Hogg

[Essex Terrier]

Sept 15, 2023 7:41:23 GMT 1 Baby Ate My Eight Ball said:

Sept 14, 2023 21:07:55 GMT 1 drayltonboy (independent) said:

I think you are taking my comment out of context. It is not a criticism, but an irrefutable observation. He’s done a decent job in a generally decent manner over a long period, for which he has been decently rewarded. I can give no higher praise.

I still don’t think he needs a testimonial. How many turned up for Boothy’s? Not that many, against some Spanish side, as I remember.

I wouldn’t say it was pathetic, but it is somewhat oligeanous to praise him in the way that he has been, but as I said in my original post, I don’t want to piss on anyone’s emotional chips.

I don't think he needs a testimonial.

But to say he's 'taken' more money than anyone else is a snide use of language - we asked him to play for us, not the other way around, so any money he's received is what the owners have deemed he's worth and has been freely given rather than taken.

After that it's opinions in terms of whether he's earned the praise he's getting on this thread. I think he's given us a level of passion, commitment and dedication that we've rarely had from Town players. You clearly disagree, no problem there (other than thinking oligeanous is a pompous word, particularly using it on a football forum, but whatever floats your boat).

I thought the same when I first read it, but am trying to treat all SM language a little less literally these days...

[irverino]

A testimonial would raise much needed funds for Hoggys/Towns charities & not JH personally, a lot of these types of fixtures take place at many clubs up & down the country usually around March international break (23/3)......Maybe Jonny had a word with Wagner recently about getting the promotion team together, that would be a special night for many especially if we are sitting pretty in the league by then.

[rothwellterrier]

What was it that forced him off today? Was it concussion?

[tepidterrier]

Sept 16, 2023 18:53:30 GMT 1 rothwellterrier said:

What was it that forced him off today? Was it concussion?

he was cleanly tackled from behind by their forward and fell backwards quite heavily, probably hit his head but couldn't really tell from where I was sat. Took a while to get to his feet then went back down again shortly after.

[Essex Terrier]

Yup, he's older

Yup, he isn't quite the player he was.

Still, a lesson for all those who doubt his importance to the team right there today.

The General.

One day his time will come....but it ain't yet!!

[wildbillthetownfan]

I have knocked him in the past but god we don't half need him.

[htafcdreams]

Moore said had to bring Hogg off due to tight calf and didn’t want to risk him continuing

[Headless Chicken]

He has his flaws (you saw it first half when they misplaced a pass, hitting it to Hogg and he cushioned it about 20 yards lol), but he was bloody good today.

[ColchTerrier]

Hogg was class today. We would have won if he stayed on, nothing got passed him.

[golcarexile]

Sept 30, 2023 23:33:57 GMT 1 ColchTerrier said:

Hogg was class today. We would have won if he stayed on, nothing got passed him.

There's a possibility he'd have been sent off. He was on a final warning, but I agree his influence is massive and we'd have had a better chance of holding out with Hogg on the field.

[Terrier Ramone]

Hogg was fantastic yesterday, really noticeable that it was so much easier for them when he went off. I know Yuta went off injured, too, but surely he'd be better covering for Hogg than REG?

[overtonterrierspirit]

Lots on here said he was past it yet he’s proved yet again that when he is working with capable midfield colleagues, he’s the best at what he does in this division.

[Porrohman]

He was immense yesterday. His 1st half tackle on their no 8 was absolute perfection, the bloke didn't know what hit him. If Hoggy had stayed on and we'd brought Harratt on instead of Hudlin we'd have won that.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Oct 1, 2023 10:52:20 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

He was immense yesterday. His 1st half tackle on their no 8 was absolute perfection, the bloke didn't know what hit him. If Hoggy had stayed on and we'd brought Harratt on instead of Hudlin we'd have won that.

I remember that tackle.
I stood up and celebrated it like I would for a goal.

[impact]

Oct 1, 2023 1:59:26 GMT 1 golcarexile said:

Sept 30, 2023 23:33:57 GMT 1 ColchTerrier said:

Hogg was class today. We would have won if he stayed on, nothing got passed him.

There's a possibility he'd have been sent off. He was on a final warning, but I agree his influence is massive and we'd have had a better chance of holding out with Hogg on the field.

That would only make sense if he'd been booked. He hadn't.

[ACW]

Hogg is irreplaceable IMO. Just keeps on doing the business for us. Yes, he has poor games - like any player - but he has far more good ones, and we always miss him when he doesn't play.

I can't see anyone in our squad who is remotely close to filling his boots. REG is definitely not good enough to be his long-term replacement. And Kasumu is a different type of player, plus nowhere near good enough on the ball.

[Baby Ate My Eight Ball]

Kasumu did well at Sunderland last season in the Hogg role, but he’s got a fair bit of developing to get to Hogg’s level.

Goes to ground too often and is a split second slower than Hogg to get to that second ball, meaning he needs to go all in to get it when Hogg can stay on his feet and get to it first.

We’re going to have a hell of a job replacing Hogg when he finally goes.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Oct 1, 2023 14:16:08 GMT 1 Baby Ate My Eight Ball said:

Kasumu did well at Sunderland last season in the Hogg role, but he’s got a fair bit of developing to get to Hogg’s level.

Goes to ground too often and is a split second slower than Hogg to get to that second ball, meaning he needs to go all in to get it when Hogg can stay on his feet and get to it first.

We’re going to have a hell of a job replacing Hogg when he finally goes.

I’d say, unless Nagle releases significant funds we will never adequately replace him.
That’s not a dig at the owner just the realisation that Hogg is quality and we would have to pay quite a lot to obtain the same standard of player.

[Terriersmad]

Oct 1, 2023 14:28:08 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Oct 1, 2023 14:16:08 GMT 1 Baby Ate My Eight Ball said:

Kasumu did well at Sunderland last season in the Hogg role, but he’s got a fair bit of developing to get to Hogg’s level.

Goes to ground too often and is a split second slower than Hogg to get to that second ball, meaning he needs to go all in to get it when Hogg can stay on his feet and get to it first.

We’re going to have a hell of a job replacing Hogg when he finally goes.

I’d say, unless Nagle releases significant funds we will never adequately replace him.
That’s not a dig at the owner just the realisation that Hogg is quality and we would have to pay quite a lot to obtain the same standard of player.

Hogg himself was £300,000 - a decade ago, admittedly, but still not exactly a bank-breaking transfer. I think we've had our money's worth.

The issue is we don't look for his kind of player, although we should have been searching for a replacement as soon as we came down from the Premier League. The bloke's 35 this month. He's one injury away from calling it a day, and even then he might still decide to call it a day at the end of the season. The last time we had another player who could do his job, it was Dean Whitehead. Who was 35. You would think there would be a player out there who can be brought in to act at the very least as proper backup, because REG isn't that man.

Yesterday Hogg was fantastic. That tackle on their captain was a thing of beauty. The lad didn't know what had hit him. And Hoggy was more mobile than he's been for years. He had that midfield under his control and it was a joy to watch. An old-school midfield general bossing proceedings because Ipswich were running scared of him.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Oct 1, 2023 14:45:15 GMT 1 Terriersmad said:

Oct 1, 2023 14:28:08 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

I’d say, unless Nagle releases significant funds we will never adequately replace him.
That’s not a dig at the owner just the realisation that Hogg is quality and we would have to pay quite a lot to obtain the same standard of player.

Hogg himself was £300,000 - a decade ago, admittedly, but still not exactly a bank-breaking transfer. I think we've had our money's worth.

The issue is we don't look for his kind of player, although we should have been searching for a replacement as soon as we came down from the Premier League. The bloke's 35 this month. He's one injury away from calling it a day, and even then he might still decide to call it a day at the end of the season. The last time we had another player who could do his job, it was Dean Whitehead. Who was 35. You would think there would be a player out there who can be brought in to act at the very least as proper backup, because REG isn't that man.

Yesterday Hogg was fantastic. That tackle on their captain was a thing of beauty. The lad didn't know what had hit him. And Hoggy was more mobile than he's been for years. He had that midfield under his control and it was a joy to watch. An old-school midfield general bossing proceedings because Ipswich were running scared of him.

Great points well made.
But I’d suggest £300k 10 years ago equates to well into the millions now.

[Henry Mcgee]

I'm certainly in the camp that thinks Hogg has been part of the problem in the last few years, but he has been excellent this season and 100% worth his place. Keep this level going and he is undroppable.

[Big Ern]

100% worth another year on his contract. He looks fit as a fiddle and as been said playing better than I've seen him in a long time.

[townarentbest]

Strange there’s not an article on htafc.com about the big Hogg mural?

[Deleted]

Club legend.

Becuase of the depth/quality in our squad he remains a guaranteed starter.

However now 35 and money should've been spent 18 months ago to find a first team ready replacement.

One of the main issues with Hoggs limited game is that we didn't even try to replace Mooy, so Hoggs role seeminly took on more of a role with the ball than without the ball.

Likewise when we got lucky with O'brien and then cashed in, Hogg again had to take on more of a role with the ball as opposed to without it.

[marshterrier]

Played really well v Preston - only Hogg and Bergzorg (strangely) emerged with any credit on that dismal display.

[shawsie]

Been a top player for us / top fella but at 35 he shouldnt be playing 3 games a week because the younger lads arent good enough and we havent replaced him with a new signing either.

[Essex Terrier]

Sept 30, 2023 21:47:31 GMT 1 Essex Terrier said:

Yup, he's older

Yup, he isn't quite the player he was.

Still, a lesson for all those who doubt his importance to the team right there today.

The General.

One day his time will come....but it ain't yet!!

Did you SEE that pass?!!

Bump!

[griffa]

Dec 14, 2023 0:34:31 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Strange there’s not an article on htafc.com about the big Hogg mural?

Top performance yesterday, top mural, top man Jonathan Hogg - UTT.

[Solihull Terrier]

Best performance WITH the ball I've seen from Hogg for a long time.

[Essex Terrier]

No idea who this guy is, but the guys I went with yesterday counted Hogg forward passes, v backward ones.

It became quite embarrassing as the vast, VAST, majority of his passes were positively forward.

Glad to put this silly rumour to bed.

He's here, he's there....🎵🎵🎵