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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Feb 22, 2023 10:34:10 GMT 1
Some absolute nonsense being pedalled on this page, no surprise it’s by CaptainSlapper!
Fotheringham was taking us down. He started off not bad and then he lost the plot. He deserved sacking purely for the Blackpool result (combined with laughing with McCarthy at the final whistle) – his performance leading that team last night was an utter disgrace. We should have buried them by 3 or 4 and I’m sure a Warnock team would have. He was taking us down in last place IMO.
Rudoni has been decent to good but i) his corners have been pretty average and ii) he’s a long way off getting Premier League attention. Comparing his best assets to O’Brien’s worst assets to somehow conflate and compare the two is bizarre. O’Brien isn’t great on the ball but his engine, work-rate, pressing and tackling is fantastic and carried this team last year. Rudoni has had nowhere near the same impact, if he had we wouldn’t be in the bottom 3. Bringing O’Brien into it just weakens your support of Rudoni.
Thomas’s set pieces are leagues ahead of Rudoni. Throw a blanket on the six yard box and Thomas could be whipping it over the top of it almost every time, Rudoni would get it maybe 4 times out of 10.
Anyway, on Thomas. It’s a real shame Warnock couldn’t work his magic on him as he’s just what the lad needs. Hopefully we stay up and get another great man manager in that can get the best out of him – there’s a very effective player at this level in Thomas, he just needs an arm round his shoulder and the right guidance, on and off the pitch.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 22, 2023 10:37:26 GMT 1
Some absolute nonsense being pedalled on this page, no surprise it’s by CaptainSlapper! Fotheringham was taking us down. He started off not bad and then he lost the plot. He deserved sacking purely for the Blackpool result (combined with laughing with McCarthy at the final whistle) – his performance leading that team last night was an utter disgrace. We should have buried them by 3 or 4 and I’m sure a Warnock team would have. He was taking us down in last place IMO. Rudoni has been decent to good but i) his corners have been pretty average and ii) he’s a long way off getting Premier League attention. Comparing his best assets to O’Brien’s worst assets to somehow conflate and compare the two is bizarre. O’Brien isn’t great on the ball but his engine, work-rate, pressing and tackling is fantastic and carried this team last year. Rudoni has had nowhere near the same impact, if he had we wouldn’t be in the bottom 3. Bringing O’Brien into it just weakens your support of Rudoni. Thomas’s set pieces are leagues ahead of Rudoni. Throw a blanket on the six yard box and Thomas could be whipping it over the top of it almost every time, Rudoni would get it maybe 4 times out of 10. Anyway, on Thomas. It’s a real shame Warnock couldn’t work his magic on him as he’s just what the lad needs. Hopefully we stay up and get another great man manager in that can get the best out of him – there’s a very effective player at this level in Thomas, he just needs an arm round his shoulder and the right guidance, on and off the pitch. Agree with a lot of this, but the set pieces part I disagree. Rudoni has put better balls in than Sorba this season. But as usual, Huddersfield Town always seem to ruin set piece takers and most the time don't beat the 1st man! |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 22, 2023 11:17:53 GMT 1
Town have an option into 2027 with Sorba's contract. If he does well at Blackburn, especially if they get promoted, he will be worth a few quid in the summer. I personally feel Hungbo is a better player. He is quicker, has more tenacity and is more of a goal threat. Sorba's set pieces can be excellent but he wasn't showing that before he left and looked like he was trying too hard to impress. His loan may have paid for Vaclík's transfer, which will be ironic if Bilo stays as No.1. He would be a good player to have in the squad, if his head is right, but I don't think, under Warnock, he would have been a regular starter. Come the summer, anything could happen with Sorba. A new owner, new manager, it could be very different. I think he will still leave and if he does good luck to him. You are missing one extremely important attribute that Hungbo has against Sorba. Hungbo has the bottle and heart for a fight at the wrong end of the table. That for me ends this debate as to what Sorba may or may not able to do with a football as ultimately it is irrelevant. Spot on for once Morley 😉 Thomas happy to be here when we are doing well. Jumps ship at the 1st sighting of a struggle in his own form and our position. As well as he did last season, I personally wouldn't mind if we let him go. I feel he has an ego that will hinder more than help his career. 1st all the WC trash talk. Now all the 'angry and frustrated' at our club. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 22, 2023 11:28:20 GMT 1
You are missing one extremely important attribute that Hungbo has against Sorba. Hungbo has the bottle and heart for a fight at the wrong end of the table. That for me ends this debate as to what Sorba may or may not able to do with a football as ultimately it is irrelevant. Post of the day! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 22, 2023 11:40:05 GMT 1
Some absolute nonsense being pedalled on this page, no surprise it’s by CaptainSlapper! Cheers!Fotheringham was taking us down. His points per game ratio said otherwise. He started off not bad and then he lost the plot. What plot.. murder plot? vegetable plot? He deserved sacking purely for the Blackpool result (combined with laughing with McCarthy at the final whistle) – his performance leading that team last night was an utter disgrace Why? he told the players to make a crappy clearance for their first and let players run past them for the second then? We should have buried them by 3 or 4 and I’m sure a Warnock team would have. He was taking us down in last place IMO. Rudoni has been decent to good but i) his corners have been pretty average and ii) he’s a long way off getting Premier League attention . I said I think he will in time, not now. Comparing his best assets to O’Brien’s worst assets to somehow conflate and compare the two is bizarre. As is you thinking that is what I did! I was comparing Rudonis worst asset to Obriens worst asset. O’Brien isn’t great on the ball but his engine, work-rate, pressing and tackling is fantastic and carried this team last year. Rudoni has had nowhere near the same impact, if he had we wouldn’t be in the bottom 3. Bringing O’Brien into it just weakens your support of Rudoni. Again, I was just saying both have a particular weakness and in both cases it doesn't make them a poor player.Thomas’s set pieces are leagues ahead of Rudoni. Last season maybe. We cant score off them this season though. Throw a blanket on the six yard box and Thomas could be whipping it over the top of it almost every time, Rudoni would get it maybe 4 times out of 10. Anyway, on Thomas. It’s a real shame Warnock couldn’t work his magic on him as he’s just what the lad needs. Hopefully we stay up and get another great man manager in that can get the best out of him – there’s a very effective player at this level in Thomas, he just needs an arm round his shoulder and the right guidance, on and off the pitch. |
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Post by softboy on Feb 22, 2023 11:42:32 GMT 1
When Sorba was at his best taking corners/free kicks we had Lees, Pearson, Colwill running into the box to get on the end of them. Rudoni hasn't.
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Post by twyford on Feb 22, 2023 13:08:45 GMT 1
When Sorba was at his best taking corners/free kicks we had Lees, Pearson, Colwill running into the box to get on the end of them. Rudoni hasn't. And Sarr |
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Post by mallyb on Feb 22, 2023 14:37:05 GMT 1
Some absolute nonsense being pedalled on this page, no surprise it’s by CaptainSlapper! Cheers!Fotheringham was taking us down. His points per game ratio said otherwise. He started off not bad and then he lost the plot. What plot.. murder plot? vegetable plot? He deserved sacking purely for the Blackpool result (combined with laughing with McCarthy at the final whistle) – his performance leading that team last night was an utter disgrace Why? he told the players to make a crappy clearance for their first and let players run past them for the second then? We should have buried them by 3 or 4 and I’m sure a Warnock team would have. He was taking us down in last place IMO. Rudoni has been decent to good but i) his corners have been pretty average and ii) he’s a long way off getting Premier League attention . I said I think he will in time, not now. Comparing his best assets to O’Brien’s worst assets to somehow conflate and compare the two is bizarre. As is you thinking that is what I did! I was comparing Rudonis worst asset to Obriens worst asset. O’Brien isn’t great on the ball but his engine, work-rate, pressing and tackling is fantastic and carried this team last year. Rudoni has had nowhere near the same impact, if he had we wouldn’t be in the bottom 3. Bringing O’Brien into it just weakens your support of Rudoni. Again, I was just saying both have a particular weakness and in both cases it doesn't make them a poor player.Thomas’s set pieces are leagues ahead of Rudoni. Last season maybe. We cant score off them this season though. Throw a blanket on the six yard box and Thomas could be whipping it over the top of it almost every time, Rudoni would get it maybe 4 times out of 10. Anyway, on Thomas. It’s a real shame Warnock couldn’t work his magic on him as he’s just what the lad needs. Hopefully we stay up and get another great man manager in that can get the best out of him – there’s a very effective player at this level in Thomas, he just needs an arm round his shoulder and the right guidance, on and off the pitch. MF points per game this year is 2 from 15. That was not keeping us up and that was the direction of travel under his management. Imagine the whinging MF would have done about his available defenders at the weekend while telling us he doesn’t moan about it and just gets on with it! Still your never wrong slaps!!! |
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 22, 2023 15:51:49 GMT 1
Some absolute nonsense being pedalled on this page, no surprise it’s by CaptainSlapper! Cheers!Fotheringham was taking us down. His points per game ratio said otherwise. He started off not bad and then he lost the plot. What plot.. murder plot? vegetable plot? He deserved sacking purely for the Blackpool result (combined with laughing with McCarthy at the final whistle) – his performance leading that team last night was an utter disgrace Why? he told the players to make a crappy clearance for their first and let players run past them for the second then? We should have buried them by 3 or 4 and I’m sure a Warnock team would have. He was taking us down in last place IMO. Rudoni has been decent to good but i) his corners have been pretty average and ii) he’s a long way off getting Premier League attention . I said I think he will in time, not now. Comparing his best assets to O’Brien’s worst assets to somehow conflate and compare the two is bizarre. As is you thinking that is what I did! I was comparing Rudonis worst asset to Obriens worst asset. O’Brien isn’t great on the ball but his engine, work-rate, pressing and tackling is fantastic and carried this team last year. Rudoni has had nowhere near the same impact, if he had we wouldn’t be in the bottom 3. Bringing O’Brien into it just weakens your support of Rudoni. Again, I was just saying both have a particular weakness and in both cases it doesn't make them a poor player.Thomas’s set pieces are leagues ahead of Rudoni. Last season maybe. We cant score off them this season though. Throw a blanket on the six yard box and Thomas could be whipping it over the top of it almost every time, Rudoni would get it maybe 4 times out of 10. Anyway, on Thomas. It’s a real shame Warnock couldn’t work his magic on him as he’s just what the lad needs. Hopefully we stay up and get another great man manager in that can get the best out of him – there’s a very effective player at this level in Thomas, he just needs an arm round his shoulder and the right guidance, on and off the pitch. Ref the bit in bold: Could you not say that about any manager or head coach? Every time something goes wrong? Bottom line is better coaching, better man-management and better game management might have prevented them from being in that position in the first place. Mental fatigue was probably the most significant reason. That's a head coach's responsibility to sort. |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Feb 22, 2023 17:03:06 GMT 1
Stay up.
New owners
Warnock one last job
Get Hungo and Sorba in the same team.
Sign some decent ducking centre mids.
Hudlin 25 goals
Back to the PL.
Simples.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 22, 2023 17:03:47 GMT 1
You are missing one extremely important attribute that Hungbo has against Sorba. Hungbo has the bottle and heart for a fight at the wrong end of the table. That for me ends this debate as to what Sorba may or may not able to do with a football as ultimately it is irrelevant. Spot on for once Morley 😉 Thomas happy to be here when we are doing well. Jumps ship at the 1st sighting of a struggle in his own form and our position. As well as he did last season, I personally wouldn't mind if we let him go. I feel he has an ego that will hinder more than help his career. 1st all the WC trash talk. Now all the 'angry and frustrated' at our club. Did he jump or was he pushed? I don't know! But if I was offered a way out from MF's coaching and a shot of playing towards the top of the table rather than scraping along the bottom I might have jumped as well if given the opportunity. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 22, 2023 17:09:52 GMT 1
MF points per game this year is 2 from 15. That was not keeping us up and that was the direction of travel under his management. Imagine the whinging MF would have done about his available defenders at the weekend while telling us he doesn’t moan about it and just gets on with it! Still your never wrong slaps!!! Yeah the players threw away 6 points from the Hull, QPR and Blackpool games this year and that cost him his job. We should have taken those points and continued the route to surviving MF had had us on since Mid October. I find it really amusing just how irritated you seem to be that I have a view you dont agree with!  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 22, 2023 17:14:16 GMT 1
Ref the bit in bold: Could you not say that about any manager or head coach? Every time something goes wrong? Bottom line is better coaching, better man-management and better game management might have prevented them from being in that position in the first place. Mental fatigue was probably the most significant reason. That's a head coach's responsibility to sort. To a point it is. But I just dont agree with this idea that every time a player cocks up, its the managers fault. If we'd had Pep Guardiola on the bench at Blackpool, would that have made Pearson not make that abysmal clearance straight to their man? But Pearson did do that.. and because he did, it means Fotheringham had 'lost the plot' apparently. |
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Post by mallyb on Feb 22, 2023 17:21:01 GMT 1
Ref the bit in bold: Could you not say that about any manager or head coach? Every time something goes wrong? Bottom line is better coaching, better man-management and better game management might have prevented them from being in that position in the first place. Mental fatigue was probably the most significant reason. That's a head coach's responsibility to sort. To a point it is. But I just dont agree with this idea that every time a player cocks up, its the managers fault. If we'd had Pep Guardiola on the bench at Blackpool, would that have made Pearson not make that abysmal clearance straight to their man? But Pearson did do that.. and because he did, it means Fotheringham had 'lost the plot' apparently. Not every time a player cocks up because even the best players make mistakes. When a whole squad underperforms and immediately improve that performance with 2 days of a different coach thane the old coach was having a bearing on that performance. If Pearson and sorbs et al hadn’t performed previously you could say they weren’t good enough. But when they have performed before under a good coach and perform again under a good manager then quite clearly the coach with getting the bad performances is a big part of the problem. If not anybody could do it and the best team would always get promoted because they have the best players! |
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Post by mallyb on Feb 22, 2023 17:26:19 GMT 1
MF points per game this year is 2 from 15. That was not keeping us up and that was the direction of travel under his management. Imagine the whinging MF would have done about his available defenders at the weekend while telling us he doesn’t moan about it and just gets on with it! Still your never wrong slaps!!! Yeah the players threw away 6 points from the Hull, QPR and Blackpool games this year and that cost him his job. We should have taken those points and continued the route to surviving MF had had us on since Mid October. I find it really amusing just how irritated you seem to be that I have a view you dont agree with! Different manager same squad we get those points. You have many viewpoints I don’t agree with, can’t remember one I agree with, maybe when Dean announced he was stepping back the second time. What is amusing is your need to be right, to the extent that you are on here all day defending indefensible statements you made while MF was still here. |
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 22, 2023 17:30:27 GMT 1
Ref the bit in bold: Could you not say that about any manager or head coach? Every time something goes wrong? Bottom line is better coaching, better man-management and better game management might have prevented them from being in that position in the first place. Mental fatigue was probably the most significant reason. That's a head coach's responsibility to sort. To a point it is. But I just dont agree with this idea that every time a player cocks up, its the managers fault. If we'd had Pep Guardiola on the bench at Blackpool, would that have made Pearson not make that abysmal clearance straight to their man? But Pearson did do that.. and because he did, it means Fotheringham had 'lost the plot' apparently. It isn't. But you have to question WHY these mistakes kept happening. It's not like we were riding high in the table but just happened to have a one-off bad day! Nor is it as though we'd just plucked a few players from the local pub & told them to have a go. These are not bad players. Not world-beaters but they're better than the league position suggests. If we'd had Pep Guardiola (or even just a bang average head coach) working with them for months, I would expect better game management & better coaching as a minimum! So that the players had clear instructions & a proper, well thought out game plan. So they knew exactly what was expected of them so that they could close out a game they were winning - twice - against 10 men. So they don't suffer from the same mental fatigue of having to firefight for 90 minutes that inevitably leads to mistakes. Worth noting the opposition we had in his last few games. Those were our relegation rivals &/or sides that were in rotten form & they still had too much for us. Worth noting how utterly defeated Pearson was in that interview. That didn't come from just one bad day, but months. MP is not a weak willed guy, but someone who would run through brick walls for the cause - and he looked done. Buzz wasn't sacked for one result. He was sacked because it looked inevitable that we were going into Lg1 if we didn't make a change. |
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Post by ldr on Feb 22, 2023 17:33:13 GMT 1
I sometimes wish Slapps had his own personal area on DATM, where he could admit he was totally and bewilderingly wrong away from the glare of the main board. It would like his own safe space. He would have been great in WW1 as he really likes to dig in.
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Post by ldr on Feb 22, 2023 17:34:31 GMT 1
To a point it is. But I just dont agree with this idea that every time a player cocks up, its the managers fault. If we'd had Pep Guardiola on the bench at Blackpool, would that have made Pearson not make that abysmal clearance straight to their man? But Pearson did do that.. and because he did, it means Fotheringham had 'lost the plot' apparently. It isn't. But you have to question WHY these mistakes kept happening. It's not like we were riding high in the table but just happened to have a one-off bad day! If we'd had Pep Guardiola (or even just a bang average head coach) working with them for months, I would expect better game management & better coaching as a minimum! So that the players had clear instructions & a proper, well thought out game plan. So they knew exactly what was expected of them so that they could close out a game they were winning - twice - against 10 men. So they don't suffer from the same mental fatigue of having to firefight for 90 minutes that inevitably leads to mistakes. My memory is shot but didn’t MF do some stupid subbing away at Blackpool? |
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 22, 2023 17:37:35 GMT 1
It isn't. But you have to question WHY these mistakes kept happening. It's not like we were riding high in the table but just happened to have a one-off bad day! If we'd had Pep Guardiola (or even just a bang average head coach) working with them for months, I would expect better game management & better coaching as a minimum! So that the players had clear instructions & a proper, well thought out game plan. So they knew exactly what was expected of them so that they could close out a game they were winning - twice - against 10 men. So they don't suffer from the same mental fatigue of having to firefight for 90 minutes that inevitably leads to mistakes. My memory is shot but didn’t MF do some stupid subbing away at Blackpool? Not that game IMO. Other than Diarra on for High they're all like for like/fresh legs: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64441514 |
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Post by ldr on Feb 22, 2023 17:42:31 GMT 1
My memory is shot but didn’t MF do some stupid subbing away at Blackpool? Not that game IMO. Other than Diarra on for High they're all like for like/fresh legs: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64441514Fair enough. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 22, 2023 18:12:21 GMT 1
Yeah the players threw away 6 points from the Hull, QPR and Blackpool games this year and that cost him his job. We should have taken those points and continued the route to surviving MF had had us on since Mid October. I find it really amusing just how irritated you seem to be that I have a view you dont agree with! Different manager same squad we get those points. You have many viewpoints I don’t agree with, can’t remember one I agree with, maybe when Dean announced he was stepping back the second time. What is amusing is your need to be right, to the extent that you are on here all day defending indefensible statements you made while MF was still here. I dont have the same need to be right that you seem to. Im just giving my opinion. I couldn't care less if anyone disagrees with it really. If they irritate someone as much as they seem to irritate you, then thats just a bonus. I tend to give my opinions with the words 'I think' attached to them more often than not and a healthy spattering of 'IMO's. Youre the one who always tends to declare your opinions as fact, even the ones you've made up off the top of your head. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 22, 2023 18:15:35 GMT 1
I sometimes wish Slapps had his own personal area on DATM, where he could admit he was totally and bewilderingly wrong away from the glare of the main board. It would like his own safe space. He would have been great in WW1 as he really likes to dig in. You'd prefer a board where everyone agrees with what you think then.. once you've explained that youre right and theyre wrong? Sounds great. |
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Post by ldr on Feb 22, 2023 19:03:46 GMT 1
I sometimes wish Slapps had his own personal area on DATM, where he could admit he was totally and bewilderingly wrong away from the glare of the main board. It would like his own safe space. He would have been great in WW1 as he really likes to dig in. You'd prefer a board where everyone agrees with what you think then.. once you've explained that youre right and theyre wrong? Sounds great. I think that existed for a while didn’t it? Hi Mel! |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Feb 22, 2023 19:13:29 GMT 1
I work in Blackburn they like him alot but his corners are poor!
They would buy him
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 22, 2023 19:19:58 GMT 1
I work in Blackburn they like him alot but his corners are poor! They would buy him 10m, he's theirs. |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 22, 2023 19:32:30 GMT 1
Question is...
Would MF have got 3 points V Birmingham.
I don't think he would. He would not have played Helik or Ward.
Camara will have been 'injured' and Hungbo probably on the bench.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Feb 22, 2023 20:07:24 GMT 1
I work in Blackburn they like him alot but his corners are poor! They would buy him 10m, he's theirs. Yen or lira |
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Post by goodbet on Feb 22, 2023 20:19:52 GMT 1
Some absolute nonsense being pedalled on this page, no surprise it’s by CaptainSlapper! Fotheringham was taking us down. He started off not bad and then he lost the plot. He deserved sacking purely for the Blackpool result (combined with laughing with McCarthy at the final whistle) – his performance leading that team last night was an utter disgrace. We should have buried them by 3 or 4 and I’m sure a Warnock team would have. He was taking us down in last place IMO. Rudoni has been decent to good but i) his corners have been pretty average and ii) he’s a long way off getting Premier League attention. Comparing his best assets to O’Brien’s worst assets to somehow conflate and compare the two is bizarre. O’Brien isn’t great on the ball but his engine, work-rate, pressing and tackling is fantastic and carried this team last year. Rudoni has had nowhere near the same impact, if he had we wouldn’t be in the bottom 3. Bringing O’Brien into it just weakens your support of Rudoni. Thomas’s set pieces are leagues ahead of Rudoni. Throw a blanket on the six yard box and Thomas could be whipping it over the top of it almost every time, Rudoni would get it maybe 4 times out of 10. Anyway, on Thomas. It’s a real shame Warnock couldn’t work his magic on him as he’s just what the lad needs. Hopefully we stay up and get another great man manager in that can get the best out of him – there’s a very effective player at this level in Thomas, he just needs an arm round his shoulder and the right guidance, on and off the pitch. There are plenty worse on here than the Slapper, you just have to get used to his "everything that Dean has done is wonderful". Once you get over this bias and learn to accept it, you can read his 40,000 posts without any concerns. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Feb 22, 2023 21:36:56 GMT 1
Assists are funny stat, you are far better looking at chances created that assists as if you create a chance and the striker misses it then thats hardly your fault. Sorba created 72 chances (shots on goal) this season for Town, an average of 3.55 per game. Next in line is Rudoni, who has played more games than Sorba with 63, an average of 2.40 per game. Sorba was no where the near the levels he was last season under Carlos, I don't think anyone would argue that he was, but the facts still remain that despite being 'poor' for us this season he was by far the most creative outlet we had. I agree I think assists stats are a poor way to rate a player. Tap it a yard to the side for your teammate to hammer it in from 35 yards and you get an assist. Do a worldy through ball and he misses, it doesn't register. Chances created is probably better, though if you took Sorba off all the set pieces Id wonder what his figures for that would be... similarly if you put Rudoni on them all. After seeing Rudoni taking corners since Sorba has left they will be exactly the same as they are now, and even less per game as they were before l. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 22, 2023 21:50:13 GMT 1
I sometimes wish Slapps had his own personal area on DATM, where he could admit he was totally and bewilderingly wrong away from the glare of the main board. It would like his own safe space. He would have been great in WW1 as he really likes to dig in. I’ve found him… |
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