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Post by pterrier on Apr 27, 2023 8:29:36 GMT 1
Good stats, poor player. Be honest - if he’s in space behind the defence does anyone ever think he will do anything? Poor technically, poor mentally. Lacks nous and composure. Take his set pieces away and he’s basically Junior Mendes with bigger hair. Needs to move to get a big contract before he’s rumbled. We should take what we can get for him and count ourselves lucky. By all means, it’s fair not to rate a player, personal opinion and all but that post is just a load of shite. For the following: Good stats, poor player - and there was silly old me thinking that virtually all clubs now use stat driven data to analyse performance. Poor technically - the guy is best crosser we have! Comparing to Junior Mendes - the icing on your pile of shite post. Comparing to Mendes is just a lazy comparison based on nothing other than ethnicity, totally different players, which tells me a lot about your level of insight. The only surprising aspect of your post is that you didn’t pull the ‘lazy’ card out. |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 27, 2023 8:38:37 GMT 1
He will end up plying his trade bottom end champ/top end LG1. Doesn't have enough end product for me to go higher. I agree but don’t think it’s end product that’s his issue, he over delivers with assists because his dead balls and crosses are so good. Not sure everything else is good enough for Championship or higher though. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 27, 2023 8:44:21 GMT 1
Good stats, poor player. Be honest - if he’s in space behind the defence does anyone ever think he will do anything? Poor technically, poor mentally. Lacks nous and composure. Take his set pieces away and he’s basically Junior Mendes with bigger hair. Needs to move to get a big contract before he’s rumbled. We should take what we can get for him and count ourselves lucky. By all means, it’s fair not to rate a player, personal opinion and all but that post is just a load of shite. For the following: Good stats, poor player - and there was silly old me thinking that virtually all clubs now use stat driven data to analyse performance. Poor technically - the guy is best crosser we have! Comparing to Junior Mendes - the icing on your pile of shite post. Comparing to Mendes is just a lazy comparison based on nothing other than ethnicity, totally different players, which tells me a lot about your level of insight. The only surprising aspect of your post is that you didn’t pull the ‘lazy’ card out. Talk about over thinking things.... Why bring ethnicity into it? So everytime we compare a player we have to say the opposite skin colour? |
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Post by Sio on Apr 27, 2023 9:12:54 GMT 1
Good stats, poor player. Be honest - if he’s in space behind the defence does anyone ever think he will do anything? Poor technically, poor mentally. Lacks nous and composure. Take his set pieces away and he’s basically Junior Mendes with bigger hair. Needs to move to get a big contract before he’s rumbled. We should take what we can get for him and count ourselves lucky. As you say, his set-pieces (which were absolutely fantastic last season) are the reason his statistics are so impressive, which is fine, but in open play he is bang average and does very little of note. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2023 9:14:36 GMT 1
I think you can have good or decent stats and still be a poor player, particularly if your stats are based mainly around one thing, such as taking set pieces.
Someone could be a total waste of space as a footballer in open play, but still be good at taking free kicks. The balls not moving, no ones closing you down and you've got ages to think about what youre going to do.
And if you take enough of them youre almost bound to get decent assist stats.
Sinani was another with decent stats but who was a poor player IMO.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2023 9:15:41 GMT 1
Beat me to it Sio!
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Post by Teddington Ted on Apr 27, 2023 9:17:31 GMT 1
Good stats, poor player. Be honest - if he’s in space behind the defence does anyone ever think he will do anything? Poor technically, poor mentally. Lacks nous and composure. Take his set pieces away and he’s basically Junior Mendes with bigger hair. Needs to move to get a big contract before he’s rumbled. We should take what we can get for him and count ourselves lucky. By all means, it’s fair not to rate a player, personal opinion and all but that post is just a load of shite. For the following: Good stats, poor player - and there was silly old me thinking that virtually all clubs now use stat driven data to analyse performance. Poor technically - the guy is best crosser we have! Comparing to Junior Mendes - the icing on your pile of shite post. Comparing to Mendes is just a lazy comparison based on nothing other than ethnicity, totally different players, which tells me a lot about your level of insight. The only surprising aspect of your post is that you didn’t pull the ‘lazy’ card out. Opinions are one thing but please don’t say I judged him in ethnicity. I was merely comparing Sorba with a winger who had very little end product. Mendes was the first who sprang to mind. I don’t think Sorba is lazy, I think he lacks a little football intelligence and, although an excellent striker of a dead ball, think he lacks the technique of better wingers at this level. I’m equally sure, given the right coaching, he could improve greatly. The argument done made that ‘if Rudoni took our free kicks, he’d have the same assists’ is nonsense. Sorba is by far our best set piece taker by some distance. Is that enough? I’d say not for the position we’re in as a club. We say not. I hope he has a great career but sometimes a player’s attributes don’t align with the needs of a club. My opinion is that this is the situation we are in. But yes, ethnicity. That’s all I was thinking 🙄 |
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Post by pterrier on Apr 27, 2023 9:21:52 GMT 1
By all means, it’s fair not to rate a player, personal opinion and all but that post is just a load of shite. For the following: Good stats, poor player - and there was silly old me thinking that virtually all clubs now use stat driven data to analyse performance. Poor technically - the guy is best crosser we have! Comparing to Junior Mendes - the icing on your pile of shite post. Comparing to Mendes is just a lazy comparison based on nothing other than ethnicity, totally different players, which tells me a lot about your level of insight. The only surprising aspect of your post is that you didn’t pull the ‘lazy’ card out. Talk about over thinking things.... Why bring ethnicity into it? So everytime we compare a player we have to say the opposite skin colour? Because the players are absolutely nothing a like and from almost different eras! We’ve had hundreds of players since Mendes to compare Thomas to; and many who could be seen as similar - if we are saying players who only have good set pieces and no end product or no threat behind- we have a few in our current team: Ben Jackson, Connor Mahoney (that spring to mind more than junior Mendes)… but no, your right, I guess the guy’s comparison had absolutely nothing to do with any other factor |
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Post by pterrier on Apr 27, 2023 9:24:11 GMT 1
By all means, it’s fair not to rate a player, personal opinion and all but that post is just a load of shite. For the following: Good stats, poor player - and there was silly old me thinking that virtually all clubs now use stat driven data to analyse performance. Poor technically - the guy is best crosser we have! Comparing to Junior Mendes - the icing on your pile of shite post. Comparing to Mendes is just a lazy comparison based on nothing other than ethnicity, totally different players, which tells me a lot about your level of insight. The only surprising aspect of your post is that you didn’t pull the ‘lazy’ card out. Opinions are one thing but please don’t say I judged him in ethnicity. I was merely comparing Sorba with a winger who had very little end product. Mendes was the first who sprang to mind. I don’t think Sorba is lazy, I think he lacks a little football intelligence and, although an excellent striker of a dead ball, think he lacks the technique of better wingers at this level. I’m equally sure, given the right coaching, he could improve greatly. The argument done made that ‘if Rudoni took our free kicks, he’d have the same assists’ is nonsense. Sorba is by far our best set piece taker by some distance. Is that enough? I’d say not for the position we’re in as a club. We say not. I hope he has a great career but sometimes a player’s attributes don’t align with the needs of a club. My opinion is that this is the situation we are in. But yes, ethnicity. That’s all I was thinking 🙄 Mendes was really the first who sprung to mind, we have several in the current team with no end product as well. |
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Post by Sio on Apr 27, 2023 9:28:38 GMT 1
Opinions are one thing but please don’t say I judged him in ethnicity. I was merely comparing Sorba with a winger who had very little end product. Mendes was the first who sprang to mind. I don’t think Sorba is lazy, I think he lacks a little football intelligence and, although an excellent striker of a dead ball, think he lacks the technique of better wingers at this level. I’m equally sure, given the right coaching, he could improve greatly. The argument done made that ‘if Rudoni took our free kicks, he’d have the same assists’ is nonsense. Sorba is by far our best set piece taker by some distance. Is that enough? I’d say not for the position we’re in as a club. We say not. I hope he has a great career but sometimes a player’s attributes don’t align with the needs of a club. My opinion is that this is the situation we are in. But yes, ethnicity. That’s all I was thinking 🙄 Mendes was really the first who sprung to mind, we have several in the current team with no end product as well. I mean if you want to be picky then surely if he was comparing him by ethnicity then Mendes still wouldn't be the first player he would think of, 20 years on? Stop clutching. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 27, 2023 9:31:50 GMT 1
By all means, it’s fair not to rate a player, personal opinion and all but that post is just a load of shite. For the following: Good stats, poor player - and there was silly old me thinking that virtually all clubs now use stat driven data to analyse performance. Poor technically - the guy is best crosser we have! Comparing to Junior Mendes - the icing on your pile of shite post. Comparing to Mendes is just a lazy comparison based on nothing other than ethnicity, totally different players, which tells me a lot about your level of insight. The only surprising aspect of your post is that you didn’t pull the ‘lazy’ card out. Opinions are one thing but please don’t say I judged him in ethnicity. I was merely comparing Sorba with a winger who had very little end product. Mendes was the first who sprang to mind. I don’t think Sorba is lazy, I think he lacks a little football intelligence and, although an excellent striker of a dead ball, think he lacks the technique of better wingers at this level. I’m equally sure, given the right coaching, he could improve greatly. The argument done made that ‘if Rudoni took our free kicks, he’d have the same assists’ is nonsense. Sorba is by far our best set piece taker by some distance. Is that enough? I’d say not for the position we’re in as a club. We say not. I hope he has a great career but sometimes a player’s attributes don’t align with the needs of a club. My opinion is that this is the situation we are in. But yes, ethnicity. That’s all I was thinking 🙄 I always thought Junior Mendes was a forward, not a winger? |
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Post by leroy212 on Apr 27, 2023 9:33:06 GMT 1
I think you can have good or decent stats and still be a poor player, particularly if your stats are based mainly around one thing, such as taking set pieces. Someone could be a total waste of space as a footballer in open play, but still be good at taking free kicks. The balls not moving, no ones closing you down and you've got ages to think about what youre going to do. And if you take enough of them youre almost bound to get decent assist stats. Sinani was another with decent stats but who was a poor player IMO. It's like American football, where a player is just a kicker. Really good at kicking and rubbish at everything esle |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Apr 27, 2023 9:34:41 GMT 1
Is Sorba not ethnically Welsh whilst Mendes’ was proudly from Montserrat. Or do you mean race as you’re accusing me of seeing the colour of skin over ethnic heritage?
I think you need to move on before we fall out.
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Post by Scott Chegg on Apr 27, 2023 9:38:35 GMT 1
A strange view. When fans don’t rate a player ( due to simple things like work rate etc) they are called pubescent knobheads etc. but if they themselves rate the player , they are obviously not pubescent knobheads. Personally I will let the club decide his fate, and either way not too bothered . I don't think you know what pre pubescent knobheads were saying about him on social media. Nothing to do with him as a player. Spreading appalling unsubstantiated and incorrect rumours as facts. Can you even imagine what its like to be labelled a peadophile on social media? I prefer broccoli or cauliflower cheese myself. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 27, 2023 9:40:08 GMT 1
Talk about over thinking things.... Why bring ethnicity into it? So everytime we compare a player we have to say the opposite skin colour? Because the players are absolutely nothing a like and from almost different eras! We’ve had hundreds of players since Mendes to compare Thomas to; and many who could be seen as similar - if we are saying players who only have good set pieces and no end product or no threat behind- we have a few in our current team: Ben Jackson, Connor Mahoney (that spring to mind more than junior Mendes)… but no, your right, I guess the guy’s comparison had absolutely nothing to do with any other factor Ben Jackson? Has more than just a good set piece. And now you are slyly calling out racism with your last sentence. So when people have compared Nicholls to Vaesen has that been unacceptable then? Both are white and from different eras? Or does racism only work one way? Think Thomas has been compared to Baldry before too on here. How unacceptable. |
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Post by detox on Apr 27, 2023 9:46:25 GMT 1
Someone will be playing the antisemite card next, that's how it works isn't it ??
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 27, 2023 9:53:40 GMT 1
Sorba sometimes worked hard to get back and then failed to pick up his man, he constantly pointed to his man who had run or even wandered away from him.
The amount of 'crosses' in open play where he was the furthest man forward were huge. He would run 25 yards then simply sling it over.
His inability to square up a defender and beat him was becoming legendary.
His defending, other than daft, often lazy fouls was far too often just what we saw from him. His reaction to incidents is poor and shows a lack of maturity.
Talented, most certainly but its not enough, attitude and team play work rate is required. It became apparent that if the other 9 outfield players are having problems, he disappears totally.
Its a loss for us and I cant say wether Colin would have got more from him.
As far as I can see, its not an argument, he wasnt happy, he wasnt improving or playing well for us and we were not happy with him and he had to go somewhere else.
Both parties to cut their losses??
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 27, 2023 9:53:41 GMT 1
Must admit, I expect that if Sorba Thomas was working under Neil Warnock he'd have got his mojo back and things would be rosier for him and the club.
Exceptional free kick and corner taker, can play on the wing or wing back. Honestly, I think he's exactly the sort of player we need right now. A motivated, confident ST under Warnock would be a huge asset right now.
As for next season, I expect the squad to change significantly. If the situation was different I might even suggest building the team around him. However, certain bridges appear to have been burned and although they *might* be repairable, I expect it would be better for all parties if we part ways.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 27, 2023 9:56:02 GMT 1
Someone will be playing the antisemite card next, that's how it works isn't it ?? Cant remember any Jewish fellas playing for Town. I am available now though😉 |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 27, 2023 10:25:46 GMT 1
Not popular with his new neighbours either
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Post by detox on Apr 27, 2023 10:27:39 GMT 1
Someone will be playing the antisemite card next, that's how it works isn't it ?? Cant remember any Jewish fellas playing for Town. I am available now though😉 Not sure it even matters any more tbh ... |
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Post by detox on Apr 27, 2023 10:30:35 GMT 1
Sorba sometimes worked hard to get back and then failed to pick up his man, he constantly pointed to his man who had run or even wandered away from him. The amount of 'crosses' in open play where he was the furthest man forward were huge. He would run 25 yards then simply sling it over. His inability to square up a defender and beat him was becoming legendary. His defending, other than daft, often lazy fouls was far too often just what we saw from him. His reaction to incidents is poor and shows a lack of maturity. Talented, most certainly but its not enough, attitude and team play work rate is required. It became apparent that if the other 9 outfield players are having problems, he disappears totally. Its a loss for us and I cant say wether Colin would have got more from him. As far as I can see, its not an argument, he wasnt happy, he wasnt improving or playing well for us and we were not happy with him and he had to go somewhere else. Both parties to cut their losses?? Commentators at last nights game were salivating over his entry to the pitch...exciting, skillfull, talented....? fact is he did sod all.. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 27, 2023 10:33:29 GMT 1
Sorba sometimes worked hard to get back and then failed to pick up his man, he constantly pointed to his man who had run or even wandered away from him. The amount of 'crosses' in open play where he was the furthest man forward were huge. He would run 25 yards then simply sling it over. His inability to square up a defender and beat him was becoming legendary. His defending, other than daft, often lazy fouls was far too often just what we saw from him. His reaction to incidents is poor and shows a lack of maturity. Talented, most certainly but its not enough, attitude and team play work rate is required. It became apparent that if the other 9 outfield players are having problems, he disappears totally. Its a loss for us and I cant say wether Colin would have got more from him. As far as I can see, its not an argument, he wasnt happy, he wasnt improving or playing well for us and we were not happy with him and he had to go somewhere else. Both parties to cut their losses?? Commentators at last nights game were salivating over his entry to the pitch...exciting, skillfull, talented....? fact is he did sod all.. He can be all those things, we got the dead ball talent but none of the others very often. I was waiting for all those things more often, sadly it didnt happen here. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 10:59:27 GMT 1
As far as players who spring to mind,Dave Cowling for me when thinking of crossing a ball.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 27, 2023 11:13:01 GMT 1
A strange view. When fans don’t rate a player ( due to simple things like work rate etc) they are called pubescent knobheads etc. but if they themselves rate the player , they are obviously not pubescent knobheads. Personally I will let the club decide his fate, and either way not too bothered . I don't think you know what pre pubescent knobheads were saying about him on social media. Nothing to do with him as a player. Spreading appalling unsubstantiated and incorrect rumours as facts. Can you even imagine what its like to be labelled a peadophile on social media? If that’s the case then totally understand, completely not acceptable. Still not bothered if the club keep or get rid next year on a just footballing point of view . I agree on a post above believing he offers very little as a winger bar a good dead ball / cross but can never beat his man . |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2023 11:21:26 GMT 1
Someone will be playing the antisemite card next, that's how it works isn't it ?? Cant remember any Jewish fellas playing for Town. I am available now though😉 Ade Moses?  |
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Post by twyford on Apr 27, 2023 13:38:29 GMT 1
Sorba sometimes worked hard to get back and then failed to pick up his man, he constantly pointed to his man who had run or even wandered away from him. The amount of 'crosses' in open play where he was the furthest man forward were huge. He would run 25 yards then simply sling it over. His inability to square up a defender and beat him was becoming legendary. His defending, other than daft, often lazy fouls was far too often just what we saw from him. His reaction to incidents is poor and shows a lack of maturity. Talented, most certainly but its not enough, attitude and team play work rate is required. It became apparent that if the other 9 outfield players are having problems, he disappears totally. Its a loss for us and I cant say wether Colin would have got more from him.As far as I can see, its not an argument, he wasnt happy, he wasnt improving or playing well for us and we were not happy with him and he had to go somewhere else. Both parties to cut their losses?? Even last season when I thought he played well I don't recall ever see him winning a header. This season when his form and stats dipped I think it was noticeable that he wasn't even contesting headers, on occasions even backing out from them. Haven't watched him at Blackburn so don't know if that has changed linked to apparently improved performances. Given the amount of time the ball is now in the air following his appointment then unless Warnock would be able to instil a basic level of bravery into his game I don't think he'd have been able to get anything more from Thomas. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 27, 2023 13:46:22 GMT 1
Sorba sometimes worked hard to get back and then failed to pick up his man, he constantly pointed to his man who had run or even wandered away from him. The amount of 'crosses' in open play where he was the furthest man forward were huge. He would run 25 yards then simply sling it over. His inability to square up a defender and beat him was becoming legendary. His defending, other than daft, often lazy fouls was far too often just what we saw from him. His reaction to incidents is poor and shows a lack of maturity. Talented, most certainly but its not enough, attitude and team play work rate is required. It became apparent that if the other 9 outfield players are having problems, he disappears totally. Its a loss for us and I cant say wether Colin would have got more from him.As far as I can see, its not an argument, he wasnt happy, he wasnt improving or playing well for us and we were not happy with him and he had to go somewhere else. Both parties to cut their losses?? Even last season when I thought he played well I don't recall ever see him winning a header. This season when his form and stats dipped I think it was noticeable that he wasn't even contesting headers, on occasions even backing out from them. Haven't watched him at Blackburn so don't know if that has changed linked to apparently improved performances. Given the amount of time the ball is now in the air following his appointment then unless Warnock would be able to instil a basic level of bravery into his game I don't think he'd have been able to get anything more from Thomas. Last seasons tactics were clearly a one off and depended very much on players we lost. The set piece goals have not been repeated in the huge numbers we had and Thomas had not repeated the deliveries from last season, although losing Pearson who was a big part of the set piece plan didnt help. I wanted Sorba to be successful here, I wanted him to improve his all round game, heck I wanted High to return and be a revelation but its not to be, here. |
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Post by mrbluesky on Apr 27, 2023 22:24:12 GMT 1
Must admit, I expect that if Sorba Thomas was working under Neil Warnock he'd have got his mojo back and things would be rosier for him and the club. Exceptional free kick and corner taker, can play on the wing or wing back. Honestly, I think he's exactly the sort of player we need right now. A motivated, confident ST under Warnock would be a huge asset right now. As for next season, I expect the squad to change significantly. If the situation was different I might even suggest building the team around him. However, certain bridges appear to have been burned and although they *might* be repairable, I expect it would be better for all parties if we part ways. Personally I don’t think Warnock would have taken to Sorba Thomas ……Warnock loves a team player or a charismatic character with talent . |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 27, 2023 23:39:09 GMT 1
Must admit, I expect that if Sorba Thomas was working under Neil Warnock he'd have got his mojo back and things would be rosier for him and the club. Exceptional free kick and corner taker, can play on the wing or wing back. Honestly, I think he's exactly the sort of player we need right now. A motivated, confident ST under Warnock would be a huge asset right now. As for next season, I expect the squad to change significantly. If the situation was different I might even suggest building the team around him. However, certain bridges appear to have been burned and although they *might* be repairable, I expect it would be better for all parties if we part ways. Personally I don’t think Warnock would have taken to Sorba Thomas ……Warnock loves a team player or a charismatic character with talent . I suppose we'll never know. |
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