gets involved with the board of governors and you are finally expelled. For an intelligent bloke, Oti acted like a defiant kid. Barely any kids get expelled for consistent low level bad behaviour these days, they may get a managed transfer to a different school, offered a place at an alternative provision etc. Expulsion is only used for very serious breaches that put staff or pupils are immediate risk an example would be bringing in a knife with the intention to use it. But yes i get your point that actions deserve consequence. They dont get put down when they are expelled, they still get another chance. But not at the same school/forum |
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