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Post by ilsonterrier on May 30, 2022 8:58:17 GMT 1
I can handle the defeat as we didn’t create enough. It’s has to take after watching those though. Watching it live I felt like Toffolos might not be a pen but there is clear contact. O’Briens looked nailed on and when you see the replay is is a definite penalty.  was the ref doing not looking at that on VAR. "You can't give what you can't see" is the commentators comment about not being able to see the O'Brien incident through a number of players - isn't that what VAR is supposed to be for? |
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Post by ilsonterrier on May 30, 2022 9:03:07 GMT 1
Guys, can we please stop with the bitching about Forest's shithousery? We've literally been the Kings of shithousing all season, so the hypocrisy is a bit laughable in truth. Deliberate tactics to kick O'Brien every time he got the ball is not shithousing. Bamba not going off behind the goal is shithousing - and Jon Moss knew that and let it happen (and I should perhaps apologise to the family sat in front of me for my prolonged language at that point 😳) |
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Post by Niggled on May 30, 2022 9:08:51 GMT 1
I came out of the ground thinking that with var used they must not have been penalties, I've just seen sky and I'm gobsmacked. That's just blatant cheating .
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on May 30, 2022 9:10:15 GMT 1
Guys, can we please stop with the bitching about Forest's shithousery? We've literally been the Kings of shithousing all season, so the hypocrisy is a bit laughable in truth. Deliberate tactics to kick O'Brien every time he got the ball is not shithousing. Bamba not going off behind the goal is shithousing - and Jon Moss knew that and let it happen (and I should perhaps apologise to the family sat in front of me for my prolonged language at that point 😳) To be fair, Holmes was making that point to Moss and he pointed to his watch to signal that he was adding it on. |
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Post by football on May 30, 2022 9:18:12 GMT 1
Going to have to stop watching these replays too upsetting, roll on next season.
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 30, 2022 10:29:46 GMT 1
The ref cheated, lets get over it, it happens, they are humans and do it for many reasons.
The VAR system was brought in partly to stop refs cheating but if they are all in collusion you still lose.
6 play off games, 3 finals, not one penalty given???
I saw at least 4 stonewall penalties just waved away, there were perhaps 6 or 7 incidents in total, not one given???
The question is why?
We may not have been victimised personally?
Odd that nobody seems to have noticed?
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Post by rockwall on May 30, 2022 10:36:44 GMT 1
Personally, I was not bothered we didnt go up. This season has been fantastic, we managed a day out to Wembley and got to cheer the lads on without any pressure.
It would have been great to have won, but as stated, I wasnt too fussed.
At the time, I wasnt too sure about the penalty decisions, why didnt they show the VAR one on the screen? Was this to hide the fact it was a nailed on penalty? The bbc claimed that the prick Tierney said 'there is contact, but I cant overturn your decision as it was not clear and obvious' this hinting for Moss to go look himself.
Just a shame it is them absolute wetwipes that went up.
The most immature, embarrassing fans I have seen in a very long time. I would say Wednesday are now behind them in terms of Massive!
Hope everyone enjoyed the day, and let's enjoy a division with a lot of close away days!
Burnley
Blackburn
Blackpool
Preston
Hull
Wigan
Rotherham
Sheff Utd
These appeal to me more than commercial days.
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Post by rockwall on May 30, 2022 10:38:42 GMT 1
Are you saying that our tactics were to contain Forest and play for a 0-0 or a lucky draw in a game if such magnitude? If do, Corberan must be shown the door immediately. Zmann is spot on actually I would half agree. Defensively and off the ball we were perfect. We lacked any form of tactic on the counter. We were slow, did not get forward quick enough, didnt get men in the box. On the occasions we got behind their full backs, there was 1 town player in the box. That was the issue for me. |
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Post by rockwall on May 30, 2022 10:42:30 GMT 1
I would also like to add that I feel for Levi and hope he isnt kicking himself.
For me, he did his job, got in front of his man to defend the cross. Another day it hits his knee and goes over, goes wide or even cleared out.
Unfortunately, it went as far in the top corner as you can get.
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on May 30, 2022 11:33:36 GMT 1
Had a great day yesterday apart from the result.
I feel like somebody gave me a free 50-50 chance of winning a hundred quid by making me choose heads or tails and I called wrong. I didn’t win the hundred quid but I also didn’t lose a hundred quid. If we had lost against Reading I would have felt like I had had to bet and lose a hundred quid. If you know what I mean😂.
Anyway despite what others have said I thought we have had an amazing season and competed well in the match yesterday and didn’t deserve to lose. And if not for some real crap reffing decisions should have won or taken to extra time at least. If only we had had VAR…………..🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
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Post by willo on May 30, 2022 12:14:01 GMT 1
Personally, I was not bothered we didnt go up. This season has been fantastic, we managed a day out to Wembley and got to cheer the lads on without any pressure. It would have been great to have won, but as stated, I wasnt too fussed. At the time, I wasnt too sure about the penalty decisions, why didnt they show the VAR one on the screen? Was this to hide the fact it was a nailed on penalty? The bbc claimed that the prick Tierney said 'there is contact, but I cant overturn your decision as it was not clear and obvious' this hinting for Moss to go look himself. Just a shame it is them absolute wetwipes that went up. The most immature, embarrassing fans I have seen in a very long time. I would say Wednesday are now behind them in terms of Massive! Hope everyone enjoyed the day, and let's enjoy a division with a lot of close away days! Burnley Blackburn Blackpool Preston Hull Wigan Rotherham Sheff Utd These appeal to me more than commercial days. Your last comment, we all agreed this on the way home last night. Disappointing but not the end of the world. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 30, 2022 12:18:00 GMT 1
The only thing that bothers me about losing is the money, we would have got relegated bit it would have been a great opportunity to bag some cash and build up a decent squad and make a more 'credible' challenge for promotion along with a credible chance of staying up.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 30, 2022 13:41:18 GMT 1
Lots of folk saying Toffs dived etc.
For a long time I’ve often thought these are the sort of people who haven’t played the game, or can’t appreciate what happens when someone is running at pace and has just one small piece of that momentum taken away, by something that your brain isn’t anticipating.
Footballers do have a tendency to add a bit of theatrics, but it’s not helped by being nobbled in the first place.
Does anyone have the stats for the game as well? It won’t be long before the zero shots on target thing is made to sound like it was a one sided game…
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Post by Detective Boyle on May 30, 2022 15:58:51 GMT 1
Carlos has just been on our train back from KX with his family - always got time to speak to fans and stop for photos.
Top man
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Post by H7 on May 30, 2022 16:02:40 GMT 1
Lots of folk saying Toffs dived etc. For a long time I’ve often thought these are the sort of people who haven’t played the game, or can’t appreciate what happens when someone is running at pace and has just one small piece of that momentum taken away, by something that your brain isn’t anticipating. Footballers do have a tendency to add a bit of theatrics, but it’s not helped by being nobbled in the first place. Does anyone have the stats for the game as well? It won’t be long before the zero shots on target thing is made to sound like it was a one sided game… Whoever is saying Toff dived have clearly never played a single game of football at any level, he's running almost full pelt and shifted directly suddenly so slightly off balance and it is as clear as day there is contact that shunts his right leg into his left, it's a bit theatrical but it's a foul and a penalty 100 times out of 100. It's shambolic that one of the best referees we are meant to have in the country has looked at that in slow motion and several angles and come to the conclusion that a yellow for simulation was the correct outcome. Absolutely baffling. |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on May 30, 2022 16:16:05 GMT 1
Lots of folk saying Toffs dived etc. For a long time I’ve often thought these are the sort of people who haven’t played the game, or can’t appreciate what happens when someone is running at pace and has just one small piece of that momentum taken away, by something that your brain isn’t anticipating. Footballers do have a tendency to add a bit of theatrics, but it’s not helped by being nobbled in the first place. Does anyone have the stats for the game as well? It won’t be long before the zero shots on target thing is made to sound like it was a one sided game… Whoever is saying Toff dived have clearly never played a single game of football at any level, he's running almost full pelt and shifted directly suddenly so slightly off balance and it is as clear as day there is contact that shunts his right leg into his left, it's a bit theatrical but it's a foul and a penalty 100 times out of 100. It's shambolic that one of the best referees we are meant to have in the country has looked at that in slow motion and several angles and come to the conclusion that a yellow for simulation was the correct outcome. Absolutely baffling. Incredible that people think he dived, it really is. I don't think the fall is theatrical either, I can see why it looks that way but when you see his right leg kick his left he goes down exactly the way anyone would, he's not in control of any of it, especially at the speed he is going! This is the best angle of it and this video is proof beyond any doubt that he 100% did not dive, or make a meal of it. There is CLEAR contact and he goes down in a natural manner because of it! |
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Post by midge on May 30, 2022 16:27:48 GMT 1
Whoever is saying Toff dived have clearly never played a single game of football at any level, he's running almost full pelt and shifted directly suddenly so slightly off balance and it is as clear as day there is contact that shunts his right leg into his left, it's a bit theatrical but it's a foul and a penalty 100 times out of 100. It's shambolic that one of the best referees we are meant to have in the country has looked at that in slow motion and several angles and come to the conclusion that a yellow for simulation was the correct outcome. Absolutely baffling. Incredible that people think he dived, it really is. I don't think the fall is theatrical either, I can see why it looks that way but when you see his right leg kick his left he goes down exactly the way anyone would, he's not in control of any of it, especially at the speed he is going! This is the best angle of it and this video is proof beyond any doubt that he 100% did not dive, or make a meal of it. There is CLEAR contact and he goes down in a natural manner because of it! I thought it was a pen when i saw iit live, when i saw the replays and when I saw Colback crossing himself! They always say the reaction of the players tell you everything and having watched a fuller replay on Sky today, look again at the reaction of the 2 players involved if you still think it was a dive!! Toffs is fuming! Players who dive lie on the floor barely looking back! But watch Colback. If Toffs had dived he would have been livid! Confronting him on the floor, pointing and accusing!! …but he doesn’t, he skulks of like a naughty school kid!! Pen all the way!! |
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Post by boooothy on May 30, 2022 16:30:40 GMT 1
I’m more upset about this than i thought i would be.
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Post by Porrohman on May 30, 2022 18:07:47 GMT 1
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Post by Larry David on May 30, 2022 18:09:57 GMT 1
This is going to bite them on the arse after about 2 games in. You watch. This will be retweeted every time they get a decision against them and I will piss my pants. They'll finish dead last next season. It's going to cost them £70m to retain their current squad |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 30, 2022 18:24:53 GMT 1
I'll try and make this my last post on the match thread, but this defeat will keep coming & giving you the occasional gut punch for a while I expect.
Forest were not the better side, it was a fairly even game. Aside from their goal, I seem to recall they only had one more shot where Nichols made a very simple & textbook save. As many of them said, we cancelled out their supposed main threats & their goal was a hopeful shot that got a lucky deflection, shit happens, just unfortunate that it was in a game of such magnitude. As much as Forest were below par, so were we, 2 teams knowing that both had the potential to counter attack quickly and pounce on any numerical difference at the back had a massive impact on players on both sides, who to be fair, could have put on a barnstormer of a game, if it wasn't this particular occasion.
I can't knock Cooper either, I think we'd have been chuffed to bits if he'd come to us & made the massive changes he has at Forest. He doesn't strike me as anything other than a decent bloke & a very good Mgr, much like Corberan, Wagner and a good few others. I actually think these sort of folk don't particularly like having smoke blown up their arse, they're probably quite pleased that they've found the right club & right set of players to make their formula work.
The VAR stuff will roll on for days, if not weeks on here, but it'll soon die down on social media, and if Forest care to look at the BBC sport website, they'll see that their story has already been relegated from the front page, and even the football page you have to scroll down a bit.
That's where most people's frustrations should lie, it's how the media portray these clubs as part of some sort of baked in heritage of the game. All the media does, is constantly shit on the little guys, many of which have got just as much, if not more history than some of these clubs, but anything pre-PL, or at best pre-1970's doesn't get mentioned. There's no story for them to wax lyrical or spout bollocks about...
Both of those sides deserved promotion, nothing much between us across the season, both incredibly consistent teams, which for us is a real shot in the arm and a step in the right direction. But we all knew going into this game that one team & their supporters was going to come away totally deflated, and sadly that was us. It was the ultimate winner takes all game & it's shite to be on the wrong side of that, certainly on the day and in the immediate aftermath anyway.
But overall, I can't really have any gripes against Forest. I suspect their players were quite graceful with our lads after their celebrations had quietened down, why would you begrudge young sportsmen the experience that our lads had a few yrs ago at the very moment that final whistle went, it must be euphoric for them. We would be very churlish to have a pop at that & also to class all Forest fans as being the same as the few nobheads on social media and act like idiots in the ground, and the reverse applies with what other club's supporters think of Town fans. The fanbase of most clubs that have experienced long periods in the lower leagues realises that entitlement is a dangerous thing to hold on to, humility can kick you in the nether regions very quickly...
We'll have to take the shit that comes with such a defeat for a good while from supporters of other clubs. That's football, we'll get the opportunity to give it back at some point, hopefully v soon.
For those people that do wind you up, remember this. We deserved to be in that competition yesterday, based on merit across 48 games. The alternative to that scenario would be us having finished outside the top 6 & some folk on here being the ones baiting the teams competing, which means absolutely zilch. Looking on from a lower position & crowing & baiting supporters about losing a final is the real meaning of sour grapes... Many of those supporters would trade places with us even now...
We just fell short, for reasons that will stick in the craw for a while, but this club & these players will hopefully learn from that disappointment, and who knows what next season will bring? That's the pain & pleasure of supporting a football team, what comes next could be abject failure, or truly momentous, and next season we need to get behind the club & the team and hope it's the latter.
UTT!!!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 30, 2022 18:34:33 GMT 1
Maybe I should re-think the essay I’ve just posted??? 😁 |
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Post by ACW on May 30, 2022 18:59:58 GMT 1
Not much to add that hasn't already been said.
Pretty dire match. Town didn't show up at all in the first half, sitting far too deep, failing to pressurise Forest in possession and failing to support the man on the ball when we had it. The own goal was unlucky, but these things can happen when a teams sits deep, invites pressure and doesn't close down. Sarr should have done better for the goal. Stood still and watched while Colwill tried to cover for his mistake.
Much better second half, but we still weren't able to click. We did get in behind a few times, but all too often the final cross was crap, or we had no one in the box. Or both!
I thought Forest were there to be beaten, particularly in the second half when they looked tired. But we didn't have the necessary quality to take advantage.
The penalty decisions were obviously appalling. The second one especially. Then again, the way the game was going I wouldn't have been confident of scoring, even from the penalty spot! Would have been nice to be given the opportunity though.
A shame an amazing season finished on such a damp squib, but we should all be incredibly proud of an amazing achievement to finish third and get to the play off final. Absolutely superb effort.
Looking forward to next season. Hopefully we can strengthen in a few areas and we don't lose too many key players.
UTT
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 31, 2022 14:32:47 GMT 1
Knowing you’ve been stiffed in such an important game isn’t the best, nor is the fact it won’t change anything.
But perhaps a v small consolation is that we haven’t had the anticipated hordes of WUM’s from Forest and other clubs on here giving it large. That’s probably a measure of them knowing we’ve been stiffed as well.
As said, small consolation, but the lack of WUM’s is ironically what might stop some of our idiots taking things a bit far.
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Post by tophtfc on May 31, 2022 15:38:44 GMT 1
My reflections on the match (with hindsight)
1. Carlos should have gone out to win the match from the start rather than trying to contain Forest
2. Playing Sarr limited our attacking options and options for subs
3. Forest had nothing to offer. Johnson and spence were nullified by towns tactics which had nothing to do with Sarr being on the pitch
4. Russell should have started as should Holmes. Either him or Thomas would have taken Colback to the cleaners and offered more opportunities to put
pressure on forest back line
5. Missed the opportunity to bring on Anjonin who may have offered something different due to having to replace Sarr with one of the subs
6. Perhaps wouldn’t have had to rely on penalty shouts if we’d played first half in the manner we played last 30 mins of the match
Keep the bulk of the team together with some more good loan signings and it ought to be another good season
Just need Carlos to adopt a more positive approach
PS 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 31, 2022 15:51:00 GMT 1
Now watched a little more of the game back. Forest really weren’t that great.
There was a fk not given when Toffolo was nudged in the back by Spence and they gave a throw. It makes you think that Moss might have thought he was a bit theatrical at that point, but there was nothing Toffs could do.
First half we just gave away too much easy possession, and our attacking threat were off their game with the 2-3 promising breaks we had. Their goal was just lucky, but he put it in the mixer and it dropped fortunately for them.
The penalties, man o man…
Moss had given them the fk just as Toffs hit the deck, he had his mind made up already, when most Refs would give themselves time to think.
I’m normally reasonably reserved with these things, but it looks like we were stone cold cheated, not by Forest, they just got lucky, but by PGMOL.
I hope we get the chance to wipe this stain from our history sooner rather than later, but PGMOL can go and fucking whistle, corrupt bastards…
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Post by atowninessex on May 31, 2022 16:35:33 GMT 1
nearly 48 hours to mull it over and still totally pissed off by the ineptitude of the officials and VAR
i don't think they were cheating but had been told not to make any controversial decisions - they didn't think
2 clear pens not given came under that banner obviously!
as soon as i knew john moss was the ref i thought something shit will happen he was always rubbish in the prem when we played
cannot remember but was it him at Cardiff that changed his mind about the penalty ?
i honestly thought before the game that it would be a red card to someone probably hogg or obrien for 2 dodgy yellows
anyway everything's been said about the game so lets look forward to next season
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Post by Mastercracker on May 31, 2022 16:39:13 GMT 1
nearly 48 hours to mull it over and still totally pissed off by the ineptitude of the officials and VAR i don't think they were cheating but had been told not to make any controversial decisions - they didn't think 2 clear pens not given came under that banner obviously! as soon as i knew john moss was the ref i thought something shit will happen he was always rubbish in the prem when we played cannot remember but was it him at Cardiff that changed his mind about the penalty ?i honestly thought before the game that it would be a red card to someone probably hogg or obrien for 2 dodgy yellows anyway everything's been said about the game so lets look forward to next season Lee Mason. Another twat |
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Post by specialun on May 31, 2022 21:56:14 GMT 1
1st half
Pass completion 67% v 89%
Successful passes 96 v 262
Shots 1 v 4
Blatent penalties ignored 0 v 0
2nd half
Pass completion 82% v 70%
Successful passes 235 v 123
Shots 4 v 4
Blatent penalties ignored 2 v 0
Sofascore had Forest slightly edging momentum second half til Russell introduction (without breakdown of second half pre / post 55)
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Post by stinkypete on May 31, 2022 22:17:37 GMT 1
I’m getting more and more pissed off with all this as time passes!
I hope the club come out and make some kind of statement saying how appalled they are with the standard of refereeing on Sunday.
To have opposition players chanting the name of the ref whilst celebrating suggests something isn’t right!
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was the ref doing not looking at that on VAR. 
