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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 24, 2022 11:11:33 GMT 1
Money wins again eh Paul?
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 24, 2022 11:15:48 GMT 1
How was Eddie Howe getting on before the January transfer window and he started to then buy wins?. You know the Players signed because they are ambitious. Which of the new signings demolished Norwich yesterday?
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Apr 24, 2022 11:16:39 GMT 1
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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 24, 2022 11:16:39 GMT 1
How was Eddie Howe getting on before the January transfer window and he started to then buy wins?. You know the Players signed because they are ambitious. Which of the new signings demolished Norwich yesterday? Answer the question.
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Post by impact on Apr 24, 2022 11:21:31 GMT 1
How was Eddie Howe getting on before the January transfer window and he started to then buy wins?. You know the Players signed because they are ambitious. Which of the new signings demolished Norwich yesterday? Guimaraes for starters. But Town would destroy Norwich right now. They're terrible.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 24, 2022 11:22:22 GMT 1
Which of the new signings demolished Norwich yesterday? Answer the question. If you check the results you’ll see that he wasn’t actually doing that bad. They were already rooted to the bottom of the table. When he came they lost to Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal which is no embarrassment but picked up points elsewhere. So to answer the question, he didn’t do too bad. Teams can change form. Ill ask you a question. How were Forest doing at this same time?
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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 24, 2022 11:25:18 GMT 1
If you check the results you’ll see that he wasn’t actually doing that bad. They were already rooted to the bottom of the table. When he came they lost to Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal which is no embarrassment but picked up points elsewhere. So to answer the question, he didn’t do too bad. Teams can change form. Ill ask you a question. How were Forest doing at this same time? Copper has worked wonders with those Players, did he sign a load in January?. He may have, I am not sure.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 24, 2022 11:25:50 GMT 1
Which of the new signings demolished Norwich yesterday? Guimaraes for starters. But Town would destroy Norwich right now. They're terrible. The bulk of the team is the same. Im not disputing money changes things, of course it does. But the hostility towards the club because they have owners who have brass is just childish. And yes, you’re right, Norwich are terrible.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 24, 2022 11:27:53 GMT 1
If you check the results you’ll see that he wasn’t actually doing that bad. They were already rooted to the bottom of the table. When he came they lost to Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal which is no embarrassment but picked up points elsewhere. So to answer the question, he didn’t do too bad. Teams can change form. Ill ask you a question. How were Forest doing at this same time? Copper has worked wonders with those Players, did he sign a load in January?. He may have, I am not sure. That’s my point. Howe has done well too. Maybe 3 or 4 players that signed in January played yesterday, the scorers have been there a couple of years. Like I’ve just said, the money does change things and yes it’s obscene but it still comes with pressure and I just think Howe has done really well with the club.
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Post by paullow1 on Apr 24, 2022 11:30:42 GMT 1
There's obviously going to be anti Saudi hostility, to some extent Newcastle in general (deluded barcodes), and for some reason, Eddie Howe, hence this thread went from pages and pages when not going great, to the odd post here and there now, but Eddie has done an amazing job.
Obviously the 93m helped, it would be silly to say otherwise, but that isn't even that big, relatively, in this era, and as a fan you would have hoped they would pull clear of relegation eventually with maybe a game to spare, but when you consider the five signings consisted of an aforementioned 'bang average' striker, a loan LB from bottom half Villa, Brighton's 4th choice CB when Duffy, Dunk, and Webster are fit, and Trippier who has literally played 3 and a half matches prior to his injury - that shouldn't be yielding 10 wins from 14, or 32 points from the 15 matches in 2022, the most points out of anyone outside of Liverpool- that's incredible by just about anyone's standards, and Howe deserves far more than 'but, but, but 100m bloody money...'.
As for the top 10, our next fixtures are Liverpool (H), City (A), Arsenal (H), so that will be incredibly tough and 13/14th is more realistic, which would be incredible in itself considering we hadn't won in the first 14 matches, but it is amazjng searching 'Newcastle away' on Twitter and seeing a lot of Liverpool and Arsenal fans sweating and anxious, rather than the easy 3 points they'd usually be expecting.
I can understand a lot of away fans not happy, and being very keen to see it go wrong, but I don't really care, you'll have seen the contrast at SJP these days, and there's just a massive feel good factor at the whole club, and it's the best I've felt about my club for around 20 years.
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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 24, 2022 11:37:12 GMT 1
Guimaraes for starters. But Town would destroy Norwich right now. They're terrible. The bulk of the team is the same. Im not disputing money changes things, of course it does. But the hostility towards the club because they have owners who have brass is just childish. And yes, you’re right, Norwich are terrible. Great Managers make the most out of and get results from what they have to work with. Any average or even poor Manager can be given a bottomless pit budget wise and buy success.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 24, 2022 12:05:21 GMT 1
The bulk of the team is the same. Im not disputing money changes things, of course it does. But the hostility towards the club because they have owners who have brass is just childish. And yes, you’re right, Norwich are terrible. Great Managers make the most out of and get results from what they have to work with. Any average or even poor Manager can be given a bottomless pit budget wise and buy success. So by that mindset then, Guardiola, Klopp, Ancelotti etc are not great managers? They just happen to have great players so anyone could do that job?
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Apr 24, 2022 12:11:13 GMT 1
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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 24, 2022 12:11:13 GMT 1
Great Managers make the most out of and get results from what they have to work with. Any average or even poor Manager can be given a bottomless pit budget wise and buy success. So by that mindset then, Guardiola, Klopp, Ancelotti etc are not great managers? They just happen to have great players so anyone could do that job? The flip side to that argument is how would they get on at Scunthorpe or Oldham?. Exactly.
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Post by detox on Apr 24, 2022 12:13:45 GMT 1
There's obviously going to be anti Saudi hostility, to some extent Newcastle in general (deluded barcodes), and for some reason, Eddie Howe, hence this thread went from pages and pages when not going great, to the odd post here and there now, but Eddie has done an amazing job. Obviously the 93m helped, it would be silly to say otherwise, but that isn't even that big, relatively, in this era, and as a fan you would have hoped they would pull clear of relegation eventually with maybe a game to spare, but when you consider the five signings consisted of an aforementioned 'bang average' striker, a loan LB from bottom half Villa, Brighton's 4th choice CB when Duffy, Dunk, and Webster are fit, and Trippier who has literally played 3 and a half matches prior to his injury - that shouldn't be yielding 10 wins from 14, or 32 points from the 15 matches in 2022, the most points out of anyone outside of Liverpool- that's incredible by just about anyone's standards, and Howe deserves far more than 'but, but, but 100m bloody money...'. As for the top 10, our next fixtures are Liverpool (H), City (A), Arsenal (H), so that will be incredibly tough and 13/14th is more realistic, which would be incredible in itself considering we hadn't won in the first 14 matches, but it is amazjng searching 'Newcastle away' on Twitter and seeing a lot of Liverpool and Arsenal fans sweating and anxious, rather than the easy 3 points they'd usually be expecting. I can understand a lot of away fans not happy, and being very keen to see it go wrong, but I don't really care, you'll have seen the contrast at SJP these days, and there's just a massive feel good factor at the whole club, and it's the best I've felt about my club for around 20 years. there's many a club who've splashed £100m's over the years and not been able to get success, so yes it's a combination of a good manager and buying the right players to gel into a formidable unit..something man Utd could learn from. The best managers though (or coaches rather) are those that have a rag bag squad of freebies, loanees, Academy lads and spent less than £2m on 5 recruits from lower league and non league clubs and are 3rd in the Championship ?
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 24, 2022 12:21:56 GMT 1
So by that mindset then, Guardiola, Klopp, Ancelotti etc are not great managers? They just happen to have great players so anyone could do that job? The flip side to that argument is how would they get on at Scunthorpe or Oldham?. Exactly. Exactly 😂😂 Fair do’s mate. I’ve got a plastered ceiling going off so I’m going to have to earn my money and crack on. I will say though I personally believe Howe has done an incredible job.
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Post by Champers on Apr 24, 2022 12:42:37 GMT 1
Saw a stat yesterday of the last 15 PL games form
Liverpool...36pts Man City...36pts Newcastle...32pts Arsenal...28pts
Get the right players in the summer and Newcastle could well be knocking on the Champions League door as early as next season. Howe has done an incredible job so far.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 24, 2022 13:07:02 GMT 1
Saw a stat yesterday of the last 15 PL games form Liverpool...36pts Man City...36pts Newcastle...32pts Arsenal...28pts Get the right players in the summer and Newcastle could well be knocking on the Champions League door as early as next season. Howe has done an incredible job so far. If they go and spend £250m in the summer and are in the CL places next season, would that substantiate the argument that it’s money + Eddie Howe? I think Howe probably has done ok, but were the players affected by the owners as much as Steve Bruce? For me though, it’ll just be another club that’s got a huge washing machine at their disposal…
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 24, 2022 13:12:06 GMT 1
Howe has done a brilliant job
Howay the lads
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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 24, 2022 13:28:25 GMT 1
The flip side to that argument is how would they get on at Scunthorpe or Oldham?. Exactly. Exactly 😂😂 Fair do’s mate. I’ve got a plastered ceiling going off so I’m going to have to earn my money and crack on. I will say though I personally believe Howe has done an incredible job. Good to have some debate Joey!. Honestly, I don’t rate Howe at all. He whinged and wined about Covid and fixture pile-ups and this and that (all whilst not winning). Did we hear such as Bielsa doing the same?. No, he took responsibility and accountability for his Team’s results and performances and blamed nothing or nobody. Oh, and funnily enough, Howe has stopped his whining and whingeing, I wonder why that is. It might be they are now winning…….
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Apr 24, 2022 13:43:37 GMT 1
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 24, 2022 13:43:37 GMT 1
There's obviously going to be anti Saudi hostility, to some extent Newcastle in general (deluded barcodes), and for some reason, Eddie Howe, hence this thread went from pages and pages when not going great, to the odd post here and there now, but Eddie has done an amazing job. Obviously the 93m helped, it would be silly to say otherwise, but that isn't even that big, relatively, in this era, and as a fan you would have hoped they would pull clear of relegation eventually with maybe a game to spare, but when you consider the five signings consisted of an aforementioned 'bang average' striker, a loan LB from bottom half Villa, Brighton's 4th choice CB when Duffy, Dunk, and Webster are fit, and Trippier who has literally played 3 and a half matches prior to his injury - that shouldn't be yielding 10 wins from 14, or 32 points from the 15 matches in 2022, the most points out of anyone outside of Liverpool- that's incredible by just about anyone's standards, and Howe deserves far more than 'but, but, but 100m bloody money...'. As for the top 10, our next fixtures are Liverpool (H), City (A), Arsenal (H), so that will be incredibly tough and 13/14th is more realistic, which would be incredible in itself considering we hadn't won in the first 14 matches, but it is amazjng searching 'Newcastle away' on Twitter and seeing a lot of Liverpool and Arsenal fans sweating and anxious, rather than the easy 3 points they'd usually be expecting. I can understand a lot of away fans not happy, and being very keen to see it go wrong, but I don't really care, you'll have seen the contrast at SJP these days, and there's just a massive feel good factor at the whole club, and it's the best I've felt about my club for around 20 years. The immediate danger for you lot is the dafter side of your fan base expecting this form to carry on into the first half of next season and sulking when it inevitably doesn’t. Cos it just won’t will it, even if/when you throw down another £100m in the summer. The next stage of your development is probably nailing down 9th to 7th over the course of a full season.
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Post by paullow1 on Apr 24, 2022 15:30:25 GMT 1
There's obviously going to be anti Saudi hostility, to some extent Newcastle in general (deluded barcodes), and for some reason, Eddie Howe, hence this thread went from pages and pages when not going great, to the odd post here and there now, but Eddie has done an amazing job. Obviously the 93m helped, it would be silly to say otherwise, but that isn't even that big, relatively, in this era, and as a fan you would have hoped they would pull clear of relegation eventually with maybe a game to spare, but when you consider the five signings consisted of an aforementioned 'bang average' striker, a loan LB from bottom half Villa, Brighton's 4th choice CB when Duffy, Dunk, and Webster are fit, and Trippier who has literally played 3 and a half matches prior to his injury - that shouldn't be yielding 10 wins from 14, or 32 points from the 15 matches in 2022, the most points out of anyone outside of Liverpool- that's incredible by just about anyone's standards, and Howe deserves far more than 'but, but, but 100m bloody money...'. As for the top 10, our next fixtures are Liverpool (H), City (A), Arsenal (H), so that will be incredibly tough and 13/14th is more realistic, which would be incredible in itself considering we hadn't won in the first 14 matches, but it is amazjng searching 'Newcastle away' on Twitter and seeing a lot of Liverpool and Arsenal fans sweating and anxious, rather than the easy 3 points they'd usually be expecting. I can understand a lot of away fans not happy, and being very keen to see it go wrong, but I don't really care, you'll have seen the contrast at SJP these days, and there's just a massive feel good factor at the whole club, and it's the best I've felt about my club for around 20 years. The immediate danger for you lot is the dafter side of your fan base expecting this form to carry on into the first half of next season and sulking when it inevitably doesn’t. Cos it just won’t will it, even if/when you throw down another £100m in the summer. The next stage of your development is probably nailing down 9th to 7th over the course of a full season. I've always said 8th-10th would be a very good follow up season next season, and that's not like struggling most of the season, and winning a few games at the end to get to a loftier position, just pretty comfortable with no relegation fears, like a Villa / Leeds last season, or just a bit worse than Wolves this season etc. and with the right draw, possibly prioritise a cup run, and then just continue to push on a bit year on year. There may be a few with ideas above their stations, but most of those I've communicated with whether at work, out and about, or on social media, seem to have a similar mindset. I think the fact we've had one season in the top 6 / Europe in the past 17 years or so has definitely helped in that respect.
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Post by paullow1 on Apr 24, 2022 15:50:40 GMT 1
Saw a stat yesterday of the last 15 PL games form Liverpool...36pts Man City...36pts Newcastle...32pts Arsenal...28pts Get the right players in the summer and Newcastle could well be knocking on the Champions League door as early as next season. Howe has done an incredible job so far. Yours is more reflective, but mine looks better , but that's the 2022 league table thus far. The signings have obviously contributed, as has the whole mood around the club, as you can particularly see from that impressive home form (6 wins in a row), but Howe has been a massive factor, and contrary to some of the prior posts, it is one hell of an upgrade from the previous manager. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 17:23:36 GMT 1
I quite like Howe - he did an incredible job at Bournemouth. Don't blame him for a second for shying away from the circus that's the Celtic job, and that short stint at Burnley was just an anomaly.
But no offence to paullow1, who's a good poster - but the modern day Newcastle are an abomination.
I've always been a bit apprehensive about the adulation for them - some sort of mythical status, because they have passionate fans - what team doesn't?
But if a club's owners literally, allegedly, slaughter journalists and chop them into pieces - then I'm sorry, but I just can't feel anything other than contempt for them. Ashley was a prick, but as far as I'm aware his shoddy treatment of his business' staff didn't extend to decapitation. But then, I've never had an exit interview at Sports Direct.
Christ, I hate modern football. Gulf states, despotic regimes, Chinese conglomerates, American hedge funds, "investment vehicles", murderous Thai dictators, Israeli arms dealers, asset strippers - where does it end?
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Post by Bigcolquaner on Apr 24, 2022 18:52:57 GMT 1
You can kid yourself that the huge investment by a disgusting owner hasn't saved your skin but you cant kid the rest of us.
Nothing personal by the way I'm sure you're a nice fella and I enjoy the fact you post here.
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Post by sabailand on Apr 24, 2022 18:55:39 GMT 1
Wish it was us.
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Post by paullow1 on Apr 24, 2022 19:45:52 GMT 1
It's an interesting one. You'll obviously get the inevitable 'I'd turn my back if it happened to us' posts, and some may well, especially if they work in the Amnesty Intl type industry, but largely, you'll never really know until it actually happens to your club. There will be the stereotypical posts like 'they're backward up there', but in reality, the people of Newcastle, or the North East aren't really any different to other parts of the country, and while there will be one or two who may well have walked away since October, for every one, there will be at least 10 coming back, or be fully invested in the club again, and it's largely been accepted, as I'm personally sure it would by the vast majority of fans at the vast majority of English clubs. It's obviously controversial, and a natural easy target for away fans, but fans can't hand pick who run their club, and while maybe not to quite the same extend, there's controversial money throughout football, especially the very top end, and just from a fan's perspective, they've largely been spot on since they've come in - UK based presence with Amanda, her hubby, and the Reubens, always at the matches, say the right things, and St James' Park really is an amazing place to be at the moment, as some will have seen if they watch the matches on TV. Sportswashing or not, I honestly can't describe the contrast in the club at all levels since October - excellent social media presence, communications, buzzing atmosphere, competent manager, ambition, a nightmare getting tickets, a couple of exciting signings with more to follow, the type we've not seen for around 15/20 years. On matchday, it's everything I'd want my club to be, and I'm very excited to see what follows, even if I can simultaneously see why those external won't like it.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Apr 24, 2022 20:26:34 GMT 1
The bulk of the team is the same. Im not disputing money changes things, of course it does. But the hostility towards the club because they have owners who have brass is just childish. And yes, you’re right, Norwich are terrible. Great Managers make the most out of and get results from what they have to work with. Any average or even poor Manager can be given a bottomless pit budget wise and buy success. Ermn Old Trafford?
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Post by paullow1 on Apr 24, 2022 20:38:22 GMT 1
Everton as well. £561m spent since 2016, £30-£50m players dotted all over the pitch, yet look where they are, and no manager can seem to get a tune out of them. They were 9 points clear of Newcastle in November, could have maybe been even more at another stage, and now they are 14 points behind - at least a 23 point swing.
That's one blueprint that we would certainly want to avoid, but at the same time, while they have clearly invested heavily, I never really saw them as a 'project' like you would a Chelsea, Man City, PSG, but it just shows you can throw money at things, and still make a pigs ear of it.
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Post by bluebeard on Apr 24, 2022 22:31:59 GMT 1
Everton as well. £561m spent since 2016, £30-£50m players dotted all over the pitch, yet look where they are, and no manager can seem to get a tune out of them. They were 9 points clear of Newcastle in November, could have maybe been even more at another stage, and now they are 14 points behind - at least a 23 point swing. That's one blueprint that we would certainly want to avoid, but at the same time, while they have clearly invested heavily, I never really saw them as a 'project' like you would a Chelsea, Man City, PSG, but it just shows you can throw money at things, and still make a pigs ear of it. That's just crazy money wasted.
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Post by Orinoco on Apr 25, 2022 19:10:43 GMT 1
Everton as well. £561m spent since 2016, £30-£50m players dotted all over the pitch, yet look where they are, and no manager can seem to get a tune out of them. They were 9 points clear of Newcastle in November, could have maybe been even more at another stage, and now they are 14 points behind - at least a 23 point swing. That's one blueprint that we would certainly want to avoid, but at the same time, while they have clearly invested heavily, I never really saw them as a 'project' like you would a Chelsea, Man City, PSG, but it just shows you can throw money at things, and still make a pigs ear of it. That's just crazy money wasted. If Newcastle didnt have the cash to splash in Jan, they still be in bottom 3 no doubt, just underlines everything that is wrong with the modern day game.
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Post by Wingman on Apr 25, 2022 19:26:32 GMT 1
It's an interesting one. You'll obviously get the inevitable 'I'd turn my back if it happened to us' posts, and some may well, especially if they work in the Amnesty Intl type industry, but largely, you'll never really know until it actually happens to your club. There will be the stereotypical posts like 'they're backward up there', but in reality, the people of Newcastle, or the North East aren't really any different to other parts of the country, and while there will be one or two who may well have walked away since October, for every one, there will be at least 10 coming back, or be fully invested in the club again, and it's largely been accepted, as I'm personally sure it would by the vast majority of fans at the vast majority of English clubs. It's obviously controversial, and a natural easy target for away fans, but fans can't hand pick who run their club, and while maybe not to quite the same extend, there's controversial money throughout football, especially the very top end, and just from a fan's perspective, they've largely been spot on since they've come in - UK based presence with Amanda, her hubby, and the Reubens, always at the matches, say the right things, and St James' Park really is an amazing place to be at the moment, as some will have seen if they watch the matches on TV. Sportswashing or not, I honestly can't describe the contrast in the club at all levels since October - excellent social media presence, communications, buzzing atmosphere, competent manager, ambition, a nightmare getting tickets, a couple of exciting signings with more to follow, the type we've not seen for around 15/20 years. On matchday, it's everything I'd want my club to be, and I'm very excited to see what follows, even if I can simultaneously see why those external won't like it. Without getting into the politics of the ownership change, this is a balanced and fair post. Although not in the same ballpark in terms of funds and ‘background’ shall we say, Town fans were excited when Barry Rubery took over. That went well for about a year then the arse fell out. So, enjoy it whilst you have it and let’s hope it’s all above board investment. Huge potential at Newcastle, it’s really about harnessing it.
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