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Post by goodbet on Oct 11, 2021 14:29:46 GMT 1
Some people will not go north of Watford, but on the whole people will follow the money. For a few at the very top of the game I expect that they will be able to attract good money anywhere, so I guess that they will be less likely to go to Newcastle than London.
Liverpool have attracted a lot of good players and is a little out of the way for most so I would expect Newcastle to be OK.
Getting up in to top 6 or 8 with the money that they have at their disposal should not be too much of a ask. The difference will be closing the gap to the top two and maintaining the consistency can be difficult even with deep pockets. I think that this could be ever harder as Chelski, *ity & *pool are likely to increase their spending to maintain their own positions.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 11, 2021 14:52:43 GMT 1
There is dirty money everywhere, especially at the top end so Im not sure the moral finger pointing at Newcastle isn't a bit selective. Theres also cheating to get round FFP, obsessive self interest and a sort of unofficial cartel amongst the major players which is why they wont be happy with having a new member forced on them. Its quite amusing to see them bleat about it... Man City unhappy with it FFS!!  Its scary that the also rans are owned by billionaires like you say, but that isn't enough to even seriously challenge for a CL place now.Doesnt seem that long since Jack Walker bought Blackburn a title with a few million! None of this really effects Town of course. I like that we're a 'local' club and if we can establish ourselves as a Championship club that might have an occasional year our two in the PL every so often, then that would be our best achieved IMO. But if some multi billionaire ever wanted to buy our club and pay for it to be a PL also ran, then Id be fine with that too! That's my point though, it is enough, in footballing terms. If the Wolves or Villa owners decided they wanted to spend £5b on an assault on winning the CL they could do that with virtually zero affect on the lifestyles afforded by their wealth. It's more than enough money to buy 20 world class players and pay them the going rate - Sheikh Mansour has apparently 'only' put about £2b into Citeh to transform them. But it's impossible because 1) FFP now means the Wolves/Villa owners couldn't put that money in overnight and 2) Most current WC players wouldn't go until they were virtually guaranteed CL football. Despite the vast differences between having owners worth £10b and apparently £320b, these same problems will affect Newcastle. Look at Man Citys early buys, it wasn't until they nicked Tevez off Man U that they had a genuine already world class talent. Before that it was: Robinho from Real Madrid Jo from CSKA Nigel De Jong from Hamburg Craig Bellamy from West Ham Wayne Bridge - very much 2nd fiddle to Ashley Cole at Chelsea) Shaun Wright-Phillips - again a bit part Chelsea player Shay Given from an in turmoil and about to be relegated Newcastle Pablo Zabalata from Espanyol Vincent Kompany from Hamburg Some good players and big money for the time spent with the latter two going on to become club legends but nobody who you'd say was at the time in the world class bracket. Only Robinho, SWP and Bridge you'd say came from elite clubs too, and 2 were bit part players whilst Real Madrid also wanted rid of Robinho. I definitely think it will be harder than a lot of Newcastle fans and the mainstream sports media think and talk of Mbappe/Kane/buying first team players from City/Liverpool is absolute fantasy at this point no matter how much money they have. FFP has been sold to us as levelling the playing field but really its just a tool to keep the status quo and pull up the drawbridge for anyone else. Good points. Its not going to be an instant thing I guess. Apparently the fact they havent spent much for years means they have a lot of room in the bank as far as FFP is concerned. But yeah, id expect it to be 2 or 3 years before theyre challenging at the top. Marquee signings for £150m a pair maybe arent what they need at this stage. Better to have 6 or 7 really good but not quite very top drawer players to set the ball rolling. Bet they sign one though.. just as a statement of intent. A Coutinho or Hazard. But id expect them to be in for, and maybe get, players like Ramsay and Lingard. |
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Post by waterlooboy on Oct 11, 2021 15:02:00 GMT 1
I for one welcome the takeover, it could fail but i rather expect it to be like Man City, they don't just fund players but will regenerate the club and its surroundings. Hopefully it will make them a bigger and better club, which in time will be able to compete with the top boys. There are already 7 or 8 teams which are challenging for Europe, one more will just strengthen the league. There is always a chance of another Leicester too.
Like every club there are total wankers associated with it, a small minority, but nobody can question the desire of their fans. I just wish we could have turned a Saudi's head while in the PL
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Oct 11, 2021 15:05:18 GMT 1
I for one welcome the takeover, it could fail but i rather expect it to be like Man City, they don't just fund players but will regenerate the club and its surroundings. Hopefully it will make them a bigger and better club, which in time will be able to compete with the top boys. There are already 7 or 8 teams which are challenging for Europe, one more will just strengthen the league. There is always a chance of another Leicester too. Like every club there are total wankers associated with it, a small minority, but nobody can question the desire of their fans. I just wish we could have turned a Saudi's head while in the PL For every Sheikh there's a Glazier family. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 11, 2021 15:12:38 GMT 1
That's my point though, it is enough, in footballing terms. If the Wolves or Villa owners decided they wanted to spend £5b on an assault on winning the CL they could do that with virtually zero affect on the lifestyles afforded by their wealth. It's more than enough money to buy 20 world class players and pay them the going rate - Sheikh Mansour has apparently 'only' put about £2b into Citeh to transform them. But it's impossible because 1) FFP now means the Wolves/Villa owners couldn't put that money in overnight and 2) Most current WC players wouldn't go until they were virtually guaranteed CL football. Despite the vast differences between having owners worth £10b and apparently £320b, these same problems will affect Newcastle. Look at Man Citys early buys, it wasn't until they nicked Tevez off Man U that they had a genuine already world class talent. Before that it was: Robinho from Real Madrid Jo from CSKA Nigel De Jong from Hamburg Craig Bellamy from West Ham Wayne Bridge - very much 2nd fiddle to Ashley Cole at Chelsea) Shaun Wright-Phillips - again a bit part Chelsea player Shay Given from an in turmoil and about to be relegated Newcastle Pablo Zabalata from Espanyol Vincent Kompany from Hamburg Some good players and big money for the time spent with the latter two going on to become club legends but nobody who you'd say was at the time in the world class bracket. Only Robinho, SWP and Bridge you'd say came from elite clubs too, and 2 were bit part players whilst Real Madrid also wanted rid of Robinho. I definitely think it will be harder than a lot of Newcastle fans and the mainstream sports media think and talk of Mbappe/Kane/buying first team players from City/Liverpool is absolute fantasy at this point no matter how much money they have. FFP has been sold to us as levelling the playing field but really its just a tool to keep the status quo and pull up the drawbridge for anyone else. Good points. Its not going to be an instant thing I guess. Apparently the fact they havent spent much for years means they have a lot of room in the bank as far as FFP is concerned. But yeah, id expect it to be 2 or 3 years before theyre challenging at the top. Marquee signings for £150m a pair maybe arent what they need at this stage. Better to have 6 or 7 really good but not quite very top drawer players to set the ball rolling. Bet they sign one though.. just as a statement of intent. A Coutinho or Hazard. But id expect them to be in for, and maybe get, players like Ramsay and Lingard. Coutinho is realistic given the state Barcelona are in and that you cant quite see him attracting Chelsea/Citeh/Man U's attention or going back to Liverpool. Too old for Leicester and they probably couldn't pay his wages which leaves Arsenal, Spurs and now Newcastle. Think Hazard would have better offers, despite his injury hit spell at Madrid. Probably the best player I saw live when we were in the Prem. One thing I could see them doing is paying Bale stupid money, which would be a mistake imo. At least when I'm forced to watch Newcastle on TV in future I should be watching some decent players rather than Joelinton and Jacob Murphy |
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Post by sabailand on Oct 11, 2021 16:40:04 GMT 1
Some people will not go north of Watford, but on the whole people will follow the money. For a few at the very top of the game I expect that they will be able to attract good money anywhere, so I guess that they will be less likely to go to Newcastle than London. Liverpool have attracted a lot of good players and is a little out of the way for most so I would expect Newcastle to be OK. To be fair Liverpool are a massive name world wide, one of the truly well known names in football, they`ve won everythng there is to win, in their case being up north shouldnt have much bearing. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 11, 2021 16:45:51 GMT 1
Newcastle fan on radio today on about getting Mbappe.
I honestly would be fine if I never and I mean never saw another Premier League game of football.
As long as I can watch Town playing Championship football, I like EFL on Quest, an odd Scottish game at the Pub (wish it was still on BT). And I really like the National League live games on BT and the highlights show.
Going to watch Ossett play Liversedge on Friday and plan to go to Harrogate Town for a match this season also.
No interest whatsoever in Match of the Day.
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Oct 11, 2021 16:50:02 GMT 1
Price of Football podcast episode released today covers this briefly. Both hosts (palace and Brighton fans respectively) state they'd love a bit of it, and that ultimately most football fans would. I agree. It;s very easy to say you wouldn't when it's theoretical.
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 11, 2021 17:02:45 GMT 1
Price of Football podcast episode released today covers this briefly. Both hosts (palace and Brighton fans respectively) state they'd love a bit of it, and that ultimately most football fans would. I agree. It;s very easy to say you wouldn't when it's theoretical. I couldn’t disagree with you more. I would say more would not want this circus for their Club than would. Might be worth a Town fans poll! 🤔. |
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Post by digs on Oct 11, 2021 17:24:42 GMT 1
Man U and Man City seem to attract good players,I've heard it rains there,,Newcastle's a great city with some beautiful places on its doorstep, I'm beginning to think you have a Geordie fetish. That might be because of my father who just died in Northumberland, |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Oct 11, 2021 17:31:06 GMT 1
I lived there for four years. It wouldn't rain for ages yet everything was still wet due to the general mist and fog that enveloped the place. The Fog on the Tyne is all mine all mine, the Fog on the Tyne is all mine... |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 11, 2021 17:35:03 GMT 1
It’s not the first time that this has happened at Newcastle.
They managed to attract the likes of Ginola and Asprilla when Keegan was in charge.
Also, Newcastle is a brilliant place with the Northumberland countryside on it’s doorstep.
Highly paid footballers only have to book a flight to get down South if that’s what they want to do.
They don’t have to put up with long drives like we do.
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Post by sabailand on Oct 11, 2021 17:47:48 GMT 1
If i didnt "want" town to play at the highest level and succeed there i wouldnt be going to watch them, what would be the point in going and not caring wether they won or lost, im realistic enough to know our place in the order of things but football is all about hopes and dreams, i just cant imagine "not being bothered".
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 11, 2021 17:53:14 GMT 1
Newcastle fan on radio today on about getting Mbappe. I honestly would be fine if I never and I mean never saw another Premier League game of football. As long as I can watch Town playing Championship football, I like EFL on Quest, an odd Scottish game at the Pub (wish it was still on BT). And I really like the National League live games on BT and the highlights show. Going to watch Ossett play Liversedge on Friday and plan to go to Harrogate Town for a match this season also. No interest whatsoever in Match of the Day. Day it was announced I listened to talk sport and wondered to myself how long it would be before some plank rang in and mentioned getting Keegan back in when Bruce gets the inevitable sack. It didn't take long! I enjoy watching the PL. The quality of football is second to none IMO. Not as technical as some other leagues but I prefer that. Technical equals dull more often than not. But I just like watching football. Went to a darlington game last week against Telford. Really enjoyed it. £14 in, a nice bar for a couple of pints and the game was good, full blooded stuff. 3-0 to Darlo. Its the third different ground Ive seen darlington play their home games at now over the years. |
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Post by 28901 on Oct 11, 2021 20:54:37 GMT 1
I'm beginning to think you have a Geordie fetish. That might be because of my father who just died in Northumberland, Sorry to hear about your father. |
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Post by 28901 on Oct 11, 2021 21:08:16 GMT 1
I'm beginning to think you have a Geordie fetish. Newcastle’s biggest problem for me is it’s location and lack of diversity. It’s ok signing British players, but I think they will struggle getting top international players to go there. It just doesn’t have of the draw of London or even Manchester. And for me that’s where they will struggle. And they’ll have to throw even more money at it to overcome that. I just don't get this Geordie love in. I agree re Manchester, and Leeds and the surrounds are just as attractive. Stuck up there at the end of the line surrounded by halfwits. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Oct 11, 2021 21:14:31 GMT 1
That might be because of my father who just died in Northumberland, Sorry to hear about your father. Could I add my condolences digs - to those of 28901... I was down at ma late daddy’s resting spot today and remembered him with a quarter bottle of whisky (the girls do flowers when they’re here) on what would’ve been his 85th birthday (he got 70 years and I thought if anything would’ve taken him maybe his liver as he was in the pub 7 days a week, but bloody lung cancer after he’d long given up the roll up’s and fags) Anyway in time your pain will be replaced with beautiful memories as mine was... just off up to the pub that he loved to hold court in (The Lochindaal Hotel) to toast his birthday memory, in warmer conditions, than his windswept resting place on the shores of Lochindaal was today, picturesque as it was.. Rembering the good times and absent friends.... |
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Post by bluemond on Oct 12, 2021 11:25:34 GMT 1
Sorry to hear about your father. Could I add my condolences digs - to those of 28901... I was down at ma late daddy’s resting spot today and remembered him with a quarter bottle of whisky (the girls do flowers when they’re here) on what would’ve been his 85th birthday (he got 70 years and I thought if anything would’ve taken him maybe his liver as he was in the pub 7 days a week, but bloody lung cancer after he’d long given up the roll up’s and fags) Anyway in time your pain will be replaced with beautiful memories as mine was... just off up to the pub that he loved to hold court in (The Lochindall Hotel) to toast his birthday memory, in warmer conditions, than his windswept resting place on the shores of Lochindaal was today, picturesque as it was.. Rembering the good times and absent friends.... Are all the buildings in Port Charlotte painted White then Westie? |
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Post by conman on Oct 12, 2021 12:04:31 GMT 1
I for one welcome the takeover, it could fail but i rather expect it to be like Man City, they don't just fund players but will regenerate the club and its surroundings. Hopefully it will make them a bigger and better club, which in time will be able to compete with the top boys. There are already 7 or 8 teams which are challenging for Europe, one more will just strengthen the league. There is always a chance of another Leicester too. Like every club there are total wankers associated with it, a small minority, but nobody can question the desire of their fans. I just wish we could have turned a Saudi's head while in the PL For every Sheikh there's a Glazier family. And usually a rattle n roll.. |
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Post by Leporid on Oct 12, 2021 19:30:34 GMT 1
For every Sheikh there's a Glazier family. And usually a rattle n roll.. And sometimes a hippy, hippy... |
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 12, 2021 20:47:19 GMT 1
And usually a rattle n roll.. And sometimes a hippy, hippy... And a:- ... and vac. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Oct 12, 2021 21:34:25 GMT 1
the original big 4 dont want other clubs to fit in. Thats why they were looking at the superleague franchise. They want to guarantee their champions league income not have to spend money to win the chance. The only good thing to come out of this take over is one of the original big 4 will end up being an also ran probably arsenal and means the chances of Leeds ever getting back up to the top 6 will be even slimmer. Out of interest, who do you see as the ”original big 4” and what date are you picking? I guess it's all relative to age etc. But to me I'd say its Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea, who in my eyes have qualified for European competitions more consistently than others over a longer period of time. Clubs like Aston Villa and Everton have had their spells here and there but for many years the top tier of English football was dominated by these 4 for many years. Chelsea got a boost with Abramovic but Man city threw up the first challenge to (IMO) the "established" top 4. Leicester winning the league is what got them worried. Like the price of football pod has said. FFP is as much about stopping another Man City happening as it is about stopping clubs going bust. Those clubs that qualify for CL are getting at least twice the income the rest of the clubs receive in TV money. It gives them the advantage to keep qualifying for it. The ESL franchise, meant they wouldn't even have to win a match to get it. |
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Post by Dan on Oct 13, 2021 18:36:27 GMT 1
Why did no-one write something like this for Phil?
Credit to anyone that manages to listen beyond a minute without chundering everywhere btw
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Post by Drew Peacock on Oct 13, 2021 19:51:52 GMT 1
Hope they go bust
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 14, 2021 0:01:30 GMT 1
Why did no-one write something like this for Phil? Credit to anyone that manages to listen beyond a minute without chundering everywhere btw This will just end quite badly. Man C fans are probably just conditioned to their way of life right now, can’t think many will be envisaging the day the wheels fall off… |
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Post by Galpharmer on Oct 14, 2021 0:20:57 GMT 1
Why did no-one write something like this for Phil? Credit to anyone that manages to listen beyond a minute without chundering everywhere btw Fuck me, that is absolutely tragic. A grown person has actually done that. |
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Post by johnny_b on Oct 14, 2021 10:24:20 GMT 1
I can't wait for the ESL to get itself sorted. The scrapping for places will be highly amusing to me. All the outraged fans claiming that their massive, biggest, richest club deserves a slice of the cake and then the fall out afterwards. Let them get on with it, it's going to happen  |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 14, 2021 10:31:13 GMT 1
Why did no-one write something like this for Phil? Credit to anyone that manages to listen beyond a minute without chundering everywhere btw Fuck me, that is absolutely tragic. A grown person has actually done that. Not sure they’ve read her CV? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Staveley |
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Post by conman on Oct 14, 2021 13:12:23 GMT 1
Why did no-one write something like this for Phil? Credit to anyone that manages to listen beyond a minute without chundering everywhere btw I didn't even make it past the Elton intro , four seconds at a guess. It's like you almost know what's coming.. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Oct 14, 2021 15:25:10 GMT 1
Why did no-one write something like this for Phil? Credit to anyone that manages to listen beyond a minute without chundering everywhere btw I didn't even make it past the Elton intro , four seconds at a guess. It's like you almost know what's coming.. Well there’s Manilow..... but this could be described as Maniclow !!!! |
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