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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 13:09:49 GMT 1
That goal line decision for Sweden v USA in womens world cup proves the value of the technology...when you think of the men's goal v Germany many years ago which was what, 2 yards over the line...not given. In fact, anything that takes decisions away from useless refs must be a good thing? Goal line technology is a good thing.Var needs scrapping for me.
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Post by westislandterrier on Aug 10, 2023 13:36:47 GMT 1
VAR worked perfectly well in Scotland last night in a Champions League Qualifying Match between Rangers and Servette of Geneva...
Gers were 2-0 up and gave away a free kick on the right and the ball was whipped in at pace and Cyril Dessers palmed the ball with his high hand back to goalkeeper Jack Butland who quickly kept play going and BBC Scotland commentators and summarisers noticed nothing or certainly said nothing - Then after 60 seconds play was stopped for what they thought was a dropped ball, and all of a sudden all manner of camera angles suddenly appeared and showed the most stonewall of penalties to The Napkins (Servette) !
After a wee argy bargy Servette scored and 2-1 remained the final score but for once in Scotland VAR did it’s job correctly although this was operated by officials from Lithuania so that probably explains why they got it right -
As usual up here the fallout is Celtic fans accusing BBC Scotland of ‘protection’ of Rangers by not showing the infringement immediately and Gers fans are saying that The National Scottish Broadcaster should indeed be ‘protecting’ teams from Scotland in Europe (although I suspect that if the boot was on the other foot it’d be exactly the same just the opposite way around with the name Celtic replacing Gers in my description of things) !
I think it is a very long time since Gers had a penalty awarded against them in The Scottish League (January 2022) and conspiracy theorists up here are having a field day with that statistical anomaly - but VAR did it’s job last night properly and hopefully it will as well in European matches involved Hibernian, Hearts, Aberdeen and Celtic as well and if that means a penalty against them all in Europe then so be it...
I think I’m like most normal fans in that all we wanna see is the rules of the game applied fair and square across the board no matter the size or reputation of the clubs involved - Fairness is all we ask for and want ! 😊
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Post by goodbet on Aug 10, 2023 13:37:20 GMT 1
That goal line decision for Sweden v USA in womens world cup proves the value of the technology...when you think of the men's goal v Germany many years ago which was what, 2 yards over the line...not given. In fact, anything that takes decisions away from useless refs must be a good thing? Goal line technology is a good thing.Var needs scrapping for me. It's the football authorities that want scrapping and then getting someone in with an interest of the whole of football to run things in a fair and open manner.
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Post by detox on Aug 10, 2023 15:31:13 GMT 1
If you cast your mind back to pre VAR...we had football pundits, managers, owners, coaches, players and all and sundry from the media and general public castigating refs and lino's about decisions they got wrong. It was the main topic instead of talking about the football ..
It went on and on and on..the refs association chipped in defending the officials and arguing that if everybody wants every decision to be as near 100% correct as possible...then technology was needed to help the officials..
YES...YES....YES !! they said...we can't carry on like this can we...goals given that were offside or not given for offside when they were, fouls missed, hand balls given that weren't , or hand balls not given..penalties not given....blah blah blah..
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 10, 2023 16:08:54 GMT 1
Goal line technology is a good thing.Var needs scrapping for me. It's the football authorities that want scrapping and then getting someone in with an interest of the whole of football to run things in a fair and open manner. Unfortunately, like everything in life, where there’s loads of money there’s corruption, cheating and external pressures. It’s no different to just having refs making shite decisions. Goal line technology only for me too
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Post by cuz on Aug 12, 2023 23:04:13 GMT 1
Cooper on MOTD complaining VAR not looked at a Declan Rice handball in penalty area. Karma's a bitch ya ugly twat!!!!
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Aug 13, 2023 2:07:50 GMT 1
That goal line decision for Sweden v USA in womens world cup proves the value of the technology...when you think of the men's goal v Germany many years ago which was what, 2 yards over the line...not given. In fact, anything that takes decisions away from useless refs must be a good thing? Goal line technology is a good thing.Var needs scrapping for me. Goal line technology is fine, as long as they check it's f***ing working before each game!
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 13, 2023 8:53:30 GMT 1
VAR worked perfectly well in Scotland last night in a Champions League Qualifying Match between Rangers and Servette of Geneva... Gers were 2-0 up and gave away a free kick on the right and the ball was whipped in at pace and Cyril Dessers palmed the ball with his high hand back to goalkeeper Jack Butland who quickly kept play going and BBC Scotland commentators and summarisers noticed nothing or certainly said nothing - Then after 60 seconds play was stopped for what they thought was a dropped ball, and all of a sudden all manner of camera angles suddenly appeared and showed the most stonewall of penalties to The Napkins (Servette) ! After a wee argy bargy Servette scored and 2-1 remained the final score but for once in Scotland VAR did it’s job correctly although this was operated by officials from Lithuania so that probably explains why they got it right - As usual up here the fallout is Celtic fans accusing BBC Scotland of ‘protection’ of Rangers by not showing the infringement immediately and Gers fans are saying that The National Scottish Broadcaster should indeed be ‘protecting’ teams from Scotland in Europe (although I suspect that if the boot was on the other foot it’d be exactly the same just the opposite way around with the name Celtic replacing Gers in my description of things) ! I think it is a very long time since Gers had a penalty awarded against them in The Scottish League (January 2022) and conspiracy theorists up here are having a field day with that statistical anomaly - but VAR did it’s job last night properly and hopefully it will as well in European matches involved Hibernian, Hearts, Aberdeen and Celtic as well and if that means a penalty against them all in Europe then so be it... I think I’m like most normal fans in that all we wanna see is the rules of the game applied fair and square across the board no matter the size or reputation of the clubs involved - Fairness is all we ask for and want ! 😊 Celtic fans play Penalty Bingo every week, they pick a minute they think Rangers will be awarded a penalty cos they get that many, usually when they need one.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Aug 13, 2023 10:01:52 GMT 1
VAR worked perfectly well in Scotland last night in a Champions League Qualifying Match between Rangers and Servette of Geneva... Gers were 2-0 up and gave away a free kick on the right and the ball was whipped in at pace and Cyril Dessers palmed the ball with his high hand back to goalkeeper Jack Butland who quickly kept play going and BBC Scotland commentators and summarisers noticed nothing or certainly said nothing - Then after 60 seconds play was stopped for what they thought was a dropped ball, and all of a sudden all manner of camera angles suddenly appeared and showed the most stonewall of penalties to The Napkins (Servette) ! After a wee argy bargy Servette scored and 2-1 remained the final score but for once in Scotland VAR did it’s job correctly although this was operated by officials from Lithuania so that probably explains why they got it right - As usual up here the fallout is Celtic fans accusing BBC Scotland of ‘protection’ of Rangers by not showing the infringement immediately and Gers fans are saying that The National Scottish Broadcaster should indeed be ‘protecting’ teams from Scotland in Europe (although I suspect that if the boot was on the other foot it’d be exactly the same just the opposite way around with the name Celtic replacing Gers in my description of things) ! I think it is a very long time since Gers had a penalty awarded against them in The Scottish League (January 2022) and conspiracy theorists up here are having a field day with that statistical anomaly - but VAR did it’s job last night properly and hopefully it will as well in European matches involved Hibernian, Hearts, Aberdeen and Celtic as well and if that means a penalty against them all in Europe then so be it... I think I’m like most normal fans in that all we wanna see is the rules of the game applied fair and square across the board no matter the size or reputation of the clubs involved - Fairness is all we ask for and want ! 😊 Celtic fans play Penalty Bingo every week, they pick a minute they think Rangers will be awarded a penalty cos they get that many, usually when they need one. Won't make a difference this season, Porroh, the title has already been won
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 13, 2023 10:33:58 GMT 1
Cooper on MOTD complaining VAR not looked at a Declan Rice handball in penalty area. Karma's a bitch ya ugly twat!!!! Var refs watching a few camera angles of the whole game?? They obviously looked at it and decided not to stop the game for further evaluation by them or to request the onfield ref to look at it?
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 14, 2023 8:51:54 GMT 1
Celtic fans play Penalty Bingo every week, they pick a minute they think Rangers will be awarded a penalty cos they get that many, usually when they need one. Won't make a difference this season, Porroh, the title has already been won Just seen Saturdays game was Rangers 57th without conceding a penalty, in Scottish football 🤨
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Aug 14, 2023 9:12:54 GMT 1
Won't make a difference this season, Porroh, the title has already been won Just seen Saturdays game was Rangers 57th without conceding a penalty, in Scottish football 🤨 Are they playing us every week? Can't remember the details, but pretty sure under Ferguson, Man Utd didn't conceded a pen at Old Trafford for over 3 seasons?
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 2, 2023 9:51:12 GMT 1
Cards on the table, I have always been against VAR in its current format.
But...
It's happened time and again since the introduction of VAR, but just because a possible error happened to the eternal victim bin dippers, we are never going to hear the bloody end of it!!
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Post by irverino on Oct 2, 2023 10:05:47 GMT 1
Doesn't really matter if its the City bin dippers or United bin dippers but poor refereeing in the VAR room is making PL look a bit of a laughing stock worldwide at the moment......Must have been a handsome pay day for anyone who had both Mancs & both Scousers to lose on Saturday.
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Post by jasrick on Oct 2, 2023 10:22:04 GMT 1
Problem is, decisions in football matches are subjective. So, no matter how much you play with the VAR system there will always be disagreements.
I’ve read a comment on BBC this morning from someone saying what we need is to hear the referees conversations in the stadium whilst they’re making these decisions. Do they really think that will fix the problem?
As long as 50 thousand football fans can hear in real time why their team is getting screwed out of a penalty it’ll all be fine!
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Post by ram on Oct 2, 2023 10:58:47 GMT 1
2 hand balls and a trip from behind {Achilles tendon as well} nailed on penalty,all missed by officials and VAR. Florists the guilty parties in all 3.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 2, 2023 11:07:28 GMT 1
Get with the programme folks, VAR is all part of the show. Need to keep those ratings up for the PL, otherwise people might realise how much of a closed shop it is…
VAR doesn’t need to be run by PGMOL, those bastards are just as corrupt as the hierarchy of the PL itself.
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Post by detox on Oct 3, 2023 7:45:45 GMT 1
Liverpool asking for the transcipt between control room and ref..reminds me, did we ever get the same from THAT play-off final ?
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Post by morrisraspass on Oct 3, 2023 8:52:58 GMT 1
Did we buggery. But we don't have the clout that Liverpool do, nor did we seem to have the same anger. We folded, which seemingly is the HTAFC way in the face of issues with the league
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Post by Norn Iron Terrier on Oct 3, 2023 9:48:28 GMT 1
Whatever it costs Liverpool, Champions league place?, it possibly cost town far more financially.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 3, 2023 10:15:39 GMT 1
Diabolically crap decisions happen on a weekly basis with VAR... but suddenly this one 'means' so much more because its happened to a club as 'special' as Liverpool.
Whilst they milk it for all the victimhood there is as only Liverpool can, I suppose at least when one of the big clubs gets shafted on it makes the possibility of them scrapping the whole VAR farce a little bit more likely.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 3, 2023 10:24:08 GMT 1
Liverpool asking for the transcipt between control room and ref..reminds me, did we ever get the same from THAT play-off final ? Did we ask?
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 3, 2023 10:25:51 GMT 1
Did we buggery. But we don't have the clout that Liverpool do, nor did we seem to have the same anger. We folded, which seemingly is the HTAFC way in the face of issues with the league This. Our meek acceptance angers me more than the <cough> alleged <cough> cheating from the officials.
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Post by kennyk2 on Oct 3, 2023 10:27:22 GMT 1
The Liverpool decision was such an error... I wonder if VAR officials are corruptible?
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Post by irverino on Oct 3, 2023 10:33:39 GMT 1
I suspect the bookies who invest heavily in football are not too impressed, the amount worldwide that must go on the PL Sat/Sun teatime games will run into millions.....You can bet the top team will be at the table for Arsenal v City this week.
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 3, 2023 10:48:26 GMT 1
What I want to know is when will Liverpool be charged with bringing the game into disrepute for their actions in response to this, where they are quite clearly not respecting the decision of the referee, in breach of Law 5.
The laws of the game are simple, the referees decision is final, and EVEN IF HE'S INCORRECT OR REALISES HE'S INCORRECT, after a restart that wrong decision will NOT be changed.
"Law 5 - The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including whether or not a goal is scored and the result of the match, are final. The decisions of the referee, and all other match officials, must always be respected.
The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or on the advice of another match official if play has restarted or the referee has signalled the end of the first or second half (including extra time) and left the field of play or abandoned the match."
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Oct 3, 2023 11:07:42 GMT 1
This one was bad - really bad. Worse than ours - a lot worse. This is the refs and PGMOL fucking up big style, completely out of their depth and now trying to cover things up and find a way to explain as best they can. If you can't understand the difference between this and ours then I'm staggered.
Corruption? Bollocks. Simply a show of complete ineptitude and then scrambling around to try and minimise their image of incompetence.
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Post by detox on Oct 3, 2023 11:22:28 GMT 1
This one was bad - really bad. Worse than ours - a lot worse. This is the refs and PGMOL fucking up big style, completely out of their depth and now trying to cover things up and find a way to explain as best they can. If you can't understand the difference between this and ours then I'm staggered. Corruption? Bollocks. Simply a show of complete ineptitude and then scrambling around to try and minimise their image of incompetence. But....but......but....PGMOL are bringing 'excellence' , 'professionalism' and 'consistency' to match day officiating.....they are the answer to all the previous 'issues' of shit ,unfit refs...They alone are providing officials across the professional game... PGMOL is funded by all the clubs chipping in (wonder how much Town pay...?)..
I reality of course, this organisation is just another gravy train for incompetent overweight old officials ...a closed shop of self aggrandising oafs. Time it was dissolved..and all those responsible for managing it..
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 3, 2023 11:22:52 GMT 1
What I want to know is when will Liverpool be charged with bringing the game into disrepute for their actions in response to this, where they are quite clearly not respecting the decision of the referee, in breach of Law 5. The laws of the game are simple, the referees decision is final, and EVEN IF HE'S INCORRECT OR REALISES HE'S INCORRECT, after a restart that wrong decision will NOT be changed. "Law 5 - The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including whether or not a goal is scored and the result of the match, are final. The decisions of the referee, and all other match officials, must always be respected. The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or on the advice of another match official if play has restarted or the referee has signalled the end of the first or second half (including extra time) and left the field of play or abandoned the match." I know Liverpool are getting the grief on this, but I think the reality is that PGMOL would apologise to all clubs who they’re in a bit of clique with. I’d imagine a dozen clubs wouldn’t be afforded an apology.
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Post by pilgrimterrier on Oct 3, 2023 11:23:59 GMT 1
I watched a documentary on Netflix about point shaving in US college basketball in the 90s. Very interesting and shows how easy it is to corrupt people when large sums of money are involved. The sums of money available in the PL are massive these days. I’m not saying that VAR has been got at in any way, but the thought must have occurred to somebody with a dodgy moral compass………
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