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Post by benhomly on Sept 14, 2022 10:12:55 GMT 1
So after this sacking it would probably have been better financially to have given CC what he wanted? Kind of backs up the other theory as to why he left perhaps? |
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Post by tyketaffy on Sept 14, 2022 10:13:30 GMT 1
What an appalling statement. I absolutely hope that DS has a great career coaching, I wish no ill to the man at all. He deserved so much better and his time I hope will come. Hoyle sent him to the slaughter. I hope it hasn’t killed DS’ career. Good luck Danny. No one forced the guy to take the job, hes had enough time to try and get some plan or best team but has not improved in any way since his first match in charge. He's nice guy but simply not good enough yet to be head coach |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 10:13:57 GMT 1
Its sad really because he's been a loyal servant of the club and seems a genuine nice guy but hes simply not up to the job. I think even if he had been in charge directly after the play off loss he would have done no better. Carlos had the whole COVID season to make his mistakes. Danny was straight into the lion’s den. Dean Hoyle just lost any remaining respect I had for him. |
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Post by upthetown on Sept 14, 2022 10:14:12 GMT 1
What an appalling statement. I absolutely hope that DS has a great career coaching, I wish no ill to the man at all. He deserved so much better and his time I hope will come. Hoyle sent him to the slaughter. I hope it hasn’t killed DS’ career. Good luck Danny. Yep, whilst he was clearly out of his depth it doesn’t really reflect the fact that he was thrown in at the deep end when he wasn’t ready. |
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Post by ram on Sept 14, 2022 10:14:50 GMT 1
For those thinking we can beat Cardiff,look at last night,s result at Boro.Food for thought!
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Post by htfcterry on Sept 14, 2022 10:16:01 GMT 1
I don’t even know if I trust Hoyle and Bromby to get the replacement right. Until I see who it is I aren’t getting any hopes up.
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Post by benhomly on Sept 14, 2022 10:17:13 GMT 1
I don’t even know if I trust Hoyle and Bromby to get the replacement right. Until I see who it is I aren’t getting any hopes up. Was going to say the same, they'd probably do better getting someone like Major Recruitment to do it instead |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 14, 2022 10:18:27 GMT 1
Best of luck for the future Danny. At least these few games will have given you a bit of experience for what it's like to have the top job, hopefully build on it for whatever comes next.
I do hope the club are not looking at the parallels with Forest though. I think we're a better side than 4pts at this stage, but this has clearly become a stabilise and re-build season now. Pretty shit to be saying that after only 8 games...
Onwards & upwards. UTT!!!
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Post by upthetown on Sept 14, 2022 10:22:09 GMT 1
I don’t even know if I trust Hoyle and Bromby to get the replacement right. Until I see who it is I aren’t getting any hopes up. I do hope they take responsibility for this at some point. No good coming out with all the sound bites about this been the plan for years that DS was next in line and then to just give such a generic statement when sacking him. Questions have to be asked re the recruitment process both for the manager and the first team given the obvious weaknesses we have. Even if DS was lined up - they should have given it as an interim role and interviewed others to see what was available and who would be the best fit. They acknowledged that Carlos went years earlier than they expected. An interview process should have show DS likely wasn’t ready. |
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Post by hoggy1975 on Sept 14, 2022 10:22:36 GMT 1
For those thinking we can beat Cardiff,look at last night,s result at Boro.Food for thought! Better chance now of getting a result IMO. |
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Post by Drew Peacock on Sept 14, 2022 10:24:20 GMT 1
So after this sacking it would probably have been better financially to have given CC what he wanted? We don't know this, it was never announced what kind of deal DS signed as head coach, if he even signed one at all. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 14, 2022 10:26:28 GMT 1
I don’t even know if I trust Hoyle and Bromby to get the replacement right. Until I see who it is I aren’t getting any hopes up. The fact they spent 1.5m on deadline day would suggest they know they have screwed up this summer. They will be well aware that this appointment needs to be right. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 14, 2022 10:28:06 GMT 1
I feel really sad for DS and really annoyed that he was put in this position.
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Post by mc on Sept 14, 2022 10:29:12 GMT 1
Not sure on Wagner coming back but if he does it would only be till the end of the season, he wants to go to Spain to try his hand also his Mrs won't be keen as she prefers warmer climates.
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 14, 2022 10:30:18 GMT 1
Whatever happens now I feel this thread should show nothing but respect for a man who was a loyal servant to this club and completely thrown to the wolves by inept club management.
I feel really really disappointed with the club heirsrchy right now however from a footballing decision they have made the right decision at this time.
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 14, 2022 10:31:05 GMT 1
Not sure on Wagner coming back but if he does it would only be till the end of the season, he wants to go to Spain to try his hand also his Mrs won't be keen as she prefers warmer climates. Maybe she saw the Mercury tip 40 degrees this summer and thought she could get an all over tan in the sunny climes of fartown. |
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Post by ambryboy on Sept 14, 2022 10:31:16 GMT 1
How to make yourself look foolish/lacking in football judgement. How much will it now cost to pay off DS and pay a new coach? Want to tell me again we couldn't have kept CC? Utter nonsense. From a human point of view I feel for DS. From a footballing point of view, no other choice. Dean Hoyle knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 14, 2022 10:36:10 GMT 1
How to make yourself look foolish/lacking in football judgement. How much will it now cost to pay off DS and pay a new coach? Want to tell me again we couldn't have kept CC? Utter nonsense. From a human point of view I feel for DS. From a footballing point of view, no other choice. Dean Hoyle knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing From a purely footballing perspective I would have hoped after over 10 years experience he'd have learned a bit more about how to structure a football club to be successful on the pitch, and in a cost effective way. To be fair to PH he showed signs of making a much better fist of the footballing side of things. I am sure that DH probably has a view on his business acumen/financial control but in terms of making footballing decisions in his short time in charge PH has proved to be significantly better. If DH doesn't want to "waste his money" employ PH as CEO and delegate to him. (For the DH positive police I am being deliberately facetious) |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 14, 2022 10:37:12 GMT 1
Gutted for Schofield . Been stitched up and paid the price . He’ll go onto bigger and better things in the long term On the evidence we've all seen with our own eyes during his 10 games in charge (including the dry humping at Millwall after the brothers had been sacked) I'm struggling to see how you can make this prediction. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Sept 14, 2022 10:39:30 GMT 1
It's a results business at the end of the day. It doesn't seem like he's had long but the fact he was already part of the system means that he should have been hitting the ground running a bit quicker than a complete outsider. He wasn't expecting to be first team coach when we finished last season but he didn't turn it down when offered.
It was just too big a job for him at this time in his career. Hope he goes on to be more successful elsewhere but he will have to start at the bottom and work his way up.
We need someone with a clear game plan and with plenty of experience at this level. Even if it's someone that doesn't play particularly sexy football we need to grind some points out now, the financial implications of dropping down another division with the debts we already have don't bear thinking about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 10:39:38 GMT 1
It will probably be Wagner to appease the fans and get someone in Hoyle knows. After all he was paraded in front of the fans a few weeks back.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 14, 2022 10:48:06 GMT 1
I feel really sad for DS and really annoyed that he was put in this position. That's true, but as you say he should never have been put in the position. The lad is thoroughly decent bloke, I have no doubt he could run a training session excellently but he was tactically bereft, showed no ability to manage men and certainly was not a leader. How experienced people like Bromby and Hoyle couldn't work that between them out is beyond me. The real challenge now is both short term and longer term. Short term - we need to stay in the Championship.... if DH has any aspirations to recover any loan, and protect his, already tarnished, legacy he has to realise this. Longer term - we had a plan with the structure that PH introduced, do we continue? The academy works, credit to DH here, but at 1st team we need to recognise to be a solid Championship club we need to use our resources very wisely. Moreover we need to recognise that, as unpalatable as that may be to some, we need to invest in better players every now and again, especially if our model is to develop and sell the talent we have. What has happened since Wembley has been extremely poor, shown a degree of incompetence and borderline neglectful. It has certainly been extremely naive at best. We need some leadership at the top and not a load of downbeat soundbites. Mr Hoyle - you wanted the job, you acknowledge you are the custodian, be the man (as you once were) and steer the ship. If your heart is no longer in it then be honest and look to move on. The good won't be forgotten but don't let the bad be what you are remembered for. We are all just invested observers, some more supportive of you than others, but we all want the best for our club. It is down to you what happens next. |
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Post by johnb1 on Sept 14, 2022 10:54:12 GMT 1
I feel really sad for DS and really annoyed that he was put in this position. That's true, but as you say he should never have been put in the position. The lad is thoroughly decent bloke, I have no doubt he could run a training session excellently but he was tactically bereft, showed no ability to manage men and certainly was not a leader. How experienced people like Bromby and Hoyle couldn't work that between them out is beyond me. The real challenge now is both short term and longer term. Short term - we need to stay in the Championship.... if DH has any aspirations to recover any loan, and protect his, already tarnished, legacy he has to realise this. Longer term - we had a plan with the structure that PH introduced, do we continue? The academy works, credit to DH here, but at 1st team we need to recognise to be a solid Championship club we need to use our resources very wisely. Moreover we need to recognise that, as unpalatable as that may be to some, we need to invest in better players every now and again, especially if our model is to develop and sell the talent we have. What has happened since Wembley has been extremely poor, shown a degree of incompetence and borderline neglectful. It has certainly been extremely naive at best. We need some leadership at the top and not a load of downbeat soundbites. Mr Hoyle - you wanted the job, you acknowledge you are the custodian, be the man (as you once were) and steer the ship. If your heart is no longer in it then be honest and look to move on. The good won't be forgotten but don't let the bad be what you are remembered for. We are all just invested observers, some more supportive of you than others, but we all want the best for our club. It is down to you what happens next. When Hoyle sold to Phil he later said that offers from international parties were turned down because they planned to take out loans which could potentially cripple the club if we weren't successful. Hoyle had lost interest in the club for obvious reasons over health, and he'd already achieved a once in a lifetime success that probably won't be repeated. It feels like he's only here now because the club could have entered administration when Phil's businesses collapsed, so I can't see any big announcements on managers. I think you're right - he needs to ensure survival short term no matter what and then look to selling the club on. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 14, 2022 10:54:43 GMT 1
One thing that struck me was, if the coach is just one cog in the big machine... who's managing them (the players)? I think it may be now time to dispense with this coach idea and appoint a manager.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 14, 2022 10:58:55 GMT 1
One thing that struck me was, if the coach is just one cog in the big machine... who's managing them (the players)? I think it may be now time to dispense with this coach idea and appoint a manager. A good observation but I would offer it worked under CC. |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 14, 2022 11:00:06 GMT 1
One thing that struck me was, if the coach is just one cog in the big machine... who's managing them (the players)? I think it may be now time to dispense with this coach idea and appoint a manager. Agreed and a manager in the ilk of Dyche won't come under the current set up. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 14, 2022 11:00:07 GMT 1
It had to happen.
Who next ? Wagner ? Im not sure if that will happen. Its a big job with 38 games to go somehow we need 50 pts at least. That's a big ask.
Bromby also has to follow. The recruitment, awful. Boyle FFS...Simpson FFS (They say xmas but long term injuries often have short term muscle injuries that follow). No Left back. Im guessing ,that as its just a club statement and not one from him that he has also gone.
Lets hope by xmas things look a little better.
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 14, 2022 11:08:00 GMT 1
You saying he's gone, or has he actually gone? Well the tactics were pish... and the results were shite ! |
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Post by bogart on Sept 14, 2022 11:19:11 GMT 1
What an appalling statement. I absolutely hope that DS has a great career coaching, I wish no ill to the man at all. He deserved so much better and his time I hope will come. Hoyle sent him to the slaughter. I hope it hasn’t killed DS’ career. Good luck Danny. Yep, whilst he was clearly out of his depth it doesn’t really reflect the fact that he was thrown in at the deep end when he wasn’t ready. He wasn't thrown in he jumped. Was probably not thinking rationally when CC left and DH came a knocking. |
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Post by unclembenza on Sept 14, 2022 11:20:43 GMT 1
Carrick would be a decent option
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