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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Mar 3, 2023 11:56:50 GMT 1
Theyre benefiting from Saudi money though and isnt that what the moral issue is here? Depending on a persons political standpoint, I doubt there are many countries that dont have regimes that cant be accused of some pretty bad things, including the UK. They are not just benefiting from Saudi Money - they are owned by them. That’s the issue here. Newcastle Utd are in effect the Saudi Regime. Should never have passed the fit and proper test. These Nations are not supposed to be allowed to own English football clubs. And if you go down the route of it doesn’t matter then presumably you would have been OK for Fred West to own a club if he had the resources? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 12:17:14 GMT 1
Didnt they prove that it isnt the Saudi regime that are owning the club in order to pass those tests?
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 12:23:28 GMT 1
I dont think its right that any club is effectively owned by a nation state by the way, regardless of what that state is accused / guilty of.
But I thought they'd shown that whilst this individual might be a member of the Saudi Regime ( which id imagine is complex and large ) it isnt the regime that has bought the club?
In the same way if a billionaire US senator had bought NUFC it doesnt mean its owned by the US.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 3, 2023 12:29:05 GMT 1
Didnt they prove that it isnt the Saudi regime that are owning the club in order to pass those tests? Slapps, have a look at one of my previous comments. It appears to have come out in another court case (Ref: LIV golf), that the Toon Chairman is a serving member of the Saudi Govt. If the takeover stated there was no direct involvement from the Saudi Govt and hence it passed the test, how can that be the case with this ‘new’ revelation? Although it’s odd that this has come up now. Surely if you’re employed by the PL & tasked with due diligence on the deal, it can’t be that hard to confirm what the status of the planned directorship is going to be. It’s all a bit murky, but that’s also the case for the PL itself, surely they can’t have missed something so obvious? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 12:35:36 GMT 1
Cant he be a member of the Saudi government without it being the saudi government that own the club? presumably thats what they proved to pass the tests
Berlusconi owned AC Milan, but it didnt mean the Italian government owned AC Milan.
I think its only come up now because amnesty International ( I think ) still have a bee in their bonnet about it and are demanding the FA review it.
Where were they about cricket tours to India and Pakistan, is my thought on that.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Mar 3, 2023 12:38:32 GMT 1
That Amanda Staveley is very annoying. Reminds of the owner in Ted Lasso
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 3, 2023 12:51:26 GMT 1
Cant he be a member of the Saudi government without it being the saudi government that own the club? presumably thats what they proved to pass the tests Berlusconi owned AC Milan, but it didnt mean the Italian government owned AC Milan. I think its only come up now because amnesty International ( I think ) still have a bee in their bonnet about it and are demanding the FA review it. Where were they about cricket tours to India and Pakistan, is my thought on that. That would be the norm for Italy Slapps, although as a nation we’re probably in lockstep now, with regards to our levels of corruption… |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Mar 3, 2023 12:52:29 GMT 1
Cant he be a member of the Saudi government without it being the saudi government that own the club? presumably thats what they proved to pass the tests Berlusconi owned AC Milan, but it didnt mean the Italian government owned AC Milan. I think its only come up now because amnesty International ( I think ) still have a bee in their bonnet about it and are demanding the FA review it. Where were they about cricket tours to India and Pakistan, is my thought on that. But PIF are not really a private company. It is A Saudi State enterprise. Boris Fucking Johnson intervened and had talks with the PL when they were considering the ownership. No details have been released of this meeting as “it would harm the relationship with Saudi Arabia”. It was a sham then and now it transpires that the “owner” is indeed a Saudi minister the mask is beginning to crumble. What a fucking surprise Bojo had a part in the shenanigans. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 3, 2023 12:57:52 GMT 1
Cant he be a member of the Saudi government without it being the saudi government that own the club? presumably thats what they proved to pass the tests Berlusconi owned AC Milan, but it didnt mean the Italian government owned AC Milan. I think its only come up now because amnesty International ( I think ) still have a bee in their bonnet about it and are demanding the FA review it. Where were they about cricket tours to India and Pakistan, is my thought on that. But PIF are not really a private company. It is A Saudi State enterprise. Boris Fucking Johnson intervened and had talks with the PL when they were considering the ownership. No details have been released of this meeting as “it would harm the relationship with Saudi Arabia”. It was a sham then and now it transpires that the “owner” is indeed a Saudi minister the mask is beginning to crumble. What a fucking surprise Bojo had a part in the shenanigans. He’s the political equivalent of the unflushable turd… |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 13:01:49 GMT 1
Sounds like he was doing the best for the Uk then, our economy and the thousands of people who's livelihoods might rely on trade with Saudi Arabia.
You'd rather lose that trade, that economic boost and those jobs in order to sit on the moral high ground?
I doubt any other nation would look enviously at us up there.. they'd be laughing at us as they jumped at the chance of replacing us in business with the saudis.
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Mar 3, 2023 13:20:56 GMT 1
Sounds like he was doing the best for the Uk then, our economy and the thousands of people who's livelihoods might rely on trade with Saudi Arabia. You'd rather lose that trade, that economic boost and those jobs in order to sit on the moral high ground? I doubt any other nation would look enviously at us up there.. they'd be laughing at us as they jumped at the chance of replacing us in business with the saudis. Yes we know the reasons for it. If a child murdering regime didn’t have the massive geological luck to sit on the worlds biggest oil reserves there is no way they would be Premier league owner approved. That’s the point. It happens for pragmatic reasons and it stinks and all football supporters should rejoice every time Newcastle get beat. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 3, 2023 14:05:41 GMT 1
Sounds like he was doing the best for the Uk then, our economy and the thousands of people who's livelihoods might rely on trade with Saudi Arabia. You'd rather lose that trade, that economic boost and those jobs in order to sit on the moral high ground? I doubt any other nation would look enviously at us up there.. they'd be laughing at us as they jumped at the chance of replacing us in business with the saudis. Are you suggesting those trade deals would have been affected if Johnson hadn’t stepped in to smooth the Newcastle deal? (if he even did that) |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 15:30:35 GMT 1
Sounds like he was doing the best for the Uk then, our economy and the thousands of people who's livelihoods might rely on trade with Saudi Arabia. You'd rather lose that trade, that economic boost and those jobs in order to sit on the moral high ground? I doubt any other nation would look enviously at us up there.. they'd be laughing at us as they jumped at the chance of replacing us in business with the saudis. Are you suggesting those trade deals would have been affected if Johnson hadn’t stepped in to smooth the Newcastle deal? (if he even did that) Thats what others were suggesting isnt it? If true ( and I have no idea ) then not pissing off a lucrative client is standard practice in business surely and I wouldn't criticise Johnson for acting in the UKs best interests, even if it means we cant stand alone on some meaningless moral high ground that only we in the Uk seem to care about. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Mar 3, 2023 18:49:54 GMT 1
Meaningless moral high ground?
Fucking hell. Let’s forgive and forget anything then if it’s good for business. Get Abramovich back sure he’ll put plenty money into UK.
We are talking about a football club am sure the Saudis will not cut off our oil supplies if PL found them not to be conform to the rules, as has been said before am sure we will be selling them enough arms to bomb Yemenis etc.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 19:09:36 GMT 1
I doubt they would cut off our oil supplies as that is us sending them money.
But in trading that involved them sending us their money, then having a good relationship can be crucial.
Stopping them buying a football club because they are seen as morally unworthy isnt going to create a very good relationship. I imagine they'd think that pretty insulting and might prefer to buy their arms from some one else. Plenty will want their business.
Its meaningless because no one else seems to care much about these things.
I dont know whether thats just because they accept other countries have different cultures and moral attitudes.. or whether theyre just more pragmatic and focus on whats good for them first and foremost.
But if we sour our business relationship with Saudi Arabia , Im sure the French and Germans to name 2 would gleefully replace us if they can,, whilst chuckling at us up on our moral high horse.
If were going to stop having business relationships with countries who do things we consider unpalatable ( but dont actually effect us ) , then we're going to rule out an awful lot of the world to trade with!
I doubt the tens of thousand who lose their livelihoods will see the Uk being morally superior to everyone else as being much of a consolation.
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Mar 3, 2023 19:23:47 GMT 1
I doubt they would cut off our oil supplies as that is us sending them money. But in trading that involved them sending us their money, then having a good relationship can be crucial. Stopping them buying a football club because they are seen as morally unworthy isnt going to create a very good relationship. I imagine they'd think that pretty insulting and might prefer to buy their arms from some one else. Plenty will want their business. Its meaningless because no one else seems to care much about these things. I dont know whether thats just because they accept other countries have different cultures and moral attitudes.. or whether theyre just more pragmatic and focus on whats good for them first and foremost. But if we sour our business relationship with Saudi Arabia , Im sure the French and Germans to name 2 would gleefully replace us if they can,, whilst chuckling at us up on our moral high horse. If were going to stop having business relationships with countries who do things we consider unpalatable ( but dont actually effect us ) , then we're going to rule out an awful lot of the world to trade with! I doubt the tens of thousand who lose their livelihoods will see the Uk being morally superior to everyone else as being much of a consolation. There is so much wrong with that statement I can’t be arsed anymore. Town fans happy to accept a child murdering regime being a rival football clubs owner that will guarantee that Town will always be one place lower in the league positions in perpetuity. Staggering. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 3, 2023 19:26:12 GMT 1
Are you suggesting those trade deals would have been affected if Johnson hadn’t stepped in to smooth the Newcastle deal? (if he even did that) Thats what others were suggesting isnt it? If true ( and I have no idea ) then not pissing off a lucrative client is standard practice in business surely and I wouldn't criticise Johnson for acting in the UKs best interests, even if it means we cant stand alone on some meaningless moral high ground that only we in the Uk seem to care about. I just don’t think a transaction on the scale that the Toon takeover was would have been sufficient for them to take their bat & ball home that’s all. I suspect the takeover is to some degree symbolic to them. All countries have form for this. We send in Boris or Andy for the maximum effect on these things… 😉 |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Mar 3, 2023 19:33:24 GMT 1
I doubt they would cut off our oil supplies as that is us sending them money. But in trading that involved them sending us their money, then having a good relationship can be crucial. Stopping them buying a football club because they are seen as morally unworthy isnt going to create a very good relationship. I imagine they'd think that pretty insulting and might prefer to buy their arms from some one else. Plenty will want their business. Its meaningless because no one else seems to care much about these things. I dont know whether thats just because they accept other countries have different cultures and moral attitudes.. or whether theyre just more pragmatic and focus on whats good for them first and foremost. But if we sour our business relationship with Saudi Arabia , Im sure the French and Germans to name 2 would gleefully replace us if they can,, whilst chuckling at us up on our moral high horse. If were going to stop having business relationships with countries who do things we consider unpalatable ( but dont actually effect us ) , then we're going to rule out an awful lot of the world to trade with! I doubt the tens of thousand who lose their livelihoods will see the Uk being morally superior to everyone else as being much of a consolation. There is so much wrong with that statement I can’t be arsed anymore. Town fans happy to accept a child murdering regime being a rival football clubs owner that will guarantee that Town will always be one place lower in the league positions in perpetuity. Staggering. Compare and contrast with fans in Germany, there they protest about their own clubs links to dodgy money etc. Here, fans fall over themselves to welcome these despots. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 19:51:32 GMT 1
Thats what others were suggesting isnt it? If true ( and I have no idea ) then not pissing off a lucrative client is standard practice in business surely and I wouldn't criticise Johnson for acting in the UKs best interests, even if it means we cant stand alone on some meaningless moral high ground that only we in the Uk seem to care about. . I suspect the takeover is to some degree symbolic to them. All countries have form for this. We send in Boris or Andy for the maximum effect on these things… 😉 Who knows? I think you'd have to have had dealings with these people to gauge what sort of effect an insult like that would have on Uk / saudi relations. |
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Post by sabailand on Mar 3, 2023 19:52:30 GMT 1
There is so much wrong with that statement I can’t be arsed anymore. Town fans happy to accept a child murdering regime being a rival football clubs owner that will guarantee that Town will always be one place lower in the league positions in perpetuity. Staggering. Compare and contrast with fans in Germany, there they protest about their own clubs links to dodgy money etc. Here, fans fall over themselves to welcome these despots. If Saudi billionares took over Huddersfield town i'd love it, premeirship football (and not just making up the numbers), European campaigns...yes please.  |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Mar 3, 2023 19:55:50 GMT 1
Footballs fucked.
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Post by rockwall on Mar 3, 2023 20:35:59 GMT 1
People moaning about this are just envious.
About time another team upset the apple cart. Hope they win trophies because of it.
But if it all goes tits up, only themselves to blame. Has no relevance to Huddersfield Town.
Who cares if they are owned by the Saudi government? If Sheik Jassim buys Utd, he is the brother of the Qatari King. They are the government and own Qatar. Would that be wrong? Or because it is United would people turn a blind eye to it?
If it was City, Liverpool etc, no1 would moan.
City have bent rules since their takeover, had zero punishment so far.
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Post by rockwall on Mar 3, 2023 20:36:33 GMT 1
Compare and contrast with fans in Germany, there they protest about their own clubs links to dodgy money etc. Here, fans fall over themselves to welcome these despots. If Saudi billionares took over Huddersfield town i'd love it, premeirship football (and not just making up the numbers), European campaigns...yes please. San Siro in 5.... |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 3, 2023 21:58:19 GMT 1
People moaning about this are just envious. About time another team upset the apple cart. Hope they win trophies because of it. But if it all goes tits up, only themselves to blame. Has no relevance to Huddersfield Town. Who cares if they are owned by the Saudi government? If Sheik Jassim buys Utd, he is the brother of the Qatari King. They are the government and own Qatar. Would that be wrong? Or because it is United would people turn a blind eye to it? If it was City, Liverpool etc, no1 would moan. City have bent rules since their takeover, had zero punishment so far. Not envious at all. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 3, 2023 21:59:40 GMT 1
I just don’t think a transaction on the scale that the Toon takeover was would have been sufficient for them to take their bat & ball home that’s all. I suspect the takeover is to some degree symbolic to them. All countries have form for this. We send in Boris or Andy for the maximum effect on these things… 😉 Who knows? I think you'd have to have had dealings with these people to gauge what sort of effect an insult like that would have on Uk / saudi relations. How is not being allowed to buy a football club an insult? As to who knows? Neither of us, that’s for certain… 😉 |
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Post by morleyterrier on Mar 3, 2023 22:00:45 GMT 1
This thread is upsetting.
Confirmation from too many that winning matches (and playing at the highest level, winning things) is all that matters when following a football club. All that matters.
Regardless.
So this is why the motorway network will be awash tomorrow with fans of football clubs all over the Country right down to the 6th, 7th, 8th level. Probably lower.
Waking up in the morning, looking forward to that trip watching Farsley Celtic away at whoever. Brackley.
For them, and me and some of us (thankfully). It is about being part of something.
There are still a lot of us left that understand for example the raw emotion of that last minute winner following Farsley with probably 25 others at such as Bracklev. That is worth so much more than any bought premier league win following a Club backed by obscene money.
Jealous?, Envious?, fuck off, just fuck off.
Some of us get the emotion of football and following a football club.
Money? Buying some supposed view of success?.
Not for me, and thankfully I am not alone.
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Post by cecerececerececere on Mar 4, 2023 10:25:15 GMT 1
Money distorts football if you want it played on a level playing field.
The established clubs weren't happy when Jack Walkers millions upset the apple cart.
Hoyles millions got us our of league 1.
We were the best club in the country in the early 1920's when Huddersfield was one of the most affluent areas of the country.
You can join the dots.
Unfortunately the 25 celebrating the last minute winner for Farsley are dwarfed by the 250,000 Geordies who are on the up slope of the Premier League rollercoaster
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 4, 2023 10:42:17 GMT 1
I don't think the argument is money distorts football, there can be no argument there. The moral issue surrounds where the Newcastle money is from and humanity crimes that go on within Saudi Arabia and also the bending and breaking of rules to allow that money into our game.
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Post by ram on Mar 4, 2023 10:53:51 GMT 1
Meaningless moral high ground? Fucking hell. Let’s forgive and forget anything then if it’s good for business. Get Abramovich back sure he’ll put plenty money into UK. We are talking about a football club am sure the Saudis will not cut off our oil supplies if PL found them not to be conform to the rules, as has been said before am sure we will be selling them enough arms to bomb Yemenis etc. And let us erect a statue of Adolf. |
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Post by ringdisco on Mar 4, 2023 11:06:00 GMT 1
I doubt they would cut off our oil supplies as that is us sending them money. But in trading that involved them sending us their money, then having a good relationship can be crucial. Stopping them buying a football club because they are seen as morally unworthy isnt going to create a very good relationship. I imagine they'd think that pretty insulting and might prefer to buy their arms from some one else. Plenty will want their business. Its meaningless because no one else seems to care much about these things. I dont know whether thats just because they accept other countries have different cultures and moral attitudes.. or whether theyre just more pragmatic and focus on whats good for them first and foremost. But if we sour our business relationship with Saudi Arabia , Im sure the French and Germans to name 2 would gleefully replace us if they can,, whilst chuckling at us up on our moral high horse. If were going to stop having business relationships with countries who do things we consider unpalatable ( but dont actually effect us ) , then we're going to rule out an awful lot of the world to trade with! I doubt the tens of thousand who lose their livelihoods will see the Uk being morally superior to everyone else as being much of a consolation. Pretty sure the Germans wouldn't. The French are corrupt to the bone, just look at Sarkozy (World Cup bid, PSG etc, and jail time). |
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