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Post by terriers2000 on Jan 17, 2022 15:16:16 GMT 1
better not be , defo ain't championship level yet Perhaps not but is he any worse than Scott High currently? probably better than high
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Post by orinoco on Jan 17, 2022 17:38:54 GMT 1
Obviously been called back due to Sinani, no doubt he will have to go back to parent club to be assessed, just a waiting game for us.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 17, 2022 17:58:49 GMT 1
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Post by Yesss on Jan 17, 2022 18:07:47 GMT 1
better not be , defo ain't championship level yet How do you know? Maybe half a season with the monkey hangers has given him the leg up he needed. For certain Hogg, High and O'Brien is not the answer to Sinani's absence. High certainly isn’t, can only think of maybe 2 games he has played well in. The rest he’s been a shadow.
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Post by digs on Jan 17, 2022 18:29:46 GMT 1
How do you know? Maybe half a season with the monkey hangers has given him the leg up he needed. For certain Hogg, High and O'Brien is not the answer to Sinani's absence. High certainly isn’t, can only think of maybe 2 games he has played well in. The rest he’s been a shadow. I'd send High out on loan and give Daly a chance
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Post by Yesss on Jan 17, 2022 18:34:23 GMT 1
High certainly isn’t, can only think of maybe 2 games he has played well in. The rest he’s been a shadow. I'd send High out on loan and give Daly a chance I’d agree with that, but they play in different positions? So daly wouldn’t be replacing High would he
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jan 17, 2022 18:54:09 GMT 1
High certainly isn’t, can only think of maybe 2 games he has played well in. The rest he’s been a shadow. I'd send High out on loan and give Daly a chance Yeh, that'd do Highs confidence the world of good
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Post by crux on Jan 17, 2022 18:54:35 GMT 1
How do you know? Maybe half a season with the monkey hangers has given him the leg up he needed. For certain Hogg, High and O'Brien is not the answer to Sinani's absence. High certainly isn’t, can only think of maybe 2 games he has played well in. The rest he’s been a shadow. Must have been a decent shadow in a 2 man midfield with O'Brien during the recent unbeaten run whilst covering for Hogg! I know Town 'fans' love a scapegoat, but destroying a 20 year old home grown player after a dodgy 45 minutes performance is taking the biscuit.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 17, 2022 18:59:42 GMT 1
High certainly isn’t, can only think of maybe 2 games he has played well in. The rest he’s been a shadow. Must have been a decent shadow in a 2 man midfield with O'Brien during the recent unbeaten run whilst covering for Hogg! I know Town 'fans' love a scapegoat, but destroying a 20 year old home grown player after a dodgy 45 minutes performance is taking the biscuit. I'd hope that people don't take it upon themselves to wittingly or unwittingly destroy the career of a young prospect, but I would like see him go on loan to a good League 1 club, one fighting for promotion, just for him to continue learning. I think he's finding it quite hard at the moment.
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Post by digs on Jan 17, 2022 19:00:04 GMT 1
I'd send High out on loan and give Daly a chance Yeh, that'd do Highs confidence the world of good It hasn't harmed Dalys confidence,High isn't good enough,what do you do just keep sticking him in the team and hope for the best?
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Post by Yesss on Jan 17, 2022 19:00:17 GMT 1
High certainly isn’t, can only think of maybe 2 games he has played well in. The rest he’s been a shadow. Must have been a decent shadow in a 2 man midfield with O'Brien during the recent unbeaten run whilst covering for Hogg! I know Town 'fans' love a scapegoat, but destroying a 20 year old home grown player after a dodgy 45 minutes performance is taking the biscuit. So you can honestly say he’s contributed massively during this spell? 0 goals 0 assists whilst playing central midfield all season aren’t great stats. Also, I wouldn’t saying having an opinion on datm is ‘destroying’ him. Do you reckon he comes on datm and reads it? Don’t get me wrong I’m sure everyone wants him to be a success but so far the lad has a lot of learning to do.
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Post by jqhtfc on Jan 17, 2022 19:00:21 GMT 1
Really don’t get all this hate for Scott high, he’s a young lad playing regularly at championship level and I’d wager playing a lot more than he expected. He’s been asked fill the role of our captain when he’s really not that sort of player yet he’s done an okay job, he’s a young lad his performances are going to be up and down if you play Russell in there it’d be exactly the same.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 17, 2022 19:00:37 GMT 1
How do you know? Maybe half a season with the monkey hangers has given him the leg up he needed. For certain Hogg, High and O'Brien is not the answer to Sinani's absence. High certainly isn’t, can only think of maybe 2 games he has played well in. The rest he’s been a shadow. And yet we played far better in the games he started than in the 2 since Hoggy came back in for him.
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Post by Yesss on Jan 17, 2022 19:01:29 GMT 1
Yeh, that'd do Highs confidence the world of good It hasn't harmed Dalys confidence,High isn't good enough,what do you do just keep sticking him in the team and hope for the best? Look what happened with Schofield, we kept playing him and it’s destroyed his confidence and development. Another player that needs to be sent out on loan to make him a better player.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 17, 2022 19:03:17 GMT 1
Must have been a decent shadow in a 2 man midfield with O'Brien during the recent unbeaten run whilst covering for Hogg! I know Town 'fans' love a scapegoat, but destroying a 20 year old home grown player after a dodgy 45 minutes performance is taking the biscuit. So you can honestly say he’s contributed massively during this spell? 0 goals 0 assists whilst playing central midfield all season aren’t great stats. Also, I wouldn’t saying having an opinion on datm is ‘destroying’ him. Do you reckon he comes on datm and reads it? Don’t get me wrong I’m sure everyone wants him to be a success but so far the lad has a lot of learning to do. 0 assists, how many assists has the bloke he replaced ever had ? His pass set up the winner v WBA but it doesn't count as an assist.
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Post by crux on Jan 17, 2022 19:05:09 GMT 1
Must have been a decent shadow in a 2 man midfield with O'Brien during the recent unbeaten run whilst covering for Hogg! I know Town 'fans' love a scapegoat, but destroying a 20 year old home grown player after a dodgy 45 minutes performance is taking the biscuit. I'd hope that people don't take it upon themselves to wittingly or unwittingly destroy the career of a young prospect, but I would like see him go on loan to a good League 1 club, one fighting for promotion, just for him to continue learning. I think he's finding it quite hard at the moment. A loan would have been good for him, however we are woefully short of players in midfield and can't afford to send him out unless he's replaced. I can't see Vallejo playing for us again and Hogg is unlikely to play more than 50% of the remaining games based on his on-going fitness issues. Russell looks a decent prospect, but according to the Accrington Stanley supporters is good going forward but 'bloody awful' as a defensive midfield player.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 17, 2022 19:08:38 GMT 1
I'd hope that people don't take it upon themselves to wittingly or unwittingly destroy the career of a young prospect, but I would like see him go on loan to a good League 1 club, one fighting for promotion, just for him to continue learning. I think he's finding it quite hard at the moment. A loan would have been good for him, however we are woefully short of players in midfield and can't afford to send him out unless he's replaced. I can't see Vallejo playing for us again and Hogg is unlikely to play more than 50% of the remaining games based on his on-going fitness issues. Russell looks a decent prospect, but according to the Accrington Stanley supporters is good going forward but 'bloody awful' as a defensive midfield player. I knew they'd said that about him and I thought it was interesting that, at Burnley, he dropped in front of the back line when Hogg went off.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jan 17, 2022 19:12:51 GMT 1
Yeh, that'd do Highs confidence the world of good It hasn't harmed Dalys confidence,High isn't good enough,what do you do just keep sticking him in the team and hope for the best? My point is that Daly isn't an established first team player like High, sending him away now could finish him confidence wise
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 17, 2022 19:14:02 GMT 1
It hasn't harmed Dalys confidence,High isn't good enough,what do you do just keep sticking him in the team and hope for the best? Look what happened with Schofield, we kept playing him and it’s destroyed his confidence and development. Another player that needs to be sent out on loan to make him a better player. it's different for keepers. If Schofield misplaced as many passes in a game as High did on Saturday he'd have gone to live his life as a monk the next day to escape the vitriol. A goalkeeper is judged on a handful of split second decisions and reflexes, lose even a fraction of confidence and you start second guessing yourself and making more mistakes. A midfielder has far more chances to put it right even in the same game. High will bounce back he's clearly competent enough. A loan would do more to hurt his confidence- what kind of message would that send out if he's just been starting every week while we go on our best run of form for years. Effectively calling him a passenger and saying it was nothing to do with his contributions. Could he have been more effective? Yes but he's only 20 he'll learn as he goes. We've been spoilt by O'Brien who was championship standard as soon as he stepped on the pitch for us.
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Post by Tiro on Jan 17, 2022 19:54:39 GMT 1
It hasn't harmed Dalys confidence,High isn't good enough,what do you do just keep sticking him in the team and hope for the best? Look what happened with Schofield, we kept playing him and it’s destroyed his confidence and development. Another player that needs to be sent out on loan to make him a better player. I don’t think this comparison is just, ask Notts County fans’ opinion of his time on loan there - it’s really not dissimilar to our own. And I don’t believe confidence is responsible for everything. I think his ability and decision making are the most problematic issues. We can’t wrap him in cotton wool all the times. There are some talented keepers in the pipeline, who aren’t really far off him despite his experience, so at some stage, difficult decisions will have to be made.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 17, 2022 19:58:59 GMT 1
It hasn't harmed Dalys confidence,High isn't good enough,what do you do just keep sticking him in the team and hope for the best? My point is that Daly isn't an established first team player like High, sending him away now could finish him confidence wiseIt doesn't seem to have affected REG's confidence, having played twenty odd Championship games last season.
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Post by Tiro on Jan 17, 2022 20:03:15 GMT 1
Look what happened with Schofield, we kept playing him and it’s destroyed his confidence and development. Another player that needs to be sent out on loan to make him a better player. it's different for keepers. If Schofield misplaced as many passes in a game as High did on Saturday he'd have gone to live his life as a monk the next day to escape the vitriol. A goalkeeper is judged on a handful of split second decisions and reflexes, lose even a fraction of confidence and you start second guessing yourself and making more mistakes. A midfielder has far more chances to put it right even in the same game. High will bounce back he's clearly competent enough. A loan would do more to hurt his confidence- what kind of message would that send out if he's just been starting every week while we go on our best run of form for years. Effectively calling him a passenger and saying it was nothing to do with his contributions. Could he have been more effective? Yes but he's only 20 he'll learn as he goes. We've been spoilt by O'Brien who was championship standard as soon as he stepped on the pitch for us. But O’Brien had a season long loan before…. And High had a loan at Shrewsbury too. The difference was O’Brien excelled and High was recalled because he wasn’t making the cut. He’s since been involved largely because of injuries. What’s the best for him? B-Team or first team development? I donot want to be too harsh on the lad; he’s young and people speak highly of him. I just haven’t seen enough over the course of this season to see what his potential may bring - I haven’t seen this passing range people often quote in particular.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jan 17, 2022 20:18:04 GMT 1
better not be , defo ain't championship level yet Perhaps not but is he any worse than Scott High currently? I think that's unduly harsh. High has played an important part for us this year, so far, but I bet he is more upset with his own performance at the weekend than anyone on here. Saturday was a disaster for the kid but he hasn't let us down before that. It's all part of a learning curve for him.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 17, 2022 20:30:52 GMT 1
it's different for keepers. If Schofield misplaced as many passes in a game as High did on Saturday he'd have gone to live his life as a monk the next day to escape the vitriol. A goalkeeper is judged on a handful of split second decisions and reflexes, lose even a fraction of confidence and you start second guessing yourself and making more mistakes. A midfielder has far more chances to put it right even in the same game. High will bounce back he's clearly competent enough. A loan would do more to hurt his confidence- what kind of message would that send out if he's just been starting every week while we go on our best run of form for years. Effectively calling him a passenger and saying it was nothing to do with his contributions. Could he have been more effective? Yes but he's only 20 he'll learn as he goes. We've been spoilt by O'Brien who was championship standard as soon as he stepped on the pitch for us. But O’Brien had a season long loan before…. And High had a loan at Shrewsbury too. The difference was O’Brien excelled and High was recalled because he wasn’t making the cut. He’s since been involved largely because of injuries. What’s the best for him? B-Team or first team development? I donot want to be too harsh on the lad; he’s young and people speak highly of him. I just haven’t seen enough over the course of this season to see what his potential may bring - I haven’t seen this passing range people often quote in particular. High deserves more credit for his loan at Shrewsbury, he was starting every week til the manager got sacked in December, the new one played a different formation I think and High was the casualty of that. Assuming they develop at the same rate, which they won't, O'Brien was still at Bradford at the age High is now. The best thing for him now is to be in and around the first team squad- Carlos rates him and he's managed to make himself one of only about 15 players he trusts enough to play regularly, he'll develop more around better players and with a high standard of opponents. The dynamic of sending him out mid-season is different to loaning out O'Brien or even REG who'd been around the first team for as long. If he doesn't pick up second half of this season maybe something like that is in order, I just don't think now's the time coming off the back of a winning run with him in the side, not to mention how short we are in midfield
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Post by Skint Terriers on Jan 17, 2022 22:54:27 GMT 1
Really don’t get all this hate for Scott high, he’s a young lad playing regularly at championship level and I’d wager playing a lot more than he expected. He’s been asked fill the role of our captain when he’s really not that sort of player yet he’s done an okay job, he’s a young lad his performances are going to be up and down if you play Russell in there it’d be exactly the same. just because he's young and may potentially be an okay player in the future doesn't mean he can't be slated. As of right now, he is league 2 level at very best
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 17, 2022 23:11:03 GMT 1
Really don’t get all this hate for Scott high, he’s a young lad playing regularly at championship level and I’d wager playing a lot more than he expected. He’s been asked fill the role of our captain when he’s really not that sort of player yet he’s done an okay job, he’s a young lad his performances are going to be up and down if you play Russell in there it’d be exactly the same. just because he's young and may potentially be an okay player in the future doesn't mean he can't be slated. As of right now, he is league 2 level at very best Some right bell ends on here, High made a couple of mistakes on Sat, didn’t result in a goal, get off his back.
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Post by jqhtfc on Jan 17, 2022 23:28:27 GMT 1
Really don’t get all this hate for Scott high, he’s a young lad playing regularly at championship level and I’d wager playing a lot more than he expected. He’s been asked fill the role of our captain when he’s really not that sort of player yet he’s done an okay job, he’s a young lad his performances are going to be up and down if you play Russell in there it’d be exactly the same. just because he's young and may potentially be an okay player in the future doesn't mean he can't be slated. As of right now, he is league 2 level at very best Give over league two, he was hardly league two standard away at forest or Blackburn the week or in fact most games he’s started in. No player is above criticism young or not you’re correct but he’s made a scapegoat by some which is unfair he seems to some to be totally at fault for that shit show of second half on Saturday when he was shoved wide right or some reason. My point is young players have shit games they aren’t consistent should he be playing 20 plus games at this level at the moment probably not but the lack of investment in the squad means he has too and he’s done a decent enough job.
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Post by dugnet on Jan 18, 2022 0:32:30 GMT 1
Perhaps not but is he any worse than Scott High currently? I think that's unduly harsh. High has played an important part for us this year, so far, but I bet he is more upset with his own performance at the weekend than anyone on here. Saturday was a disaster for the kid but he hasn't let us down before that. It's all part of a learning curve for him. It wasn't meant to be harsh, I should have phrased it to could he offer more than Scott High. High didn't have a good game on Saturday but my main issue with him is that he offers little when we are out of possession. He certainly has a good pass in him but, at the moment, his lack of physicality and ability to read the game are significant weaknesses. Daly may offer more in the role that Sinani performs.
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Post by incognito on Jan 18, 2022 0:41:41 GMT 1
I can't help but feel we'd be better off sending Daly up to Harrogate and bringing Diarra back...
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jan 18, 2022 9:22:25 GMT 1
Really don’t get all this hate for Scott high, he’s a young lad playing regularly at championship level and I’d wager playing a lot more than he expected. He’s been asked fill the role of our captain when he’s really not that sort of player yet he’s done an okay job, he’s a young lad his performances are going to be up and down if you play Russell in there it’d be exactly the same. just because he's young and may potentially be an okay player in the future doesn't mean he can't be slated. As of right now, he is league 2 level at very best Are you being serious? The lads made the odd mistake but to call him L2 standard is just not true
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