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Post by Champers on Oct 9, 2022 17:06:33 GMT 1
I'm sure nobody is disappointed with the scoreline but this just isn't enjoyable to watch at all. I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest we won't get relegated this season. Really? Everyone we've played at home so far have been poor apart from maybe Burnley and they weren't that great. We're in that group as well at the moment but I think we've got the players to get us out of it. Anyone who says we only finished 3rd last season because the division was poor obviously hasn't watched much of this seasons dross. Yeah really. I watch us and have absolutely no idea what the plan is and think we lack cohesion. Hogg coming back might improve things and give us a bit more leadership but I still think we're bang in trouble. As always, happy to be proven wrong. |
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Post by Drew Peacock on Oct 9, 2022 17:09:15 GMT 1
What I like is that we finally look like giving some of these young players a chance instead of watching the same players fail week after week. If they are good enough they are old enough. Gradual introduction into the team will give them confidence and they will develop far quicker. Fair play to the new manager. 2 up front too.. Good news when Simpson is fit. Agreed, delighted with this. We've had periods in the past where we've had forwards going through lean spells while a B team striker has been banging goals in left right and centre but not getting a sniff. All change under MF, just a shame so many are out on loan now. |
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Post by ColchTerrier on Oct 9, 2022 17:12:07 GMT 1
Really? Everyone we've played at home so far have been poor apart from maybe Burnley and they weren't that great. We're in that group as well at the moment but I think we've got the players to get us out of it. Anyone who says we only finished 3rd last season because the division was poor obviously hasn't watched much of this seasons dross. Yeah really. I watch us and have absolutely no idea what the plan is and think we lack cohesion. Hogg coming back might improve things and give us a bit more leadership but I still think we're bang in trouble. As always, happy to be proven wrong. Hogg, Pearson, Kasumu, Jones, Tino all to come back. All will improve us, we’ll be absolutley fine. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Oct 9, 2022 17:13:54 GMT 1
Really? Everyone we've played at home so far have been poor apart from maybe Burnley and they weren't that great. We're in that group as well at the moment but I think we've got the players to get us out of it. Anyone who says we only finished 3rd last season because the division was poor obviously hasn't watched much of this seasons dross. Yeah really. I watch us and have absolutely no idea what the plan is and think we lack cohesion. Hogg coming back might improve things and give us a bit more leadership but I still think we're bang in trouble. As always, happy to be proven wrong. I've seen enough to be confident that there are at least three teams in this league that are a fair bit worse than us. Obviously we can't be complacent but a bit of belief and confidence seems to be coming back into the side. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 9, 2022 17:19:54 GMT 1
Can someone explain that when Yuta was given his totting-up booking, the ref quite clearly pointed back at what had been an incident in the corner 30 seconds earlier where Yutu had gone in aggressively and fairly, forced a throw-in (or Camara came away with it, can't remember), and neither the ref nor the lino gave it as a foul ? It was almost like he'd just got pissed off with Yuta and was after an excuse to book him, after that stupidness with the throw-in in the first half where he kept telling him to move about one foot. Seemed very poor referreeing today, very picky about things that don't matter, and not controlling the game with any authority at all really. It was Tim Robinson, poor refereeing is a given. |
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Post by dalelaneterrier on Oct 9, 2022 17:23:04 GMT 1
I didn't think he was fouled either. The non-reaction of his team mates and the coaching staff suggests they didn't think so either. No one even went to see how he was! Definitely bottled the challenge. Thomas altered his run to make sure he didn't get there. Then went in half hearted. He wasn't fouled and just dangling a leg there like he did, leads to getting injured. That's how I saw it too. He stayed down feigning an injury keeping us down to 10 then remarkably sprinted back onto the pitch after treatment showing no signs of having had a knock.Then,when the ball went out of play again, he came over to the linesman on the Kilner Bank and lost his cool with him before seeking retribution by wiping the fullback out the next time he saw him. He was lucky to still be on the pitch at the end. I don't think the full back did anything wrong - Sorba bottled it and that made it look like a bad challenge. I can never understand why players react like Sorba did today and I hate antics like that from players of either side - fortunately I think its been a rarity for Town to have a player behave like this over the years. I'm all for showing passion,fight etc and Sorba is certainly talented but I think he needs to curb his temperament |
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Post by Orinoco on Oct 9, 2022 17:24:49 GMT 1
Yeah really. I watch us and have absolutely no idea what the plan is and think we lack cohesion. Hogg coming back might improve things and give us a bit more leadership but I still think we're bang in trouble. As always, happy to be proven wrong. I've seen enough to be confident that there are at least three teams in this league that are a fair bit worse than us. Obviously we can't be complacent but a bit of belief and confidence seems to be coming back into the side. wins boost confidence, 4 points from these 2 games is a confidence booster for the players and fans, next game versus a Rotherham side who are on a bit of a slide at the moment, but certainly dont get too over confident, still a lot of work to do, but todays win was very much needed and greatfully accepted!!. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Oct 9, 2022 17:24:51 GMT 1
Definitely bottled the challenge. Thomas altered his run to make sure he didn't get there. Then went in half hearted. He wasn't fouled and just dangling a leg there like he did, leads to getting injured. That's how I saw it too. He stayed down feigning an injury keeping us down to 10 then remarkably sprinted back onto the pitch after treatment showing no signs of having had a knock.Then,when the ball went out of play again, he came over to the linesman on the Kilner Bank and lost his cool with him before seeking retribution by wiping the fullback out the next time he saw him. He was lucky to still be on the pitch at the end. I don't think the full back did anything wrong - Sorba bottled it and that made it look like a bad challenge. I can never understand why players react like Sorba did today and I hate antics like that from players of either side - fortunately I think its been a rarity for Town to have a player behave like this over the years. I'm all for showing passion,fight etc and Sorba is certainly talented but I think he needs to curb his temperament The Sky replays showed that Thomas got the ball... Doyle went through him and scooped the ball up. No foul but Thomas was first to the ball... bottled nothing. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 9, 2022 17:27:07 GMT 1
With Kusumu added to that XI in place of Rudoni, I don't think there's a place for Hogg, and to be honest I don't think there's really a place for Rudoni to go in ahead of Holmes, he just seems too powder-puff. Kasumu & Holmes have quite rightly got the shirts at the moment. However, we need another central midfield option as Kasumu is likely to be suspended in 2 or 2 games time and Camara is likely to need a rest as well and Rudoni isn't the answer. Rudoni did create and score quite a few goals from a more advanced position, which is why we bought him, but at the moment all we've done is stuck him on the wing or in central midfield. He deserves the chance to show what he can do in his best position, but he is behind Holmes at the moment. Holmes has played well since Scoffer got through boot but he creates nothing as a 10. He's never going to get better than he is now. Rudoni is a lot younger and still improving, I'd like to see him get a run at 10. It'd be harsh on Holmes but I want the best players in their best position. When Sorba smashed that Ayling wannabe, in retaliation, I'd have taken him off straight away brought Diarra on at 10 and put Holmes on the right. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Oct 9, 2022 17:31:21 GMT 1
That's how I saw it too. He stayed down feigning an injury keeping us down to 10 then remarkably sprinted back onto the pitch after treatment showing no signs of having had a knock.Then,when the ball went out of play again, he came over to the linesman on the Kilner Bank and lost his cool with him before seeking retribution by wiping the fullback out the next time he saw him. He was lucky to still be on the pitch at the end. I don't think the full back did anything wrong - Sorba bottled it and that made it look like a bad challenge. I can never understand why players react like Sorba did today and I hate antics like that from players of either side - fortunately I think its been a rarity for Town to have a player behave like this over the years. I'm all for showing passion,fight etc and Sorba is certainly talented but I think he needs to curb his temperament The Sky replays showed that Thomas got the ball... Doyle went through him and scooped the ball up. No foul but Thomas was first to the ball... bottled nothing. Not sure how it isn't a foul if Doyle "went through him". It was at least as much a foul as the one Nakayama got carded for. |
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Post by Orinoco on Oct 9, 2022 17:32:50 GMT 1
Kasumu & Holmes have quite rightly got the shirts at the moment. However, we need another central midfield option as Kasumu is likely to be suspended in 2 or 2 games time and Camara is likely to need a rest as well and Rudoni isn't the answer. Rudoni did create and score quite a few goals from a more advanced position, which is why we bought him, but at the moment all we've done is stuck him on the wing or in central midfield. He deserves the chance to show what he can do in his best position, but he is behind Holmes at the moment. Holmes has played well since Scoffer got through boot but he creates nothing as a 10. He's never going to get better than he is now. Rudoni is a lot younger and still improving, I'd like to see him get a run at 10. It'd be harsh on Holmes but I want the best players in their best position. When Sorba smashed that Ayling wannabe, in retaliation, I'd have taken him off straight away brought Diarra on at 10 and put Holmes on the right. from what ive seen of Diara he looks a great prospect. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Oct 9, 2022 17:33:35 GMT 1
Can someone explain that when Yuta was given his totting-up booking, the ref quite clearly pointed back at what had been an incident in the corner 30 seconds earlier where Yutu had gone in aggressively and fairly, forced a throw-in (or Camara came away with it, can't remember), and neither the ref nor the lino gave it as a foul ? It was almost like he'd just got pissed off with Yuta and was after an excuse to book him, after that stupidness with the throw-in in the first half where he kept telling him to move about one foot. Seemed very poor referreeing today, very picky about things that don't matter, and not controlling the game with any authority at all really. It was Tim Robinson, poor refereeing is a given. Knew I recognised him from previous games, but couldn't think of the name. Wondered if it was Jeremy Simpson in a syrup! |
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Post by Orinoco on Oct 9, 2022 17:39:50 GMT 1
Never realised Hulls goal diff was so bad, dwarfs the rest of the division.
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Post by rockwall on Oct 9, 2022 17:52:00 GMT 1
Cannot actually believe some of the dross I am reading this evening.
We have won 2-0.
In the position we are in right now, you take any win.
We will play better and lose.
People saying they have not seen anything to suggest we will get out of the bottom 3 is ridiculous.
Look at our squad today. Jackson, Camara, Rudoni and Sorba all 23 or under. Ondo, Diarra, Bilokapic and Spencer on the bench too.
Players missing - Hogg, Pearson, Tino and
Kasumu. More or less in our 1st 11. Russell and Simpson too.
Lots and lots of positives today for me. We looked a yard quicker when pressing. We won a lot of 2nd balls today. We nullified Hull, their main chance we got away with, but other than that nothing.
Some fans expect too much too quick. I said after the Reading game, I would judge us on today in MF 3rd game. I like the improvements so far.
I don't understand how come people can enjoy a game when all they do is witter and moan. If you want perfection, there is a team in sky blue 40 minutes away where you can go.
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Post by rockwall on Oct 9, 2022 17:53:23 GMT 1
That's how I saw it too. He stayed down feigning an injury keeping us down to 10 then remarkably sprinted back onto the pitch after treatment showing no signs of having had a knock.Then,when the ball went out of play again, he came over to the linesman on the Kilner Bank and lost his cool with him before seeking retribution by wiping the fullback out the next time he saw him. He was lucky to still be on the pitch at the end. I don't think the full back did anything wrong - Sorba bottled it and that made it look like a bad challenge. I can never understand why players react like Sorba did today and I hate antics like that from players of either side - fortunately I think its been a rarity for Town to have a player behave like this over the years. I'm all for showing passion,fight etc and Sorba is certainly talented but I think he needs to curb his temperament The Sky replays showed that Thomas got the ball... Doyle went through him and scooped the ball up. No foul but Thomas was first to the ball... bottled nothing. Absolutely nothing wrong with the tackle. One of the best tackles you will see this season. If it was the other way round we would be applauding and telling the opposition to get up. |
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Post by griffa on Oct 9, 2022 18:01:25 GMT 1
It was Tim Robinson, poor refereeing is a given. Knew I recognised him from previous games, but couldn't think of the name. Wondered if it was Jeremy Simpson in a syrup! Tim Robinson, Jeremy Simpson, James Linnington, Jarred Gillett, Robert Jones, Peter Bankes & Matthew O'Donohue etc, etc - UTT. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 9, 2022 18:05:41 GMT 1
Second half today we actually took throws a lot quicker, doesent half help.(long throws aside). The whole team and the whole game looks better the quicker we do it. I'd like to see Holmes trying a Tommy Cowan at Oakwell special, only needs a glance off a defender and it's a goal... Not that the clueless officials like we always seem to get would give it of course. He can't throw it far enough to reach the goal. The other week after he was subbed Turton took a throw, without a run up, and it went as far as Holmseys "long" throws do. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Oct 9, 2022 18:26:43 GMT 1
Haven’t been able to watch the game yet, been busy with eldest grandson’s 5th birthday party. Superheroes, just had to walk home with a blow-up of Batman from the village hall to the house. Got a funny look from a passer-by. At least it wasn’t a blow-up doll, ah, ah.
Sounds like it wasn’t the greatest game but I don’t care. The result should give confidence to the team and, very importantly, to Mark Fotheringham. I like that he apparently bollocked a couple of players at half time despite being 1 up. Sounds like he’s not going to be a pushover for anybody.
I’ll look forward to watching the recording tomorrow.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 9, 2022 18:38:14 GMT 1
Haven’t been able to watch the game yet, been busy with eldest grandson’s 5th birthday party. Superheroes, just had to walk home with a blow-up of Batman from the village hall to the house. Got a funny look from a passer-by. At least it wasn’t a blow-up doll, ah, ah. Sounds like it wasn’t the greatest game but I don’t care. The result should give confidence to the team and, very importantly, to Mark Fotheringham. I like that he apparently bollocked a couple of players at half time despite being 1 up. Sounds like he’s not going to be a pushover for anybody. I’ll look forward to watching the recording tomorrow. I'd fast forward and start watching about 25 mins in |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 9, 2022 18:39:27 GMT 1
Knew I recognised him from previous games, but couldn't think of the name. Wondered if it was Jeremy Simpson in a syrup! Tim Robinson, Jeremy Simpson, James Linnington, Jarred Gillett, Robert Jones, Peter Bankes & Matthew O'Donohue etc, etc - UTT. Jon Moss and Tierney. Yes I went there lol. Trevor Kettle used to be a bad one too. |
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Post by longtimesupporter on Oct 9, 2022 18:40:40 GMT 1
Is it just me or does Rhodes seem to have gained half a yard of pace? Thought he was excellent today. Plays very much like Harry Kane. Kasumu for Rudoni next game and we are winning. |
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Post by longtimesupporter on Oct 9, 2022 18:42:52 GMT 1
Is it just me or does Rhodes seem to have gained half a yard of pace? Thought he was excellent today. Plays very much like Harry Kane. Kasumu for Rudoni next game and we are winning. We said the same about Rhodes being quicker and stronger. |
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 9, 2022 18:50:47 GMT 1
Not the prettiest performance but a much welcome win. We started really poorly and seemed nervous. Grew into it particularly second half when we got closer to them and our pressing was much more effective.
Best players for me were Camara, Holmes & Rhodes. But there were solid performances from most of them, we definitely seemed more energetic.
Man of the match Helik who was much steadier than previously, we really need some of last seasons defensive solidity if we’re going to climb away from the bottom so the clean sheet was almost as welcome as the win.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Oct 9, 2022 18:54:22 GMT 1
Tim Robinson, Jeremy Simpson, James Linnington, Jarred Gillett, Robert Jones, Peter Bankes & Matthew O'Donohue etc, etc - UTT. Trevor Kettle used to be a bad one too. He still is a bad one. He was fourth official at a Sutton United game last season. All game he was picking up on the smallest little transgression outside of their box by either of the managers or coaches. Then, on Kettle’s say-so the referee sent the SU captain off for something only he apparently saw. The red card was later rescinded by the EFL. Sums Kettle up…. always has to be the centre of attention and utterly incompetent. |
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Post by pterrier on Oct 9, 2022 18:59:55 GMT 1
Not quite sure about the game today. The main problem being playing ward and Rhodes up front which meant our midfield looked swamped at times, especially as hull could press high and knew we had no one to run in behind. A better team would have picked us off today, I’m not sure how long we can persist with playing a front two of ward and Rhodes and also a CAM.
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Post by andyeastleake on Oct 9, 2022 19:04:02 GMT 1
I'm sure nobody is disappointed with the scoreline but this just isn't enjoyable to watch at all. I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest we won't get relegated this season. Really? Everyone we've played at home so far have been poor apart from maybe Burnley and they weren't that great. We're in that group as well at the moment but I think we've got the players to get us out of it. Anyone who says we only finished 3rd last season because the division was poor obviously hasn't watched much of this seasons dross. Absolutely. Surely seeing Hull today makes you more confident of avoiding relegation? This looks potentially a very very poor division this year and I'd agree even Burnley or Norwich weren't great. We know lots of this team are capable of much better than they've shown so far & we've players to come back who improve the team. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2022 19:07:40 GMT 1
2 goals, clean sheet, first home win for the new head coach, players to come back from injury and suspension, big confidence boost, what's not to like.  |
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Post by kennyk2 on Oct 9, 2022 19:11:10 GMT 1
Really? Everyone we've played at home so far have been poor apart from maybe Burnley and they weren't that great. We're in that group as well at the moment but I think we've got the players to get us out of it. Anyone who says we only finished 3rd last season because the division was poor obviously hasn't watched much of this seasons dross. Absolutely. Surely seeing Hull today makes you more confident of avoiding relegation? This looks potentially a very very poor division this year and I'd agree even Burnley or Norwich weren't great. We know lots of this team are capable of much better than they've shown so far & we've players to come back who improve the team. It was a really poor division last year, that's why Huddersfield and Luton got into the play offs. It was also a very poor division the two seasons before that. The two seasons before that I didn't have much interest in it, but the season before that it was shit because tiny Huddersfield got promoted. |
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 9, 2022 19:11:44 GMT 1
Not quite sure about the game today. The main problem being playing ward and Rhodes up front which meant our midfield looked swamped at times, especially as hull could press high and knew we had no one to run in behind. A better team would have picked us off today, I’m not sure how long we can persist with playing a front two of ward and Rhodes and also a CAM. Ward was playing in midfield most of the game to be fair |
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Post by andyeastleake on Oct 9, 2022 19:23:01 GMT 1
but the season before that it was shit because tiny Huddersfield got promoted. TBf The division seemed much stronger that year illustrated by the fact Newcastle & Brighton got promoted & haven't come back. We survived a year and deserved promotion. Some big clubs were in the league that year Wolves, Villa & Leeds included. I see absolutely nothing to suggest the league is as strong this year based on the teams we've played. |
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