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Post by townrwe on Jul 21, 2021 12:41:06 GMT 1
Yeah i know, Its becoming very sterile on here. Anyone with an opinion soon gets shot down. be careful with that post I can feel a complaint coming on, some might think your talking about the RAF from England shooting German bombers down Or been abusive to people that cant have kids, could be a yellow card either way, Probably 2 and a Red. |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 21, 2021 12:43:26 GMT 1
Barely any kids get expelled for consistent low level bad behaviour these days, they may get a managed transfer to a different school, offered a place at an alternative provision etc. Expulsion is only used for very serious breaches that put staff or pupils are immediate risk an example would be bringing in a knife with the intention to use it. But yes i get your point that actions deserve consequence. They dont get put down when they are expelled, they still get another chance. But not at the same school/forum If you went nuts on day one and got expelled, its still only really a max 5 year ban. That was the limit of my maximum bannage with the new level of offences I proposed. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jul 21, 2021 12:48:02 GMT 1
Or You attend school but you act up, mess about and get a detention. Rinse and repeat and you continue to get detentions, until eventually this has no effect so you are suspended. Rinse and repeat leads to another suspension. Rinse and repeat, the head teacher gets involved with the board of governors and you are finally expelled. For an intelligent bloke, Oti acted like a defiant kid. Barely any kids get expelled for consistent low level bad behaviour these days, they may get a managed transfer to a different school, offered a place at an alternative provision etc. Expulsion is only used for very serious breaches that put staff or pupils are immediate risk an example would be bringing in a knife with the intention to use it. But yes i get your point that actions deserve consequence. They dont get put down when they are expelled, they still get another chance. So, just to be clear, you're dismissing persistent racism and homophobia as "low level bad behaviour"? |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 21, 2021 13:00:08 GMT 1
Barely any kids get expelled for consistent low level bad behaviour these days, they may get a managed transfer to a different school, offered a place at an alternative provision etc. Expulsion is only used for very serious breaches that put staff or pupils are immediate risk an example would be bringing in a knife with the intention to use it. But yes i get your point that actions deserve consequence. They dont get put down when they are expelled, they still get another chance. So, just to be clear, you're dismissing persistent racism and homophobia as "low level bad behaviour"? No... I ask you again why Nick was banned for life? I dont agree that a life ban is proportionate in otiums case, as if the comments made were homophobic or racist then they would be straight onto the season to 5 year ban. You adjudicated that this wasnt the case and that they were minor in nature resulting in yellow cards and therefor the maximum ban i would see fit would be 6 months/a season/rest of season. Its not been fully worked through yet, but I do look forward to chewing the fat with you over the way the system works later today after my inauguration. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 21, 2021 13:18:35 GMT 1
So, just to be clear, you're dismissing persistent racism and homophobia as "low level bad behaviour"? No... I ask you again why Nick was banned for life? I dont agree that a life ban is proportionate in otiums case, as if the comments made were homophobic or racist then they would be straight onto the season to 5 year ban. You adjudicated that this wasnt the case and that they were minor in nature resulting in yellow cards and therefor the maximum ban i would see fit would be 6 months/a season/rest of season. Its not been fully worked through yet, but I do look forward to chewing the fat with you over the way the system works later today after my inauguration. As you’ve done there, you have to become very adept with certain posters on here, you make a point or statement, for the sake of highlighting the point, something trivial such as, “My favourite colour is blue.” but the response is they spin it, twist it or alter it to suit their argument and make yours appear weak, “So you admit that green is your favourite colour, what a ridiculous claim.” etc etc |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 21, 2021 16:17:17 GMT 1
be careful with that post I can feel a complaint coming on, some might think your talking about the RAF from England shooting German bombers down Or been abusive to people that cant have kids, could be a yellow card either way, Probably 2 and a Red. Like those in the offence police who ridiculed otium as a 'Jaffa' because he hadn't had any kids you mean? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 21, 2021 16:27:12 GMT 1
Barely any kids get expelled for consistent low level bad behaviour these days, they may get a managed transfer to a different school, offered a place at an alternative provision etc. Expulsion is only used for very serious breaches that put staff or pupils are immediate risk an example would be bringing in a knife with the intention to use it. But yes i get your point that actions deserve consequence. They dont get put down when they are expelled, they still get another chance. So, just to be clear, you're dismissing persistent racism and homophobia as "low level bad behaviour"? why not? ,, youre inflating persistent comments about a religion into racism. And an extremely widespread and accepted view of homosexuality, including that same religion you love to promote as a huge cultural benefit to the country, to some kind of suicide provoking homophobic hate crime. Are only your exaggerations acceptable in the rule books as you set them Grim? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 21, 2021 16:28:38 GMT 1
I don't get it,how come the most popular thread on the forum is about someone that's banned,it's not been the same since Nick and Moaner were kicked too,all three of them good lads I had not realised "Moaner" had been banned, some of his whinging was really amusing, Its always sad in my opinion that life long Town fans are banned from the Huddersfield Town forum . I didn't either. he was a right miserable negative sod, but he can't have been banned for that surely? |
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Post by Champers on Jul 21, 2021 16:34:29 GMT 1
I had not realised "Moaner" had been banned, some of his whinging was really amusing, Its always sad in my opinion that life long Town fans are banned from the Huddersfield Town forum . I didn't either. he was a right miserable negative sod, but he can't have been banned for that surely? Well Art's still here so it can't have only been that 🤪 |
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Post by Champers on Jul 21, 2021 16:36:02 GMT 1
Think it was moaner's son who was the real pest. Came back about 20 times and every time outed himself by having a serious pop at a particular poster (I'm thinking Epsom but I might be wrong)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 20:12:16 GMT 1
What a pathetic, cowardly response. "tantruming"? Nah, just dismantling your pathetic drivel point-by-point. Either own your posts or defend them, but dismissing a reasoned and considered response to your post because "you lost interest" shows you up for the absolute fraud that you are. Pitiful. You can think that if you like. I just struggle to bother with replies which are just going to be a condescending tantrum full of abuse, which going by the first line or two, it was clearly going to be. You can think Im wrong all you like. I dont think I am but Im happy to accept people will think I am. What makes me laugh is this almost apoplectic disbelief that someone might see things differently to you.. that leaves you even admitting you've been stewing all day before calming down enough to reply. I have no time for it. Isn't the term for that 'gammon' by the way? .. a totally non-racist term for a white man, red in the face, veins bulging in fury?? Did you get dropped on your head as a baby? Struggling to work out how a grown adult could not only fail to understand something so simple as the difference between discriminating against a section of society, and individuals - or to use your terminology, "weak and pathetic" individuals - being personally offended; and then on having had the difference explained to you, to carry on trying to double-down. The Monty Python's Black Knight analogy that another poster attributed to you was pretty apt - but I'm not sure you have enough self-awareness to see it. It's not about "seeing things differently" to me. Again, you're being deliberately obtuse, and missing the point in spectacular fashion. But you do you. Oh and by the way, I wasn't "stewing on it", I was just giving myself a short time for reflection, to give myself some time to come up with a coherent and considered argument, and not to go with my initial and visceral instinct - which was to use some bad words. But I'm better than that; and your "arguments", such as they are, are so easy to dismantle that I don't need to use cuss words. |
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Post by King Curtis on Jul 21, 2021 20:34:00 GMT 1
You can think that if you like. I just struggle to bother with replies which are just going to be a condescending tantrum full of abuse, which going by the first line or two, it was clearly going to be. You can think Im wrong all you like. I dont think I am but Im happy to accept people will think I am. What makes me laugh is this almost apoplectic disbelief that someone might see things differently to you.. that leaves you even admitting you've been stewing all day before calming down enough to reply. I have no time for it. Isn't the term for that 'gammon' by the way? .. a totally non-racist term for a white man, red in the face, veins bulging in fury?? Struggling to work out how a grown adult could not only fail to understand something so simple as the difference between discriminating against a section of society, and individuals - or to use your terminology, "weak and pathetic" individuals - being personally offended; and then on having had the difference explained to you, to carry on trying to double-down. The Monty Python's Black Knight analogy that another poster attributed to you was pretty apt - but I'm not sure you have enough self-awareness to see it. It's not about "seeing things differently" to me. Again, you're being deliberately obtuse, and missing the point in spectacular fashion. But you do you. Oh and by the way, I wasn't "stewing on it", I was just giving myself a short time for reflection, to give myself some time to come up with a coherent and considered argument, and not to go with my initial and visceral instinct - which was to use some bad words. But I'm better than that; and your "arguments", such as they are, are so easy to dismantle that I don't need to use cuss words. Disgusting comment. Did you not consider what effect that phrase could have on all the posters who suffered abuse as a child? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 20:59:45 GMT 1
Did you get dropped on your head as a baby?Struggling to work out how a grown adult could not only fail to understand something so simple as the difference between discriminating against a section of society, and individuals - or to use your terminology, "weak and pathetic" individuals - being personally offended; and then on having had the difference explained to you, to carry on trying to double-down. The Monty Python's Black Knight analogy that another poster attributed to you was pretty apt - but I'm not sure you have enough self-awareness to see it. It's not about "seeing things differently" to me. Again, you're being deliberately obtuse, and missing the point in spectacular fashion. But you do you. Oh and by the way, I wasn't "stewing on it", I was just giving myself a short time for reflection, to give myself some time to come up with a coherent and considered argument, and not to go with my initial and visceral instinct - which was to use some bad words. But I'm better than that; and your "arguments", such as they are, are so easy to dismantle that I don't need to use cuss words. Disgusting comment. Did you not consider what effect that phrase could have on all the posters who suffered abuse as a child? I'm not even sure I should dignify this with a response. If you want to make that mental leap from what I said to the complex and harrowing subject of child abuse, you go right ahead - but no right-thinking person would take that from what I wrote. If you're trying to attack what I wrote based on some weird conclusion you reached via some slightly deranged mental gymnastics, then that's on you - deep down I'm sure you know fine well that you're just being obtuse, and as an attempted attack on me - well, it's just not something anyone's going to take seriously. If you're going to try to challenge me, this ain't the way. |
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Post by King Curtis on Jul 21, 2021 21:06:45 GMT 1
Disgusting comment. Did you not consider what effect that phrase could have on all the posters who suffered abuse as a child? I'm not even sure I should dignify this with a response. If you want to make that mental leap from what I said to the complex and harrowing subject of child abuse, you go right ahead - but no right-thinking person would take that from what I wrote. If you're trying to attack what I wrote based on some weird conclusion you reached via some slightly deranged mental gymnastics, then that's on you - deep down I'm sure you know fine well that you're just being obtuse, and as an attempted attack on me - well, it's just not something anyone's going to take seriously. If you're going to try to challenge me, this ain't the way. How disappointing. One rule for us... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 21:09:28 GMT 1
I'm not even sure I should dignify this with a response. If you want to make that mental leap from what I said to the complex and harrowing subject of child abuse, you go right ahead - but no right-thinking person would take that from what I wrote. If you're trying to attack what I wrote based on some weird conclusion you reached via some slightly deranged mental gymnastics, then that's on you - deep down I'm sure you know fine well that you're just being obtuse, and as an attempted attack on me - well, it's just not something anyone's going to take seriously. If you're going to try to challenge me, this ain't the way. How disappointing. One rule for us... What does that even mean? |
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Post by King Curtis on Jul 21, 2021 21:14:53 GMT 1
How disappointing. One rule for us... What does that even mean? You can post things that are deeply insensitive/offensive. Others get lifetime bans. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 21, 2021 21:15:57 GMT 1
How disappointing. One rule for us... What does that even mean? Don’t be silly hukkas. You’ve been pulled and won’t accept it. Is it only liberals that can pull folk up now? Just like folk calling others racists then using the term gammon. You can’t have it both ways |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 21:30:17 GMT 1
What does that even mean? Don’t be silly hukkas. You’ve been pulled and won’t accept it. Is it only liberals that can pull folk up now? Just like folk calling others racists then using the term gammon. You can’t have it both ways If you were running for a bus, and your mobile phone fell out of your pocket. You've have dropped it, right? |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 21, 2021 21:43:01 GMT 1
A vote for TOWNRWE is a vote for change In moderation. Think on folks.
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Post by BlueValour on Jul 22, 2021 0:56:07 GMT 1
Nonsense - I'm in my 70s and don't hold those views. I know plenty of people in their 60s, 70s and 80s who don't hold those views. Otium has previously stated that he is in his 50s! Its a generational thing, maybe your grandad was far more liberal and your in essence aligned with the youth of today. It takes its time to manifest in families, behaviour seen as deviant by your grandparents, can with right conditions become acceptable by our generation and normalised by the time it gets to your childrens generation, Studies suggest it takes four generations, some will be quicker, some will be slower, but there is no quick fix, sadly these things take many generations. Im not sure censorship is necessarily a positive thing, other than in a political sense. challenge and education would be more productive than censorship and stick in my opinion. As for Otium, If he had said that in the real world away from the keyboard, he wouldnt have even had a slap on the wrists, it would be deemed rightly or wrongly free speech. So a lifetime ban seems way in excess of the crime, You dont pick up 3 points, 6 points, 9 points then a life ban driving, or shoplift get caught, shop lift get caught, shop lift get life in prison. The sentance must fit the crime, if you get over 6 months then you go to Crown and have a jury trial, maybe the excessive bans need looking at and a max ban for genuine posters of 6 months. (you could say rest of season or 9 months at a push) then anything more serious which would be a one time offense will be pretty obviously a longer ban ranging from 1 to 5 years and decided by committee rather than kangaroo . Rather than totting up mild indiscretions and ending up with a life ban. No; it is not a generational thing. It is principally an upbringing thing and partly an educational thing. If parents bring their children up to be tolerant and understanding of differences, and explain those differences, then there is every chance that their children will be tolerant and understanding. This does, though, also need to be reinforced at school and at clubs and societies that the children attend. There is also a judgement issue here. I happen to hold quite controversial views on several issues but you will never know them because I don't air them here, since they are not in anyway related to football. Broadcasting views that you know are going to upset many people, that are unrelated to the subject of this forum, shows either very bad judgement or a wish to troll. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 22, 2021 6:48:01 GMT 1
I had not realised "Moaner" had been banned, some of his whinging was really amusing, Its always sad in my opinion that life long Town fans are banned from the Huddersfield Town forum . I didn't either. he was a right miserable negative sod, but he can't have been banned for that surely? I think it was more to do with the tirade of abuse he regularly offered up to anyone who dared to offer a different opinion to his own. Neither he nor Nick are missed for me. |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 22, 2021 7:46:32 GMT 1
Its a generational thing, maybe your grandad was far more liberal and your in essence aligned with the youth of today. It takes its time to manifest in families, behaviour seen as deviant by your grandparents, can with right conditions become acceptable by our generation and normalised by the time it gets to your childrens generation, Studies suggest it takes four generations, some will be quicker, some will be slower, but there is no quick fix, sadly these things take many generations. Im not sure censorship is necessarily a positive thing, other than in a political sense. challenge and education would be more productive than censorship and stick in my opinion. As for Otium, If he had said that in the real world away from the keyboard, he wouldnt have even had a slap on the wrists, it would be deemed rightly or wrongly free speech. So a lifetime ban seems way in excess of the crime, You dont pick up 3 points, 6 points, 9 points then a life ban driving, or shoplift get caught, shop lift get caught, shop lift get life in prison. The sentance must fit the crime, if you get over 6 months then you go to Crown and have a jury trial, maybe the excessive bans need looking at and a max ban for genuine posters of 6 months. (you could say rest of season or 9 months at a push) then anything more serious which would be a one time offense will be pretty obviously a longer ban ranging from 1 to 5 years and decided by committee rather than kangaroo . Rather than totting up mild indiscretions and ending up with a life ban. No; it is not a generational thing. It is principally an upbringing thing and partly an educational thing. If parents bring their children up to be tolerant and understanding of differences, and explain those differences, then there is every chance that their children will be tolerant and understanding. This does, though, also need to be reinforced at school and at clubs and societies that the children attend. There is also a judgement issue here. I happen to hold quite controversial views on several issues but you will never know them because I don't air them here, since they are not in anyway related to football. Broadcasting views that you know are going to upset many people, that are unrelated to the subject of this forum, shows either very bad judgement or a wish to troll. It's not a generational thing but parents are responsible? Not sure how that works? |
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Post by benhomly on Jul 22, 2021 8:01:13 GMT 1
This thread has got to be near the top 5 ever on here by now surely? In and among the usual fighting and trading of insults there's some real comedy. Townrwe has gone up in my estimations with his contributions (mind you it was a low bar to start with  ) |
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Post by digs on Jul 22, 2021 8:26:57 GMT 1
I had not realised "Moaner" had been banned, some of his whinging was really amusing, Its always sad in my opinion that life long Town fans are banned from the Huddersfield Town forum . I didn't either. he was a right miserable negative sod, but he can't have been banned for that surely? Surely his name gives people a clue he was a character,would you expect Mr Bump not to bump into things? |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 22, 2021 8:32:48 GMT 1
This thread has got to be near the top 5 ever on here by now surely? In and among the usual fighting and trading of insults there's some real comedy. Townrwe has gone up in my estimations with his contributions (mind you it was a low bar to start with ) Can I put you down as my 20th seconder..... or is that a step too far. |
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Post by benhomly on Jul 22, 2021 8:37:21 GMT 1
This thread has got to be near the top 5 ever on here by now surely? In and among the usual fighting and trading of insults there's some real comedy. Townrwe has gone up in my estimations with his contributions (mind you it was a low bar to start with ) Can I put you down as my 20th seconder..... or is that a step too far. Of course you can, the power of the people will win through in the end |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 22, 2021 8:54:41 GMT 1
Its a generational thing, maybe your grandad was far more liberal and your in essence aligned with the youth of today. It takes its time to manifest in families, behaviour seen as deviant by your grandparents, can with right conditions become acceptable by our generation and normalised by the time it gets to your childrens generation, Studies suggest it takes four generations, some will be quicker, some will be slower, but there is no quick fix, sadly these things take many generations. Im not sure censorship is necessarily a positive thing, other than in a political sense. challenge and education would be more productive than censorship and stick in my opinion. As for Otium, If he had said that in the real world away from the keyboard, he wouldnt have even had a slap on the wrists, it would be deemed rightly or wrongly free speech. So a lifetime ban seems way in excess of the crime, You dont pick up 3 points, 6 points, 9 points then a life ban driving, or shoplift get caught, shop lift get caught, shop lift get life in prison. The sentance must fit the crime, if you get over 6 months then you go to Crown and have a jury trial, maybe the excessive bans need looking at and a max ban for genuine posters of 6 months. (you could say rest of season or 9 months at a push) then anything more serious which would be a one time offense will be pretty obviously a longer ban ranging from 1 to 5 years and decided by committee rather than kangaroo . Rather than totting up mild indiscretions and ending up with a life ban. No; it is not a generational thing. It is principally an upbringing thing and partly an educational thing. If parents bring their children up to be tolerant and understanding of differences, and explain those differences, then there is every chance that their children will be tolerant and understanding. This does, though, also need to be reinforced at school and at clubs and societies that the children attend. There is also a judgement issue here. I happen to hold quite controversial views on several issues but you will never know them because I don't air them here, since they are not in anyway related to football. Broadcasting views that you know are going to upset many people, that are unrelated to the subject of this forum, shows either very bad judgement or a wish to troll. On the generational thing, and as you sort of allude to, when you get those that bemoan the younger or older generation, they need to realise that the older generation brought up, taught and guided the prior one. If you're moaning about the younger generation- well you brought em up! If you're moaning about the older generation- well they brought you up in a fashion that enabled you to think and act as you do. It's also one hell of a broadbrush. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 10:08:01 GMT 1
No; it is not a generational thing. It is principally an upbringing thing and partly an educational thing. If parents bring their children up to be tolerant and understanding of differences, and explain those differences, then there is every chance that their children will be tolerant and understanding. This does, though, also need to be reinforced at school and at clubs and societies that the children attend. There is also a judgement issue here. I happen to hold quite controversial views on several issues but you will never know them because I don't air them here, since they are not in anyway related to football. Broadcasting views that you know are going to upset many people, that are unrelated to the subject of this forum, shows either very bad judgement or a wish to troll. It's not a generational thing but parents are responsible? Not sure how that works? Each individual is responsible between childhood & senility. |
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 22, 2021 10:35:25 GMT 1
How disappointing. One rule for us... What does that even mean? When the hole you've dug is large enough, stop digging. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 22, 2021 10:57:54 GMT 1
Its a generational thing, maybe your grandad was far more liberal and your in essence aligned with the youth of today. It takes its time to manifest in families, behaviour seen as deviant by your grandparents, can with right conditions become acceptable by our generation and normalised by the time it gets to your childrens generation, Studies suggest it takes four generations, some will be quicker, some will be slower, but there is no quick fix, sadly these things take many generations. Im not sure censorship is necessarily a positive thing, other than in a political sense. challenge and education would be more productive than censorship and stick in my opinion. As for Otium, If he had said that in the real world away from the keyboard, he wouldnt have even had a slap on the wrists, it would be deemed rightly or wrongly free speech. So a lifetime ban seems way in excess of the crime, You dont pick up 3 points, 6 points, 9 points then a life ban driving, or shoplift get caught, shop lift get caught, shop lift get life in prison. The sentance must fit the crime, if you get over 6 months then you go to Crown and have a jury trial, maybe the excessive bans need looking at and a max ban for genuine posters of 6 months. (you could say rest of season or 9 months at a push) then anything more serious which would be a one time offense will be pretty obviously a longer ban ranging from 1 to 5 years and decided by committee rather than kangaroo . Rather than totting up mild indiscretions and ending up with a life ban. No; it is not a generational thing. It is principally an upbringing thing and partly an educational thing. If parents bring their children up to be tolerant and understanding of differences, and explain those differences, then there is every chance that their children will be tolerant and understanding. This does, though, also need to be reinforced at school and at clubs and societies that the children attend. There is also a judgement issue here. I happen to hold quite controversial views on several issues but you will never know them because I don't air them here, since they are not in anyway related to football. Broadcasting views that you know are going to upset many people, that are unrelated to the subject of this forum, shows either very bad judgement or a wish to troll. The controversial issues in question were broadcast in the Politics section of Offtopic, where anything football related is rarely discussed. The vast majority of people wouldn't have been aware of what Oti wrote had he not been banned. |
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