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Post by paullow1 on Apr 25, 2022 20:56:20 GMT 1
That's just crazy money wasted. If Newcastle didnt have the cash to splash in Jan, they still be in bottom 3 no doubt, just underlines everything that is wrong with the modern day game. You're right. It's disgraceful that a club who only made a 2020/2021 loan signing permanent in the summer had the sheer audacity to bring in a few players in one of the two dedicated windows per season. Shocking stuff when you think about it.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 25, 2022 21:01:23 GMT 1
If Newcastle didnt have the cash to splash in Jan, they still be in bottom 3 no doubt, just underlines everything that is wrong with the modern day game. You're right. It's disgraceful that a club who only made a 2020/2021 loan signing permanent in the summer had the sheer audacity to bring in a few players in one of the two dedicated windows per season. Shocking stuff when you think about it. I think many of out fans feel that fans of a top 5 club should be grateful for hanging around at the bottom of the league every year
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Post by paullow1 on Apr 25, 2022 21:01:30 GMT 1
It's an interesting one. You'll obviously get the inevitable 'I'd turn my back if it happened to us' posts, and some may well, especially if they work in the Amnesty Intl type industry, but largely, you'll never really know until it actually happens to your club. There will be the stereotypical posts like 'they're backward up there', but in reality, the people of Newcastle, or the North East aren't really any different to other parts of the country, and while there will be one or two who may well have walked away since October, for every one, there will be at least 10 coming back, or be fully invested in the club again, and it's largely been accepted, as I'm personally sure it would by the vast majority of fans at the vast majority of English clubs. It's obviously controversial, and a natural easy target for away fans, but fans can't hand pick who run their club, and while maybe not to quite the same extend, there's controversial money throughout football, especially the very top end, and just from a fan's perspective, they've largely been spot on since they've come in - UK based presence with Amanda, her hubby, and the Reubens, always at the matches, say the right things, and St James' Park really is an amazing place to be at the moment, as some will have seen if they watch the matches on TV. Sportswashing or not, I honestly can't describe the contrast in the club at all levels since October - excellent social media presence, communications, buzzing atmosphere, competent manager, ambition, a nightmare getting tickets, a couple of exciting signings with more to follow, the type we've not seen for around 15/20 years. On matchday, it's everything I'd want my club to be, and I'm very excited to see what follows, even if I can simultaneously see why those external won't like it. Without getting into the politics of the ownership change, this is a balanced and fair post. Although not in the same ballpark in terms of funds and ‘background’ shall we say, Town fans were excited when Barry Rubery took over. That went well for about a year then the arse fell out. So, enjoy it whilst you have it and let’s hope it’s all above board investment. Huge potential at Newcastle, it’s really about harnessing it. Ah yeah, I'm aware that it could go t1ts up pretty quickly, especially the way the world is at the moment, so I'm certainly not taking anything for granted, but for now, I am excited about the club having a bit of ambition / life again, and having the chance to, within time, even dream about top 6 finishes again, and European nights, which were a regular thing for me between the ages of 7 and 19, but obviously, bar one great season, generally a million miles away these past 15 or so years.
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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 25, 2022 21:07:09 GMT 1
I feel sorry for Newcastle fans, I really do. The club they support has sold it's soul and any and every bit of ethical and moral fibre the club ever had. They may go on to win some trophies and or titles in the future and I use the word 'win' loosely. Their fans and any fans of any Club anywhere in the world know that they will have bought these trophies, like you buy a can of beans at the supermarket. Where is the true sense of achievement here?, there isn't any. The once proud Club that was Newcastle United have been reduced to somebodies toy, somebodies that behead and torture People. Yet their fans walk around in Saudi clobber!!!! ?. There must be something in the water up there, thick as. Anyway, they are welcome to it.
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Post by bobrobterrier on Apr 25, 2022 21:17:05 GMT 1
I feel sorry for Newcastle fans, I really do. The club they support has sold it's soul and any and every bit of ethical and moral fibre the club ever had. They may go on to win some trophies and or titles in the future and I use the word 'win' loosely. Their fans and any fans of any Club anywhere in the world know that they will have bought these trophies, like you buy a can of beans at the supermarket. Where is the true sense of achievement here?, there isn't any. The once proud Club that was Newcastle United have been reduced to somebodies toy, somebodies that behead and torture People. Yet their fans walk around in Saudi clobber!!!! ?. There must be something in the water up there, thick as. Anyway, they are welcome to it. Disrespectful post. You can have an opinion and put it across in a respectful manner. I wonder if they bought us how you’d react. I’m sure you’d sit out Huddersfield Town in the Champions League final
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 25, 2022 21:17:53 GMT 1
Well said
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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 25, 2022 21:23:12 GMT 1
I feel sorry for Newcastle fans, I really do. The club they support has sold it's soul and any and every bit of ethical and moral fibre the club ever had. They may go on to win some trophies and or titles in the future and I use the word 'win' loosely. Their fans and any fans of any Club anywhere in the world know that they will have bought these trophies, like you buy a can of beans at the supermarket. Where is the true sense of achievement here?, there isn't any. The once proud Club that was Newcastle United have been reduced to somebodies toy, somebodies that behead and torture People. Yet their fans walk around in Saudi clobber!!!! ?. There must be something in the water up there, thick as. Anyway, they are welcome to it. Disrespectful post. You can have an opinion and put it across in a respectful manner. I wonder if they bought us how you’d react. I’m sure you’d sit out Huddersfield Town in the Champions League final I wouldn't go with murderers money. Are you a wum?. You cannot be a Town fan if you are on here asking another Town fan about Champions league finals FFS.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 25, 2022 21:26:08 GMT 1
The Newcastle fans weren't given the choice . That tends not to vmbe how football ownership works lol
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Post by sabailand on Apr 25, 2022 21:34:24 GMT 1
I feel sorry for Newcastle fans, I really do. The club they support has sold it's soul and any and every bit of ethical and moral fibre the club ever had. They may go on to win some trophies and or titles in the future and I use the word 'win' loosely. Their fans and any fans of any Club anywhere in the world know that they will have bought these trophies, like you buy a can of beans at the supermarket. Where is the true sense of achievement here?, there isn't any. The once proud Club that was Newcastle United have been reduced to somebodies toy, somebodies that behead and torture People. Yet their fans walk around in Saudi clobber!!!! ?. There must be something in the water up there, thick as. Anyway, they are welcome to it. Disrespectful post. You can have an opinion and put it across in a respectful manner. I wonder if they bought us how you’d react. I’m sure you’d sit out Huddersfield Town in the Champions League final Have to remember Morley dosnt even want town to get promotion, and as much as i agree with him on other things i've never been able to get my head around this.
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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 25, 2022 21:45:23 GMT 1
Disrespectful post. You can have an opinion and put it across in a respectful manner. I wonder if they bought us how you’d react. I’m sure you’d sit out Huddersfield Town in the Champions League final Have to remember Morley dosnt even want town to get promotion, and as much as i agree with him on other things i've never been able to get my head around this. Thanks Sabailand. I know I am on my own here but you know my thoughts about the greedy League and the money sloshing around in it. I despise the Premier League and would hate Town to be taken over by any billionaires and buy supposed success. I would be at Ossett United!.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 25, 2022 21:55:38 GMT 1
Newcastle, just the latest in an ever growing list of clubs who may/will gain success by taking advantage of a ridiculously slanted playing field that exists in the modern day.
In context, there will be plenty of clubs who see Town as a club that have bought success.
Money tends to ruin sport, as a true sporting competition.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Apr 25, 2022 22:10:55 GMT 1
Someone told me today that Everton have spent 560 million in six season's, nothing short of madness.
Newcastle will be a top ten side and maybe win the League or F A Cup but nothing else, no one else can touch Man City or Liverpool.
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Post by Orinoco on Apr 25, 2022 22:38:08 GMT 1
Have to remember Morley dosnt even want town to get promotion, and as much as i agree with him on other things i've never been able to get my head around this. Thanks Sabailand. I know I am on my own here but you know my thoughts about the greedy League and the money sloshing around in it. I despise the Premier League and would hate Town to be taken over by any billionaires and buy supposed success. I would be at Ossett United!. You aint on your own, despise the greedy league also, but if Town get there and can take some money out of it why not, take your opportunities whilst you can!!.
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Post by Rambo on Apr 26, 2022 7:53:01 GMT 1
Have to remember Morley dosnt even want town to get promotion, and as much as i agree with him on other things i've never been able to get my head around this. Thanks Sabailand. I know I am on my own here but you know my thoughts about the greedy League and the money sloshing around in it. I despise the Premier League and would hate Town to be taken over by any billionaires and buy supposed success. I would be at Ossett United!. Albion or Town yes, but United???
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Post by Rambo on Apr 26, 2022 7:53:50 GMT 1
Someone told me today that Everton have spent 560 million in six season's, nothing short of madness. Newcastle will be a top ten side and maybe win the League or F A Cup but nothing else, no one else can touch Man City or Liverpool. Maybe we will see.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 26, 2022 8:09:25 GMT 1
Lol. Bobrob is no WUM. One of my favorite posters on here.
But I have to say I do get Morley's point to an extent. Morality is a big part of my enjoyment of being a Town fan. I'm not a "success at all costs" type. The breakfast clubs, P4P, togetherness with players and fans made the "Wagner revolution" special as much as the success on the pitch. Conversely, the fact that a reprehensible individual like Danny Simpson helped us stay up two years ago still sticks in the craw.
Some of my best memories as a Town fan came in the third tier. In contrast, some of the stuff at the top level seems to me to be a bit corporate and soulless. That's not to say that necessarily applies at Newcastle, but whilst we all want our club to be successful, for me I'm more impressed by things being done the right way.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 26, 2022 8:41:33 GMT 1
Quite funny that there will have been some supporters who will have cited one of the reasons Ashley had to go, was because of his business operations & how he treated staff. I can’t say for certain of course, but when you’re that hell bent on getting rid, you’ll rack up all the reasons to make your argument stronger.
I wonder if those same fans are comfortable with the human rights side of their new owners? Ashley wasn’t a particularly nice bloke anyway, but he’s like Mother Teresa when compared with the current mob. The new board are obviously just figureheads of course, who are there to bond with the fans.
Anyway, it’s not going to change the way the PL operates for the foreseeable. They’ll be loving the fact that they have a new and seriously loaded contender to add to their marketing brochures.
Newcastle do have a great hardcore of support, you can’t take that away from them, but they’ve just become another real life subbutteo game, that does nothing for the integrity of the sport.
I’d love Town to get promoted to the PL, but it will always be a tainted league for me. The sooner the money fecks off to a European SL the better. Town and a few other clubs have proven that there’s still a decent competition to be had without pumping tons of money into playing staff.
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Post by Orinoco on Apr 26, 2022 9:49:07 GMT 1
Great post Atlantis👍
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Post by halifaxterrier9 on Apr 26, 2022 10:06:55 GMT 1
Disrespectful post. You can have an opinion and put it across in a respectful manner. I wonder if they bought us how you’d react. I’m sure you’d sit out Huddersfield Town in the Champions League final Have to remember Morley dosnt even want town to get promotion, and as much as i agree with him on other things i've never been able to get my head around this. I can see a point though. Although I want the best for the club,stability with money and playing the big teams, the last time we were there we had one good season and the final one was horrendous and just knackered us with shite players, coaching, losing, negativity etc. I like fighting the top end of this league and a good vibe around the club. Getting spanked every other week or not winning for 2 months does make ya weekend shite, no matter if its in the Prem
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Post by Torquayterrier on Apr 26, 2022 10:15:13 GMT 1
Someone told me today that Everton have spent 560 million in six season's, nothing short of madness. Newcastle will be a top ten side and maybe win the League or F A Cup but nothing else, no one else can touch Man City or Liverpool. Yet at one time they must have been one of the most shrewdly run financially. I'm sure I read somewhere that by the time Moyes left his net spend for all the seasons he had been there was about 11 million. At somepoint after that they must have conciously decided to chase the dream a bit and it has failed spectacularly.
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Post by sabailand on Apr 26, 2022 10:43:43 GMT 1
Someone told me today that Everton have spent 560 million in six season's, nothing short of madness. Newcastle will be a top ten side and maybe win the League or F A Cup but nothing else, no one else can touch Man City or Liverpool. Yet at one time they must have been one of the most shrewdly run financially. I'm sure I read somewhere that by the time Moyes left his net spend for all the seasons he had been there was about 11 million. At somepoint after that they must have conciously decided to chase the dream a bit and it has failed spectacularly. Whats also ironic is the fact a lot of Everton fans didnt want Sam Allerdyce at the club, at best they were unenthusisatic about his appointment, they finished eighth under him and the succession of managers after hasn't seen an improvement, now look at the state of them, they are in a right mess and are in with a real chance of going down, a perefct example of be carefull what you wish for. I've nothing against Everton at all, but some of the people at Everton and some the supporters are idiots.
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Post by Wingman on Apr 26, 2022 11:48:46 GMT 1
Without getting into the politics of the ownership change, this is a balanced and fair post. Although not in the same ballpark in terms of funds and ‘background’ shall we say, Town fans were excited when Barry Rubery took over. That went well for about a year then the arse fell out. So, enjoy it whilst you have it and let’s hope it’s all above board investment. Huge potential at Newcastle, it’s really about harnessing it. Ah yeah, I'm aware that it could go t1ts up pretty quickly, especially the way the world is at the moment, so I'm certainly not taking anything for granted, but for now, I am excited about the club having a bit of ambition / life again, and having the chance to, within time, even dream about top 6 finishes again, and European nights, which were a regular thing for me between the ages of 7 and 19, but obviously, bar one great season, generally a million miles away these past 15 or so years. For the reasonable and balanced fans like yourself, I wish your lot well and hope you enjoy it. I think some resentment is aimed at those 'lording it' over everyone already; it's just not something that sits well with other clubs fans is it. As I say, huge potential up your way, and maybe in a few years you could be upsetting the apple cart like Keegan's era nearly did?
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Post by Amigo on Apr 26, 2022 13:03:10 GMT 1
I'm not an Eddie Howe fan by any stretch but am I right in saying they actually bought 4 players in January? Some of the comments make it sound like they got a new team but, one of those 4 has hardly played, Guimaraes does look a good player (although I think has only started 7 games?) and is one they wouldn't have got without the money but the other 2 are Chris Wood and Dan Burn, 2 players who you would look at and think any relegation threatened side might take a punt on as a last throw of the dice to stay up, they aren't world beaters and their price tags will have been inflated because of the money available, other teams would have got them for less. Then Matt Targett on loan, who fits in to the Wood/Burn category of signings.
To get that team performing how they are now to what they were is a pretty decent achievement.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Apr 26, 2022 13:08:54 GMT 1
Thanks Sabailand. I know I am on my own here but you know my thoughts about the greedy League and the money sloshing around in it. I despise the Premier League and would hate Town to be taken over by any billionaires and buy supposed success. I would be at Ossett United!. Albion or Town yes, but United??? Albion and Town merged a few years ago to make United.
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Post by paullow1 on Apr 26, 2022 13:12:47 GMT 1
I'm not an Eddie Howe fan by any stretch but am I right in saying they actually bought 4 players in January? Some of the comments make it sound like they got a new team but, one of those 4 has hardly played, Guimaraes does look a good player (although I think has only started 7 games?) and is one they wouldn't have got without the money but the other 2 are Chris Wood and Dan Burn, 2 players who you would look at and think any relegation threatened side might take a punt on as a last throw of the dice to stay up, they aren't world beaters and their price tags will have been inflated because of the money available, other teams would have got them for less. Then Matt Targett on loan, who fits in to the Wood/Burn category of signings. To get that team performing how they are now to what they were is a pretty decent achievement. Yep, that's right 4 permanent, and Targett on loan. Trippier has played 3.5 of the 15 league games since he arrived (23%) but was obviously very effective in those few matches and got the winner vs Villa. Wood, Burn, and Targett would be realistic signings for most teams in the bottom half, and Bruno is excellent as you say, but couldn't get a game for the first 6 because Joelinton, Shelvey, and Willock was keeping him out, but he has been great these past 4 or 5 games. You'd think those signings could have saw them pull away from the Norwich's and Watford's and maybe saved themselves with a game to go, possibly by avoiding defeat vs Burnley on the last day, and there was obviously going to be investment anyway, but to win 10 of the last 14, get to 43 points with 4 games to spare, and take more points in 2022 so far than the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, and Man Utd, is nothing short of phenomenal. Things can sharp change, but for now, he's done an unbelievable job.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 26, 2022 13:33:05 GMT 1
Paul, is there any suggestion that players have been financially incentivised by the new owners, to improve their performances?
What’s changed so dramatically? Style of play, training methods, money, or a combination of these things?
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Post by crux on Apr 26, 2022 13:44:30 GMT 1
Paul, is there any suggestion that players have been financially incentivised by the new owners, to improve their performances? What’s changed so dramatically? Style of play, training methods, money, or a combination of these things? Unless the rules have changed, any bonus schemes have to be registered at the start of the season. Although an end of season holiday might be possible.
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Post by Norn Iron Terrier on Apr 26, 2022 13:47:57 GMT 1
Strange one for me, agree with most points regarding competition and money. The champions league locks money and buying players into a closed shop. The more that compete with that bunch the better. Hope Newcastle crack it, but with the money they may spend it's one less team in contention for relegation and more of a closed shop at the top and less teams scrapping for the bottom 3. Hope the money helps other aspects of a football club, cheap tickets, better match day experience, more local charity work all whilst sealing long term financial security for the club. (Hopefully similar to Town in this regard although we had a wobble financially recently)
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Post by paullow1 on Apr 26, 2022 22:32:29 GMT 1
Paul, is there any suggestion that players have been financially incentivised by the new owners, to improve their performances? What’s changed so dramatically? Style of play, training methods, money, or a combination of these things? I'm not aware of any incentives, but who knows what's been discussed behind the scenes. I think it comes down to 3 things - manager, signings, and just general overall mood, like a cloud has been lifted. Trippier and Bruno have literally never played a single minute in the same team, so we've never had more than 4 new players at any given time, and the other 3 are either bottom half standard, or mid table at best, BUT, as you'd hope, we've strengthened in areas that obviously needed improving. LB was a problem area, Lewis (who has since had an operation) was playing with a groin problem earlier in the season, and we even had Matt Ritchie filling in there, so Targett has come in and been very solid. Lascelles has struggled for a while, so Burn coming in has really helped, and while Wood is a clear downgrade on Wilson, so we are weaker up front than in the first half of the season, it was essential that we brought in a striker, even if we did pay well over the odds. I know some think Bruce got some unfair stick, but the sheer contrast really is startling, as WBA fans are finding out - westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=26689.1625. The players are MUCH fitter (and quicker), much more organised, look like they actually know what they are doing, and we are so good without the ball, and very solid defensively - we have only conceded 13 goals in the last 15, and five of those were at Spurs, which hopefully was an anomaly, and Dubravka often doesn't have too much to do, whereas in prior seasons he would often be MOTM. There clearly has been a great spirit installed, as nobody seems to have kicked off when out of favour, and are always there to do a job when called upon, something Sean Longstaff, who has hardly featured, touched upon - www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/eddie-howe-newcastle-united-bruce-23772137 (excuse the awful website). Current players have really stepped up and taken their chance when called upon, some who are decent players like Schaar, Shelvey, Fraser etc. who were underperforming but have previously played well in the PL, but he's also getting a tune out of the likes of Kraft. Joelinton has obviously been a revelation, and a key driver of the upturn, but I'm not sure what category he would fall into. The players mention constant one to one working with the coaches, and Howe does seem to be the first one there, and the last to leave, and you can just tell he has an incredible work ethic. Possibly just buzz words, but it also really does come across that he actually feels privileged to manage Newcastle United, and 'gets' the club and city already. And finally, while I'm sure the JSS is also a great place to be at the moment, the change in mood / atmosphere / even bums on seats at SJP can't be underestimated. It sounds a cliche, but every match seems like an event now (and I can only get the odd ticket here and there), people want to arrive early, and really look forward to games, whereas before many would just be going for the sake of it / get out of the house, and providing the odd Ashley Out chant at best, and just general apathy. SJP is finally a place where the players want to play again, and away teams know it's no longer a soft touch, and we've now won 6 in a row there, and won 7 and drawn 4 of Howe's 12 matches there, the only (league) loss being against Man City. Most of our wins have been by the odd goal, and some fine margins involved, so it may well be hard to maintain, and more signings will be certainly be needed to push on further, but the football definitely feels a lot more sustainable now than in previous seasons, and in many cases, you often go into games actually thinking you have a good chance to win, which should be normal, but it's pretty surreal. I guess there's a lot of waffle and long winded stuff there, but ultimately, those 3 things combined really have transformed the entire club.
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Post by mrbluesky on Apr 26, 2022 22:48:04 GMT 1
Hi Paul ,
Enjoy your posts on here so many thanks.
Could I ask for your thoughts/opinion on Rolando Aarons …… we signed the lad from Newcastle what seems like an age ago now and due to multiple injuries we haven’t seen anything like enough of him to know if he is a good player or not ……. I know he didn’t play vast amounts in your first team but did you see enough of him to give an opinion ?
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