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Post by Porrohman on Feb 20, 2023 22:58:33 GMT 1
After witnessing the team transformation on Saturday, are you 100% sure that MF didn't have anything to do with Sorba playing shit? I'd love to know what happened in 48 hours to players who have, on the whole, been shit all season. Because for the first time this season, we've actually got a proper manager in charge. He tends to play well for proper managers, does Sorba |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 20, 2023 23:07:16 GMT 1
It wasn't the manager's fault he forgot how to kick a football and his set pieces went to shit.
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Post by runner76 on Feb 20, 2023 23:57:14 GMT 1
When’s he contracted until with Town?…
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Post by 28901 on Feb 21, 2023 0:44:19 GMT 1
It wasn't the manager's fault he forgot how to kick a football and his set pieces went to shit. And still managed to create more chances than anyone else. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 21, 2023 0:55:21 GMT 1
How many did he create in open play?
id have thought if you told Tom Lees or Hogg to take every free kick and corner they'd create most chances too so its a bit of red herring that stat IMO.
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Post by willhudd on Feb 21, 2023 1:32:04 GMT 1
How many did he create in open play? id have thought if you told Tom Lees or Hogg to take every free kick and corner they'd create most chances too so its a bit of red herring that stat IMO. I think Lees would prefer to be on the end of his corners - how many did him and Pearson score last season Lees Rhodes ward hogg thomas nichols (start of season) have all underperformed this year compared to last year but sorba gets the stick. He can't be that bad if a team that is 4th in the same league wants him and puts him into the starting line up straight away- why is that? If he was as bad as some people say on here he would have gone to Harrogate! Last time on commenting im this crazy thread |
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Post by typical on Feb 21, 2023 1:47:52 GMT 1
How many did he create in open play? id have thought if you told Tom Lees or Hogg to take every free kick and corner they'd create most chances too so its a bit of red herring that stat IMO. I think Lees would prefer to be on the end of his corners - how many did him and Pearson score last season Lees Rhodes ward hogg thomas nichols (start of season) have all underperformed this year compared to last year but sorba gets the stick. He can't be that bad if a team that is 4th in the same league wants him and puts him into the starting line up straight away- why is that? If he was as bad as some people say on here he would have gone to Harrogate! Last time on commenting im this crazy thread I think that’s harsh criticism for Rhodes there, if anything I think he’s improved markedly since last season. His hold up play has been solid (was his weaker point last season), and he has outperformed his XG too compared to last year! |
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 21, 2023 9:41:30 GMT 1
I think Lees would prefer to be on the end of his corners - how many did him and Pearson score last season Lees Rhodes ward hogg thomas nichols (start of season) have all underperformed this year compared to last year but sorba gets the stick. He can't be that bad if a team that is 4th in the same league wants him and puts him into the starting line up straight away- why is that? If he was as bad as some people say on here he would have gone to Harrogate! Last time on commenting im this crazy thread I think that’s harsh criticism for Rhodes there, if anything I think he’s improved markedly since last season. His hold up play has been solid (was his weaker point last season), and he has outperformed his XG too compared to last year! Swap Ward in for Rhodes |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 21, 2023 10:19:49 GMT 1
Lots of last seasons regulars started this season well below how they were performing back then.
Imo there was only Ollie Turton who didnt.
But the 2 players who dropped most were Thomas and Russell IMO and unlike the others they never got any of that form back. All the others did to varying degrees.
Hopefully he'll get the form he showed in the first half of last season back at Blackburn. He'll either come back here revitalised under a new manager next season, or he'll have impressed someone for us to cash in on him.
By the sounds of it, the caveat to that might be the crowd thing about him contacting that girl on social media...so its maybe likely he'll push for a move away whatever.
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Post by harris on Feb 21, 2023 10:21:43 GMT 1
How many did he create in open play? id have thought if you told Tom Lees or Hogg to take every free kick and corner they'd create most chances too so its a bit of red herring that stat IMO. He’s the best in the league at set piece delivery. Surely you understand that can be beneficial? |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Feb 21, 2023 10:42:31 GMT 1
Agent sorba needs to do a job over Blackpool tonight for us
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 21, 2023 10:45:40 GMT 1
It wasn't the manager's fault he forgot how to kick a football and his set pieces went to shit. And still managed to create more chances than anyone else. True Doesn't say much about the rest as the lad's form had visibly fallen off a cliff. Rudoni, for example, is half the player but he's stuck at it, never thrown the towel in and still gives 100% week in week out. Sorba's attitude was terrible at times, beating the pitch like a kid with the temper tantrums. He developed a bit of a Cristiano Ronaldo attitude about him. Too much ego, had to go... |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 21, 2023 10:52:12 GMT 1
How many did he create in open play? id have thought if you told Tom Lees or Hogg to take every free kick and corner they'd create most chances too so its a bit of red herring that stat IMO. . Surely you understand that can be beneficial? Is or was? We scored loads of goals from his set pieces last season. I dont have a figure but it certainly feels like weve hardly scored any from them this season. Its just another part of his game that hasnt been as good IMO. |
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Post by ram on Feb 21, 2023 10:53:31 GMT 1
He will probably score an OG just to rub it in. VLP
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 21, 2023 12:42:39 GMT 1
And still managed to create more chances than anyone else. True Doesn't say much about the rest as the lad's form had visibly fallen off a cliff. Rudoni, for example, is half the player but he's stuck at it, never thrown the towel in and still gives 100% week in week out. Sorba's attitude was terrible at times, beating the pitch like a kid with the temper tantrums. He developed a bit of a Cristiano Ronaldo attitude about him. Too much ego, had to go... Rudoni is half the player Sorba is ? |
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Post by Melc on Feb 21, 2023 13:26:08 GMT 1
When’s he contracted until with Town?… 2026 with option of further year. |
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Post by mallyb on Feb 21, 2023 13:35:08 GMT 1
He’s the best in the league at set piece delivery. Surely you understand that can be beneficial? Is or was? We scored loads of goals from his set pieces last season. I dont have a figure but it certainly feels like weve hardly scored any from them this season. Its just another part of his game that hasnt been as good IMO. Interesting that you are not prepared to defend Kids who's forms is bound to be variable with same same veracity that you repeatedly defended MF. Yet MF destroyed the confidence of each young player at the club, 2 key ones from last season have now left, one permanently and you still criticise them while defending MF. Just for the Record Sorba Thomas has 6 assists which puts him joint 8th in the league this season. Only 4 players have created more chances per 90 minutes and they are all at top half teams. He last created an assist in October, so created 6 assists in the first 13 games. Wonder why the assists dried up in October, any significant changes at the club at that time? Maybe your best mate arriving had the negative effect most of us saw from early on. You were wrong about MF and you are wrong again about Sorba. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 21, 2023 14:08:49 GMT 1
True Doesn't say much about the rest as the lad's form had visibly fallen off a cliff. Rudoni, for example, is half the player but he's stuck at it, never thrown the towel in and still gives 100% week in week out. Sorba's attitude was terrible at times, beating the pitch like a kid with the temper tantrums. He developed a bit of a Cristiano Ronaldo attitude about him. Too much ego, had to go... Rudoni is half the player Sorba is ? Maybe 7/12ths |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 21, 2023 14:09:25 GMT 1
Or 5/12ths
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 21, 2023 14:55:02 GMT 1
Rudoni is half the player Sorba is ? Maybe 7/12ths Or 13/12's |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 21, 2023 15:01:31 GMT 1
Come back to me when he's scored an actual goal. 13/12ths of Diarra 5/12ths of Sorba 7/12ths of Holmes. That's not knocking him. He could still yet play a big part in keeping us up. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 21, 2023 15:19:01 GMT 1
Is or was? We scored loads of goals from his set pieces last season. I dont have a figure but it certainly feels like weve hardly scored any from them this season. Its just another part of his game that hasnt been as good IMO. Interesting that you are not prepared to defend Kids who's forms is bound to be variable with same same veracity that you repeatedly defended MF. Yet MF destroyed the confidence of each young player at the club, 2 key ones from last season have now left, one permanently and you still criticise them while defending MF. Just for the Record Sorba Thomas has 6 assists which puts him joint 8th in the league this season. Only 4 players have created more chances per 90 minutes and they are all at top half teams. He last created an assist in October, so created 6 assists in the first 13 games. Wonder why the assists dried up in October, any significant changes at the club at that time? Maybe your best mate arriving had the negative effect most of us saw from early on. You were wrong about MF and you are wrong again about Sorba. Clearly MF told him to stop putting in decent crosses and set pieces then. Cant possibly be the players fault at all. How many assists did he have in open play this season? The difference between defending MF ( if thats what you think I was doing ) and defending Sorba, is I know Sorba can be so much better than hes looked. I cant say that about Fotheringham. I didnt particularly rate Fotheringham but I said he would have kept us up ( as he'd been on track to for a lot of the season despite contending with an injury crisis ) and I still think he would have. Have you jumped in your time machine again to take a look if you know I was wrong? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 21, 2023 15:20:56 GMT 1
Come back to me when he's scored an actual goal. 13/12ths of Diarra 5/12ths of Sorba 7/12ths of Holmes. That's not knocking him. He could still yet play a big part in keeping us up. Hes almost 3 years younger and got so much more to his game than Sorba in my opinion. |
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Post by mrg on Feb 21, 2023 15:36:48 GMT 1
In his interview with the examiner hes just said he wanted to be playing more and felt he had lots to offer and fell out of favour with the (shite) manager. Fozzy lost me at his first press conference talking shite about himself. Thank God that's over.
Imho anyone blaming the players for this mess doesn't understand whats been brewing at the club since dh let Stuart webber leave 5 years ago. Massive mismanagement and he who shall never be mentioned again thinking he could actually manage.
Thank God Warnock is back and let's just focus on what we have and hopefully stay up. Until last week id not felt so depressed since Malcolm Mcdonald was in charge. Its the management's job to manage the players as warnock showed last week.
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Post by runner76 on Feb 21, 2023 16:06:08 GMT 1
When’s he contracted until with Town?… 2026 with option of further year. Hope he has a brilliant rest season at Blackburn then as it sounds like he is not coming back from language in his story........ideally they get promoted and pay silly millions for him as their hero goal scorer |
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Post by mallyb on Feb 21, 2023 16:08:40 GMT 1
Interesting that you are not prepared to defend Kids who's forms is bound to be variable with same same veracity that you repeatedly defended MF. Yet MF destroyed the confidence of each young player at the club, 2 key ones from last season have now left, one permanently and you still criticise them while defending MF. Just for the Record Sorba Thomas has 6 assists which puts him joint 8th in the league this season. Only 4 players have created more chances per 90 minutes and they are all at top half teams. He last created an assist in October, so created 6 assists in the first 13 games. Wonder why the assists dried up in October, any significant changes at the club at that time? Maybe your best mate arriving had the negative effect most of us saw from early on. You were wrong about MF and you are wrong again about Sorba. Clearly MF told him to stop putting in decent crosses and set pieces then. Cant possibly be the players fault at all. How many assists did he have in open play this season? The difference between defending MF ( if thats what you think I was doing ) and defending Sorba, is I know Sorba can be so much better than hes looked. I cant say that about Fotheringham. I didnt particularly rate Fotheringham but I said he would have kept us up ( as he'd been on track to for a lot of the season despite contending with an injury crisis ) and I still think he would have. Have you jumped in your time machine again to take a look if you know I was wrong? My mistake, wasn't aware open play assists were worth more than set plays. How many open play goals did we score under MF total? not enough, suggests his 11 defenders approach maybe limited options for Sorba in open play. Also I agree Sorba can be better, my point is that when so many players are below par perhaps the problem is not the individuals but the coach. Warnock had 2 days and players were motivated, that was slowly eroded under MF. No better measure of that than NP took over after Danny and won a tricky game, he took over after MF and looked really poor in much easier games. Morale was shot As close a proof as we can get that this squad was not staying up under MF. 3 freak result improved his PPG but since the new year our ppg had dropped off a cliff in easy games. Combine that with the change of manager bounce at all the teams around us and no way was MF keeping us up. The display Saturday is a world away from anything MF produced and Im still not sure Neil will keep us up with that level of improvement every week. Obviously you are so arrogant that you are never wrong, even when you are clearly wrong. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 21, 2023 16:19:58 GMT 1
Clearly MF told him to stop putting in decent crosses and set pieces then. Cant possibly be the players fault at all. How many assists did he have in open play this season? The difference between defending MF ( if thats what you think I was doing ) and defending Sorba, is I know Sorba can be so much better than hes looked. I cant say that about Fotheringham. I didnt particularly rate Fotheringham but I said he would have kept us up ( as he'd been on track to for a lot of the season despite contending with an injury crisis ) and I still think he would have. Have you jumped in your time machine again to take a look if you know I was wrong? My mistake, wasn't aware open play assists were worth more than set plays. How many open play goals did we score under MF total? not enough, suggests his 11 defenders approach maybe limited options for Sorba in open play. Also I agree Sorba can be better, my point is that when so many players are below par perhaps the problem is not the individuals but the coach. Warnock had 2 days and players were motivated, that was slowly eroded under MF. No better measure of that than NP took over after Danny and won a tricky game, he took over after MF and looked really poor in much easier games. Morale was shot As close a proof as we can get that this squad was not staying up under MF. 3 freak result improved his PPG but since the new year our ppg had dropped off a cliff in easy games. Combine that with the change of manager bounce at all the teams around us and no way was MF keeping us up. The display Saturday is a world away from anything MF produced and Im still not sure Neil will keep us up with that level of improvement every week. Obviously you are so arrogant that you are never wrong, even when you are clearly wrong.Shame youre not bright enough to see the irony in that comment. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 21, 2023 16:29:04 GMT 1
Hope Sorba smashes it tonight.
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 21, 2023 16:59:07 GMT 1
Hes almost 3 years younger and got so much more to his game than Sorba in my opinion. Rudoni's got age on his side alright and I hope he does improve on what has been a poor season in my opinion. Sorba is way better I think, general play, set piece accuracy, end product, actual stats. I think he was unlucky not to get a move to the Premier league in the summer and I was chuffed he'd siged a big contract and stayed tbh. Rudoni has stamina and potential but the number of times he gets himself in to decent positions just to mess up all his good work. Hope it comes right for him because he'll be an asset if he does. It was only the other week he beat his man, broke into the penalty area and then proceeded to just fall over. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Feb 21, 2023 17:12:19 GMT 1
How many assists did he have in open play this season? Assists are funny stat, you are far better looking at chances created that assists as if you create a chance and the striker misses it then thats hardly your fault. Sorba created 72 chances (shots on goal) this season for Town, an average of 3.55 per game. Next in line is Rudoni, who has played more games than Sorba with 63, an average of 2.40 per game. Sorba was no where the near the levels he was last season under Carlos, I don't think anyone would argue that he was, but the facts still remain that despite being 'poor' for us this season he was by far the most creative outlet we had. |
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