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Post by goodbet on Oct 25, 2021 17:46:14 GMT 1
Probably not the right place for these musings on Towns transfers. The issue a number of people had about this transfer was it was just another example of a transfer mess on deadline line, just like the previous window where we could not get our fax out in time apparently. It seems that we have reverted to getting players in early in the last window as we failed miserably leaving it late in the previous two windows. Are you talking about Mipo? Was it a mess? Most people were regarding it as a coup to get a highly rated premier league youngster. We tried to buy him and got him on loan instead. Were you calling it a mess at the time? Seemed like we moved pretty quickly when Rhodes got a long term injury. Would we have signed Mipo if that hasn’t happened? Highly unlikely given we had 3 strikers on the books. Seems like with hindsight you’re lumping this in with the shambles from previous windows when actually the recruitment team did a good job this time. I was referring the the player that we missed out on and ended up at Luton that was being discussed above. This is why I suggested that it may not be the best place to discuss that transfer, I should have been clearer.
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Post by yappledapple on Oct 27, 2021 19:42:43 GMT 1
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Post by Toxic Ted on Oct 27, 2021 19:55:50 GMT 1
All part of our plan to snap him up for £100k in January.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 21:21:19 GMT 1
I tried, but life isn't long enough. Thanks for the apology, however.
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Oct 27, 2021 21:45:10 GMT 1
Scored 2 this afternoon for the B team in a 7-0 win against Walsall.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 10:00:32 GMT 1
Scored 2 this afternoon for the B team in a 7-0 win against Walsall. Scored 1
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Oct 28, 2021 10:09:08 GMT 1
Scored 2 this afternoon for the B team in a 7-0 win against Walsall. Scored 1 Correct, I read the match report from Walsall who had him down as scoring twice, should have read the report on Town's site.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Oct 28, 2021 10:39:00 GMT 1
What the guy says is sort of correct, but there are benefits for players like Mipo having to work to earn a place. It may not sound great from a Hammers fan perspective but it is part of being ‘grounded’ as young player learning the ropes. Walking into a lower division team may give him more game time but he needs to be able to compete at, at least, our level if he is to develop from where he is now, ESR is a good example. Our system may not suit his style of play but if he really wants to succeed he needs to be flexible. I hope playing 90 minutes yesterday will give him a kick start. He may not recover in time for Saturday but at least he is playing and scoring now.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 28, 2021 13:01:30 GMT 1
I'm inclined to agree with the writer. This is too high a level for him right now & if he needs mens' football for his development he'd be better placed at a lower level getting game time in the first team. Although from what I've seen of him (admittedly not much) and the fact he's scarcely made the bench despite his position being one of our weaker areas, I suspect the suggestion of Hillsborough may also be a bridge too far. Some mid-table League 2 side might be a better bet for him. Salford, Crawley, Rochdale or Manningham might be a better fit, and build from there. Or, training alongside better players at West Ham. Either way, I don't see that this move has benefitted any party so far. Much the same as when we sent Olagunju to Port Vale. It was too high a level for him to have much impact, and he'd have probably been better served playing regularly at (e.g.) Halifax or Solihull.
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Post by captainblack on Oct 29, 2021 7:19:13 GMT 1
I'm inclined to agree with the writer. This is too high a level for him right now & if he needs mens' football for his development he'd be better placed at a lower level getting game time in the first team. Although from what I've seen of him (admittedly not much) and the fact he's scarcely made the bench despite his position being one of our weaker areas, I suspect the suggestion of Hillsborough may also be a bridge too far. Some mid-table League 2 side might be a better bet for him. Salford, Crawley, Rochdale or Manningham might be a better fit, and build from there. Or, training alongside better players at West Ham. Either way, I don't see that this move has benefitted any party so far. Much the same as when we sent Olagunju to Port Vale. It was too high a level for him to have much impact, and he'd have probably been better served playing regularly at (e.g.) Halifax or Solihull. I have been a little baffled by the loan of Mipo , why sign a player on loan and then hardly play him, possibly I am being too simplistic. Its like you said , we have hardly seen him play, I really have not had chance to evaluate the player as yet. It seems even more bizarre as Rhodes has been injured. Lets hope this lad gets a run out tomorrow.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 29, 2021 8:55:51 GMT 1
I'm working on the premise that the club saw potential that he could tear it up at this level, or at least offer something we didn't already have - but that potential hasn't yet been realised. Maybe our scouts thought he'd be able to slot in better than he has. He certainly looks to have ability on the YouTube clips I've seen (although, don't they all?), all reports I've read point to a decent attitude - so those things together (coupled with probably watching a few West Ham B team fixtures & seeing whatever stats he had) would seem to show why we were interested.
Not all signings work out, and unless something dramatic happens in the next 2 months, this looks like it'll be one of those.
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Post by CaptainHart on Oct 29, 2021 9:39:59 GMT 1
It's just one those things where it doesn't work, both clubs thought he'd be able to make the move. It also highlights a problem with the loan system for young players: he's stuck here until January while everyone concerned probably thinks he'd be better off back at West Ham.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Oct 29, 2021 9:42:48 GMT 1
It's just one those things where it doesn't work, both clubs thought he'd be able to make the move. It also highlights a problem with the loan system for young players: he's stuck here until January while everyone concerned probably thinks he'd be better off back at West Ham. Surely if both clubs and the player agreed, then the loan could be terminated?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 9:56:45 GMT 1
My cousin, who is a big West Ham fan, reckons Mipo is going to be recalled in January and sent out on loan to a club in League 2. Likely to be down south.
Makes sense for the lad.
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Post by Floyds on Oct 29, 2021 10:54:29 GMT 1
Given he’s not in the squad because “we’re working on his mobility and understanding of game situations”, he needs an “adaptation process to compete in the Championship” and he’s “had a bit of frustration”.
I’d say a recall was more than likely.
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Post by CaptainHart on Oct 29, 2021 11:01:12 GMT 1
It's just one those things where it doesn't work, both clubs thought he'd be able to make the move. It also highlights a problem with the loan system for young players: he's stuck here until January while everyone concerned probably thinks he'd be better off back at West Ham. Surely if both clubs and the player agreed, then the loan could be terminated? He can't play for anyone else until next year.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Oct 29, 2021 11:24:14 GMT 1
Surely if both clubs and the player agreed, then the loan could be terminated? He can't play for anyone else until next year. Ah I see. He could continue to play for the WH reserves/B-team though couldn't he?
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Post by ambryboy on Oct 29, 2021 11:36:16 GMT 1
Surely we're not throwing the towel in on the lad already? He's had more game time than Ruffels, and after 2 goals in the B team this week I would get him in the first team squad for this weekend to give him some incentive to keep grafting and also help his self-belief.
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Post by tonytiler on Oct 29, 2021 11:41:02 GMT 1
If he doesnt play much between now and December,can see West Ham taking him back.
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Post by orinoco on Oct 29, 2021 12:02:33 GMT 1
If he doesnt play much between now and December,can see West Ham taking him back. I was thinking that also, it would also free up a loan space for a player who would maybe feature in the 1st team.
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Post by shawsie on Oct 29, 2021 12:04:47 GMT 1
His situation just proves how tough getting prem loans in actually is. Clearly came here as a talented lad deemed ready to do a brown or palmer for us and kickstart his own senior career before heading back to west ham ready to challenge there in due course. Sadly he doesnt look quite ready (I know he's not been seen much but looked a bit lost in the two games i've seen him involved in) - just hope the deal struck with west ham isnt like how liverpool do it! Their insistence on x minutes/in the squad or you pay the entire wages apparently scuppered us several years ago in terms of loans. Still time for him to make an impact yet, but its a tough gig playing up top for us full stop never mind as a rookie pro 200 miles from home. Hope he makes a cameo appearance tomorrow against the "vermin" and notches the winner!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 12:48:37 GMT 1
Surely we're not throwing the towel in on the lad already? He's had more game time than Ruffels, and after 2 goals in the B team this week I would get him in the first team squad for this weekend to give him some incentive to keep grafting and also help his self-belief. One goal and they are not thrawing the towel in on him in any way
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 14:23:48 GMT 1
Surely we're not throwing the towel in on the lad already? He's had more game time than Ruffels, and after 2 goals in the B team this week I would get him in the first team squad for this weekend to give him some incentive to keep grafting and also help his self-belief. Where's folk getting his 2 goals from? Has he borrowed 1? 🙃🙃
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Post by bluesandtwos on Oct 29, 2021 14:47:28 GMT 1
Did anyone watch the B Team game he played in? He played 90 minutes and I would be really interested in any observations.
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Post by ambryboy on Oct 29, 2021 17:09:51 GMT 1
Surely we're not throwing the towel in on the lad already? He's had more game time than Ruffels, and after 2 goals in the B team this week I would get him in the first team squad for this weekend to give him some incentive to keep grafting and also help his self-belief. Where's folk getting his 2 goals from? Has he borrowed 1? 🙃🙃 I'm blaming hasta el pueblo for posting duff info
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 17:24:08 GMT 1
Typical arrogance by Hodgkinson. We should have signed him - another huge mistake; they preferred to sign the likes of Turton and Sanani. I hope they get the signings right in January, we're desperate for two quality players whose abilities are far in front of what we have now. Bullshit get your facts right before accusing him of arrogance and as a squad both turn on and sanami are decent members of it
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Post by Macduff on Oct 29, 2021 17:52:55 GMT 1
Typical arrogance by Hodgkinson. We should have signed him - another huge mistake; they preferred to sign the likes of Turton and Sanani. I hope they get the signings right in January, we're desperate for two quality players whose abilities are far in front of what we have now. Bullshit get your facts right before accusing him of arrogance and as a squad both turn on and sanami are decent members of it Bullshit get your players right before accusing others of bullshit.
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Post by softboy on Oct 29, 2021 18:05:22 GMT 1
Typical arrogance by Hodgkinson. We should have signed him - another huge mistake; they preferred to sign the likes of Turton and Sanani. I hope they get the signings right in January, we're desperate for two quality players whose abilities are far in front of what we have now. Are you saying because he does not seem ready to play at this level and could return to West Ham in January, Hodgkinson should have signed him on a 3 year contract whereby we could pay his wages and not play him. Not all loans work out, Smith Rowe and Chalobah did. Please explain the "arrogance bit, i'm confused.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 18:07:34 GMT 1
Typical arrogance by Hodgkinson. We should have signed him - another huge mistake; they preferred to sign the likes of Turton and Sanani. I hope they get the signings right in January, we're desperate for two quality players whose abilities are far in front of what we have now. Are you saying because he does not seem ready to play at this level and could return to West Ham in January, Hodgkinson should have signed him on a 3 year contract whereby we could pay his wages and not play him. Not all loans work out, Smith Rowe and Chalobah did. Please explain the "arrogance bit, i'm confused. He's not on about Mipo, he's on about Adebayo. Have a read
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 29, 2021 19:18:56 GMT 1
Debateable on whether Chalobah worked out. Few of us rated him until near the end of the season when the centre half that we were playing in midfield turned out to be our best right back.
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