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Post by boooothy on Oct 21, 2022 19:15:26 GMT 1
He said Helik, Lees, Jackson, Thomas, Holmes we’re all playing well, and i agree with that. So why we losing if we have players in good form? I honestly think it’s purely the team selection, in particular 2 strikers leaving us short elsewhere. Put that right and i think we’re ok. Lees is playing absolutely shite He wouldn’t be in my team either. Turton and the Japanese chap with side of Helik is much more balanced. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 21, 2022 19:16:22 GMT 1
I think its a stretch to say anybody is playing well at the moment. Duane Holmes probably could claim that and he'd have a decent case.
The rest are having decent moments in games but some dreadful moments too. There is a reason why we're bottom and it doesn't usually correlate with players playing well
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Post by griffa on Oct 21, 2022 19:30:48 GMT 1
He said Helik, Lees, Jackson, Thomas, Holmes we’re all playing well, and i agree with that. So why we losing if we have players in good form? I honestly think it’s purely the team selection, in particular 2 strikers leaving us short elsewhere. Put that right and i think we’re ok. Tom Lees has not being playing, he was dreadful v Rotherham, just as bad against PNE! |
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Post by ACW on Oct 21, 2022 19:33:40 GMT 1
He said Helik, Lees, Jackson, Thomas, Holmes we’re all playing well, and i agree with that. So why we losing if we have players in good form? I honestly think it’s purely the team selection, in particular 2 strikers leaving us short elsewhere. Put that right and i think we’re ok. Lees playing well? Not in the games I've been watchinng. Been at fault for a few goals and looks uncomfortable on the ball. |
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Post by johntheterrier on Oct 21, 2022 19:36:05 GMT 1
It’ll be a littered with answers like we’ve trained well, I’m not here to be the players friends, we were unlucky on Tuesday and Saturday, we look good in training, why he stays on the pitch at halftime, he only wants players in the match day squad who put in 5 full days of training, we’re not far off being a good team, fine margins between winning and losing, we create lots of chances at set pieces, we’ve been on the training ground this week and improved our play in the final third and at set pieces at the back and he’ll mention that the town fans are brilliant and want to see a hard working team which he is building towards. Perfect, thanks, I won't bother listening to the actual presser now. 😜👍 |
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Post by ACW on Oct 21, 2022 19:37:14 GMT 1
I think its a stretch to say anybody is playing well at the moment. Duane Holmes probably could claim that and he'd have a decent case. The rest are having decent moments in games but some dreadful moments too. There is a reason why we're bottom and it doesn't usually correlate with players playing well Duane has been playing well. Along with Sorba, he is the only one who looks like he can make something happen from an attacking point of view. Unfortunately the players around him aren't playing well enough to take advantage. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 21, 2022 19:40:22 GMT 1
I thought we had some good passages of play against Preston, but I was frustrated in the way we persisted with Thomas putting cross after cross in from the right side, but nothing came from them. Either we don't have the right players who can get on them, or the crosses, although they look good are to nobody in particular. It clearly wasn't paying any dividends, but we did not change that at all. That's a regular feature of Thomas' game. Whilst our strikers aren't guilt free, Erling Haarland would struggle to get on the end of some of Thomas' crosses from open play. |
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Post by ACW on Oct 21, 2022 19:49:32 GMT 1
I thought we had some good passages of play against Preston, but I was frustrated in the way we persisted with Thomas putting cross after cross in from the right side, but nothing came from them. Either we don't have the right players who can get on them, or the crosses, although they look good are to nobody in particular. It clearly wasn't paying any dividends, but we did not change that at all. That's a regular feature of Thomas' game. Whilst our strikers aren't guilt free, Erling Haarland would struggle to get on the end of some of Thomas' crosses from open play. It seems harsh to criticise Sorba's crosses considering the amount of goals he creates, but I wish he would vary his deliveries a bit more. He seems to think, or be told, to cross high whenever he gets the ball, from wherever he is in the opponent's half of the pitch. I'd like to see some low crosses, cut backs, etc. to go with the longer, higher crosses. And I'd like to see him look to pass and move more often when the cross isn't on. He often attempts a cross (which is usually blocked) when it simply isn't possible. He has been playing far better lately, but he needs to vary his crosses in open play and be a bit cuter when the crossing option is not on. |
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Post by ldr on Oct 21, 2022 19:52:47 GMT 1
I thought we had some good passages of play against Preston, but I was frustrated in the way we persisted with Thomas putting cross after cross in from the right side, but nothing came from them. Either we don't have the right players who can get on them, or the crosses, although they look good are to nobody in particular. It clearly wasn't paying any dividends, but we did not change that at all. That's a regular feature of Thomas' game. Whilst our strikers aren't guilt free, Erling Haarland would struggle to get on the end of some of Thomas' crosses from open play. Yes, Haarland would definitely struggle especially as he will have to start his run at the Etihad and get on the end of a cross at the John Smiths. He would also have to find time for changing his shirt. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 21, 2022 19:56:45 GMT 1
I think its a stretch to say anybody is playing well at the moment. Duane Holmes probably could claim that and he'd have a decent case. The rest are having decent moments in games but some dreadful moments too. There is a reason why we're bottom and it doesn't usually correlate with players playing well Duane has been playing well. Along with Sorba, he is the only one who looks like he can make something happen from an attacking point of view. Unfortunately the players around him aren't playing well enough to take advantage. Thomas is bang average. How can a championship footballer not know what to do when a ball is played in to his feet with his back to play. He just tries to do a stupid flick with the outside of his foot like an under 15s player would. It comes off once every 10 attempts. The odd good run and cross does not mean he is playing well. Its 88 minutes of nothing and 2 minutes of decent play. As I keep saying, it's his set pieces which make him a championship player. |
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Post by space hardware on Oct 21, 2022 19:58:44 GMT 1
I can't watch it. I managed 1 minute and 52 seconds. I can't watch him at all 😁 |
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Post by ACW on Oct 21, 2022 20:04:36 GMT 1
Duane has been playing well. Along with Sorba, he is the only one who looks like he can make something happen from an attacking point of view. Unfortunately the players around him aren't playing well enough to take advantage. Thomas is bang average. How can a championship footballer not know what to do when a ball is played in to his feet with his back to play. He just tries to do a stupid flick with the outside of his foot like an under 15s player would. It comes off once every 10 attempts. The odd good run and cross does not mean he is playing well. Its 88 minutes of nothing and 2 minutes of decent play. As I keep saying, it's his set pieces which make him a championship player. Yet, he is still the only one who regularly creates goals for us. Which was my point. See my previous post about him. I also have reservations about his performances, particularly in open play. |
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Post by softboy on Oct 21, 2022 20:06:11 GMT 1
I think his main problem is he is so keen to answer the question he says what he is thinking rather than pause and give the answer that people want to hear!
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Post by offsideclyde on Oct 21, 2022 20:14:36 GMT 1
If Thomas is bang average we are really screwed.
He is easily our best player.
We would be cut adrift already without him
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Post by softboy on Oct 21, 2022 20:18:18 GMT 1
Cannot give players any credit on here so you need to stop now.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 21, 2022 20:33:19 GMT 1
If Thomas is bang average we are really screwed. He is easily our best player. We would be cut adrift already without him The stats back up my point. He has 6 assists this season, only 1 is from open play. He has to play purely because our best chance of scoring is from one of his corners. In open play, he is not a top end championship player. So many areas of his game are really weak. |
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Post by harris on Oct 21, 2022 20:37:55 GMT 1
If Thomas is bang average we are really screwed. He is easily our best player. We would be cut adrift already without him The stats back up my point. He has 6 assists this season, only 1 is from open play. He has to play purely because our best chance of scoring is from one of his corners. In open play, he is not a top end championship player. So many areas of his game are really weak. This wasn’t the case last season He was outstanding at beating his man, getting out of tight spots, bagging a few goals and of course his deliveries from set pieces and open play. He’s low on confidence this season, but showed last year he is top end. Put him in that Watford side and he smashes it |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 21, 2022 20:46:10 GMT 1
The stats back up my point. He has 6 assists this season, only 1 is from open play. He has to play purely because our best chance of scoring is from one of his corners. In open play, he is not a top end championship player. So many areas of his game are really weak. This wasn’t the case last season He was outstanding at beating his man, getting out of tight spots, bagging a few goals and of course his deliveries from set pieces and open play. He’s low on confidence this season, but showed last year he is top end. Put him in that Watford side and he smashes it He got 3 goals and 12 assists last season. I'm pretty sure 75% of those were from set pieces For a side finishing third, 3 goals and lets say 3 assists from open play is hardly amazing. Watford probably wouldn't sacrifice their general play to have a great set piece taker starting |
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Post by King Curtis on Oct 21, 2022 20:46:56 GMT 1
His accent is fucked up.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 21, 2022 21:01:11 GMT 1
The other thing about assists is it can paint a false picture. A player picks the ball up, beats 3 men, squares it pefectly for the striker to tap in goes down as an assist in the same way that Tino smashing it in top corner from 25 yards after Thomas passed it to him does
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 21, 2022 21:08:44 GMT 1
You can't say we gifted them 3 goals while ignoring they gifted us three. 2 own goals and a daft penalty. We did ok but Luton were by far the better side. Hull were the better side for the opening 25 mins. Gifted us a goal and they then fell apart. We controlled the game quite well to be fair. All the other games have been dire and we looked every bit relegation material in them Thought we were ok against Rotherham and Preston first half personally. I seem to be in the minority though. It wasn't consistently good throughout, but I thought Preston 1st half is close to the best we've played so far this season. (aided and abetted by an out of position Turton and young Jackson being better than a Japanese international has appeared in either berth - it felt much more aggressive and positive down that flank despite the obvious struggles) It felt like we just needed a bit of livening up to do something different coming out for the second half...the bench was limited but I think Ward off with Mahoney or Rudoni on would have enabled us to create a better attacking shape. |
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Post by harris on Oct 21, 2022 21:37:11 GMT 1
This wasn’t the case last season He was outstanding at beating his man, getting out of tight spots, bagging a few goals and of course his deliveries from set pieces and open play. He’s low on confidence this season, but showed last year he is top end. Put him in that Watford side and he smashes it He got 3 goals and 12 assists last season. I'm pretty sure 75% of those were from set pieces For a side finishing third, 3 goals and lets say 3 assists from open play is hardly amazing. Watford probably wouldn't sacrifice their general play to have a great set piece taker starting Did Thomas genuinely not get you off your seat last season? Must’ve been watching a different player to me |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 21, 2022 21:42:39 GMT 1
This wasn’t the case last season He was outstanding at beating his man, getting out of tight spots, bagging a few goals and of course his deliveries from set pieces and open play. He’s low on confidence this season, but showed last year he is top end. Put him in that Watford side and he smashes it He got 3 goals and 12 assists last season. I'm pretty sure 75% of those were from set pieces For a side finishing third, 3 goals and lets say 3 assists from open play is hardly amazing. Watford probably wouldn't sacrifice their general play to have a great set piece taker starting He cannot play if he has responsibilities. Let him be a floating number 10 and ask him to do what he likes doing, mooching about picking up the ball and running with or flicking it off, taking set pieces. Truth is we need the opposition to see him as a threat all the time and not a weakness when they have the ball. He is more use to us up the pitch when they have the ball than him being back and losing a man or getting caught near the box trying something fancy. Strengths not weaknesses if he has to start. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 21, 2022 21:52:33 GMT 1
He got 3 goals and 12 assists last season. I'm pretty sure 75% of those were from set pieces For a side finishing third, 3 goals and lets say 3 assists from open play is hardly amazing. Watford probably wouldn't sacrifice their general play to have a great set piece taker starting Did Thomas genuinely not get you off your seat last season? Must’ve been watching a different player to me I'm sure he did occassionally but he's not really that type of player. When do you ever see Thomas run at a man and go past him? It's usually push it by and hope to get the cross in. It's not like watching RVLP skin 3 players within 10 seconds. Granted he would then cross it to no one |
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Post by harris on Oct 21, 2022 21:53:52 GMT 1
Did Thomas genuinely not get you off your seat last season? Must’ve been watching a different player to me I'm sure he did occassionally but he's not really that type of player. When do you ever see Thomas run at a man and go past him? It's usually push it by and hope to get the cross in. It's not like watching RVLP skin 3 players within 10 seconds. Granted he would then cross it to no one last couple of mins of this, just some examples of him gliding past players |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 21, 2022 22:07:21 GMT 1
How come since Fotheringham came in have any of the players not getting regular minutes have not appeared in the B team either?
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Post by mrbluesky on Oct 21, 2022 22:52:21 GMT 1
Thought we were ok against Rotherham and Preston first half personally. I seem to be in the minority though. It wasn't consistently good throughout, but I thought Preston 1st half is close to the best we've played so far this season. (aided and abetted by an out of position Turton and young Jackson being better than a Japanese international has appeared in either berth - it felt much more aggressive and positive down that flank despite the obvious struggles) It felt like we just needed a bit of livening up to do something different coming out for the second half...the bench was limited but I think Ward off with Mahoney or Rudoni on would have enabled us to create a better attacking shape. So rather than go through the first 45minutes highlighting what is working for us and what’s not fotheringham chose to watch Rudhoni and the substitutes warming up and sign a few autographs . maybe he might do the run around the sweeping brush challenge with Rambo next home game rather than take the coaches responsibility for addressing the game currently being played. |
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Post by faffa on Oct 21, 2022 23:21:48 GMT 1
I think its a stretch to say anybody is playing well at the moment. Duane Holmes probably could claim that and he'd have a decent case. The rest are having decent moments in games but some dreadful moments too. There is a reason why we're bottom and it doesn't usually correlate with players playing well Duane has been playing well. Along with Sorba, he is the only one who looks like he can make something happen from an attacking point of view. Unfortunately the players around him aren't playing well enough to take advantage. If Holmes is standing out as one of our better players it clearly shows the standard we are at. Always liked his effort but should be no more than a squad player if we hope to be successful. He has the easiest role in the team with no responsibility other than to close down or create chances. Unfortunately we need somebody of better quality in that role. He has no assists and no goals!! I genuinely think Ward could play that role and achieve just the same. I like the guy but we need to be aiming for better in that crucial position. |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 21, 2022 23:24:42 GMT 1
Duane has been playing well. Along with Sorba, he is the only one who looks like he can make something happen from an attacking point of view. Unfortunately the players around him aren't playing well enough to take advantage. If Holmes is standing out as one of our better players it clearly shows the standard we are at. Always liked his effort but should be no more than a squad player if we hope to be successful. He has the easiest role in the team with no responsibility other than to close down or create chances. Unfortunately we need somebody of better quality in that role. He has no assists and no goals!! I genuinely think Ward could play that role and achieve just the same. I like the guy but we need to be aiming for better in that crucial position. We need an entirely new central midfield and a better striker. Do that and we may scrape 4th bottom |
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Post by impact on Oct 21, 2022 23:42:39 GMT 1
If Thomas is bang average we are really screwed. He is easily our best player. We would be cut adrift already without him The stats back up my point. He has 6 assists this season, only 1 is from open play. He has to play purely because our best chance of scoring is from one of his corners. In open play, he is not a top end championship player. So many areas of his game are really weak. Mainly because we've missed 3 total sitters from his crosses from open play off the top of my head - Rhodes, Lees and Turton. He has the 3rd highest expected assists in the league, and corners in general are a low value for these. He's creating chances. It's hardly his fault we keep fucking them up. |
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