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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 9, 2022 9:09:02 GMT 1
So do you not think Danny, working alongside Carlos, and here before Carlos joined, has learned from those same mistakes? You say Schofield is inexperienced. How much more inexperienced is he than Carlos? Not very much I would say and has always been singing from the same songsheet. Carlos did a great job but he was not perfect. Micro managing from the sidelines always looked over the top. I think Danny will be just as focused but calmer. He played a lot longer than Carlos, under a number of different managers, and he has been coaching at different levels for quite a few years. I think he will do fine. No, it's not the same. That's why most new managers take time to develop. Huge difference between learning from a coach and learning to be a manager. I agree it is an extra level of involvement and decision making but he knows the structure and personnel at Town better than anyone we would bring in. He possibly has a closer relationship with DH as well. With Phil bringing Carlos in and being nominally in charge for the majority of his tenure, but also absent for a big chunk at the end, his connection to DH may have been mostly through Bromby, which may be part of the issue. Danny may gave better access to Dean.
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Post by capitalterrier on Jul 9, 2022 9:26:34 GMT 1
No, it's not the same. That's why most new managers take time to develop. Huge difference between learning from a coach and learning to be a manager. I agree it is an extra level of involvement and decision making but he knows the structure and personnel at Town better than anyone we would bring in. He possibly has a closer relationship with DH as well. With Phil bringing Carlos in and being nominally in charge for the majority of his tenure, but also absent for a big chunk at the end, his connection to DH may have been mostly through Bromby, which may be part of the issue. Danny may gave better access to Dean. Which takes me back to my original point, what difference does "knowing the club" make when you're 1-0 up against Burnley with 20mins to go? I'm not saying it's a bad thing that he's familiar with the club and its structure, but if that's his biggest attribute then I think people are right to be a little concerned.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 9, 2022 9:48:57 GMT 1
I agree it is an extra level of involvement and decision making but he knows the structure and personnel at Town better than anyone we would bring in. He possibly has a closer relationship with DH as well. With Phil bringing Carlos in and being nominally in charge for the majority of his tenure, but also absent for a big chunk at the end, his connection to DH may have been mostly through Bromby, which may be part of the issue. Danny may gave better access to Dean. Which takes me back to my original point, what difference does "knowing the club" make when you're 1-0 up against Burnley with 20mins to go? I'm not saying it's a bad thing that he's familiar with the club and its structure, but if that's his biggest attribute then I think people are right to be a little concerned. It is one thing in his favour. When you bring in a 'new broom' and everything changes and everyone has to get used to the way the new guy does things it has a much bigger impact. If you do it because the team is playing poorly then it can be a positive but that it not where we are.
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Post by runner76 on Jul 9, 2022 9:58:28 GMT 1
I agree it is an extra level of involvement and decision making but he knows the structure and personnel at Town better than anyone we would bring in. He possibly has a closer relationship with DH as well. With Phil bringing Carlos in and being nominally in charge for the majority of his tenure, but also absent for a big chunk at the end, his connection to DH may have been mostly through Bromby, which may be part of the issue. Danny may gave better access to Dean. Which takes me back to my original point, what difference does "knowing the club" make when you're 1-0 up against Burnley with 20mins to go? I'm not saying it's a bad thing that he's familiar with the club and its structure, but if that's his biggest attribute then I think people are right to be a little concerned. People are right to be concerned with any rookie full time coach whoever it is…..
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 9, 2022 10:16:31 GMT 1
Reasons to be cheerful, possibly. It is easy to see the things which are wrong, and want for the things we think should be happening but we also need to look at the positives. Excellent recruitment last year at very little initial cost. We haven't lost Toffs and O'Brien - yet. Really good season ticket prices. The players who left, other than Colwill, were ones very few of us were unhappy to see go. Still time for us to bring players in. Hopefully we won't have similar to the last minute Grant situation. Continuity. It is what the club planned for so all the young players who looked like they may be in the frame this season still are and the older players don't have to adapt to a new managers ways. Also they may be able to understand Danny slightly better than they did Carlos How many young players do we have playing for their countries? I know I will miss some but I think two of our young keepers play for Australia at youth level. Scott High for Scotland U21. Sorba for Wales, Spencer for NI, Pat Jones - Wales U21. That is quite something for a Championship side and says a lot about our youth policy.
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Post by detox on Jul 9, 2022 10:41:16 GMT 1
Whoever was going to be coach this season faces the same problem.
The problem Carlos was concerned about, and what decided him to quit.
The squad isn't good enough to progress.
Oggy quoted Carlos's concerns and how he felt he could go no further unless the squad was improved.
So as good as Danny might be, I think everyone knows he's got his work cut out.
I wish him all the best, of course..
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Post by willo on Jul 9, 2022 10:45:30 GMT 1
I’m really split on this. I was a Carlos out man 12 months ago, not going to hide it, just could not see what the plan was before a ball was kicked last season. Then we did what we did! He has now clearly jumped ship due to any real sign of investment this summer and it’s looking like another window of freebies which in fairness worked well last season but did we also just get a little bit fortunate? I’m always of the opinion some of the cheapies will come off but just occasionally, you have to put your hand in your pocket, something this summer we won’t be doing without first selling one of our better players. As for Danny Schofield, he is one of our own and will know the club from top to bottom but don’t tell me he isn’t the cheap option - could go either way, another Wagner/Carlos or another Siewart. And there’s that word again but in all the time I’ve watched Town, I can count on one hand the number of times we’ve pushed the boat out. I’ve always said about us, if it can be done on the cheap, Town will do it on the cheap. We sold Stewie and brought in Martin Smith so this isn’t anything new. DH is looking to sell the club so he won’t pump in any more money than is necessary to run the club on a day to day basis. It’s a bit infuriating after the season we’ve just had but is what it is.
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Post by goodbet on Jul 9, 2022 12:15:00 GMT 1
Reasons to be cheerful, possibly. It is easy to see the things which are wrong, and want for the things we think should be happening but we also need to look at the positives. Excellent recruitment last year at very little initial cost. We can't keep doing this infinitumWe haven't lost Toffs and O'Brien - yet. Really good season ticket prices. YesThe players who left, other than Colwill, were ones very few of us were unhappy to see go. maybeStill time for us to bring players in We have brought players in and we expect more, but they probably would not have fit CC requirement. Hopefully we won't have similar to the last minute Grant situation Or a a last minute buying mishap once again. Continuity. It is what the club planned for so all the young players who looked like they may be in the frame this season ready or notstill are and the older players don't have to adapt to a new managers ways. Also they may be able to understand Danny slightly better than they did Carlos How many young players do we have playing for their countries? I know I will miss some but I think two of our young keepers play for Australia at youth level. Scott High for Scotland U21. Sorba for Wales, Spencer for NI, Pat Jones - Wales U21. That is quite something for a Championship side and says a lot about our youth policy. Cheerfulness can be down to a point of view. A kick in the Bol*@# tends to change your view point. We will all be happier eventually but a lot depends on what happens between now and the season starting.
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Post by sociallydistant on Jul 9, 2022 17:48:29 GMT 1
He’ll pop up somewhere else very soon. Couldn't agree more, there must be quite a few owners thinking they'd like to get rid of their manager but waiting for the right manager to come along. CC will be a massive draw for a lot of teams, both here & abroad. I'm not naive enough to think that tapping up doesn't exist, maybe CC had been approached after Wembley, been offered a new job but stated he wanted to wait & see if promises were delivered at Town. Maybe he's just a snake in the grass..... whatever he is, his stock as a head coach is incredibly high right now after his achievements lat year, so I'll be very surprised if he doesn't pop up somewhere very soon. I never understand people that write on message boards the likes of "there's no point speculating, we'll never know the truth, let's leave it to those that know etc." surely the whole point of these boards is to discuss what's happening at our beloved club? Hes got another job lined up for sure. One that said you can bring a coach a couple of your own back room staff only.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jul 9, 2022 18:22:54 GMT 1
Gone to Harrogate Town on loan for the season.
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Post by griffa on Jul 9, 2022 19:33:18 GMT 1
I’m really split on this. I was a Carlos out man 12 months ago, not going to hide it, just could not see what the plan was before a ball was kicked last season. Then we did what we did! He has now clearly jumped ship due to any real sign of investment this summer and it’s looking like another window of freebies which in fairness worked well last season but did we also just get a little bit fortunate? I’m always of the opinion some of the cheapies will come off but just occasionally, you have to put your hand in your pocket, something this summer we won’t be doing without first selling one of our better players. As for Danny Schofield, he is one of our own and will know the club from top to bottom but don’t tell me he isn’t the cheap option - could go either way, another Wagner/Carlos or another Siewart. And there’s that word again but in all the time I’ve watched Town, I can count on one hand the number of times we’ve pushed the boat out. I’ve always said about us, if it can be done on the cheap, Town will do it on the cheap. We sold Stewie and brought in Martin Smith so this isn’t anything new. DH is looking to sell the club so he won’t pump in any more money than is necessary to run the club on a day to day basis. It’s a bit infuriating after the season we’ve just had but is what it is. Like you Willo, I'd have sacked Carlos after his first season. Last season didn't start well, no wonder, as we brought in 10 new players. The development of the team & Carlos & his coaching team was exciting, We had some excellent & some iffy performances. From the moment the final whistle went at Wembley, after being cheated by Jon Moss, Paul Tierney & Mike Riley, thought that Carlos would leave, as Dean emphasised, how ambitious Carlos is! Disappointed to lose him, with 3 weeks to go, before start of the new season. Players come & go & Managers come & go, nothing new there, but the new season is just around the corner, lets get behind Danny & the lads, in 2022/23 - UTT.
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Post by runner76 on Jul 12, 2022 13:06:39 GMT 1
I reckon head turned and he will pop us elsewhere, saying that, if the 150+ are correct with lack of funds, any idea what funds could have led him to stay?!…..
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 12, 2022 14:55:51 GMT 1
I reckon head turned and he will pop us elsewhere, saying that, if the 150+ are correct with lack of funds, any idea what funds could have led him to stay?!….. I highly doubt he was looking for a blank chequebook, as already pointed out by others, he always knew that wasn't going to be the case. I think what's more likely is that he a will have been looking for a certain % of the (likely inevitable) fees from LOB and Toffolo to be reinvested, which is looking highly unlikely to happen. After publicly declaring that CC would be backed after the final, I suspect a reneging of that could have also been a catalyst. I'm sure he'll have had no shortage of offers before leaving, but that doesn't mean he had his 'head turned' per se, I don't beleive it would have taken an unreasonable investment to keep him here, but I suppose 'unreasonable' is subjective depending on ones priorities, which in DH's case is recovering his initial investment.
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Post by runner76 on Aug 1, 2022 23:22:58 GMT 1
Gone to another club as many thought….
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Post by ram on Aug 2, 2022 11:12:58 GMT 1
General opinion is because he is a shithouse..Where is that voting option?
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Post by runner76 on Aug 2, 2022 19:50:47 GMT 1
General opinion is because he is a shithouse..Where is that voting option? Will add it 😂
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 3, 2022 9:27:27 GMT 1
A very AMBITIOUS Carlos Corberan showed exactly what he could do last season with no funds and should have become every chairmans dream
Seems to me he had a better offer after the play off final from the fat greek and simply jumped ship like most of them do
What made me angry is how on earth was a head coach with Corberans credentials allowed to walk on a FREE and Hoyle needs to be questioned on this IE BAD BUSINESS
The club is the piss taking laughing stock of Nottingham at present as people saying have they -- HUDDERSFIELD -- anything else left that we or Olympiacos want --- maybe Thomas
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Post by Town1971 on Aug 3, 2022 9:53:09 GMT 1
Hoyle has much to answer for in this debacle but I am guessing he won't and will cling on to his Messiah status for many fans.
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Post by westislandterrier on Aug 3, 2022 14:31:43 GMT 1
A very AMBITIOUS Carlos Corberan showed exactly what he could do last season with no funds and should have become every chairmans dream Seems to me he had a better offer after the play off final from the fat greek and simply jumped ship like most of them do What made me angry is how on earth was a head coach with Corberans credentials allowed to walk on a FREE and Hoyle needs to be questioned on this IE BAD BUSINESS The club is the piss taking laughing stock of Nottingham at present as people saying have they -- HUDDERSFIELD -- anything else left that we or Olympiacos want --- maybe Thomas Yeah well they will want our head to head wins record over them which currently reads - HUDDERSFIELD TOWN 25 v NOTTS FOREST 21.... And they can only wet dream of having a support as well respected by others as Huddy Town are - a helluva lot more people like and respect us Terriers and Terrieresse’s over The Notts Forest Treetards any day of the year... Oh and they probably hate us for having a far smarter and cool looking more modern stadium - that Stand dangerously close to the river beside their ground apart - their stadium is ramshackle.. bits added here bits added there and while I like and reminisce about old stadium’s especially our own lovely Leeds Road - that Main Stand at Notts Forest is very unbefitting of a Premier League club far less one that have been European Champions twice... Send these Notts Forest Trees to a debate with Westie and I’ll ‘Leave’ them stripped bare and barking mad with a history lesson or two !
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Post by sociallydistant on Aug 3, 2022 14:49:17 GMT 1
A very AMBITIOUS Carlos Corberan showed exactly what he could do last season with no funds and should have become every chairmans dream Seems to me he had a better offer after the play off final from the fat greek and simply jumped ship like most of them do What made me angry is how on earth was a head coach with Corberans credentials allowed to walk on a FREE and Hoyle needs to be questioned on this IE BAD BUSINESS The club is the piss taking laughing stock of Nottingham at present as people saying have they -- HUDDERSFIELD -- anything else left that we or Olympiacos want --- maybe Thomas CCs last contract was written under Big Phil’s watch. Don’t bring Hoyle into this one. There was no compensation clause. Simples.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 3, 2022 15:16:59 GMT 1
Hoyle has much to answer for in this debacle but I am guessing he won't and will cling on to his Messiah status for many fans. I hope you will attend his next Q&A and seek some answers in person
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Post by mosher on Aug 3, 2022 15:48:38 GMT 1
A very AMBITIOUS Carlos Corberan showed exactly what he could do last season with no funds and should have become every chairmans dream Seems to me he had a better offer after the play off final from the fat greek and simply jumped ship like most of them do What made me angry is how on earth was a head coach with Corberans credentials allowed to walk on a FREE and Hoyle needs to be questioned on this IE BAD BUSINESS The club is the piss taking laughing stock of Nottingham at present as people saying have they -- HUDDERSFIELD -- anything else left that we or Olympiacos want --- maybe Thomas Yeah well they will want our head to head wins record over them which currently reads - HUDDERSFIELD TOWN 25 v NOTTS FOREST 21.... And they can only wet dream of having a support as well respected by others as Huddy Town are - a helluva lot more people like and respect us Terriers and Terrieresse’s over The Notts Forest Treetards any day of the year... Oh and they probably hate us for having a far smarter and cool looking more modern stadium - that Stand dangerously close to the river beside their ground apart - their stadium is ramshackle.. bits added here bits added there and while I like and reminisce about old stadium’s especially our own lovely Leeds Road - that Main Stand at Notts Forest is very unbefitting of a Premier League club far less one that have been European Champions twice... Send these Notts Forest Trees to a debate with Westie and I’ll ‘Leave’ them stripped bare and barking mad with a history lesson or two ! Treetards, fucking brilliant, except my monitor now has coffee dripping off it!!!!
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Post by Town1971 on Aug 3, 2022 16:00:40 GMT 1
Hoyle has much to answer for in this debacle but I am guessing he won't and will cling on to his Messiah status for many fans. I hope you will attend his next Q&A and seek some answers in person I will be there and am quite prepared to do so .
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 3, 2022 16:21:01 GMT 1
A very AMBITIOUS Carlos Corberan showed exactly what he could do last season with no funds and should have become every chairmans dream Seems to me he had a better offer after the play off final from the fat greek and simply jumped ship like most of them do What made me angry is how on earth was a head coach with Corberans credentials allowed to walk on a FREE and Hoyle needs to be questioned on this IE BAD BUSINESS The club is the piss taking laughing stock of Nottingham at present as people saying have they -- HUDDERSFIELD -- anything else left that we or Olympiacos want --- maybe Thomas CCs last contract was written under Big Phil’s watch. Don’t bring Hoyle into this one. There was no compensation clause. Simple Their is such a thing as a contract upgrade to insure the family silver as surely everybody including Hoyle must have realised that there would be other club interest in Corberans coaching skills To late to do anything now but feel it was a bad business move for the club whoever messed up
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Post by itwasapen on Aug 3, 2022 19:24:33 GMT 1
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Aug 3, 2022 20:36:10 GMT 1
A very AMBITIOUS Carlos Corberan showed exactly what he could do last season with no funds and should have become every chairmans dream Seems to me he had a better offer after the play off final from the fat greek and simply jumped ship like most of them do What made me angry is how on earth was a head coach with Corberans credentials allowed to walk on a FREE and Hoyle needs to be questioned on this IE BAD BUSINESS The club is the piss taking laughing stock of Nottingham at present as people saying have they -- HUDDERSFIELD -- anything else left that we or Olympiacos want --- maybe Thomas CCs last contract was written under Big Phil’s watch. Don’t bring Hoyle into this one. There was no compensation clause. Simples. No such thing as a compensation clause if they pick up an unemployed manager. It's highly unlikely we would sign up a young manager with high potential without one, unless you know something we don't?
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 3, 2022 20:40:07 GMT 1
A very AMBITIOUS Carlos Corberan showed exactly what he could do last season with no funds and should have become every chairmans dream Seems to me he had a better offer after the play off final from the fat greek and simply jumped ship like most of them do What made me angry is how on earth was a head coach with Corberans credentials allowed to walk on a FREE and Hoyle needs to be questioned on this IE BAD BUSINESS The club is the piss taking laughing stock of Nottingham at present as people saying have they -- HUDDERSFIELD -- anything else left that we or Olympiacos want --- maybe Thomas CCs last contract was written under Big Phil’s watch. Don’t bring Hoyle into this one. There was no compensation clause. Simples. He told Radio Leeds he had waived it.
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Post by runner76 on Sept 21, 2022 15:09:12 GMT 1
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 21, 2022 15:24:18 GMT 1
Yeah, funny that.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Sept 21, 2022 15:25:25 GMT 1
Shame he didn't match their sporting ambitions
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