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Post by townarentbest on Apr 28, 2023 12:21:07 GMT 1
By all means, it’s fair not to rate a player, personal opinion and all but that post is just a load of shite. For the following: Good stats, poor player - and there was silly old me thinking that virtually all clubs now use stat driven data to analyse performance. Poor technically - the guy is best crosser we have! Comparing to Junior Mendes - the icing on your pile of shite post. Comparing to Mendes is just a lazy comparison based on nothing other than ethnicity, totally different players, which tells me a lot about your level of insight. The only surprising aspect of your post is that you didn’t pull the ‘lazy’ card out. Opinions are one thing but please don’t say I judged him in ethnicity. I was merely comparing Sorba with a winger who had very little end product. Mendes was the first who sprang to mind. I don’t think Sorba is lazy, I think he lacks a little football intelligence and, although an excellent striker of a dead ball, think he lacks the technique of better wingers at this level. I’m equally sure, given the right coaching, he could improve greatly. The argument done made that ‘if Rudoni took our free kicks, he’d have the same assists’ is nonsense. Sorba is by far our best set piece taker by some distance. Is that enough? I’d say not for the position we’re in as a club. We say not. I hope he has a great career but sometimes a player’s attributes don’t align with the needs of a club. My opinion is that this is the situation we are in. But yes, ethnicity. That’s all I was thinking 🙄 I know its not really your central point, but on the very limited viewing we've had of them taking set pieces, I'd say that Yuta and Hongbo are both significantly better at taking them than Sorba was at his best, never mind at the level he seems to have dropped to. (Hongbo's in play crosses are far more dangerous than anything Sorba ever created too). Assuming we can get some cash for Thomas sufficient to pay out the remaining contract terms AND generate a bit of slosh, and pick up Hungbo who will be out of contract and free and a year younger than Thomas, that would seem like a very decent outcome to me. (notwithstanding we don't really know why Hungbo isn't currently playing - but I'd like to think/hope thats simply down to our current back to basics 'needs must' style/approach). |
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Post by bluestripe on Apr 28, 2023 14:55:11 GMT 1
The guy has had a poor season by the standards of the last one.
If anybody had suggested selling him for less than £5m this time last year, then most of the people suggesting he should be got rid of on this thread, would have had their pitchforks out.
Just saying like.
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Post by benhomly on Apr 28, 2023 16:40:52 GMT 1
The guy has had a poor season by the standards of the last one. If anybody had suggested selling him for less than £5m this time last year, then most of the people suggesting he should be got rid of on this thread, would have had their pitchforks out. Just saying like. Things change. One season wonder? In which case he's worth £1m tops? Seems to be trouble? Both here and at Blackburn if some reports are to be believed? In which case he's worth £1m tops? Thinks he's far better than he actually is? As above. Comes back or goes somewhere else and recaptures last seasons form (in terms of assists, not sure he had much form in open play anyway) and he's worth £5m again. Just saying like. |
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Post by ebargum on Apr 28, 2023 16:50:54 GMT 1
The guy has had a poor season by the standards of the last one. If anybody had suggested selling him for less than £5m this time last year, then most of the people suggesting he should be got rid of on this thread, would have had their pitchforks out. Just saying like. Things change. One season wonder? In which case he's worth £1m tops? Seems to be trouble? Both here and at Blackburn if some reports are to be believed? In which case he's worth £1m tops? Thinks he's far better than he actually is? As above. Comes back or goes somewhere else and recaptures last seasons form (in terms of assists, not sure he had much form in open play anyway) and he's worth £5m again. Just saying like. He'll end up at Wrexham with Bale....  |
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Post by benhomly on Apr 28, 2023 17:12:33 GMT 1
Things change. One season wonder? In which case he's worth £1m tops? Seems to be trouble? Both here and at Blackburn if some reports are to be believed? In which case he's worth £1m tops? Thinks he's far better than he actually is? As above. Comes back or goes somewhere else and recaptures last seasons form (in terms of assists, not sure he had much form in open play anyway) and he's worth £5m again. Just saying like. He'll end up at Wrexham with Bale.... Wouldn’t surprise me if he does. And there’s nothing like a couple of Hollywood film stars to feed his ego to new heights. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Apr 28, 2023 18:50:07 GMT 1
Opinions are one thing but please don’t say I judged him in ethnicity. I was merely comparing Sorba with a winger who had very little end product. Mendes was the first who sprang to mind. I don’t think Sorba is lazy, I think he lacks a little football intelligence and, although an excellent striker of a dead ball, think he lacks the technique of better wingers at this level. I’m equally sure, given the right coaching, he could improve greatly. The argument done made that ‘if Rudoni took our free kicks, he’d have the same assists’ is nonsense. Sorba is by far our best set piece taker by some distance. Is that enough? I’d say not for the position we’re in as a club. We say not. I hope he has a great career but sometimes a player’s attributes don’t align with the needs of a club. My opinion is that this is the situation we are in. But yes, ethnicity. That’s all I was thinking 🙄 I know its not really your central point, but on the very limited viewing we've had of them taking set pieces, I'd say that Yuta and Hongbo are both significantly better at taking them than Sorba was at his best, never mind at the level he seems to have dropped to. (Hongbo's in play crosses are far more dangerous than anything Sorba ever created too). Assuming we can get some cash for Thomas sufficient to pay out the remaining contract terms AND generate a bit of slosh, and pick up Hungbo who will be out of contract and free and a year younger than Thomas, that would seem like a very decent outcome to me. (notwithstanding we don't really know why Hungbo isn't currently playing - but I'd like to think/hope thats simply down to our current back to basics 'needs must' style/approach) Hungbo is pretty poor defensively and at tracking back, think that’s why he’s not playing. Just my guess. |
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Post by drumriggend on Apr 28, 2023 18:58:26 GMT 1
One season wonder..
Good stats in the coberan era..
Really poor goal ratio..
Totally meh to be honest..
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Post by willhudd on Apr 28, 2023 20:43:33 GMT 1
One season wonder.. Good stats in the coberan era.. Really poor goal ratio.. Totally meh to be honest.. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ Yea your bang on Being one of our best players all season when we finished 3rd. Playing for Wales and going to the world Cup. Being signed by Blackburn pushing for promotion. Your especially right as warnock has said a number of times he wishes he had him. Your absolutely bang on fair play  I hope your in charge of our recruitment in the summer the world will be our oyster |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 28, 2023 20:52:00 GMT 1
The guy has had a poor season by the standards of the last one. If anybody had suggested selling him for less than £5m this time last year, then most of the people suggesting he should be got rid of on this thread, would have had their pitchforks out. Just saying like. I’m sure spurs wish they’d sold Ali at his peak, players sometimes are worth more last year than this. ST isn’t worth what he was last year now unfortunately. |
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Post by crux on Apr 28, 2023 21:43:09 GMT 1
I can't comment on his off field stuff and I'm not sure anyone else on here has first hand knowledge to be able to properly comment on it.
On the field you can't fault his effort and he has excellent crossing ability from set plays. However, whilst he makes the effort to get up and down the pitch, when he does get into defensive positions he rarely makes a tackle or gets a block in. His crosses front open play are much less effective as he tends to cross the ball straight away where he wants, no matter where the strikers are - or whether there are strikers are around or not.
I think from a football side he's lacking a bit of experience, not unexpected with the rise he's had from non-league to World Cup. He probably needs a coach or an experienced player who's a wideman, to give him some advice. That's assuming he'd listen, but the way he sung the praises of Carlos for the attention to detail, you'd think he would be.
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Post by bluestripe on Apr 28, 2023 22:43:37 GMT 1
The guy has had a poor season by the standards of the last one. If anybody had suggested selling him for less than £5m this time last year, then most of the people suggesting he should be got rid of on this thread, would have had their pitchforks out. Just saying like. I’m sure spurs wish they’d sold Ali at his peak, players sometimes are worth more last year than this. ST isn’t worth what he was last year now unfortunately. Agree on value. You quote Ali. I could quote Arfield. But on balance it seems crazy for Town to initiate a sale at this stage with him having a contract to 2027, given his past good performance, incoming new owners and head coach. The only caveats would be if he has burnt his boats with the rest of the squad or if another club offers silly money. |
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Post by wildhogg on Apr 28, 2023 23:33:54 GMT 1
It's likely that he'd have had another belting season if CC had been here. He was probably badly mismanaged by the two managers who followed, the Flying Scotsman (shame we couldn't test this out) in particular. The next man might also be able to bring out the best in him, and it'd be daft to let a player who can be such an asset go until we've seen he goes under a new regime.
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Post by rockwall on Apr 29, 2023 0:11:46 GMT 1
Really don't see how people are blaming the 3 coaches we have had this season.
It is clear from social media etc that he has an arrogance that is beyond his current talent.
Rumoured from both ours and Blackbirns camp that he isn't popular.
ST is the issue
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Post by detox on Apr 29, 2023 0:16:10 GMT 1
Be interesting to see if Blackburn put in an offer for him...
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 29, 2023 1:14:19 GMT 1
Really don't see how people are blaming the 3 coaches we have had this season. It is clear from social media etc that he has an arrogance that is beyond his current talent. Rumoured from both ours and Blackbirns camp that he isn't popular. ST is the issue I don't think anyone is blaming Warnock as Thomas left in January! I see a lot of arrogance in him, a bit of macho insecurity as well. We have had plenty of players like this, some have worked out brilliantly for us, some haven't. I think next season will make my mind up, plenty of players have had seasons where their head's not been in it and then refocused themselves. It's easy to forget how good he was last season, including from open play! |
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 29, 2023 11:08:22 GMT 1
One season wonder.. Good stats in the coberan era.. Really poor goal ratio.. Totally meh to be honest.. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ Think we need to throw in that last season we often had a combo of 3 from Lees, Pearson, Sarr and Colwill in the opposition box at corners...having big lads like that is always likely to lead to goals from corners. I know he bagged a few assists early this season whilst we didn't really have much presence at all from corners which is a bit of an anomaly, but consider the bunch of goals Pearson has just bagged now he's back up to fitness and we've again got three big units for a defence to worry about at set pieces. It wasn't Thomas, Sinani or Holmes or whoever that got us there (though they take the plaudits as people remember/recognise those kind of players), last seasons defence (including Nicholls) was the PRIMARY reason we ended up in the play-offs - and not just because they were a solid defensive unit. We need to build around that kind of base. |
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Post by mightyterrier on Apr 30, 2023 6:06:29 GMT 1
I can't comment on his off field stuff and I'm not sure anyone else on here has first hand knowledge to be able to properly comment on it. On the field you can't fault his effort and he has excellent crossing ability from set plays. However, whilst he makes the effort to get up and down the pitch, when he does get into defensive positions he rarely makes a tackle or gets a block in. His crosses front open play are much less effective as he tends to cross the ball straight away where he wants, no matter where the strikers are - or whether there are strikers are around or not. I think from a football side he's lacking a bit of experience, not unexpected with the rise he's had from non-league to World Cup. He probably needs a coach or an experienced player who's a wideman, to give him some advice. That's assuming he'd listen, but the way he sung the praises of Carlos for the attention to detail, you'd think he would be. I think he lacks a lot more than experience, a bit of humility and common sense wouldn’t go a miss. An absolute bell end of a guy |
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Post by Dan on May 4, 2023 11:45:24 GMT 1
Interesting to read Blackburn manager, Jon Dahl Tomassons comments on Sorba not being in the team for a while.... Tomasson said Thomas’ time away with Wales was behind him dropping to the bench for the first game after the international break at Birmingham City. But asked about his absence since, Tomasson explained: “What you are showing in training first, and what you show in games. “You pick yourself, the manager doesn’t pick you, you pick yourself.” www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/23499015.tomasson-tells-blackburn-rovers-loanee-sorba-thomas-pick-himself/ |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 4, 2023 11:54:56 GMT 1
Interesting to read Blackburn manager, Jon Dahl Tomassons comments on Sorba not being in the team for a while.... Tomasson said Thomas’ time away with Wales was behind him dropping to the bench for the first game after the international break at Birmingham City. But asked about his absence since, Tomasson explained: “What you are showing in training first, and what you show in games. “You pick yourself, the manager doesn’t pick you, you pick yourself.” www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/23499015.tomasson-tells-blackburn-rovers-loanee-sorba-thomas-pick-himself/Another thing to suggest hes become a big time Charlie without what it takes to back that attitude up. Think in terms of his career, its a shame hes got this Welsh eligibility. |
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Post by loumacari on May 4, 2023 12:52:45 GMT 1
Interesting to read Blackburn manager, Jon Dahl Tomassons comments on Sorba not being in the team for a while.... Tomasson said Thomas’ time away with Wales was behind him dropping to the bench for the first game after the international break at Birmingham City. But asked about his absence since, Tomasson explained: “What you are showing in training first, and what you show in games. “You pick yourself, the manager doesn’t pick you, you pick yourself.” www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/23499015.tomasson-tells-blackburn-rovers-loanee-sorba-thomas-pick-himself/Another thing to suggest hes become a big time Charlie without what it takes to back that attitude up. Think in terms of his career, its a shame hes got this Welsh eligibility. Probably been badly advised but that’s no excuse for him coming across as a total plank every time he’s interviewed. If he behaves the same way around his teammates it’s little wonder his career is going south. None of this is good for us of course, either in terms of potential value for sale or him returning next season and playing for us. |
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Post by waggers on May 4, 2023 12:59:13 GMT 1
Another thing to suggest hes become a big time Charlie without what it takes to back that attitude up. Think in terms of his career, its a shame hes got this Welsh eligibility. Probably been badly advised but that’s no excuse for him coming across as a total plank every time he’s interviewed. If he behaves the same way around his teammates it’s little wonder his career is going south. None of this is good for us of course, either in terms of potential value for sale or him returning next season and playing for us. I think we'll already have offered him around to other Championship clubs to buy in the summer, Blackberry will have used this as his trial and I'm pretty sure won't be putting a bid in. He'll go to someone prepared to pay a lot less than he was worth 12 months ago. I'd get rid. |
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Post by detox on May 4, 2023 13:04:27 GMT 1
The trouble with having a Sorba in the camp, is the disruption he'd cause to the other younger lads..getting in their heads and being a bad influence... I wonder if that's the reason Koroma lost his way...
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Post by tepidterrier on May 4, 2023 13:35:09 GMT 1
The trouble with having a Sorba in the camp, is the disruption he'd cause to the other younger lads..getting in their heads and being a bad influence... I wonder if that's the reason Koroma lost his way... younger lads? Koroma and Thomas are the same age! Koroma lost his way at Portsmouth after a good start, much like with us. A few more months of this snowballing and he'll be held responsible for Schofield and Fotheringham not working out |
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Post by Sio on May 4, 2023 13:35:47 GMT 1
The trouble with having a Sorba in the camp, is the disruption he'd cause to the other younger lads..getting in their heads and being a bad influence... I wonder if that's the reason Koroma lost his way... This feels completely unfounded. What's more likely is he's just personally bad at accepting not being the first name on the team sheet after being talked up way above his station last season. His level is top end L1 / bottom end Champ and that will transpire eventually. It's just whether he has the attitude to accept that. |
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Post by detox on May 4, 2023 13:42:42 GMT 1
The trouble with having a Sorba in the camp, is the disruption he'd cause to the other younger lads..getting in their heads and being a bad influence... I wonder if that's the reason Koroma lost his way... This feels completely unfounded. What's more likely is he's just personally bad at accepting not being the first name on the team sheet after being talked up way above his station last season. His level is top end L1 / bottom end Champ and that will transpire eventually. It's just whether he has the attitude to accept that. That sounds complete guess work...too. |
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Post by Sio on May 4, 2023 13:43:59 GMT 1
This feels completely unfounded. What's more likely is he's just personally bad at accepting not being the first name on the team sheet after being talked up way above his station last season. His level is top end L1 / bottom end Champ and that will transpire eventually. It's just whether he has the attitude to accept that. That sounds complete guess work...too. But a fairly standard and predictable trend among footballers. What is there to suggest he is a bad character / influence among other players? |
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Post by detox on May 4, 2023 13:46:25 GMT 1
The trouble with having a Sorba in the camp, is the disruption he'd cause to the other younger lads..getting in their heads and being a bad influence... I wonder if that's the reason Koroma lost his way... younger lads? Koroma and Thomas are the same age! Koroma lost his way at Portsmouth after a good start, much like with us. A few more months of this snowballing and he'll be held responsible for Schofield and Fotheringham not working out Young lads, compared to me...  ..... No, Koroma went to Portsmouth because he lost his way at Town beforehand... and no again, to your 'snowballing' bullshit crappy nonsense... |
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Post by tepidterrier on May 4, 2023 13:55:45 GMT 1
The trouble with having a Sorba in the camp, is the disruption he'd cause to the other younger lads..getting in their heads and being a bad influence... I wonder if that's the reason Koroma lost his way... This feels completely unfounded. What's more likely is he's just personally bad at accepting not being the first name on the team sheet after being talked up way above his station last season. His level is top end L1 / bottom end Champ and that will transpire eventually. It's just whether he has the attitude to accept that. I'd find it hard if I were him. The facts are: Released by a Premier League academy as a teenager Quit football entirely for a bit (suggests he couldn't really deal with being told he wasn't good enough) Got back to it, and did well enough at non league level for us to buy him Within a year and a bit, became a standout player for us and came within a whisker of reaching the premier league Now looks to have stagnated the following year. I imagine he'll want, like every player in the country, to be a premier league player, but also to prove West Ham wrong. After such a meteoric rise, it'd be hard for anyone to feel that momentum slipping away. As I've said before, how he responds next season is what will define the direction he'll go in. |
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Post by detox on May 4, 2023 13:57:49 GMT 1
That sounds complete guess work...too. But a fairly standard and predictable trend among footballers. What is there to suggest he is a bad character / influence among other players? I guess it's the comments from others above..regarding being unpopular with other players..his social media persona...his ego ..etc etc..I could be wrong, I'm speculating...it's what I do sometimes.. Koroma and Thomas seemed big buddies at Town..Thomas loses his mojo a bit..so does Koroma..Koroma gets shipped out to Portsmouth, Thomas shipped out to Blackburn... koroma comes back under Warnock and finds his mojo..Thomas is still away... |
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Post by royrace on May 4, 2023 13:59:58 GMT 1
Possibly needs a bit of a wake up call, from non league to the world cup probably went to his head a little, then finding himself from top of the champ to the bottom and being shouted at by a 36 year old nobody. I'd be happy to have him back next season if we manage to stay up, his experience at Blackburn and being dropped will probably stand him in good stead along with a pre-season rest and fresh start with a new manager. If we get relegated I guess we'll be looking to cash in, there'd be plenty of takers but we'd likely have to accept a modest fee. Same goes for Helik and a few others.
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..... No, Koroma went to Portsmouth because he lost his way at Town beforehand... and no again, to your 'snowballing' bullshit crappy nonsense...