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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 26, 2022 15:38:02 GMT 1
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Post by mallyb on Sept 26, 2022 15:42:03 GMT 1
It would be a joke of an appointment
We need an instant impact not a rookie that needs time to settle in to the jobLose the next 3 or 4 and it's league one next season and we will be after yet another manager by Xmas This could be the end for Dean if they go down this road!! Experience needed in our predicament not another bleeding rookie Its all most as if David Wagner never happened! He was a total unknown from German football and had an instant impact on a side very low in confidence. Why are people so sure this guy wont have an immediate positive impact simply because they've never heard of him? Don't think most are saying he wont. The feeling for me is more that the club got it wrong in the summer and as a result this guy wont get much patience or time from fans if he doesn't have an immediate impact. For that reason an experienced head coach rather than another experienced assistant would have given more confidence. Wagner was a head coach, making tactical decisions in game and changes etc to get results. Carlos hit the ground running and had a bad spell due to injuries and limited squad depth. With both you could see very quickly what the manager was trying to do and a structure even if results didn't match performances always. Unfortunately that wasn't evident with Jan or Danny. If it is Mark hopefully his eyes are wide open to the potential hostile environment. I personally think if this goes wrong Bromby will be leaving with this manager either voluntarily or with a shove. Also this is a real gutsy decision from Dean. Easy option is go and get a name like Wagner or Hughton. This guy is certainly not a yes man and is a risk. This is why Dean is richer than the rest of us, probably not the first time he has made a tough choice when an easier choice seems the more logical to outsiders. Lets hope Dean and Bromby get full credit if this works out. |
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Post by ashfieldterrier on Sept 26, 2022 15:42:57 GMT 1
I am still hoping that this is not true, I think the club are taking too big of a risk with another unknown, but if it happens please let it be like the second coming of Wagner 🤞🏻🤞🏻
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 26, 2022 15:49:21 GMT 1
We don't have an option other than to give him a chance. He could turn out to be exactly the right man but equally he could be a disaster just like Hoyles previous two appointments. If results don't pick up immediately do Hoyle & Bromby ask for patience because they've decided to go down the zero experience, cheap, yes man route again? Things will turn toxic very quickly if it doesn't work out early doors. We're in the relegation zone, we just don't have the time to let another rookie find his feet otherwise we'll be down.
Gambling with the club on coaches with no experience is very dangerous, especially when you consider that the very same gamble backfired massively only a few months ago.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Sept 26, 2022 16:00:02 GMT 1
I’m guessing it’ll be a 1 year rolling contract so Hoyle can fling him on the scrap heap with the rest if it goes tits up
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Post by King Neil on Sept 26, 2022 16:00:37 GMT 1
Let's see how the feeling is on here in 2 weeks time...3 games and no wins and the atmosphere will be very toxic
It's a different set of circumstances for our current needs!
Carlos had experience under bielsa and had first hand experience of the championship and what it's all about
To bring a total rookie who hasn't been a number one or has any experience of the championship is total madness imo
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 26, 2022 16:06:43 GMT 1
Also this is a real gutsy decision from Dean. Easy option is go and get a name like Wagner or Hughton. This guy is certainly not a yes man and is a risk. This is why Dean is richer than the rest of us, probably not the first time he has made a tough choice when an easier choice seems the more logical to outsiders. Lets hope Dean and Bromby get full credit if this works out. Or it’s a cheap decision/option compared to the others mentioned and that’s why DH is richer than us! |
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Post by rockwall on Sept 26, 2022 16:06:50 GMT 1
Uninspiring? Yes
Is it what a lot of us want? No
But, none of us know how he would get on. None of us had really heard of Wagner when we appointed him. We were all excited as his background was with Klopp in Germany.
Yes, Siewert didn't work, but he had all the egos that didn't want to be here, so I always cut him slack.
Schofield, he is evidently a fantastic coach, but unfortunately, in the deep end with management.
MF has worked with bigger personnel than DS so we can't even compare the 2.
Heart is saying what on earth are we doing.
Head is saying, this could be another master stroke.
If appointed, nothing we can do about it apart from get fully behind him from the off, especially 1st home game V Hull, live on Sky.
Negativity filters through. Yes, Wagner would have had it rocking, but us, the fans, can do that anyway whoever we put it charge.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 26, 2022 16:11:22 GMT 1
Cheap cheap cheap how r we spending 5 million a year from DHs pocket we must be the lowest spending club in this division.. We literally do everything on the cheap. I’ve not felt as deflated about my club since I was a kid.
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Post by mosher on Sept 26, 2022 16:12:07 GMT 1
To say I'm underwhelmed (if this is happening) is an understatement. But I'm more than willing to give the guy a chance. As Slapps said, I'd never heard of Herr Wagner before his appointment. I'd only heard of Carlos because my dad and sis are L***s fans. I'd heard of Mick Wadsworth, Malcolm Macdonald, Mark Robins, Stan Ternent, Chris Powell and Mark Robins though. Maybe we should give one of them a chance! Sounds like a Guards Officer??? Capt Mark Mckay Fotheringham ..esq.. Got to give him a go if he does get the gig. We can play, we have seen it, just not for long enough in games, they get that bit sorted and who knows?? UTT... I actually remember a Captain in either Fally or Soltau called Fotheringham  |
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Post by mosher on Sept 26, 2022 16:14:27 GMT 1
All we have to go off is his CV and when you compare that to 2015 David Wagner who had played at the highest domestic level for a sustained period of time, capped internationally, won the UEFA cup, been a HEAD coach at an elite European club for 5 years (albeit the B side) but working under Klopp, MF's doesn't look too impressive in comparison. We have to get behind him and I wish him every success. I love an inflated CV. Head coach at an elite European club.. Dortmund reserves. capped internationally....8 caps for USA Won the UEFA cup,,,, was an unused sub in the 2nd leg of the final. Played at the highest domestic level for a sustained period... 30 appearances in the German top flight in his entire career. History rewritten to suit an argument? On a Town Forum? Well I never  |
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 26, 2022 16:17:53 GMT 1
Let's see how the feeling is on here in 2 weeks time...3 games and no wins and the atmosphere will be very toxic It's a different set of circumstances for our current needs! Carlos had experience under bielsa and had first hand experience of the championship and what it's all about To bring a total rookie who hasn't been a number one or has any experience of the championship is total madness imo Narcis stopped the rot by putting round pegs in round holes and displaying a bit of passion. Let's hope the new man can build on that. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 26, 2022 16:19:59 GMT 1
Well at least i don’t have to go to Reading now and go to Arsenal Tottenham instead.
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Post by dezzly on Sept 26, 2022 16:30:09 GMT 1
Let's see how the feeling is on here in 2 weeks time...3 games and no wins and the atmosphere will be very toxic It's a different set of circumstances for our current needs! Carlos had experience under bielsa and had first hand experience of the championship and what it's all about To bring a total rookie who hasn't been a number one or has any experience of the championship is total madness imo Did he not play in the champ for Norwich? I know it’s not managing/coaching but it is experience of the championship. |
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Post by TJTown on Sept 26, 2022 16:36:41 GMT 1
Disaster written all over it.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Sept 26, 2022 16:40:46 GMT 1
Disaster written all over it. 100% Just read up on his playing career too and it sounds farcical, including 2 instances where he had to be frozen out of club for acting like an idiot. |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 26, 2022 16:42:01 GMT 1
I wish him the best as I will for whomever comes in.
It may not seem like what a few on here want but I think he will be a step up from DS, lets hope so anyway.
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Post by cuz on Sept 26, 2022 16:43:07 GMT 1
Sounds like a Guards Officer??? Capt Mark Mckay Fotheringham ..esq.. Got to give him a go if he does get the gig. We can play, we have seen it, just not for long enough in games, they get that bit sorted and who knows?? UTT... I actually remember a Captain in either Fally or Soltau called Fotheringham Or Mr McKay from Porridge!! |
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Post by Wingman on Sept 26, 2022 16:46:01 GMT 1
Examiner profiling him, and it reads like an appointment piece. Get ready methinks.
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Post by griffa on Sept 26, 2022 16:53:42 GMT 1
How long will he last at Town. If he's appointed Bromby will lose any credibility, he may still have! Is this a script written by the Midsummer Murders Team? Hertha Berlin's record this season, is as follows P7 W1 D3 L3, is that the record of a winner? - UTT. |
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 26, 2022 16:55:05 GMT 1
Let's see how the feeling is on here in 2 weeks time...3 games and no wins and the atmosphere will be very toxic It's a different set of circumstances for our current needs! Carlos had experience under bielsa and had first hand experience of the championship and what it's all about To bring a total rookie who hasn't been a number one or has any experience of the championship is total madness imo It’s always toxic on here |
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Post by Dan on Sept 26, 2022 16:57:49 GMT 1
How long will he last at Town. If he's appointed Bromby will lose any credibility, he may still have! Is this a script written by the Midsummer Murders Team? Hertha Berlin's record this season, is as follows P7 W1 D3 L3, is that the record of a winner? - UTT. Hopefully Fotheringham's coaching skills are better than your research. He left Hertha in the summer. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2022 16:58:34 GMT 1
Its all most as if David Wagner never happened! He was a total unknown from German football and had an instant impact on a side very low in confidence. Why are people so sure this guy wont have an immediate positive impact simply because they've never heard of him? Don't think most are saying he wont. The feeling for me is more that the club got it wrong in the summer and as a result this guy wont get much patience or time from fans if he doesn't have an immediate impact. For that reason an experienced head coach rather than another experienced assistant would have given more confidence. Wagner was a head coach, making tactical decisions in game and changes etc to get results. Carlos hit the ground running and had a bad spell due to injuries and limited squad depth. With both you could see very quickly what the manager was trying to do and a structure even if results didn't match performances always. Unfortunately that wasn't evident with Jan or Danny. If it is Mark hopefully his eyes are wide open to the potential hostile environment. I personally think if this goes wrong Bromby will be leaving with this manager either voluntarily or with a shove. Also this is a real gutsy decision from Dean. Easy option is go and get a name like Wagner or Hughton. This guy is certainly not a yes man and is a risk. This is why Dean is richer than the rest of us, probably not the first time he has made a tough choice when an easier choice seems the more logical to outsiders. Lets hope Dean and Bromby get full credit if this works out. Personally I think if it turns out not to be Wagner, then that will be because Wagner wasnt an option all along for whatever reasons... probably Wagner's reasons more than Towns. It is a gutsy decision if it is MMF. Another untried novice manager. But putting your faith in any new manager is a gutsy decision. There are plenty of journeyman out of work managers out there we could have gone for or we could have tried to poach a manager from a club lower down the pyramid, but they'd all be the same roll of the dice as this guy will be IMO. I dont see there being any reason for a negative hostile environment for this new manager until his results arent good enough, if they arent. he could be a disaster or he could be a sensationally good appointment. I dont think whether we've heard of him before or whether he's got years of experience makes much difference in which one of those he's likely to be closest to. |
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Post by Orinoco on Sept 26, 2022 17:06:11 GMT 1
Will waggers do owt if he is employed by the club, give mr F a chance at least if he is appointed.
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Post by gazramataz on Sept 26, 2022 17:07:53 GMT 1
I think if appointed in the summer it would have looked quite a forward thinking astute appointment. He's clearly appreciated as an assistant coach, seems less of a nice guy that Danny S but at the same time is praised for really getting on with players at the clubs he has coached at.
My main concern is that he comes into a club trying to regain confidence and he goes all Siewart and gives it the big I am to the players, who immediately don't buy into him a result.
We shall see.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2022 17:10:24 GMT 1
Cheap cheap cheap how r we spending 5 million a year from DHs pocket we must be the lowest spending club in this division.. We literally do everything on the cheap. I’ve not felt as deflated about my club since I was a kid. Which manager would you have preferred we spend a few million bringing in... who would come and manage us ?? If this is anywhere near the most deflating times you can remember supporting town, you should be doing your homework, not wasting time on here! |
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Post by ldr on Sept 26, 2022 17:18:34 GMT 1
Whoever we get, needs to be firm imo. I look at our squad and I see a decent team, not brilliant but surely with enough to stay up. However, I get the impression that it might not be a great dressing room. I’ve no inside knowledge just a gut feeling with how some of the lads have gone missing, displayed petulance or looked unfit.
I’m not saying the new guy has to go in like Steven Gerrard at Villa (has anyone else seen the fines list? 🤣) but he needs to get on top of them asap as he will not be afforded a lot of time by our discontented fans.
UTT whoever is in charge!
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Post by wigster on Sept 26, 2022 17:25:12 GMT 1
Certainly has experience as a player - as far as I can see he's played for 15 clubs !!! Certainly not a stayer.
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Post by bobbyblue on Sept 26, 2022 17:27:10 GMT 1
Don't jump the gun talking to someone who works at the stadium he's just said up too am hour ago they where 3 people in the running for the job and says its just paper talk regarding mark Fotheringham
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Post by Amigo on Sept 26, 2022 17:29:11 GMT 1
Cheap cheap cheap how r we spending 5 million a year from DHs pocket we must be the lowest spending club in this division.. We literally do everything on the cheap. I’ve not felt as deflated about my club since I was a kid. That must make you about 20 years old now then. |
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