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Post by waggers on Feb 21, 2023 17:16:12 GMT 1
How many assists did he have in open play this season? Assists are funny stat, you are far better looking at chances created that assists as if you create a chance and the striker misses it then thats hardly your fault. Sorba created 72 chances (shots on goal) this season for Town, an average of 3.55 per game. Next in line is Rudoni, who has played more games than Sorba with 63, an average of 2.40 per game. Sorba was no where the near the levels he was last season under Carlos, I don't think anyone would argue that he was, but the facts still remain that despite being 'poor' for us this season he was by far the most creative outlet we had. I don't think Thomas would be out on loan if the managerial change was made earlier, it's a blow as I think he'd have got his form back under the right tutelage. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 21, 2023 17:17:56 GMT 1
Hes almost 3 years younger and got so much more to his game than Sorba in my opinion. Rudoni's got age on his side alright and I hope he does improve on what has been a poor season in my opinion. Sorba is way better I think, general play, set piece accuracy, end product, actual stats. I think he was unlucky not to get a move to the Premier league in the summer and I was chuffed he'd siged a big contract and stayed tbh. Rudoni has stamina and potential but the number of times he gets himself in to decent positions just to mess up all his good work. Hope it comes right for him because he'll be an asset if he does. It was only the other week he beat his man, broke into the penalty area and then proceeded to just fall over. Purely thinking about this season.. I think Rudoni's better in the air, better with the ball at feet, better stamina, better defensively. His set piece delivery is good.. not as good as Sorbas was last season, but I dont see any big difference this time. Hes certainly got a lot of developing to do yet, end product being the main thing , but to me hes well on the way to being a really good player and I could certainly see him attracting interest from the PL in time. Not sure hes a player to compare to Sorba anyway as their games and positions are very different . I wouldn't have been surprised if a PL club had put in a bid for Sorba last summer at all. His performances last season, particularly before xmas will have caught the eye of a few clubs. I was chuffed too that he stayed. If they continued watching him this time though they'll be glad they didnt Id imagine. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 21, 2023 17:22:40 GMT 1
How many assists did he have in open play this season? Assists are funny stat, you are far better looking at chances created that assists as if you create a chance and the striker misses it then thats hardly your fault. Sorba created 72 chances (shots on goal) this season for Town, an average of 3.55 per game. Next in line is Rudoni, who has played more games than Sorba with 63, an average of 2.40 per game. Sorba was no where the near the levels he was last season under Carlos, I don't think anyone would argue that he was, but the facts still remain that despite being 'poor' for us this season he was by far the most creative outlet we had. I agree I think assists stats are a poor way to rate a player. Tap it a yard to the side for your teammate to hammer it in from 35 yards and you get an assist. Do a worldy through ball and he misses, it doesn't register. Chances created is probably better, though if you took Sorba off all the set pieces Id wonder what his figures for that would be... similarly if you put Rudoni on them all. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 21, 2023 17:25:29 GMT 1
Assists are funny stat, you are far better looking at chances created that assists as if you create a chance and the striker misses it then thats hardly your fault. Sorba created 72 chances (shots on goal) this season for Town, an average of 3.55 per game. Next in line is Rudoni, who has played more games than Sorba with 63, an average of 2.40 per game. Sorba was no where the near the levels he was last season under Carlos, I don't think anyone would argue that he was, but the facts still remain that despite being 'poor' for us this season he was by far the most creative outlet we had. I don't think Thomas would be out on loan if the managerial change was made earlier, it's a blow as I think he'd have got his form back under the right tutelage. Guess we'll never know. Would anyone, Warnock included, be picking Sorba over Hungbo after that last game for our right hand side? I know I wouldn't. |
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Post by H6dds on Feb 21, 2023 17:26:48 GMT 1
Assists are funny stat, you are far better looking at chances created that assists as if you create a chance and the striker misses it then thats hardly your fault. Sorba created 72 chances (shots on goal) this season for Town, an average of 3.55 per game. Next in line is Rudoni, who has played more games than Sorba with 63, an average of 2.40 per game. Sorba was no where the near the levels he was last season under Carlos, I don't think anyone would argue that he was, but the facts still remain that despite being 'poor' for us this season he was by far the most creative outlet we had. I agree I think assists stats are a poor way to rate a player. Tap it a yard to the side for your teammate to hammer it in from 35 yards and you get an assist. Do a worldy through ball and he misses, it doesn't register. Chances created is probably better, though if you took Sorba off all the set pieces Id wonder what his figures for that would be... similarly if you put Rudoni on them all. Considering the last few games rudonis chance created stats wouldn’t change if he took a thousand corners |
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Post by bentley316 on Feb 21, 2023 17:29:10 GMT 1
Honestly, i think he mightve gone on loan regardless. I suspect the loan fee went on wages/fees for our January signings.
Either way, he is an asset to this team. Like him or not he cares and id rather have him in our team than some of the others.
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Post by hoggy1975 on Feb 21, 2023 17:51:06 GMT 1
Interesting that you are not prepared to defend Kids who's forms is bound to be variable with same same veracity that you repeatedly defended MF. Yet MF destroyed the confidence of each young player at the club, 2 key ones from last season have now left, one permanently and you still criticise them while defending MF. Just for the Record Sorba Thomas has 6 assists which puts him joint 8th in the league this season. Only 4 players have created more chances per 90 minutes and they are all at top half teams. He last created an assist in October, so created 6 assists in the first 13 games. Wonder why the assists dried up in October, any significant changes at the club at that time? Maybe your best mate arriving had the negative effect most of us saw from early on. You were wrong about MF and you are wrong again about Sorba. Clearly MF told him to stop putting in decent crosses and set pieces then. Cant possibly be the players fault at all. How many assists did he have in open play this season? The difference between defending MF ( if thats what you think I was doing ) and defending Sorba, is I know Sorba can be so much better than hes looked. I cant say that about Fotheringham. I didnt particularly rate Fotheringham but I said he would have kept us up ( as he'd been on track to for a lot of the season despite contending with an injury crisis ) and I still think he would have. Have you jumped in your time machine again to take a look if you know I was wrong? What makes you think Town would have stayed up with Fotheringham? Do you think we would have beaten Birmingham on Saturday with MF in charge? I imagine there would have been several thousand not there and a different formation/personnel/tactics and we would have lost and the manager would have come out with the usual drivel afterwards. I think we have given ourselves the best chance of staying up by bringing in Warnock and if we brought him in two weeks earlier we would have had more points on the board. I'd also blame the players as well if that is a point you bring up. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 21, 2023 18:56:45 GMT 1
I don't think Thomas would be out on loan if the managerial change was made earlier, it's a blow as I think he'd have got his form back under the right tutelage. Guess we'll never know. Would anyone, Warnock included, be picking Sorba over Hungbo after that last game for our right hand side? I know I wouldn't. No, but he'd get into Sorbas head and get him playing again. To be able to rotate them would've been good |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 21, 2023 19:24:18 GMT 1
Clearly MF told him to stop putting in decent crosses and set pieces then. Cant possibly be the players fault at all. How many assists did he have in open play this season? The difference between defending MF ( if thats what you think I was doing ) and defending Sorba, is I know Sorba can be so much better than hes looked. I cant say that about Fotheringham. I didnt particularly rate Fotheringham but I said he would have kept us up ( as he'd been on track to for a lot of the season despite contending with an injury crisis ) and I still think he would have. Have you jumped in your time machine again to take a look if you know I was wrong? What makes you think Town would have stayed up with Fotheringham? Do you think we would have beaten Birmingham on Saturday with MF in charge? I imagine there would have been several thousand not there and a different formation/personnel/tactics and we would have lost and the manager would have come out with the usual drivel afterwards. I think we have given ourselves the best chance of staying up by bringing in Warnock and if we brought him in two weeks earlier we would have had more points on the board. I'd also blame the players as well if that is a point you bring up. Im glad weve replaced him with Warnock. But I think wed have stayed up with MF because the form we'd been showing ( points per game ) since about mid October to the new year was going to do that... and that was despite contending with an injury crisis throughout. We were heading for about 51 points. What cost him his job was the team then throwing away 6 points in 4 games, starting with the away game at hull, the QPR game we should have won and the Blackpool farce. We should have won all 3 of those games and had we we'd have been out of the bottom 3. But we didnt. But I still think he would have kept us up by may. I have more confidence in Warnock to do it though so im not complaining about the decision at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 19:34:34 GMT 1
Hope he does well wherever he ends up,for me though he's overrated.
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Post by waggers on Feb 21, 2023 19:37:08 GMT 1
Guess we'll never know. Would anyone, Warnock included, be picking Sorba over Hungbo after that last game for our right hand side? I know I wouldn't. No, but he'd get into Sorbas head and get him playing again. To be able to rotate them would've been good Giving him some strong competition would get the best out of both of them. I like Hungbo don't get me wrong but Thomas in the squad/off the bench would have certainly made us stronger. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 21, 2023 19:55:50 GMT 1
He wasn't happy being on the bench though. That was a big part of the problem.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 21, 2023 20:31:07 GMT 1
He wasn't happy being on the bench though. That was a big part of the problem. He wouldn't always have been on the bench and would be part of a squad that's a lot happier and more together |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 21, 2023 20:50:01 GMT 1
He wasn't always on the bench this season but it didn't stop him from playing poorly and behaving like a petulant child at times.
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Post by tockyterrier on Feb 21, 2023 21:24:46 GMT 1
Just created a goal that might help us every bit has much as one he might have created for Town.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 21, 2023 21:41:52 GMT 1
Clearly Blackburn are not thinking anything negative about him.
In the team fighting for promotion.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 21, 2023 21:45:42 GMT 1
Clearly Blackburn are not thinking anything negative about him. In the team fighting for promotion. Their fans didn't seem that impressed when I had a quick look the other day. We miss his set pieces, we don't miss him trying stupid flicks and slapping the floor while crying to the ref |
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Post by conman on Feb 21, 2023 22:01:52 GMT 1
Clearly Blackburn are not thinking anything negative about him. In the team fighting for promotion. Neither were we at the start. |
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Post by 28901 on Feb 21, 2023 22:59:48 GMT 1
What makes you think Town would have stayed up with Fotheringham? Do you think we would have beaten Birmingham on Saturday with MF in charge? I imagine there would have been several thousand not there and a different formation/personnel/tactics and we would have lost and the manager would have come out with the usual drivel afterwards. I think we have given ourselves the best chance of staying up by bringing in Warnock and if we brought him in two weeks earlier we would have had more points on the board. I'd also blame the players as well if that is a point you bring up. Im glad weve replaced him with Warnock. But I think wed have stayed up with MF because the form we'd been showing ( points per game ) since about mid October to the new year was going to do that... and that was despite contending with an injury crisis throughout. We were heading for about 51 points. What cost him his job was the team then throwing away 6 points in 4 games, starting with the away game at hull, the QPR game we should have won and the Blackpool farce. We should have won all 3 of those games and had we we'd have been out of the bottom 3. But we didnt. But I still think he would have kept us up by may. I have more confidence in Warnock to do it though so im not complaining about the decision at all. Don't agree. His results had been reasonable but to me the team looked done after Blackpool and we were heading for a disastrous run which Chicho wasn't able to stem. We would have been cut adrift mid March. |
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Post by deepc on Feb 21, 2023 23:18:33 GMT 1
Agree with this.
We did not have a hope in hell with MF.
3points in his last 5 games and appalling performances to go with them. Cov away was abject and loosing the second half to the 10 men of Blackpool was jaw dropping. We had gone from a team that was poor but was putting the effort in to a team that had thrown the towel in.
Still think we will struggle to get out of this but with Warnock in charge at least we will have a go and it should be entertaining
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Post by shawsie on Feb 22, 2023 0:23:02 GMT 1
Rudoni's got age on his side alright and I hope he does improve on what has been a poor season in my opinion. Sorba is way better I think, general play, set piece accuracy, end product, actual stats. I think he was unlucky not to get a move to the Premier league in the summer and I was chuffed he'd siged a big contract and stayed tbh. Rudoni has stamina and potential but the number of times he gets himself in to decent positions just to mess up all his good work. Hope it comes right for him because he'll be an asset if he does. It was only the other week he beat his man, broke into the penalty area and then proceeded to just fall over. Purely thinking about this season.. I think Rudoni's better in the air, better with the ball at feet, better stamina, better defensively. His set piece delivery is good.. not as good as Sorbas was last season, but I dont see any big difference this time. Hes certainly got a lot of developing to do yet, end product being the main thing , but to me hes well on the way to being a really good player and I could certainly see him attracting interest from the PL in time. Not sure hes a player to compare to Sorba anyway as their games and positions are very different . I wouldn't have been surprised if a PL club had put in a bid for Sorba last summer at all. His performances last season, particularly before xmas will have caught the eye of a few clubs. I was chuffed too that he stayed. If they continued watching him this time though they'll be glad they didnt Id imagine. Well on the way to being a good player based on what exactly? He came as an offensive goalscoring midfielder and 2/3 into the season hes got zero goals and a modest number of assists despite playing almost every game! Has talent on the ball and clearly played in a poor team this season but for long spells hes looked way short of this level imho. Hopefully warnock can ignite him!! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 22, 2023 1:27:21 GMT 1
Purely thinking about this season.. I think Rudoni's better in the air, better with the ball at feet, better stamina, better defensively. His set piece delivery is good.. not as good as Sorbas was last season, but I dont see any big difference this time. Hes certainly got a lot of developing to do yet, end product being the main thing , but to me hes well on the way to being a really good player and I could certainly see him attracting interest from the PL in time. Not sure hes a player to compare to Sorba anyway as their games and positions are very different . I wouldn't have been surprised if a PL club had put in a bid for Sorba last summer at all. His performances last season, particularly before xmas will have caught the eye of a few clubs. I was chuffed too that he stayed. If they continued watching him this time though they'll be glad they didnt Id imagine. Well on the way to being a good player based on what exactly? He came as an offensive goalscoring midfielder and 2/3 into the season hes got zero goals and a modest number of assists despite playing almost every game! Has talent on the ball and clearly played in a poor team this season but for long spells hes looked way short of this level imho. Hopefully warnock can ignite him!! Id agree the end result is the part of his game thats been very disappointing. Id liken him to Obrien in that way, but it didnt mean Obrien wasnt a good player. Hopefully Warnock will improve that part of his game but I think hes well on the way to being a good player based on his technical ability, his energy and commitment. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 22, 2023 1:35:30 GMT 1
Im glad weve replaced him with Warnock. But I think wed have stayed up with MF because the form we'd been showing ( points per game ) since about mid October to the new year was going to do that... and that was despite contending with an injury crisis throughout. We were heading for about 51 points. What cost him his job was the team then throwing away 6 points in 4 games, starting with the away game at hull, the QPR game we should have won and the Blackpool farce. We should have won all 3 of those games and had we we'd have been out of the bottom 3. But we didnt. But I still think he would have kept us up by may. I have more confidence in Warnock to do it though so im not complaining about the decision at all. Don't agree. His results had been reasonable but to me the team looked done after Blackpool and we were heading for a disastrous run which Chicho wasn't able to stem. We would have been cut adrift mid March. Well we'll never know I suppose and I accept my opinion is not shared by many, if any on here. Blackpool was the tipping point for Fotheringham. But I think its harsh to blame MF for those two points dropped. I didnt think he himself did anything wrong that game...at some point its the guys who cross the white line that cost the points. For example Pearson .. a player I like a lot, but the non-clearance he put in for their first goal straight to their man on the edge of the area...how is that down to Fotheringham? The various players who let their guy run past them and cross in for the second.. how is that? |
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Post by impact on Feb 22, 2023 1:58:04 GMT 1
Assists are funny stat, you are far better looking at chances created that assists as if you create a chance and the striker misses it then thats hardly your fault. Sorba created 72 chances (shots on goal) this season for Town, an average of 3.55 per game. Next in line is Rudoni, who has played more games than Sorba with 63, an average of 2.40 per game. Sorba was no where the near the levels he was last season under Carlos, I don't think anyone would argue that he was, but the facts still remain that despite being 'poor' for us this season he was by far the most creative outlet we had. I agree I think assists stats are a poor way to rate a player. Tap it a yard to the side for your teammate to hammer it in from 35 yards and you get an assist. Do a worldy through ball and he misses, it doesn't register. Chances created is probably better, though if you took Sorba off all the set pieces Id wonder what his figures for that would be... similarly if you put Rudoni on them all. In the last 3 games, Rudoni has amassed 0.13 xA after being on all set pieces. Not per game, in total. Sorba created 0.21 tonight for Blackburn. I don't think people realise just how good Sorba's set pieces were. You don't get it all from just taking them, they still have to be very good. His output in open play is talked down far too much as well. |
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 22, 2023 7:52:08 GMT 1
How many assists did he have in open play this season? Assists are funny stat, you are far better looking at chances created that assists as if you create a chance and the striker misses it then thats hardly your fault. Sorba created 72 chances (shots on goal) this season for Town, an average of 3.55 per game. Next in line is Rudoni, who has played more games than Sorba with 63, an average of 2.40 per game. Sorba was no where the near the levels he was last season under Carlos, I don't think anyone would argue that he was, but the facts still remain that despite being 'poor' for us this season he was by far the most creative outlet we had. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 9:41:33 GMT 1
Town have an option into 2027 with Sorba's contract. If he does well at Blackburn, especially if they get promoted, he will be worth a few quid in the summer. I personally feel Hungbo is a better player. He is quicker, has more tenacity and is more of a goal threat. Sorba's set pieces can be excellent but he wasn't showing that before he left and looked like he was trying too hard to impress. His loan may have paid for Vaclík's transfer, which will be ironic if Bilo stays as No.1. He would be a good player to have in the squad, if his head is right, but I don't think, under Warnock, he would have been a regular starter.
Come the summer, anything could happen with Sorba. A new owner, new manager, it could be very different. I think he will still leave and if he does good luck to him.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 22, 2023 9:48:38 GMT 1
Rudoni's got age on his side alright and I hope he does improve on what has been a poor season in my opinion. Sorba is way better I think, general play, set piece accuracy, end product, actual stats. I think he was unlucky not to get a move to the Premier league in the summer and I was chuffed he'd siged a big contract and stayed tbh. Rudoni has stamina and potential but the number of times he gets himself in to decent positions just to mess up all his good work. Hope it comes right for him because he'll be an asset if he does. It was only the other week he beat his man, broke into the penalty area and then proceeded to just fall over. Purely thinking about this season.. I think Rudoni's better in the air, better with the ball at feet, better stamina, better defensively. His set piece delivery is good.. not as good as Sorbas was last season, but I dont see any big difference this time. Hes certainly got a lot of developing to do yet, end product being the main thing , but to me hes well on the way to being a really good player and I could certainly see him attracting interest from the PL in time. Not sure hes a player to compare to Sorba anyway as their games and positions are very different . I wouldn't have been surprised if a PL club had put in a bid for Sorba last summer at all. His performances last season, particularly before xmas will have caught the eye of a few clubs. I was chuffed too that he stayed. If they continued watching him this time though they'll be glad they didnt Id imagine. Rudoni is 21 Thomas is 24 In 3 years, I think Rudoni will be twice the player at 24 than Sorbs is at 24. It's a shame Sorba isn't here for the Warnock era. He would get him playing like the Sorba of last season. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 22, 2023 10:04:58 GMT 1
Assists are funny stat, you are far better looking at chances created that assists as if you create a chance and the striker misses it then thats hardly your fault. Sorba created 72 chances (shots on goal) this season for Town, an average of 3.55 per game. Next in line is Rudoni, who has played more games than Sorba with 63, an average of 2.40 per game. Sorba was no where the near the levels he was last season under Carlos, I don't think anyone would argue that he was, but the facts still remain that despite being 'poor' for us this season he was by far the most creative outlet we had. Jesus thats complicated for this time in a morning!  |
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Post by runner76 on Feb 22, 2023 10:24:00 GMT 1
Town have an option into 2027 with Sorba's contract. If he does well at Blackburn, especially if they get promoted, he will be worth a few quid in the summer. I personally feel Hungbo is a better player. He is quicker, has more tenacity and is more of a goal threat. Sorba's set pieces can be excellent but he wasn't showing that before he left and looked like he was trying too hard to impress. His loan may have paid for Vaclík's transfer, which will be ironic if Bilo stays as No.1. He would be a good player to have in the squad, if his head is right, but I don't think, under Warnock, he would have been a regular starter. Come the summer, anything could happen with Sorba. A new owner, new manager, it could be very different. I think he will still leave and if he does good luck to him. Well, come summer Sorba will technically be back with us and Hungbo will leave at end of loan |
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Post by morleyterrier on Feb 22, 2023 10:24:07 GMT 1
Town have an option into 2027 with Sorba's contract. If he does well at Blackburn, especially if they get promoted, he will be worth a few quid in the summer. I personally feel Hungbo is a better player. He is quicker, has more tenacity and is more of a goal threat. Sorba's set pieces can be excellent but he wasn't showing that before he left and looked like he was trying too hard to impress. His loan may have paid for Vaclík's transfer, which will be ironic if Bilo stays as No.1. He would be a good player to have in the squad, if his head is right, but I don't think, under Warnock, he would have been a regular starter. Come the summer, anything could happen with Sorba. A new owner, new manager, it could be very different. I think he will still leave and if he does good luck to him. You are missing one extremely important attribute that Hungbo has against Sorba. Hungbo has the bottle and heart for a fight at the wrong end of the table. That for me ends this debate as to what Sorba may or may not able to do with a football as ultimately it is irrelevant. |
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