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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 6, 2021 7:39:54 GMT 1
What a despicable industry pro football is In which industry do the parties not try to get the best deal they can? Mbenza holds the cards and is playing them intelligently. Why shouldn't he negotiate according to his best interest? He could get a career-ending injury any time. He should strike the best deal he can, for him and his family. I didn't say mbenza was despicable . I said the industry is . When kids are earning more in a week than most people earn in a year for kicking some leather around then something is wrong |
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Sept 6, 2021 8:44:32 GMT 1
In which industry do the parties not try to get the best deal they can? Mbenza holds the cards and is playing them intelligently. Why shouldn't he negotiate according to his best interest? He could get a career-ending injury any time. He should strike the best deal he can, for him and his family. I didn't say mbenza was despicable . I said the industry is . When kids are earning more in a week than most people earn in a year for kicking some leather around then something is wrong Exactly. At no point did IM unilaterally write his own contract and decide his transfer fee. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 6, 2021 8:46:48 GMT 1
I didn't say mbenza was despicable . I said the industry is . When kids are earning more in a week than most people earn in a year for kicking some leather around then something is wrong Exactly. At no point did IM unilaterally write his own contract and decide his transfer fee. No he didn't... However our football club have paid him millions of pounds . He never need work again with what we have given him . And my opinion is that he hasn't maybe repaid this with the effort required to justify that |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 8:53:27 GMT 1
Another absolute mess created by Hoyle, pay £10 million for one of the worst players in Premier League history, then expect to get your money back when he turns out to be absolute garbage. Not that his fan boys will agree with but my word we are lucky to see the back of him. The more I look at it the more understanding I am to the job PH is doing, can look forward to what the future holds now.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 6, 2021 9:04:42 GMT 1
Another absolute mess created by Hoyle, pay £10 million for one of the worst players in Premier League history, then expect to get your money back when he turns out to be absolute garbage. Not that his fan boys will agree with but my word we are lucky to see the back of him. The more I look at it the more understanding I am to the job PH is doing, can look forward to what the future holds now. Youre blaming the chairman for us signing a dud player ? FFS |
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Post by sensible idiot on Sept 6, 2021 9:10:30 GMT 1
Another absolute mess created by Hoyle, pay £10 million for one of the worst players in Premier League history, then expect to get your money back when he turns out to be absolute garbage. Not that his fan boys will agree with but my word we are lucky to see the back of him. The more I look at it the more understanding I am to the job PH is doing, can look forward to what the future holds now. Yes mistakes were made…. But we signed a Belgium U21 international from a reasonable Ligue 1 side who had stats of 11 goals in 54 games over 2 seasons. Turns out he’s a greedy useless twat who hasn’t done much for us …… but yep, it’s all Hoyles fault - for backing whoever decided he was a player we want. And just to clarify… I’m not a Hoyle ‘fanboy’…. He did fantastic for us by getting us to the PL… and keeping us there for a season. He backed his manager with player purchases etc. for which I will not criticise him with the basis of hindsight….. …… but, if the rumours are right, then I’m as pissed off with him as the next fan if the terms of the sale of the club etc are hampering us. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 9:12:24 GMT 1
Another absolute mess created by Hoyle, pay £10 million for one of the worst players in Premier League history, then expect to get your money back when he turns out to be absolute garbage. Not that his fan boys will agree with but my word we are lucky to see the back of him. The more I look at it the more understanding I am to the job PH is doing, can look forward to what the future holds now. Youre blaming the chairman for us signing a dud player ? FFS Im blaming Hoyle for signing a dud player then expecting to get his money back for him yes, that literally happens nowhere.  |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 6, 2021 9:17:23 GMT 1
Youre blaming the chairman for us signing a dud player ? FFS Im blaming Hoyle for signing a dud player then expecting to get his money back for him yes, that literally happens nowhere. I don't understand what you're talking about tbh .. all clubs sign duds. All clubs would want to get money back for players when they leave (depending on their age as to how realistic that is) .. all clubs have experience of this not happening. So why is this all about Dean Hoyle ? I really have no clue what you're on about |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 6, 2021 9:18:20 GMT 1
It was worth a try to maybe get abit of money for him, it obviously didn't work in the end but a mutual termination atleased gets him off the books. We can now move on as a club with players that actually want to be here & the last of the premier league big earners off the wage bill.
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 6, 2021 9:19:04 GMT 1
Youre blaming the chairman for us signing a dud player ? FFS Im blaming Hoyle for signing a dud player then expecting to get his money back for him yes, that literally happens nowhere. If only he could've been arsed to submit the paperwork on time to sign Adama Traore, he would've had his brass back by now. But, I don't suppose it affects him really ... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 9:23:38 GMT 1
Im blaming Hoyle for signing a dud player then expecting to get his money back for him yes, that literally happens nowhere. I don't understand what you're talking about tbh .. all clubs sign duds. All clubs would want to get money back for players when they leave (depending on their age as to how realistic that is) .. all clubs have experience of this not happening. So why is this all about Dean Hoyle ? I really have no clue what you're on about Yes they do, but we paid 10 million for a player worth about 1. Because Dean wants all the money back he reinvested in the club (which by the way is the most hilarious, ridiculous thing I have ever seen, who buys a football club and expects to get their money back) we are now stuck with a 10 million pound dud who we should have released but had to keep because our ex chairman can't accept he had an absolute shocker on. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 6, 2021 9:35:24 GMT 1
I don't understand what you're talking about tbh .. all clubs sign duds. All clubs would want to get money back for players when they leave (depending on their age as to how realistic that is) .. all clubs have experience of this not happening. So why is this all about Dean Hoyle ? I really have no clue what you're on about Yes they do, but we paid 10 million for a player worth about 1. Because Dean wants all the money back he reinvested in the club (which by the way is the most hilarious, ridiculous thing I have ever seen, who buys a football club and expects to get their money back) we are now stuck with a 10 million pound dud who we should have released but had to keep because our ex chairman can't accept he had an absolute shocker on. So have you never known a situation whereby a chairman has sold a football club and "got his money back " or indeed made a huge financial profit ? Are you saying Hoyle should take the hit on Mbenza ? If so do you think he should have trousered the 8m Rhodes money ? The 6m Butterfield money ? Etc etc. You're making zero sense |
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Post by ambryboy on Sept 6, 2021 9:38:54 GMT 1
After reading the Town triple championship book it was very clear that at that time a player's 'character' was an extremely important part of the decision whether to sigh a player or not. Maybe this is not a bad ethos to guide our future transfer dealings as on paper IM was potentially a good (albeit expensive) signing but he had a troubled relationship with his former club although the deal may have been struck by the time this came to light. Compare to someone like Sorba Thomas who seems to have a brilliant attitude and who is already viewing himself as an honorary Yorkshire man.
I'd rather watch 11 players who want to bust a gut for my team than some half-assed prima-donna like Mbenza.
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Post by Dan on Sept 6, 2021 9:40:29 GMT 1
I don't understand what you're talking about tbh .. all clubs sign duds. All clubs would want to get money back for players when they leave (depending on their age as to how realistic that is) .. all clubs have experience of this not happening. So why is this all about Dean Hoyle ? I really have no clue what you're on about Yes they do, but we paid 10 million for a player worth about 1. Because Dean wants all the money back he reinvested in the club (which by the way is the most hilarious, ridiculous thing I have ever seen, who buys a football club and expects to get their money back) we are now stuck with a 10 million pound dud who we should have released but had to keep because our ex chairman can't accept he had an absolute shocker on. How much do you think HTAFC were worth in January 2019? Premier League club, yes on the verge of relegation but with 3 years of parachute payments on the way. Should he have just sold us for a £1 million and just have done with it? I've no problem with him wanting £40/50/60 million (market value for the club), it's just the way he's gone about it. No spending of transfer fees / NDA's etc. Surely there must have been another way |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 9:40:46 GMT 1
Yes they do, but we paid 10 million for a player worth about 1. Because Dean wants all the money back he reinvested in the club (which by the way is the most hilarious, ridiculous thing I have ever seen, who buys a football club and expects to get their money back) we are now stuck with a 10 million pound dud who we should have released but had to keep because our ex chairman can't accept he had an absolute shocker on. So have you never known a situation whereby a chairman has sold a football club and "got his money back " or indeed made a huge financial profit ? Are you saying Hoyle should take the hit on Mbenza ? If so do you think he should have trousered the 8m Rhodes money ? The 6m Butterfield money ? Etc etc. You're making zero sense Give me an example of a club who has just been relegated from the Premier League, carrying Premier League contracts who have been sold for a profit, il sit and wait for your response... To the other point he literally did trouser the Rhodes and Butterfield money  have you lived in a hole the past 10 years? He spent absolutely nothing in getting us promoted, Schindler at 1.3 million was our record signing lets not pretend it was because he spent millions. Yes his business plan was how Town had and will have to be run because he didn't have fortunes of cash, but lets not pretend he reinvested that 8 million for Rhodes 5 for Butterfield, Smithies, Clayton, Hunt etc back into significant investments back into the squad he used the parachute money to pay for Mbenza etc. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 6, 2021 10:01:19 GMT 1
Wow. Your knowledge of the business of football is literally staggering
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Post by wigster on Sept 6, 2021 10:22:54 GMT 1
So he gets a hefty pay up from us as well as a signing on fee + wages at his new club? I don't think we will pay him, basically what would have happened if we didn't trigger the clause. His agent gets what he wanted I've no idea but I presumed a mutual termination agreement means that instead of getting the "x" tens of £thousands from us for the remainder of his contract he gets less - only "y" tens of thousands. A total disgrace but at least he was good at something - getting a fortune - because it certainly wasn't football. He has his conscience to live with... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 10:30:36 GMT 1
Wow. Your knowledge of the business of football is literally staggering About one thousand times better than yours I would imagine fella hence why you have attempted to end it with the above comment, I would go into detailed breakdown of it all but think it would be too much for your tiny mind sadly. Will leave this one here as arguing over Hoyle always ends the same way and ruins these threads apologies to everyone looking for Mbenza news. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 6, 2021 10:33:17 GMT 1
Wow. Your knowledge of the business of football is literally staggering About one thousand times better than yours I would imagine fella hence why you have attempted to end it with the above comment, I would go into detailed breakdown of it all but think it would be too much for your tiny mind sadly. Will leave this one here as arguing over Hoyle always ends the same way and ruins these threads apologies to everyone looking for Mbenza news. So did town make profits season on season ? Are you accusing Hoyle of taking money out of club accounts ? Yes indeed your knowledge is literally staggering. Good idea to bow out now as you're embarrassing yourself |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 10:43:46 GMT 1
Nobody's saying the signing worked out well. But most of our points last year came in the first part of the season, when Mbenza, Campbell and Koroma were playing well together up top. Without his unexpected if brief contribution there's a good chance we'd now be in League 1 ... not 4th in Championship. That's worth something, at least. Better than Pritchard, Diakhaby, Sobhi etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 10:44:16 GMT 1
About one thousand times better than yours I would imagine fella hence why you have attempted to end it with the above comment, I would go into detailed breakdown of it all but think it would be too much for your tiny mind sadly. Will leave this one here as arguing over Hoyle always ends the same way and ruins these threads apologies to everyone looking for Mbenza news. So did town make profits season on season ? Are you accusing Hoyle of taking money out of club accounts ? Yes indeed your knowledge is literally staggering. Good idea to bow out now as you're embarrassing yourself Jesus Christ, you just don't see it do you, have to be a complete retard if you think anybody buys a football club expecting to get their money back or make a profit on it exactly what Hoyle is and has done with this sale (your point above is arguing with yourself he literally used player sales to fund the club not his own money), the likes of Mbenza will be part of his legacy you fanboys will always be grateful for anyway so that's good to know. Looking at how many posts you make you clearly have a lot of time to think about life maybe consider getting a job or something instead of sitting on forums all day since you're so incredibly intelligent. |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 6, 2021 10:52:06 GMT 1
Nobody's saying the signing worked out well. But most of our points last year came in the first part of the season, when Mbenza, Campbell and Koroma were playing well together up top. Without his unexpected if brief contribution there's a good chance we'd now be in League 1 ... not 4th in Championship. That's worth something, at least. Better than Pritchard, Diakhaby, Sobhi etc. I'm yet to be convinced that Mbenza was any better a signing than those other players you mention. |
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Post by golcarexile on Sept 6, 2021 11:18:12 GMT 1
Nobody's saying the signing worked out well. But most of our points last year came in the first part of the season, when Mbenza, Campbell and Koroma were playing well together up top. Without his unexpected if brief contribution there's a good chance we'd now be in League 1 ... not 4th in Championship. That's worth something, at least. Better than Pritchard, Diakhaby, Sobhi etc. I'm yet to be convinced that Mbenza was any better a signing than those other players you mention. All ifs, buts and maybes. Pritchard scored a couple of goals and had at least one assist when we stayed up. If he hadn"t, who knows? We might have gone down and never signed any of those other sh@tc#nts. |
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Post by crux on Sept 6, 2021 11:30:11 GMT 1
As long as it doesn't cost us any money, just let him go. It will improve the transfer window.
At least that'll be one less agent we'll ever have to deal with, as I can't see us ever taking one of his players again!
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Post by sensible idiot on Sept 6, 2021 11:48:15 GMT 1
So did town make profits season on season ? Are you accusing Hoyle of taking money out of club accounts ? Yes indeed your knowledge is literally staggering. Good idea to bow out now as you're embarrassing yourself Jesus Christ, you just don't see it do you, have to be a complete retard if you think anybody buys a football club expecting to get their money back or make a profit on it exactly what Hoyle is and has done with this sale (your point above is arguing with yourself he literally used player sales to fund the club not his own money), the likes of Mbenza will be part of his legacy you fanboys will always be grateful for anyway so that's good to know. Looking at how many posts you make you clearly have a lot of time to think about life maybe consider getting a job or something instead of sitting on forums all day since you're so incredibly intelligent. You said above that Hoyle trousered the sale proceeds from Coady, Butterfield etc etc. How can that be if he was putting approx £5 million a year in to the club pre PL ? You can call me a fanboy if you like but the way you are talking suggests that you have an irrational hatred of Hoyle and are now making stuff up to keep your anger burning. Also, if you read these pages you should be aware that Ted does work - in a difficult area supporting and protecting vulnerable folk in society. And you are now pissing me off doubly as you are forcing me to agree with Ted…. And to defend him. Not the greatest start to a week I’ve ever had! |
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 6, 2021 11:52:47 GMT 1
Looks like he’s finally gone going on his Instagram post
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 6, 2021 11:56:59 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 6, 2021 11:58:48 GMT 1
Jesus Christ, you just don't see it do you, have to be a complete retard if you think anybody buys a football club expecting to get their money back or make a profit on it exactly what Hoyle is and has done with this sale (your point above is arguing with yourself he literally used player sales to fund the club not his own money), the likes of Mbenza will be part of his legacy you fanboys will always be grateful for anyway so that's good to know. Looking at how many posts you make you clearly have a lot of time to think about life maybe consider getting a job or something instead of sitting on forums all day since you're so incredibly intelligent. You said above that Hoyle trousered the sale proceeds from Coady, Butterfield etc etc. How can that be if he was putting approx £5 million a year in to the club pre PL ? You can call me a fanboy if you like but the way you are talking suggests that you have an irrational hatred of Hoyle and are now making stuff up to keep your anger burning. Also, if you read these pages you should be aware that Ted does work - in a difficult area supporting and protecting vulnerable folk in society. And you are now pissing me off doubly as you are forcing me to agree with Ted…. And to defend him. Not the greatest start to a week I’ve ever had! Maybe you have finally come to the realisation that I'm never wrong |
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Post by Hank Hill on Sept 6, 2021 12:00:07 GMT 1
Reckon we've found a buyer or just terminated his contact? Obvious that he wasn't going to play at all this season anyway if he did stay. |
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 6, 2021 12:03:12 GMT 1
Reckon we've found a buyer or just terminated his contact? Obvious that he wasn't going to play at all this season anyway if he did stay. Be as Maynard said we'll have come to a mutual termination of contract to allow him to negotiate a good signing on fee at his new club , will get nowt but his wages off the books though. |
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have you lived in a hole the past 10 years? He spent absolutely nothing in getting us promoted, Schindler at 1.3 million was our record signing lets not pretend it was because he spent millions. Yes his business plan was how Town had and will have to be run because he didn't have fortunes of cash, but lets not pretend he reinvested that 8 million for Rhodes 5 for Butterfield, Smithies, Clayton, Hunt etc back into significant investments back into the squad he used the parachute money to pay for Mbenza etc. 
