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Post by sabailand on Oct 11, 2022 12:28:12 GMT 1
Seems a smug comment from an inexperienced manager/coach. Was lucky he didn’t get sacked by us for nearly getting relegated, granted last year was a good year, then he gets sacked by a Greek team after a month or so. Don’t think he’s in a position to pick and choose top clubs as of yet. You’ve to earn that right. I do think he deserves another crack at the championship though, he did superbly with a group Journeymen, lower league signings and free transfers with a bit of quality we already had. It would be all about the patience of whatever club he went to, it took him a while to get it the way he wanted here, we dont really know how he'd do with money to spend but he's done fine in his short managerial career so far, plenty managers been in the game lots longer and done sweet fa.
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Post by detox on Oct 11, 2022 12:38:05 GMT 1
Seems a smug comment from an inexperienced manager/coach. Was lucky he didn’t get sacked by us for nearly getting relegated, granted last year was a good year, then he gets sacked by a Greek team after a month or so. Don’t think he’s in a position to pick and choose top clubs as of yet. You’ve to earn that right. Damn, beat me to it Joey. It's not like he's won anything. And the way he set us up in the final is the main reason we lost, even if we were subsequently robbed by corrupt/inept (delete as applicable) officials. He's been a manager (in the UK) for two fucking seasons, one good (albeit shit football) one terrifyingly bad (albeit with an horrendous injury list) and expects to pick and choose his next employer? Even in Cyprus he wasn't Alex Ferguson-esque. Did okay at Ermis (6th, then 2nd) but finished 12th out of 14 in his next job at Doxa. That'd be the pre final phone call Marinakis made to Carlos then, on the pretext of congratulating Carlos for a good season, and an 'all the best' for the final etc, then a little teaser when Marinakis says if Town lose and he wants a change of scene there could be a nice job at Olympiakos coming up if you're interested....more money....?
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 11, 2022 12:40:20 GMT 1
Lengthy interview on Sky, interesting but basically said he didn’t think we could get promoted and that’s what he’s interested in. Clearly wants another Championship club he thinks can go up. Knows his limitations as a coach, knows that last season was very much a one-off unlikely to be repeated (there's a reason we were tipped for relegation), especially knowing that Colwill, Sarr, Pipa, Sinani, Toffolo and O'Brien were on their way, or likely on their way, out. It would have taken some hell of a spend to replace those players with equivalent or better players with a high certainty of fitting in to the club and the rest of the team, and turn out immediate results. With Carlos at the helm, we're probably a small handful of places higher than we are now...so good on him for recognising that - "#Limits" - he left at what for him (but not us) was probably the IDEAL time, with his reputation at an all-time high. Stayed with us for the start of this season for 2 or 3 months, and it's already highly unlikely he'd have had the opportunity of European football at Olympiakos. He's basically saying he wants an EASIER job...unfortunately for him, Sheff Utd, Norwich, QPR, Burnley etc aren't looking for someone to step in, and if they were, its highly unlikely he'd be their preferred choice. Same with Wagner when he wanted out really...if you can't realistically take a club any further forward, and can foresee a period of backwards moving, you're better off moving on if the opportunity arises. These guys know the score when they join.
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Oct 11, 2022 12:41:56 GMT 1
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Post by tockyterrier on Oct 11, 2022 12:41:56 GMT 1
Probably just a way of getting fans on board with any club he joins.
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Post by KingNeil on Oct 11, 2022 12:50:22 GMT 1
Carlos is a pathetic little mercenary who had 1 decent season out of 2
He wasn't asking for much when he nearly got us relegated was he??
The first sniff of a bigger payday and he went...he's the Spanish version of Gary rowett
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Oct 11, 2022 12:53:02 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 11, 2022 12:53:02 GMT 1
Carlos is a pathetic little mercenary who had 1 decent season out of 2 He wasn't asking for much when he nearly got us relegated was he?? The first sniff of a bigger payday and he went...he's the Spanish version of Gary rowett He was working for the bloke that brought him in then 🤔.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Oct 11, 2022 12:53:22 GMT 1
Yesterday’s news for me now. I can understand why he left, although it showed no gratitude for sticking with him the previous season. Olympiacos was a stupid move and as a result he’ll probably end up with another difficult Championship job.
Made his bed, now he can lie in it.
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Post by boooothy on Oct 11, 2022 12:56:00 GMT 1
Only my interpretation of what he said obviously but i also thought he wanted his cake and to eat it.
Teams that are willing to spend big are rarely patient like we were putting massive trust in the coach. I’d say something like the West Brom job would suit him in that they have already blown all hopes of promotion this season but would be full on expected next.
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Post by KingNeil on Oct 11, 2022 13:02:10 GMT 1
Carlos is a pathetic little mercenary who had 1 decent season out of 2 He wasn't asking for much when he nearly got us relegated was he?? The first sniff of a bigger payday and he went...he's the Spanish version of Gary rowett He was working for the bloke that brought him in then Carlos tried to say he wanted to be at a club with ambition!! Ffs!! We have been in 2 championship playoff finals in the Last 5 years...if that's not an ambitious club then I don't know what is!! We haven't been below championship level in over 10 years now As always these arguments go back to the Dean hoyle thing where some of you think you have the right to spaff all his money away in a couple of seasons chasing what exactly??
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Post by KingNeil on Oct 11, 2022 13:04:36 GMT 1
Cooper gets a 3 year deal for being bottom of the Premier league
Carlos gets the sack after a few weeks
Maranakis obviously saw something in Carlos he didn't like
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Post by griffa on Oct 11, 2022 13:05:36 GMT 1
Seems a smug comment from an inexperienced manager/coach. Was lucky he didn’t get sacked by us for nearly getting relegated, granted last year was a good year, then he gets sacked by a Greek team after a month or so. Don’t think he’s in a position to pick and choose top clubs as of yet. You’ve to earn that right. Damn, beat me to it Joey. It's not like he's won anything. And the way he set us up in the final is the main reason we lost, even if we were subsequently robbed by corrupt/inept (delete as applicable) officials. He's been a manager (in the UK) for two fucking seasons, one good (albeit shit football) one terrifyingly bad (albeit with an horrendous injury list) and expects to pick and choose his next employer? Even in Cyprus he wasn't Alex Ferguson-esque. Did okay at Ermis (6th, then 2nd) but finished 12th out of 14 in his next job at Doxa. Was shocked when he resigned, but we're better off without him, suspect that he was tapped up by the Fat Greek - UTT.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Oct 11, 2022 13:12:10 GMT 1
Only my interpretation of what he said obviously but i also thought he wanted his cake and to eat it. Teams that are willing to spend big are rarely patient like we were putting massive trust in the coach. I’d say something like the West Brom job would suit him in that they have already blown all hopes of promotion this season but would be full on expected next. My guess is that West Brom are exactly who is trying to tart himself to right now.
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Post by benhomly on Oct 11, 2022 13:15:19 GMT 1
I think what we're seeing is someone who in hindsight clearly made a huge mistake in walking out on us and who is now understandably bigging himself up to try and get another shot in English football. He'll probably get another go at the Championship with someone of similar stature to us and my guess is he'll last about 6 months before being fired and we'll never hear of him again.
* if my early comments on the impact of Covid are anything to go by he'll probably get the West Brom job, take them to the Europa League, end up as successful as Pep and take Spain to World Cup glory in 2030
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Post by detox on Oct 11, 2022 13:29:31 GMT 1
there's a lot of assumptions being made here...We simply don't know what the conversations were between Dean and Carlos,who said what, and when..The fact Carlos quit just before the season started might just be when Dean answered his questions about recruitment ? We don't know, and Dean hasn't said much.. I'm more inclined to think he was bunged before the final, the job at Olympiakos was the cover for his reward in putting out such a dire Town performance in the final, he was never going to be permanent in Greece, his paid up contract all looks legitimate doesn't it. Reading what I have about Marinakis, Carlos likely got an offer he couldn't refuse....
All this is alledgedly, of course..
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Oct 11, 2022 13:35:42 GMT 1
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 11, 2022 13:35:42 GMT 1
there's a lot of assumptions being made here...We simply don't know what the conversations were between Dean and Carlos,who said what, and when..The fact Carlos quit just before the season started might just be when Dean answered his questions about recruitment ? We don't know, and Dean hasn't said much.. I'm more inclined to think he was bunged before the final, the job at Olympiakos was the cover for his reward in putting out such a dire Town performance in the final, he was never going to be permanent in Greece, his paid up contract all looks legitimate doesn't it. Reading what I have about Marinakis, Carlos likely got an offer he couldn't refuse.... All this is alledgedly, of course.. I think that’s probably a bit far fetched, but there was likely some previous contact. Anyone who thinks it was all completely above board should spend a few minutes googling Marianakis.
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Post by nicovaesen on Oct 11, 2022 14:44:49 GMT 1
When’s the October QnA with dean? Got to be high on the agenda about Carlos
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Post by mosher on Oct 11, 2022 14:47:32 GMT 1
When’s the October QnA with dean? Got to be high on the agenda about Carlos October 2032, after he finally manages to find someone rich enough to take us on who won't saddle the club with loans with 25.6% interest! Edit: Not a dig at DH, more a dig at people like the new Burnley owners, the Glazers, etc.
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Post by htfcterry on Oct 11, 2022 14:58:02 GMT 1
When’s the October QnA with dean? Got to be high on the agenda about Carlos I think it's only B&W members allowed to go from what the announcer guy was saying at HT on Saturday. I could be wrong because you can barely hear what is said mind.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 11, 2022 15:01:14 GMT 1
He was working for the bloke that brought him in then Carlos tried to say he wanted to be at a club with ambition!! Ffs!! We have been in 2 championship playoff finals in the Last 5 years...if that's not an ambitious club then I don't know what is!! We haven't been below championship level in over 10 years now As always these arguments go back to the Dean hoyle thing where some of you think you have the right to spaff all his money away in a couple of seasons chasing what exactly?? Ooooh, I must be entitled then 🙄🙄🙄 Anyway, congratulations on the quickest about turn, on here, on the boss. Slagged him off all through the Fotheringham thread then we get 4 points from 2 games and he's OK now 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by KingNeil on Oct 11, 2022 15:19:25 GMT 1
Ooooh, I must be entitled then 🙄🙄🙄 Anyway, congratulations on the quickest about turn, on here, on the boss. Slagged him off all through the Fotheringham thread then we get 4 points from 2 games and he's OK now 🤣🤣🤣 I questioned us taking such a gamble on him yes It's still a gamble,,and I never wanted him to fail! And I'm very happy with the points tally from the first 3 games
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Post by KingNeil on Oct 11, 2022 15:35:50 GMT 1
Regards Dean
I don't always agree with how he does things
Would I do things differently if I had his wealth?
Absolutely YES
But I can sort of understand why he runs the club the way he does...Mel Morris spent a fortune at Derby and ended up running out of cash and now they are where they are
Us on the other hand have championship football year upon year down to Dean,, so I am very grateful for this and respect him as a person...but won't always agree with him
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 11, 2022 17:15:39 GMT 1
When’s the October QnA with dean? Got to be high on the agenda about Carlos I think it's only B&W members allowed to go from what the announcer guy was saying at HT on Saturday. I could be wrong because you can barely hear what is said mind. I think I heard, "and guests".
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Post by Towner47 on Oct 11, 2022 17:34:43 GMT 1
I could not care less what CC does .He is history as far as Town are concerned IMO
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Oct 11, 2022 18:00:22 GMT 1
Or does he mean he wants a job where the chairman will back him and give him the best chance of achieving promotion ? Going off the folk who said Hoyle wouldn't get the players he'd asked for 🤔 ‘Where the chairman will back him’ is a term I hear a lot. Another way of saying it would be ‘spend millions of pounds, of you and your families own money, on a risk, that you probably won’t get back, to keep one manager happy’
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Post by dugnet on Oct 11, 2022 18:19:40 GMT 1
As frustrated as I have been in the recent past the CC story is closed and we have to move on.
Those in charge have made good decisions and have also made less good decisions. I expect that to be the pattern going forward.
I don't know if MF will be successful but I'm pretty sure he will say what he wants and won't be afraid of doing so. Which is what he needs to do.
I will always think things could have been done better in the past few years. Losing Carlos is one of those, but he went and we have to get on with it.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 11, 2022 18:36:17 GMT 1
Or does he mean he wants a job where the chairman will back him and give him the best chance of achieving promotion ? Going off the folk who said Hoyle wouldn't get the players he'd asked for 🤔 ‘Where the chairman will back him’ is a term I hear a lot. Another way of saying it would be ‘spend millions of pounds, of you and your families own money, on a risk, that you probably won’t get back, to keep one manager happy’ Or, alternatively, having some ambition to succeed rather than treading water. Ask Slapps if he'll let you borrow "entitled" of him 🙄
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Oct 11, 2022 19:06:57 GMT 1
‘Where the chairman will back him’ is a term I hear a lot. Another way of saying it would be ‘spend millions of pounds, of you and your families own money, on a risk, that you probably won’t get back, to keep one manager happy’ Or, alternatively, having some ambition to succeed rather than treading water. Ask Slapps if he'll let you borrow "entitled" of him 🙄 Sorry mate it’s gone right over my head. Why would I be entitled? Or are you saying I think you are?
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Post by herefordaway on Oct 11, 2022 19:13:48 GMT 1
I thought last season was a big over achievement,the pundits and 95% of Town fans including myself thought we were in for a relegation battle.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 11, 2022 19:15:27 GMT 1
Or, alternatively, having some ambition to succeed rather than treading water. Ask Slapps if he'll let you borrow "entitled" of him 🙄 Sorry mate it’s gone right over my head. Why would I be entitled? Or are you saying I think you are? Not you, it just seems to be the insult of choice on here aimed at anyone that thinks we weren't showing much ambition after last season 🤷♂️. But I didn't want you to get into a copyright row with him over it 😉
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Oct 11, 2022 19:18:30 GMT 1
Sorry mate it’s gone right over my head. Why would I be entitled? Or are you saying I think you are? Not you, it just seems to be the insult of choice on here aimed at anyone that thinks we weren't showing much ambition after last season 🤷♂️. But I didn't want you to get into a copyright row with him over it 😉 Im just quantifying the terms used, such as ‘back the manager’ ‘show ambition’. Other than spending millions, what’s the alternatives?
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