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Post by Porrohman on Jun 19, 2022 13:25:06 GMT 1
No, we have Brodie Spencer coming through. If we are not expecting to compete at the top end that is fine. I presume the full international can't be defensively worse than the U21 🤔
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Post by dm on Jun 19, 2022 13:32:51 GMT 1
What has Pipa done that makes people think he'd be a big loss?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 19, 2022 13:53:47 GMT 1
What has Pipa done that makes people think he'd be a big loss? Nothing last season in truth
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Post by Big Ern on Jun 19, 2022 14:15:36 GMT 1
If the figures within that report are true we have barely broken even with him which is baffling.
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Post by crux on Jun 19, 2022 14:31:00 GMT 1
If the figures within that report are true we have barely broken even with him which is baffling. The 'report' is saying a potential €1.3M profit before sell-on clause paid - that assumes we get his current 'value' of €2M.
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Post by rockwall on Jun 19, 2022 14:32:47 GMT 1
If we are not expecting to compete at the top end that is fine. I presume the full international can't be defensively worse than the U21 🤔 Spain u21s would probably beat NI seniors...
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Post by rockwall on Jun 19, 2022 14:33:50 GMT 1
If we are not expecting to compete at the top end that is fine. Did you say the same about the untried Thomas last season? Thomas wasnt untried. He came off the bench a few times the previous season. We knew what he was capable of.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 19, 2022 14:39:18 GMT 1
If the figures within that report are true we have barely broken even with him which is baffling. The 'report' is saying a potential €1.3M profit before sell-on clause paid - that assumes we get his current 'value' of €2M. Id have been a bit miffed if we rejected that for a player who hasn't done much. Great business really
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 19, 2022 14:42:33 GMT 1
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 19, 2022 14:50:19 GMT 1
As has been alluded, if he goes there's already an experienced player in Turton and two young alternatives. He seems completely unnecessary to replace.
Only question is whether Hoyle will permit Recruitment to use the funds generated and saved wages to strengthen where we have gaps.
Without the extra bit of quality, we'll remain reliant on set pieces, of which the opposition will no doubt be more prepared.
Anyway, I'm going off at a tangent....be interesting to see how he progresses, as he looked really promising pre-injury.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 19, 2022 15:11:54 GMT 1
As has been alluded, if he goes there's already an experienced player in Turton and two young alternatives. He seems completely unnecessary to replace. Only question is whether Hoyle will permit Recruitment to use the funds generated and saved wages to strengthen where we have gaps. Without the extra bit of quality, we'll remain reliant on set pieces, of which the opposition will no doubt be more prepared. Anyway, I'm going off at a tangent....be interesting to see how he progresses, as he looked really promising pre-injury. Genuine question, do you think we would have let him go if he was highly rated and they were confident of him signing a new contract? Think we have let him go as he hasn't done anything last season to suggest he's up to much, his injury record is pretty dire and it's highly unlikely he would be offered a new contract. It's probably a good bit of business in my opinion, as you say let's hope the fee and wages can be used to strengthen elsewhere.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 19, 2022 15:18:11 GMT 1
If the figures within that report are true we have barely broken even with him which is baffling. The 'report' is saying a potential €1.3M profit before sell-on clause paid - that assumes we get his current 'value' of €2M. The report linked on the last page says something like ‘according to Transfermarkt Pipa is valued at €2m. If Olympiakos paid this than Espanyol would receive €400k.’ That’s hypothetical, just a guess. Would hope we held out for more than that considering €5m was being mentioned last summer.
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 19, 2022 16:05:40 GMT 1
The 'report' is saying a potential €1.3M profit before sell-on clause paid - that assumes we get his current 'value' of €2M. The report linked on the last page says something like ‘according to Transfermarkt Pipa is valued at €2m. If Olympiakos paid this than Espanyol would receive €400k.’ That’s hypothetical, just a guess. Would hope we held out for more than that considering €5m was being mentioned last summer. Was £5m being mentioned anywhere other than on here ?
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 19, 2022 16:06:33 GMT 1
As has been alluded, if he goes there's already an experienced player in Turton and two young alternatives. He seems completely unnecessary to replace. Only question is whether Hoyle will permit Recruitment to use the funds generated and saved wages to strengthen where we have gaps. Without the extra bit of quality, we'll remain reliant on set pieces, of which the opposition will no doubt be more prepared. Anyway, I'm going off at a tangent....be interesting to see how he progresses, as he looked really promising pre-injury. Genuine question, do you think we would have let him go if he was highly rated and they were confident of him signing a new contract? Think we have let him go as he hasn't done anything last season to suggest he's up to much, his injury record is pretty dire and it's highly unlikely he would be offered a new contract. It's probably a good bit of business in my opinion, as you say let's hope the fee and wages can be used to strengthen elsewhere. If he was playing like he was pre-injury and/or Turton hadn't turns things around and we didn't have the emergence of Spencer, we'd presumably have been much more reluctant. In the circumstances I can see him still being highly rated, just with a potentially miserly budget, we can make a bigger difference with the funds elsewhere.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 19, 2022 16:08:02 GMT 1
Genuine question, do you think we would have let him go if he was highly rated and they were confident of him signing a new contract? Think we have let him go as he hasn't done anything last season to suggest he's up to much, his injury record is pretty dire and it's highly unlikely he would be offered a new contract. It's probably a good bit of business in my opinion, as you say let's hope the fee and wages can be used to strengthen elsewhere. If he was playing like he was pre-injury and/or Turton hadn't turns things around and we didn't have the emergence of Spencer, we'd presumably have been much more reluctant. In the circumstances I can see him still being highly rated, just with a potentially miserly budget, we can make a bigger difference with the funds elsewhere. Yeah I agree as we have plenty of cover in that area, hopefully the money will be reinvested, we'd have been barmy to turn it down really.
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Post by terrier10 on Jun 19, 2022 16:10:08 GMT 1
I think Pipa will fall into a similar category as Naby Sarr did, in that for wages being payed what was the return we were getting.
I don’t know the ins and outs but maybe they’ve seen how Turton had stepped up and in terms of what we are getting back for each £ spent on wages and feel that the time is right to not only get a transfer fee but to also use the money in wages elsewhere?
Pipa pre injury would have been a big loss, however, with the injury his impact and contribution last year was minimal.
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Post by Lovechops on Jun 19, 2022 16:13:17 GMT 1
By the sounds of it going as a bench warmer , Greek mafia owner must be paying big wages !!
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Post by ldotm on Jun 19, 2022 17:56:59 GMT 1
What has Pipa done that makes people think he'd be a big loss? I can see both sides, he was brilliant in the first season I felt. Exciting, positive and caused problems. Since his injury, he’s barely played this season and looked rusty and well off it since. Therefore, with a full pre season I’d be happy him being our first choice RB. But also not disappointed if we get a decent fee for him baring in mind injury risk and poor form.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jun 19, 2022 18:05:17 GMT 1
Exciting going forward. Always worried defenders. I was never sure about him as a defender and he isn’t brilliant at seeing the right pass at the right time.
Turton is not as good going forward but much stronger as a defender and, as has been said, with Spencer coming on, and Rowe, I can see why the club have let him move on.
I’m sure we all wish him success wherever he goes.
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Post by wigster on Jun 19, 2022 20:07:36 GMT 1
I'm sorry - have I missed something ? Everyone is posting as though he has gone - is there any evidence whatsoever that this is remotely the case ?
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 19, 2022 21:09:15 GMT 1
Absolutely bizarre. Few months ago the vast majority were moaning that turton was playing every week then pipa comes back from absolutely ages out injured and doesn’t hit the ground running and Hes now shite.
Give the lad a chance to get fit.
Obvs if a big offer comes in you’d think about it but Christ stop writing folk off.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 19, 2022 21:30:18 GMT 1
Poor decision by the club to just give him an injection instead of operating at the end of 20/21. Missed pre-season ended up having the operation during the season. Unable to train fully or play two games a week until the last month of the season. Looked a top player before his injury. Reckon a full pre-season behind him he'll be back to one of the best RWBs in the division.
If he does leave I wish him all the best but unless we get good money for him with a big sell-on I hope he stays.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 19, 2022 21:34:16 GMT 1
Pipa made 10 starts with 7 substitute appearances last season & we only lost two of those games, Forest FA cup, Forest p/o final. Of the 17 games we kept 9 clean sheets including in exactly half of the games he started. That's not really much of an indicator - correlation does not equal causality. We were on an awesome run of form and he was not the cause. When he came back from injury he seemed to be trying too hard to impress, always taking on too many men etc and not doing the simple stuff. He also took a throw in from the penalty spot. Loads of potential, but frustrating. Also out of contract next summer, although we have a year's option. Decent fee? Take anything in the region of £3m. I think he redeemed himself with the throw in that led to Russell's goal v Luton.
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Post by drumriggend on Jun 19, 2022 21:35:24 GMT 1
Poor decision by the club to just give him an injection instead of operating at the end of 20/21. Missed pre-season ended up having the operation during the season. Unable to train fully or play two games a week until the last month of the season. Looked a top player before his injury. Reckon a full pre-season behind him he'll be back to one of the best RWBs in the division. If he does leave I wish him all the best but unless we get good money for him with a big sell-on I hope he stays. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thank you doctor.. I’m sure the club wish they had employed your medical hindsight earlier.. 🍻
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 19, 2022 21:40:41 GMT 1
Poor decision by the club to just give him an injection instead of operating at the end of 20/21. Missed pre-season ended up having the operation during the season. Unable to train fully or play two games a week until the last month of the season. Looked a top player before his injury. Reckon a full pre-season behind him he'll be back to one of the best RWBs in the division. If he does leave I wish him all the best but unless we get good money for him with a big sell-on I hope he stays. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thank you doctor.. I’m sure the club wish they had employed your medical hindsight earlier.. 🍻 You don't need to be a doctor to realise the injection didn't work seen as he ended up having the operation afew months later. No surprise we brought in a new senior physio in October.
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Post by Tiro on Jun 19, 2022 22:49:08 GMT 1
Poor decision by the club to just give him an injection instead of operating at the end of 20/21. Missed pre-season ended up having the operation during the season. Unable to train fully or play two games a week until the last month of the season. Looked a top player before his injury. Reckon a full pre-season behind him he'll be back to one of the best RWBs in the division. If he does leave I wish him all the best but unless we get good money for him with a big sell-on I hope he stays. You’re obviously not a medical person. There’s not a ‘poor decision’ in it. If you think there is, you’ve been too swayed by Hollywood I’m afraid. No doctor that the club employs makes rash decisions without probability of cause. Just because they work within the remit of the club doesn’t mean they don’t expose their selves to review or worse, council. Their jobs and accreditations are on the line. Possibly more so than a frontline doc in A&E. Not all operations, in the real world, go as well as treatment anticipated. It’s not a 100% science. If this is indeed factually correct, then the doctor gave the club options, in which they ultimately agreed.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 20, 2022 0:05:28 GMT 1
Think it’s telling that Chicken hasn’t commented yet. Usually he’s got an article out denying these things by now.
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Post by melbourneterrier on Jun 20, 2022 1:40:03 GMT 1
Would have liked to have seen how he went with a full pre-season In saying that, with Turton able to step into first choice.
I'm still not 100% on the back ups with Rowe having a worse injury record than Pipa, and Spencer not having made a single league appearance. What if Turton were to get injured? Would REG be an option to take over if that happens? I guess if CC has trust that Spencer can step up, then so be it!
Could potentially allow us to allocate funds to CM, or a third striker
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 20, 2022 11:21:28 GMT 1
I'll be sad to see him leave, just because next season I'm expecting that wherever he is he'll have a great season. Has the talent & has hopefully put his injuries behind him.
Whilst we have other options at RB/RWB (Turton, REG, Rowe, Spencer) I don't think he'll need replacing in that sense - but his attacking ability as almost a "false 10" will need replacing one way or another. It's strange to say that we'll need to replace our RB with an attacking midfielder but I think that's probably the best use of whatever funds we get for him.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jun 20, 2022 16:36:18 GMT 1
Poor decision by the club to just give him an injection instead of operating at the end of 20/21. Missed pre-season ended up having the operation during the season. Unable to train fully or play two games a week until the last month of the season. Looked a top player before his injury. Reckon a full pre-season behind him he'll be back to one of the best RWBs in the division. If he does leave I wish him all the best but unless we get good money for him with a big sell-on I hope he stays. not sure they're really at fault to be honest, he played with injections second half of that season, it was assessed that surgery wasn't necessary and that he'd be better off with rest. He was still in a bit of pain during pre season games so that was that. Surgery is a last resort option and clubs that use it for treatment willynilly don't have their players interest at heart- look at what's happened to Samuel Umtiti for example. The only regrettable thing is that we played Pipa so much while getting injections, which I think exacerbated the injury and also probably prevented him getting a senior Spain cap when the under 21s filled in for them once last summer. But if we hadn't played him we might have got relegated so who knows.
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