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Post by arry11 on Jun 7, 2022 22:57:32 GMT 1
He had arguably his best year this year at Celtic under the former Australian manager Ange Postecoglou. It was the 20/21 year where he had a stinker, but that was because the manager didn’t know how to use him. He’s played best in high possession high press teams, when he’s allowed to pick up positions in between the midfield and striker. To get the best out of him, we would need a better striker with proper movement, not a Ward work hard, but one who makes clever runs in behind because through balls are his strength. If I had £12m from the sale of O’Brien to spend, assuming you could get Twine for £5m, I’d also get the current top scorer in Japan, Ueda, who you could pick up for £2-3m, with a front 3 of Twine Ueda Thomas with Rogic in behind, I think you would have an attack that Championship teams really feared. With Twine hitting free kicks from around the box and Sorba swinging them in from out wide, Rogic would run riot because teams would be scared to touch him, unlike in Scotland where they just hack away. That’s only £8m of the £12m spent and the other £4m could go to increased wages to get Twine and Rogic, but also for Toff and Nichols. To me, that would be us having a real go for 2-3 years. That's what most fans would want to see but we seem to be going down the path of League 1 centre backs and non league bean poles. It's all a bit underwhelming really if our transfer targets are to be believed, these seem the most credible ones. If we signed that Twine lad, who looks decent, first team ready hit the ground running, it would be something. I don't think that is Carlos' style either, out and out attacking football. Yes we all would love to see attacking football but we are what we are and have to stretch our finances and build a club with all different levels of players and hope we do well with some of them its always harder bringing in the better players due to many things and sure we are trying.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 8, 2022 1:52:09 GMT 1
That's what most fans would want to see but we seem to be going down the path of League 1 centre backs and non league bean poles. It's all a bit underwhelming really if our transfer targets are to be believed, these seem the most credible ones. If we signed that Twine lad, who looks decent, first team ready hit the ground running, it would be something. I don't think that is Carlos' style either, out and out attacking football. Yes we all would love to see attacking football but we are what we are and have to stretch our finances and build a club with all different levels of players and hope we do well with some of them its always harder bringing in the better players due to many things and sure we are trying. Better players want to see certain criteria to sign. Finishing high up in the table? ✅ Money? Only they will know what’s on the table. Improving the squad in the right areas with ambition? Can be a chicken and egg scenario. Get a good player over the line and you can get others. Don’t get anyone, and the rest are waiting to see who else signs. The right move for them? This can rule many out straight away because they want to live near family etc. Agree, we are what we are, sometimes it’d be nice to stretch a bit further.
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Post by arry11 on Jun 8, 2022 7:35:32 GMT 1
Yes we all would love to see attacking football but we are what we are and have to stretch our finances and build a club with all different levels of players and hope we do well with some of them its always harder bringing in the better players due to many things and sure we are trying. Better players want to see certain criteria to sign. Finishing high up in the table? ✅ Money? Only they will know what’s on the table. Improving the squad in the right areas with ambition? Can be a chicken and egg scenario. Get a good player over the line and you can get others. Don’t get anyone, and the rest are waiting to see who else signs. The right move for them? This can rule many out straight away because they want to live near family etc. Agree, we are what we are, sometimes it’d be nice to stretch a bit further. To be fair we did over stretch in building our promotion side and we spent good money after but we got stung by buying wrong choices that will always be the risk.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 8, 2022 7:46:45 GMT 1
Better players want to see certain criteria to sign. Finishing high up in the table? ✅ Money? Only they will know what’s on the table. Improving the squad in the right areas with ambition? Can be a chicken and egg scenario. Get a good player over the line and you can get others. Don’t get anyone, and the rest are waiting to see who else signs. The right move for them? This can rule many out straight away because they want to live near family etc. Agree, we are what we are, sometimes it’d be nice to stretch a bit further. To be fair we did over stretch in building our promotion side and we spent good money after but we got stung by buying wrong choices that will always be the risk. Yes I agree with that assessment, we spent our money on shitebags.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 8, 2022 8:45:10 GMT 1
I've always liked Rogic but my impression is that he's past his best. You will have seen far more of him than me, do you think he can still do a good job for us? Just seen he is only 29, so what's not to like, though I thought he hadn't been a regular Celtic starter lately? He had arguably his best year this year at Celtic under the former Australian manager Ange Postecoglou. It was the 20/21 year where he had a stinker, but that was because the manager didn’t know how to use him. He’s played best in high possession high press teams, when he’s allowed to pick up positions in between the midfield and striker. To get the best out of him, we would need a better striker with proper movement, not a Ward work hard, but one who makes clever runs in behind because through balls are his strength. If I had £12m from the sale of O’Brien to spend, assuming you could get Twine for £5m, I’d also get the current top scorer in Japan, Ueda, who you could pick up for £2-3m, with a front 3 of Twine Ueda Thomas with Rogic in behind, I think you would have an attack that Championship teams really feared. With Twine hitting free kicks from around the box and Sorba swinging them in from out wide, Rogic would run riot because teams would be scared to touch him, unlike in Scotland where they just hack away. That’s only £8m of the £12m spent and the other £4m could go to increased wages to get Twine and Rogic, but also for Toff and Nichols. To me, that would be us having a real go for 2-3 years. More than happy to take your word on Rogic, Carlos. I must admit I thought he was comfortably in his 30s, let's see if we can get him, I fear there will be bigger fish than us in for Twine though, but fingers crossed. I have never heard of Ueda though.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 8, 2022 9:28:21 GMT 1
He had arguably his best year this year at Celtic under the former Australian manager Ange Postecoglou. It was the 20/21 year where he had a stinker, but that was because the manager didn’t know how to use him. He’s played best in high possession high press teams, when he’s allowed to pick up positions in between the midfield and striker. To get the best out of him, we would need a better striker with proper movement, not a Ward work hard, but one who makes clever runs in behind because through balls are his strength. If I had £12m from the sale of O’Brien to spend, assuming you could get Twine for £5m, I’d also get the current top scorer in Japan, Ueda, who you could pick up for £2-3m, with a front 3 of Twine Ueda Thomas with Rogic in behind, I think you would have an attack that Championship teams really feared. With Twine hitting free kicks from around the box and Sorba swinging them in from out wide, Rogic would run riot because teams would be scared to touch him, unlike in Scotland where they just hack away. That’s only £8m of the £12m spent and the other £4m could go to increased wages to get Twine and Rogic, but also for Toff and Nichols. To me, that would be us having a real go for 2-3 years. More than happy to take your word on Rogic, Carlos. I must admit I thought he was comfortably in his 30s, let's see if we can get him, I fear there will be bigger fish than us in for Twine though, but fingers crossed. I have never heard of Ueda though. Yeah Rogic has been at Celtic a long time, 9 years, so that probably explains why it feels like he’s in his 30’s. Twine probably got out of our reach when he scored 4 in the last game of the regular season. It was some performance and there would have been a number of scouts watching. Do I think we’ll get him? No. Would it be a statement of intent? You betcha. We were apparently watching O’Riley at MK Dons, who went to Celtic for £1.5m plus add ons. O’Riley was the higher rated of the two, so it would be interesting to see how much Twine is available for. I wouldn’t really expect too many to know about Ueda. I watch a bit of the J-League and the Asian international games because it’s on my time zone so that’s really the only reason for my knowledge on him. He’s played for Japan at the Olympics and at senior level. It’s such an undervalued market and buying him would be the equivalent of picking up a top Championship striker for 2-3 million. Udea’s 23 yo with an excellent first touch, quick with natural movement for a top level striker. The only problem with the Japanese is that they have trouble settling, so you need a club committed to them, a great bunch of blokes to take them under the wing and a full time interpreter.
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 8, 2022 9:45:19 GMT 1
More chance of signing Scott Robinson from Ramsey Street Rovers We'll sign him Especially For You.
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jun 8, 2022 10:48:26 GMT 1
He can play upfront with Kylie Hudlin.
Maybe get Paul Robinson out of retirement and back in goal too?
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Post by terriers2000 on Jun 8, 2022 12:05:43 GMT 1
apparently Ipswich and Wigan have made initial contact with mk dons about twine
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Post by football on Jun 8, 2022 12:14:49 GMT 1
Were not being strung along here are we?
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Post by rockwall on Jun 8, 2022 12:37:14 GMT 1
apparently Ipswich and Wigan have made initial contact with mk dons about twine If true, absolutely criminal if we dont pursue this. Surely we are more attractive and can afford his demands if they are interested.
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Jun 8, 2022 12:49:56 GMT 1
apparently Ipswich and Wigan have made initial contact with mk dons about twine Can't compete with the likes of Ipswich and Wigan, embarassing
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 8, 2022 16:13:47 GMT 1
apparently Ipswich and Wigan have made initial contact with mk dons about twine Can't compete with the likes of Ipswich and Wigan, embarassing I mean, yeah, what does one say about those 2? We should actually be an attractive proposition, just lost out in the play off final. I mean if we're struggling to compete with a League One side and Wigan Athletic, no disrespect to either by the way, then, I just don't know.
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jun 8, 2022 16:38:15 GMT 1
We’re the best team outside of the Premier League.
However, Rolls Royce may make the best cars in the world but if Lada are offering more money the chances are you’d work there instead.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 8, 2022 17:52:48 GMT 1
Can't compete with the likes of Ipswich and Wigan, embarassing I mean, yeah, what does one say about those 2? We should actually be an attractive proposition, just lost out in the play off final. I mean if we're struggling to compete with a League One side and Wigan Athletic, no disrespect to either by the way, then, I just don't know. Who says we're struggling to compete with Ipswich & Wigan?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 8, 2022 19:28:14 GMT 1
I mean, yeah, what does one say about those 2? We should actually be an attractive proposition, just lost out in the play off final. I mean if we're struggling to compete with a League One side and Wigan Athletic, no disrespect to either by the way, then, I just don't know. Who says we're struggling to compete with Ipswich & Wigan? Tommy the Terrier does.
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Post by Jello Biafra on Jun 9, 2022 6:58:14 GMT 1
Were not being strung along here are we? I’m a frayed knot…
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Jun 9, 2022 11:51:06 GMT 1
Who says we're struggling to compete with Ipswich & Wigan? Tommy the Terrier does. Purely tongue in cheek, of course. Thought the emojis would help relay that!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 9, 2022 12:05:51 GMT 1
Purely tongue in cheek, of course. Thought the emojis would help relay that! Its not me who has beef with the statement, but some over zealous defender of the faith.
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Post by rockwall on Jun 9, 2022 12:13:45 GMT 1
I mean, yeah, what does one say about those 2? We should actually be an attractive proposition, just lost out in the play off final. I mean if we're struggling to compete with a League One side and Wigan Athletic, no disrespect to either by the way, then, I just don't know. Who says we're struggling to compete with Ipswich & Wigan? Think its wrong wording. If Twine has been looked at by us, but we dont pursue, the club cant really use financial excuses as a reason not to go for him if the likes of Wigan and Ipswich are interested. That is no disrespect, I would expect Norwich, Sheff Utd, Watford to have the same opinion of us if it came to signing a player.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 9, 2022 12:17:42 GMT 1
Purely tongue in cheek, of course. Thought the emojis would help relay that! Its not me who has beef with the statement, but some over zealous defender of the faith. The difference is, Tommy's comment was tongue in cheek, your ultra negative comments, as usual, is used to have a dig at the club when you have fuck all information to back it up. Someone says that Ipswich & Wigan are interested in Twine which in your mind reads that town cannot compete with said clubs, then in your next breath you're pissing & moaning that we're signing too many players from league 1. The window doesn't even officially open until tomorrow & you're already crying 😂
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 9, 2022 12:29:06 GMT 1
Its not me who has beef with the statement, but some over zealous defender of the faith. The difference is, Tommy's comment was tongue in cheek, your ultra negative comments, as usual, is used to have a dig at the club when you have fuck all information to back it up. Someone says that Ipswich & Wigan are interested in Twine which in your mind reads that town cannot compete with said clubs, then in your next breath you're pissing & moaning that we're signing too many players from league 1. The window doesn't even officially open until tomorrow & you're already crying 😂 Merely expressing an opinion. You're the one that seems to be keen to correct me, for some reason.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 9, 2022 13:52:06 GMT 1
A quick google search shows there is more than Wigan and Ipswich interested, “apparently”(I say it like that because it’s probably his agent feeding the media). So if you believe the media, many championship clubs are interested and £3m is the asking price.
We paid £2m for Grant and flipped him 18 months later for £15m. £3m is probably what I expected to be around the price. A good season in the championship and he’ll have Premier League teams banging down his door.
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Post by Colin the Caterpillar on Jun 9, 2022 15:06:51 GMT 1
A quick google search shows there is more than Wigan and Ipswich interested, “apparently”(I say it like that because it’s probably his agent feeding the media). So if you believe the media, many championship clubs are interested and £3m is the asking price. We paid £2m for Grant and flipped him 18 months later for £15m. £3m is probably what I expected to be around the price. A good season in the championship and he’ll have Premier League teams banging down his door. £3m doesn’t fit with the “silly money” mentioned earlier in the thread. Bournemouth paid £3m for Callum Wilson after his breakout season in League One 8 years ago. At that price we should have him here already
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 9, 2022 15:18:25 GMT 1
A quick google search shows there is more than Wigan and Ipswich interested, “apparently”(I say it like that because it’s probably his agent feeding the media). So if you believe the media, many championship clubs are interested and £3m is the asking price. We paid £2m for Grant and flipped him 18 months later for £15m. £3m is probably what I expected to be around the price. A good season in the championship and he’ll have Premier League teams banging down his door. £3m doesn’t fit with the “silly money” mentioned earlier in the thread. Bournemouth paid £3m for Callum Wilson after his breakout season in League One 8 years ago. At that price we should have him here already I agree with that. Ivan Toney went for £5m a few years ago. £3m is snap your hand off.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 9, 2022 16:24:28 GMT 1
£3m doesn’t fit with the “silly money” mentioned earlier in the thread. Bournemouth paid £3m for Callum Wilson after his breakout season in League One 8 years ago. At that price we should have him here already I agree with that. Ivan Toney went for £5m a few years ago. £3m is snap your hand off. I do think Town would think that 3 million is sill money, unless O'Brien goes, then I doubt we would be splashing 3 million for this lad.
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Post by bentley316 on Jun 9, 2022 18:36:49 GMT 1
I agree with that. Ivan Toney went for £5m a few years ago. £3m is snap your hand off. I do think Town would think that 3 million is sill money, unless O'Brien goes, then I doubt we would be splashing 3 million for this lad. Id be amazed if he goes for 3. I suspect itll be closer to 5 with a beefy sell on. In a side bar, how are MK Dons still in League 1. for the last 5 years or so there has always seemed to be 2 or 3 players with a lot of higher league buzz
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 9, 2022 19:17:12 GMT 1
There’s a massive difference between League 1 and the Championship.
Whilst I agree he looked good last season it should be remembered that he’s untried at the level we operate in.
I’d say it’s down to the size of the fee. Personally I wouldn’t be paying £3m for him.
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Post by Colin the Caterpillar on Jun 9, 2022 20:47:18 GMT 1
There’s a massive difference between League 1 and the Championship. Whilst I agree he looked good last season it should be remembered that he’s untried at the level we operate in. I’d say it’s down to the size of the fee. Personally I wouldn’t be paying £3m for him. Yeah, I’m sure Brentford are regretting signing the untried above League 1 Ivan Toney, or how we regretted signing the untried above 3rd tier Marcus Stewart, or how Leicester foolishly wasted their money on untried out of non-league Jamie Vardy etc etc
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 9, 2022 21:18:27 GMT 1
There’s a massive difference between League 1 and the Championship. Whilst I agree he looked good last season it should be remembered that he’s untried at the level we operate in. I’d say it’s down to the size of the fee. Personally I wouldn’t be paying £3m for him. Yeah, I’m sure Brentford are regretting signing the untried above League 1 Ivan Toney, or how we regretted signing the untried above 3rd tier Marcus Stewart, or how Leicester foolishly wasted their money on untried out of non-league Jamie Vardy etc etc I’m not advocating changing our recruitment policy. I just think we should add a few proven players alongside it not instead of it.
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