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Post by Lard Buttie on Jul 18, 2021 14:55:03 GMT 1
Here's a rule. The most petty and targeted rule going in fairness. God help those that turn off spellchecker and have dyslexia. Writing on a forum is now an essay, otherwise you'll be yellow carded. Pathetic really This also includes consistent poor spelling - The users of this forum have expressed their preference for posts to be written in 'clean' English - there are no excuses for badly spelled posts, as all forum users have spell checkers at their disposal, even on mobile devices. Certain slang / nicknames / acronyms are acceptable in the context of a post. Blatant misuse of the English language will not be accepted however. One of the most bizarre rules on an internet talk board. That last sentence??? Odd to say the least. Blatant use? How about if the person's grasp of grammar isn't too good? Language-ist? |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 14:57:06 GMT 1
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Post by Champers on Jul 18, 2021 15:12:30 GMT 1
Here's a rule. The most petty and targeted rule going in fairness. God help those that turn off spellchecker and have dyslexia. Writing on a forum is now an essay, otherwise you'll be yellow carded. Pathetic really This also includes consistent poor spelling - The users of this forum have expressed their preference for posts to be written in 'clean' English - there are no excuses for badly spelled posts, as all forum users have spell checkers at their disposal, even on mobile devices. Certain slang / nicknames / acronyms are acceptable in the context of a post. Blatant misuse of the English language will not be accepted however. You keep banging on about this but the key is the last line, particularly "blatant misuse". Nobody is getting banned for dropping the odd typo into their posts and that is proven on a daily basis. Try this: go and have a look at the action log and see how many people have been yellow carded for spelling "offences", and then ask yourself if you really need to keep beating this particular drum. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 15:36:19 GMT 1
Here's a rule. The most petty and targeted rule going in fairness. God help those that turn off spellchecker and have dyslexia. Writing on a forum is now an essay, otherwise you'll be yellow carded. Pathetic really This also includes consistent poor spelling - The users of this forum have expressed their preference for posts to be written in 'clean' English - there are no excuses for badly spelled posts, as all forum users have spell checkers at their disposal, even on mobile devices. Certain slang / nicknames / acronyms are acceptable in the context of a post. Blatant misuse of the English language will not be accepted however. You keep banging on about this but the key is the last line, particularly "blatant misuse". Nobody is getting banned for dropping the odd typo into their posts and that is proven on a daily basis. Try this: go and have a look at the action log and see how many people have been yellow carded for spelling "offences", and then ask yourself if you really need to keep beating this particular drum. In fairness to halifax, that rule does appear to empower the spelling & grammar police on here who accost many of us. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 15:37:35 GMT 1
Oh gawd, now we've got onto the "the admins are anti-dyslexic" angle.
Nobody, to the best of my knowledge - the admins can confirm - has ever been warned, let alone banned, for the odd spelling or grammatical mistake. If people got banned for spelling mistakes, there'd only be half a dozen posters left. I wouldn't be one of them.
The rule - whether or not I agree with it personally is immaterial - is about people who continually and deliberately misspell words to try to be "whacky" or to try to annoy people. Although I'd take Nick back on here in a heartbeat - at least he was never discriminatory, as far as I know - that's what he did. A lot. A man far smarter than his online persona, who kept doing it despite admins having a quiet word with him about it on several occasions.
But again I ask the question - why nit-pick and / or contest the rules now, of all times? They've been there for ages, and the vast majority of posters adhere to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 15:40:46 GMT 1
Devil's advocate here, for a minute. The current rules have been pinned to the top of the board since May, and I don't think they were changed much - it uses the word "simplified". Happy to be corrected, but it doesn't sound like they were completely rewritten. So if people had an issue with them, why not come forward before now? I seem to remember a democratic discussion about them in the past, and I don't remember any strong arguments about the yellow card system. Why do this poll now? Why complain about them now? Lots of people have been opposed to some of the rules on many occasions, they are destroying the forum. Been discussed a few times before. Then put forward your own ideas, in a public forum, and we'll discuss them. Because it seems like all you're doing at the moment is trying to justify vile homophobic slurs "because Muslims do it". |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 15:47:07 GMT 1
Lots of people have been opposed to some of the rules on many occasions, they are destroying the forum. Been discussed a few times before. Then put forward your own ideas, in a public forum, and we'll discuss them. Because it seems like all you're doing at the moment is trying to justify vile homophobic slurs "because Muslims do it". I've already stated I'd be happy to be admin mate. The fact you think ALL im doing at the moment is trying to justify homophobia because it's wrtiten into Islam demonstrates where you are basing your viewpoint from. |
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Post by dugnet on Jul 18, 2021 15:51:22 GMT 1
Oh come on it's a football message board not a autocratic community. I've posted over 4000 times and never had any cause for admins to bring me to account. All those arguing for change and criticising the administration seem to have an axe to grind. By all means have the debate about change but let's keep things in proportion. Many people post with respect, even if they don't agree with the views of others. That is how it should be. You seem to be reacting strongly to my last post, which wasn't meant to be controversial. I don't see why offering an opinion is arguing, having an axe to grind or even criticising. I'm not trying to do any of those things, I merely sought to facilitate a solution to the developing matter that I haven't even engaged with in the threads. Just trying to put some perspective, nothing more. I used the word arguing in its widest sense. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2021 15:51:32 GMT 1
You keep banging on about this but the key is the last line, particularly "blatant misuse". Nobody is getting banned for dropping the odd typo into their posts and that is proven on a daily basis. Try this: go and have a look at the action log and see how many people have been yellow carded for spelling "offences", and then ask yourself if you really need to keep beating this particular drum. In fairness to halifax, that rule does appear to empower the spelling & grammar police on here who accost many of us. How many bans have you had for spelling and grammar ? How many bans , yellow cards etc have you seen for spelling and grammar ? Ffs Steve |
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 18, 2021 15:51:54 GMT 1
I've already stated I'd be happy to be admin mate. But wasn't that only if all the existing admins stood down? Or did I misunderstand? |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 15:54:44 GMT 1
I've already stated I'd be happy to be admin mate. But wasn't that only if all the existing admins stood down? Or did I misunderstand? No, you didn't misunderstand. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 15:57:35 GMT 1
Then put forward your own ideas, in a public forum, and we'll discuss them. Because it seems like all you're doing at the moment is trying to justify vile homophobic slurs "because Muslims do it". I've already stated I'd be happy to be admin mate. The fact you think ALL im doing at the moment is trying to justify homophobia because it's wrtiten into Islam demonstrates where you are basing your viewpoint from. I'm just basing that on these threads. If I'm misrepresenting you - please elaborate. Because constantly trying to frame homophobia as being a product of Islam - particularly in the context of a poster being banned who's on record as despising it - is muddying the waters somewhat. Almost sounds like you're trying to excuse it - because something something, Muslims. Sounds like you're deflecting. By all means, prove me wrong. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 16:09:02 GMT 1
I've already stated I'd be happy to be admin mate. The fact you think ALL im doing at the moment is trying to justify homophobia because it's wrtiten into Islam demonstrates where you are basing your viewpoint from. I'm just basing that on these threads. If I'm misrepresenting you - please elaborate. Because constantly trying to frame homophobia as being a product of Islam - particularly in the context of a poster being banned who's on record as despising it - is muddying the waters somewhat. Almost sounds like you're trying to excuse it - because something something, Muslims. Sounds like you're deflecting. By all means, prove me wrong. You only come on here to have an argument with someone don't you mate. Can you show me where I've tried to explicity excuse homophobia? I've condemned Islam for supporting it - they stone people to death you know in some parts of the world. Now, are you attempting to imply that I'm excusing homophobia because I've expressed a clear grievance with the warning sytem on the forum, because if you are, you better offer me some proof that that's the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 16:09:51 GMT 1
In fairness to halifax, that rule does appear to empower the spelling & grammar police on here who accost many of us. How many bans have you had for spelling and grammar ? How many bans , yellow cards etc have you seen for spelling and grammar ? Ffs Steve Where did I say I had had any yellows or bans for such? I was referring to the unofficial adjudication on here that has been described by others as the 'police'! |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 18, 2021 16:13:25 GMT 1
The poll says: “Should the forum rules be reconsidered?”, yet the title thread says “Are the forum rules not fit for purpose?”. Those don’t mean the same thing and I’d have to say “no” to one and “yes” to the other!
Why not simply ask “Are the forum rules fit for purpose?”.
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 18, 2021 16:14:16 GMT 1
How many bans have you had for spelling and grammar ? How many bans , yellow cards etc have you seen for spelling and grammar ? Ffs Steve Where did I say I had had any yellows or bans for such? I was referring to the unofficial adjudication on here that has been described by others as the 'police'! The ‘I’m more intellectual than you’ brigade |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 16:23:15 GMT 1
I'm just basing that on these threads. If I'm misrepresenting you - please elaborate. Because constantly trying to frame homophobia as being a product of Islam - particularly in the context of a poster being banned who's on record as despising it - is muddying the waters somewhat. Almost sounds like you're trying to excuse it - because something something, Muslims. Sounds like you're deflecting. By all means, prove me wrong. You only come on here to have an argument with someone don't you mate. Can you show me where I've tried to explicity excuse homophobia? I've condemned Islam for supporting it - they stone people to death you know in some parts of the world. Now, are you attempting to imply that I'm excusing homophobia because I've expressed a clear grievance with the warning sytem on the forum, because if you are, you better offer me some proof that that's the case. First off, no - I don't only come on here to have an argument. I've been on here for over a decade. What I'm saying is that you're on here arguing against a ban for someone who's been banned where their latest - and not their first - breaking of the rules was for blatant and despicable homophobia. I haven't once said you're excusing it, but I am pointing out that you're trying to excuse a poster banned for it. The fact that you keep trying to reframe it in what sounds an awful lot like an anti-Islam sentiment that sounds a like a blatant deflection. I'm not accusing you of anything. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2021 16:23:57 GMT 1
How many bans have you had for spelling and grammar ? How many bans , yellow cards etc have you seen for spelling and grammar ? Ffs Steve Where did I say I had had any yellows or bans for such? I was referring to the unofficial adjudication on here that has been described by others as the 'police'! I'm saying people are moaning about a rule which to my knowledge has never been applied . I might be way off beam here but I think it might have been agreed on specifically at the time nick was dicking about .. but other than nick I'd be amazed if anyone has received any sanction for not being able to spell , being dyslexic, not knowing where to put a comma etc.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 16:34:27 GMT 1
The poll says: “Should the forum rules be reconsidered?”, yet the title thread says “Are the forum rules not fit for purpose?”. Those don’t mean the same thing and I’d have to say “no” to one and “yes” to the other! Why not simply ask “Are the forum rules fit for purpose?”. I did, but then edited it due to an opposing meaning. The title is to ask whether they are fit for purpose, the question is whether you want changing them considered. If you think they're not fit for purpose, but don't want them charging answer no. If you do think they're fit for purpose & do want them changing answer yes. However, then consider whether you are a hypocrite. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2021 16:36:38 GMT 1
You only come on here to have an argument with someone don't you mate. Can you show me where I've tried to explicity excuse homophobia? I've condemned Islam for supporting it - they stone people to death you know in some parts of the world. Now, are you attempting to imply that I'm excusing homophobia because I've expressed a clear grievance with the warning sytem on the forum, because if you are, you better offer me some proof that that's the case. First off, no - I don't only come on here to have an argument. I've been on here for over a decade. What I'm saying is that you're on here arguing against a ban for someone who's been banned where their latest - and not their first - breaking of the rules was for blatant and despicable homophobia. I haven't once said you're excusing it, but I am pointing out that you're trying to excuse a poster banned for it. The fact that you keep trying to reframe it in what sounds an awful lot like an anti-Islam sentiment that sounds a like a blatant deflection. I'm not accusing you of anything. Was it blatant and despicable homophobia or was it one mans views that many wouldn't be troubled by. "Homosexuality is deviant, i think it a poor lifestyle choice, i think its unhealthy, but i have no problem with grown men carrying out their sexual perversions (yes, another perfectly legitimate word that your tiny brain with struggle with) in the privacy of their own homes." It's not aimed at anybody personally, it's not targeting individuals, it's one mans views that will never be changed. I don't agree with it, but it's not something that I'd get upset about when reading. I certainly don't think it's something that should be triggering lifetime bans on a forum, butthen I find the notion of a lifetime ban on a message board rather pathetic anyway. I know you'll come back and tell me it' blatant homophobia, but remember, that's your view, and one that isn't shared by a lot of the psters on the forum |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 16:39:25 GMT 1
Here's a rule. The most petty and targeted rule going in fairness. God help those that turn off spellchecker and have dyslexia. Writing on a forum is now an essay, otherwise you'll be yellow carded. Pathetic really This also includes consistent poor spelling - The users of this forum have expressed their preference for posts to be written in 'clean' English - there are no excuses for badly spelled posts, as all forum users have spell checkers at their disposal, even on mobile devices. Certain slang / nicknames / acronyms are acceptable in the context of a post. Blatant misuse of the English language will not be accepted however. You keep banging on about this but the key is the last line, particularly "blatant misuse". Nobody is getting banned for dropping the odd typo into their posts and that is proven on a daily basis. Try this: go and have a look at the action log and see how many people have been yellow carded for spelling "offences", and then ask yourself if you really need to keep beating this particular drum. Shouldn't even be on there and my main arse about it, it was blatantly directed at Nick. Then folk say nobody has vendettas etc. Load of bullshit. Some on here are in the ear of certain Admins and are a complete set of tits. Just mute ones you don't like, not make up some stupid rules |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 16:43:20 GMT 1
Where did I say I had had any yellows or bans for such? I was referring to the unofficial adjudication on here that has been described by others as the 'police'! I'm saying people are moaning about a rule which to my knowledge has never been applied . I might be way off beam here but I think it might have been agreed on specifically at the time nick was dicking about .. but other than nick I'd be amazed if anyone has received any sanction for not being able to spell , being dyslexic, not knowing where to put a comma etc.. I see, now you're claiming to be unobservant & thick to justify missing my point. It's people like you who exasperate some on here, looking for an argument, never wrong, always superior, well you just fucked up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 16:43:34 GMT 1
Here's a rule. The most petty and targeted rule going in fairness. God help those that turn off spellchecker and have dyslexia. Writing on a forum is now an essay, otherwise you'll be yellow carded. Pathetic really This also includes consistent poor spelling - The users of this forum have expressed their preference for posts to be written in 'clean' English - there are no excuses for badly spelled posts, as all forum users have spell checkers at their disposal, even on mobile devices. Certain slang / nicknames / acronyms are acceptable in the context of a post. Blatant misuse of the English language will not be accepted however. One of the most bizarre rules on an internet talk board. That last sentence??? Odd to say the least. Blatant use? How about if the person's grasp of grammar isn't too good? Language-ist? It's very bizarre. Even if someone consistently spelt stuff wrong on purpose, It wouldn't bother me at all. Bothered someone so much, they've wrote out a paragraph about it in their personal rules for Datm. There should be rules on here, obviously. But tedious ones, no. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2021 16:45:05 GMT 1
" Some on here are in the ear of certain Admins "
Want to name any names ? Want to provide any evidence? Because that is a pretty big accusation to be throwing about . You seem to have gone a bit "Donald Trump" also
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2021 16:45:46 GMT 1
I'm saying people are moaning about a rule which to my knowledge has never been applied . I might be way off beam here but I think it might have been agreed on specifically at the time nick was dicking about .. but other than nick I'd be amazed if anyone has received any sanction for not being able to spell , being dyslexic, not knowing where to put a comma etc.. I see, now you're claiming to be unobservant & thick to justify missing my point. It's people like you who exasperate some on here, looking for an argument, never wrong, always superior, well you just fucked up. Ok Steve. Keep taking the tablets mate |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 18, 2021 16:46:48 GMT 1
Problem is finding someone else who is daft enough to do it. You might not like them but atleast they put themselves forward to try and keep the forum running in a decent way I suspect it's not as difficult as they would have you believe. I'd do it in a complete refresh of the admin group. You could always start up that other forum again 🤔 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 16:48:23 GMT 1
I see, now you're claiming to be unobservant & thick to justify missing my point. It's people like you who exasperate some on here, looking for an argument, never wrong, always superior, well you just fucked up. Ok Steve. Keep taking the tablets mate Well that was predicted, as usual you deflect when cornered by your own hypocrisy. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2021 16:50:30 GMT 1
Ok Steve. Keep taking the tablets mate Well that was predicted, as usual you deflect when cornered by your own hypocrisy. Yes I do . I was being a complete hypocrite Steve when I pointed out no one had been sanctioned for spelling mistakes. I've now being cornered. I'm now desperately trying to deflect. Steve is right Ted is wrong . 1-0 Steve. Game set n match Steve. Steve is always right . Hats off to Steve. Etc etc |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 16:52:52 GMT 1
Well that was predicted, as usual you deflect when cornered by your own hypocrisy. Yes I do . I was being a complete hypocrite Steve when I pointed out no one had been sanctioned for spelling mistakes. I've now being cornered. I'm now desperately trying to deflect. Steve is right Ted is wrong . 1-0 Steve. Game set n match Steve. Steve is always right . Hats off to Steve. Etc etc Again, predictable, what else could YOU do when cornered! |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 18, 2021 16:53:18 GMT 1
Here's a rule. The most petty and targeted rule going in fairness. God help those that turn off spellchecker and have dyslexia. Writing on a forum is now an essay, otherwise you'll be yellow carded. Pathetic really This also includes consistent poor spelling - The users of this forum have expressed their preference for posts to be written in 'clean' English - there are no excuses for badly spelled posts, as all forum users have spell checkers at their disposal, even on mobile devices. Certain slang / nicknames / acronyms are acceptable in the context of a post. Blatant misuse of the English language will not be accepted however. That will be from Nick being a prick. He could post completely normally when he wanted to, he does so on FB and Twitter. |
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