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Post by Tinpot on Dec 6, 2021 14:12:11 GMT 1
Doesnt seem to be working out for him with us. Still think he can become a very good player, need to get a better loan deal in. Need to start winning games. What is it you've seen that makes you think he can become a very good player Presumably YouTube footage & reviews from coaches & fans at WHU.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 6, 2021 14:14:31 GMT 1
What is it you've seen that makes you think he can become a very good player Presumably YouTube footage & reviews from coaches & fans at WHU. But surely you would trust the evidence of seeing him in a town shirt that watching YouTube videos of west ham junior teams ? That's not to say he can't go on and be a player in future. Juat that we haven't seen any evidence of it so far
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 6, 2021 14:17:39 GMT 1
Presumably YouTube footage & reviews from coaches & fans at WHU. But surely you would trust the evidence of seeing him in a town shirt that watching YouTube videos of west ham junior teams ? That's not to say he can't go on and be a player in future. Juat that we haven't seen any evidence of it so far I've not seen much first team football from Brahima Diarra, but I still think he can become a very good player.
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 6, 2021 14:32:30 GMT 1
But surely you would trust the evidence of seeing him in a town shirt that watching YouTube videos of west ham junior teams ? That's not to say he can't go on and be a player in future. Juat that we haven't seen any evidence of it so far I've not seen much first team football from Brahima Diarra, but I still think he can become a very good player. He looks to have all the attributes to be a decent player. But the biggest attribute of all is desire. And from what little I have seen I would question that. Perhaps he wasn’t given a choice about coming here ( would seem strange) but he’s showed little interest when he’s actually got on the pitch.
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Post by bleaklow on Dec 6, 2021 15:25:34 GMT 1
He was awful when he came on at Barnsley - didn't put much effort into closing the opposition down, Campbell was doing it far better. It was a terrible substitution, leaving us with no threat upfront; we must have better players in the academy, otherwise the cupboard is bare. He must be sent back to West Ham in January, allowing us to bring in a combative, forward looking midfielder with goals in the tank - surely there's a loan player out there in the Premiership who would fill the bill. But Sinani also wants replacing with real quality, if we're to achieve a top 6 finish which, to me, should be the aim of any club in the Championship.
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Post by terryya on Dec 7, 2021 23:56:51 GMT 1
He was an absolute waste of space on Saturday. It wouldn't have made any difference at all if we'd just taken Campbell off and not brought on a replacement.
My daughter said the only good thing about him is his name, and I can't really disagree.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 8, 2021 1:23:57 GMT 1
Who knows if he'll ever be a good player. I dont think we've seen anything as yet to suggest he will in his brief appearances but at the same time you presumably dont get so far at a club like West Ham without having impressed people along the way. Particularly if the stories of them turning down a lot of money from us for him are true. What I would say though is its worrying that he doesnt seem to show any heart, desire or commitment to actually become this good player. .. certainly not going by his half assed, invisible performance for 35-40 minutes at Oakwell to add to the other brief appearances where he's had zero impact.
Ive not seen much of Harratt either, but the bits I have Ive seen a kid straining at the leash to get involved in games.
I look at the two players and the fact one is actually OUR player, and its mystifying that its the lad from West Ham thats getting the first team chance.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Dec 8, 2021 8:26:31 GMT 1
The lad needs to be playing games. Not for us. Probably League One would be a better option for him to progress. He has been very poor in his brief minutes on the pitch but it’s hard to judge a player based on 10 minutes and 20 minutes. Doesn’t seem to show the fight needed in this league, looks to me like he thinks he can just waltz around flicking it about, well that won’t work here lad. Time to move on and replace the jersey/wage.
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Post by bobrobterrier on Dec 8, 2021 11:00:09 GMT 1
He was left out of the Ireland U17 squad a few years ago for the World Cup and threw a tantrum, held a grudge and has been messing about since then refusing call ups and not declaring for us. Needs some character development
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Post by Skint Terriers on Dec 8, 2021 11:03:45 GMT 1
The lad needs to be playing games. Not for us. Probably League One would be a better option for him to progress. He has been very poor in his brief minutes on the pitch but it’s hard to judge a player based on 10 minutes and 20 minutes. Doesn’t seem to show the fight needed in this league, looks to me like he thinks he can just waltz around flicking it about, well that won’t work here lad. Time to move on and replace the jersey/wage. From what we've seen I think League One is too generous. Could maybe do a job for our friends down the road that are currently sat mid table in league 2
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Post by leytherterrier on Dec 8, 2021 11:33:12 GMT 1
He’s league 2 standard and maybe in a few years after scoring a bucket load in that league he will get a chance higher up the football ladder. There is a massive difference between scoring against players in your age group to playing against fully experienced players. The problem is academy’s now keep players till there 23 and they look good but once they get out into the real football world they actually aren’t that good. It’s like Jake Charles when he was here he scored for fun every week and is now playing non league, it’s just the levels between academy and first team
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 8, 2021 12:41:40 GMT 1
Who knows if he'll ever be a good player. I dont think we've seen anything as yet to suggest he will in his brief appearances but at the same time you presumably dont get so far at a club like West Ham without having impressed people along the way. Particularly if the stories of them turning down a lot of money from us for him are true. What I would say though is its worrying that he doesnt seem to show any heart, desire or commitment to actually become this good player. .. certainly not going by his half assed, invisible performance for 35-40 minutes at Oakwell to add to the other brief appearances where he's had zero impact. Ive not seen much of Harratt either, but the bits I have Ive seen a kid straining at the leash to get involved in games. I look at the two players and the fact one is actually OUR player, and its mystifying that its the lad from West Ham thats getting the first team chance. Agree with most of your post. The only reasons I can think of are that either Mipo looks better than Harratt in training or we're showing ourselves to be a good place for PL teams to send their youngsters because we'll give them more of a chance. Thing is, if it's the latter then I'm not even sure we're achieving that. I wouldn't be terribly impressed if I was a WHU fan (with a note that club officials may take a different view), and just saying we've put him ahead of one of our own promising youngsters wouldn't change that for me. Barring something spectacular in the next few weeks I'm hoping (for the sake of all parties including the player himself) that he goes back on Jan 1st.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 8, 2021 16:26:36 GMT 1
Yeah id be surprised if he doesn't. from his body language in his fleeting appearances he doesnt look like he wants to be here, and I doubt either club are seeing the value in the loan.
We keep hearing about this particularly promising group of youngsters we have coming through, so Im not sure what they make of it when the club loans in someone of a similar age from elsewhere and gives them 1st team chances ahead of them. Imagine its a bit demoralising especially when the kid in question does the square root of knack all with those 1st team chances.
We've got a lot of these PL loans right over recent years but think this one will go down as a waste of time and money.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 17:52:14 GMT 1
Yeah id be surprised if he doesn't. from his body language in his fleeting appearances he doesnt look like he wants to be here, and I doubt either club are seeing the value in the loan. We keep hearing about this particularly promising group of youngsters we have coming through, so Im not sure what they make of it when the club loans in someone of a similar age from elsewhere and gives them 1st team chances ahead of them. Imagine its a bit demoralising especially when the kid in question does the square root of knack all with those 1st team chances. We've got a lot of these PL loans right over recent years but think this one will go down as a waste of time and money. Also Sinani.
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Post by hammer2021 on Dec 10, 2021 10:11:08 GMT 1
Very interesting reading the comments and looks like best for all including young mipo that the loan deal is cut short on january1st, i read with interest the comments about work rate, at west ham we defend from the front, our manager wont entertain players who dont put in a shift, we sold haller because he didnt fit our system now hes banging in goals for fun at ajax. Last year when mipo was on our bench i wanted him to get minutes but clearly our manager knew he wasnt ready hence the loan, clearly your manager feels hes not ready yet, west ham currently lead premier 2 by 4 points, last night in europe we gave 5 academy players 20 and under a starting debut, including a 17 year old striker sonny perkins, mipo wont be anywhere near our first team at present, im not writing off an 18 year old kid who has scored for fun at youth level, but he has shown at this stage not ready for the championship right now, lets hope he is found another club in league one/two to gain experience and see how he matures with age, once again thanks for the feedback.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Dec 10, 2021 18:00:19 GMT 1
Very interesting reading the comments and looks like best for all including young mipo that the loan deal is cut short on january1st, i read with interest the comments about work rate, at west ham we defend from the front, our manager wont entertain players who dont put in a shift, we sold haller because he didnt fit our system now hes banging in goals for fun at ajax. Last year when mipo was on our bench i wanted him to get minutes but clearly our manager knew he wasnt ready hence the loan, clearly your manager feels hes not ready yet, west ham currently lead premier 2 by 4 points, last night in europe we gave 5 academy players 20 and under a starting debut, including a 17 year old striker sonny perkins, mipo wont be anywhere near our first team at present, im not writing off an 18 year old kid who has scored for fun at youth level, but he has shown at this stage not ready for the championship right now, lets hope he is found another club in league one/two to gain experience and see how he matures with age, once again thanks for the feedback. You do wonder how Mipo feels watching his contempories starting in a European game when he is struggling in the Championship. I think a return to West Ham in January and a discussion about how his future is managed is a priority. The very best of luck to the lad and to the Irons.
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 10, 2021 18:38:42 GMT 1
Very interesting reading the comments and looks like best for all including young mipo that the loan deal is cut short on january1st, i read with interest the comments about work rate, at west ham we defend from the front, our manager wont entertain players who dont put in a shift, we sold haller because he didnt fit our system now hes banging in goals for fun at ajax. Last year when mipo was on our bench i wanted him to get minutes but clearly our manager knew he wasnt ready hence the loan, clearly your manager feels hes not ready yet, west ham currently lead premier 2 by 4 points, last night in europe we gave 5 academy players 20 and under a starting debut, including a 17 year old striker sonny perkins, mipo wont be anywhere near our first team at present, im not writing off an 18 year old kid who has scored for fun at youth level, but he has shown at this stage not ready for the championship right now, lets hope he is found another club in league one/two to gain experience and see how he matures with age, once again thanks for the feedback. Strangely, for all that he's scarcely given him any game time, Carlos Corberan does speak very highly of Mipo. When he mentions the strikers at the club, he says that we have 4 (Rhodes, Ward & Campbell being the others). Mipo has done nothing of note in the first team, we have a youngster of our own (4 months older than Mipo) who is banging in the goals for fun at B team level & yet whilst Mipo gets occasional chances from the bench & is being talked up a lot, Harratt isn't spoken about in the same breath & hasn't even been an unused sub since CC arrived. Whether that's in any way related to our unsuccessful attempt to sign him on a permanent deal in the summer - maybe we see him as having a bright future, just not ready yet - I don't know. Certainly, as a stand-alone deal the loan hasn't (on the face of it) worked out for any party involved - but maybe we're still interested in a permanent deal for a player who isn't ready but we can see development potential in. It's a long shot & nothing more than an idle hypothesis, but it's the only way I can make sense of this situation.
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Post by boooothy on Dec 10, 2021 19:09:55 GMT 1
Not had many minutes but the in the minutes he has had he hasn’t made a single contribution.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Dec 10, 2021 19:13:31 GMT 1
Very interesting reading the comments and looks like best for all including young mipo that the loan deal is cut short on january1st, i read with interest the comments about work rate, at west ham we defend from the front, our manager wont entertain players who dont put in a shift, we sold haller because he didnt fit our system now hes banging in goals for fun at ajax. Last year when mipo was on our bench i wanted him to get minutes but clearly our manager knew he wasnt ready hence the loan, clearly your manager feels hes not ready yet, west ham currently lead premier 2 by 4 points, last night in europe we gave 5 academy players 20 and under a starting debut, including a 17 year old striker sonny perkins, mipo wont be anywhere near our first team at present, im not writing off an 18 year old kid who has scored for fun at youth level, but he has shown at this stage not ready for the championship right now, lets hope he is found another club in league one/two to gain experience and see how he matures with age, once again thanks for the feedback. Strangely, for all that he's scarcely given him any game time, Carlos Corberan does speak very highly of Mipo. When he mentions the strikers at the club, he says that we have 4 (Rhodes, Ward & Campbell being the others). Mipo has done nothing of note in the first team, we have a youngster of our own (4 months older than Mipo) who is banging in the goals for fun at B team level & yet whilst Mipo gets occasional chances from the bench & is being talked up a lot, Harratt isn't spoken about in the same breath & hasn't even been an unused sub since CC arrived. Whether that's in any way related to our unsuccessful attempt to sign him on a permanent deal in the summer - maybe we see him as having a bright future, just not ready yet - I don't know. Certainly, as a stand-alone deal the loan hasn't (on the face of it) worked out for any party involved - but maybe we're still interested in a permanent deal for a player who isn't ready but we can see development potential in. It's a long shot & nothing more than an idle hypothesis, but it's the only way I can make sense of this situation. I don't think Mipo sees himself like that though. He turned down the option to stay at Man U because he thought he had better options at West Ham. He is abmitious and has proved himself a very capable striker in youth teams. So much so he played twice for the first team and had a first team squad number at West Ham. I do not think he sees himself as a development opportunity for us but he has had no impact since coming to Town. I really do not know what is the best move for him but I don't think it will involve us.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Dec 10, 2021 19:14:15 GMT 1
Not had many minutes but the in the minutes he has had he hasn’t made a single contribution. Name a striker who has for us. The service is not great.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 4, 2022 12:05:01 GMT 1
Mipo had left the building
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Post by Floyds on Jan 4, 2022 12:16:12 GMT 1
Good.
You could tell straight away that he wasn't ready - whether it's the system we play and what we expect from a striker - or whether he's just not at the required level just yet. Probably a bit of both.
Hopefully we can replace him with another loan signing more akin to our centre back! Arsenal have a couple of promising strikers heading out on loan this January apparently...
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Post by orinoco on Jan 4, 2022 12:20:08 GMT 1
Best all round. Good luck to him.
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Post by dalesterrier on Jan 4, 2022 12:25:02 GMT 1
Good job we didn't buy him then!! 😬😬
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Post by westislandterrier on Jan 4, 2022 12:30:26 GMT 1
The beauty of the loan system... if it doesn’t work out send them back !
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 4, 2022 12:32:31 GMT 1
He may still end up being a very good striker but he didn't look ready for this level yet.
League 1/2 might be a better bet for him for the second half of the season.
Good luck to him.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 4, 2022 12:44:58 GMT 1
Shame, but some work and some don’t. Best for all concerned if he goes back and looks at a different option. Hope we get another loan to replace him. Colwill’s success should help us get other youngsters from Premiership clubs.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 4, 2022 12:45:28 GMT 1
waste of a loan. Shame.
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 4, 2022 12:59:57 GMT 1
Mipo had left the building You win some, you lose some…
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 4, 2022 13:02:00 GMT 1
Be a real waste if we don't at least try to bring in another striker ASAP..
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