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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 13, 2023 19:01:03 GMT 1
The good thing about the Paddy Power sponsorship was that after the Rochdale friendly debacle, we went back to the good old days of no sponsorship logo on the front of the shirts. Shirts look crap without a sponsor, in my opinion. I'm the opposite. I'd never buy one with a sponsor's logo on it. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 13, 2023 19:13:59 GMT 1
I’m surprised that Sean Jarvis doesn’t get much of a mention these days. In my opinion, he’s exactly the man we need, after the ownership issues are resolved. The perfect link between the Board and the supporters. I’m sure that he could restore some of the damage. I know he’s at Leicestershire but maybe could be persuaded to return? Just a question here, why do we always have to look backwards? Need a new manager? Bring Wagner back. Need some new players? Bring XYZ former player back. Need some new commercial staff? Bring back Sean Jarvis. Why can't we just move on and find the best people for the job instead of constantly harking back to the past? It’s a very good question. My answer in this case is that for an off field appointment , one that is responsible for commercial matters and fan engagement, it’s surely a bonus if that person has already forged a bond with the fan base. I’d agree with you broadly when considering players . |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 13, 2023 19:14:50 GMT 1
I would say around 9k season ticket holders will renew under current circumstances, only boosted due to it being the last season of the price freeze for £249 tickets. That won't be honoured if we go into administration. Was wondering about that, myself |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 13, 2023 19:15:50 GMT 1
That won't be honoured if we go into administration. Even if we avoid administration would the new owners have to honour it? I mean it’d be a pretty difficult sell to come in and bump ST prices up after a relegation, but they may feel they need to do that for the club to be sustainable. Davy wouldn't honour the bond scheme last time round |
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Post by Sio on Mar 13, 2023 19:24:05 GMT 1
Just a question here, why do we always have to look backwards? Need a new manager? Bring Wagner back. Need some new players? Bring XYZ former player back. Need some new commercial staff? Bring back Sean Jarvis. Why can't we just move on and find the best people for the job instead of constantly harking back to the past? It’s a very good question. My answer in this case is that for an off field appointment , one that is responsible for commercial matters and fan engagement, it’s surely a bonus if that person has already forged a bond with the fan base. I’d agree with you broadly when considering players . But what legacy in terms of our brand and marketing, if you will, did we build under Jarvis in our more successful years? Granted he was probably constrained heavily by budget as I understand Hoyle never wanted to prioritise marketing, but we got to the PL and still ended up as a bit of a no-mark entity. I'd take Jarvis in a commercial role in terms of building connections and sponsors (despite the PP stunt) but we definitely need a total refresh with our branding - ideally with some financial injection. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Mar 13, 2023 19:27:30 GMT 1
I like the idea of this bloke from AZ coming in. Clean break, new ideas. Could easily be marketed in a way that'd get weary fans on board- a bit of a mention of total football and an orange away kit and jobs a good un. It could be very interesting. Someone who actually has a track record of success BEFORE they get here would be novel at Town. But it just depends on the size of the budget we’d be working too, getting out of League 1 will be more expensive than standing still in the Championship due to the lack of TV revenue. What makes you sure they'd want to get out of league one? |
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Post by terrierforever on Mar 13, 2023 19:33:30 GMT 1
It could be very interesting. Someone who actually has a track record of success BEFORE they get here would be novel at Town. But it just depends on the size of the budget we’d be working too, getting out of League 1 will be more expensive than standing still in the Championship due to the lack of TV revenue. What makes you sure they'd want to get out of league one? Well I'd like to think whoever takes over has ambition for us as a football club, why would they want to stay in League One? Not quite sure what you are getting at Maynardblue. Can you indicate who you believe to be in the driving seat out of the interested parties? |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Mar 13, 2023 19:37:22 GMT 1
What makes you sure they'd want to get out of league one? Well I'd like to think whoever takes over has ambition for us as a football club, why would they want to stay in League One? Not quite sure what you are getting at Maynardblue. Can you indicate who you believe to be in the driving seat out of the interested parties? I think the intimation may be that AZ would be the main club and we’d be a feeder club to them. Therefore we would receive investment but it’s not going to be all in for us. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 13, 2023 19:37:32 GMT 1
It could be very interesting. Someone who actually has a track record of success BEFORE they get here would be novel at Town. But it just depends on the size of the budget we’d be working too, getting out of League 1 will be more expensive than standing still in the Championship due to the lack of TV revenue. What makes you sure they'd want to get out of league one? What would be the reason, for them to buy us for us to stay in league 1 losing money? |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 13, 2023 19:39:11 GMT 1
It could be very interesting. Someone who actually has a track record of success BEFORE they get here would be novel at Town. But it just depends on the size of the budget we’d be working too, getting out of League 1 will be more expensive than standing still in the Championship due to the lack of TV revenue. What makes you sure they'd want to get out of league one? The one commodity that drives pretty much everything. |
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Post by terrierforever on Mar 13, 2023 19:39:34 GMT 1
Well I'd like to think whoever takes over has ambition for us as a football club, why would they want to stay in League One? Not quite sure what you are getting at Maynardblue. Can you indicate who you believe to be in the driving seat out of the interested parties? I think the intimation may be that AZ would be the main club and we’d be a feeder club to them. Therefore we would receive investment but it’s not going to be all in for us. If that's the case get the American's in because that isn't ambition. If it's to replicate AZ success fair enough. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Mar 13, 2023 19:44:20 GMT 1
It could be very interesting. Someone who actually has a track record of success BEFORE they get here would be novel at Town. But it just depends on the size of the budget we’d be working too, getting out of League 1 will be more expensive than standing still in the Championship due to the lack of TV revenue. What makes you sure they'd want to get out of league one? Yeah, that isn’t going to work then. A feeder club rooted in the third tier will have no one watching it. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 13, 2023 19:48:16 GMT 1
I thought Hoyle wanted the best for the club? these guys using us as a feeder club is not the best is it ?
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Post by Melc on Mar 13, 2023 20:01:03 GMT 1
What makes you sure they'd want to get out of league one? Well I'd like to think whoever takes over has ambition for us as a football club, why would they want to stay in League One? Not quite sure what you are getting at Maynardblue. Can you indicate who you believe to be in the driving seat out of the interested parties? Maybe the fact they don’t spend much money and sell players for big profi after years of development. Have you seen the state of our squad… not going to make two buttons with that lot. They look like a setup that could take years to develop, let alone we don’t even have an academy anymore! Not the right fit for us I feel at this time, investment is needed to sort this club out from top to bottom. |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Mar 13, 2023 20:04:10 GMT 1
This ain't gonna happen. Sounds too good to be true. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 13, 2023 20:07:48 GMT 1
This ain't gonna happen. Sounds too good to be true. Why is this too good to be true? they will use us as a feeder club? |
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Post by Maynardblue on Mar 13, 2023 20:14:51 GMT 1
I'm not saying they don't want promotion I'm just saying don't assume it's the main motivation for all interested parties with us being in league one.
The only way we'd be sustainable as a club is by developing players and selling them for good profit. Promotion is not essential for that. Low wage bills are more acceptable in league one.
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Post by Sio on Mar 13, 2023 20:33:45 GMT 1
I'm not saying they don't want promotion I'm just saying don't assume it's the main motivation for all interested parties with us being in league one. The only way we'd be sustainable as a club is by developing players and selling them for good profit. Promotion is not essential for that. Low wage bills are more acceptable in league one. Essentially they all want the Hoyle model then, rather than ambition to actually do anything with the club? |
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Post by jqhtfc on Mar 13, 2023 20:38:14 GMT 1
I'm not saying they don't want promotion I'm just saying don't assume it's the main motivation for all interested parties with us being in league one. The only way we'd be sustainable as a club is by developing players and selling them for good profit. Promotion is not essential for that. Low wage bills are more acceptable in league one. Essentially they all want the Hoyle model then, rather than ambition to actually do anything with the club? Not sure Maynard means "all" as in they all want to do that more that some may have different priorities to other. |
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Post by dezzly on Mar 13, 2023 20:39:14 GMT 1
I'm not saying they don't want promotion I'm just saying don't assume it's the main motivation for all interested parties with us being in league one. The only way we'd be sustainable as a club is by developing players and selling them for good profit. Promotion is not essential for that. Low wage bills are more acceptable in league one. I wonder if the Americans have more ambition for the club as a whole.Playing wise and all other aspects,that doesnt necessarily mean it’s just a shiny toy they may get bored of like iv seen some suggest. The sustainable model on the flip side has its plus sides too but maybe we should be looking to be something more than that and if the opportunity is there i wouldn’t want us to give up that opportunity. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Mar 13, 2023 20:47:26 GMT 1
A bit of healthy scepticism is fine, but immediately assuming the worst intentions of prospective owners isn't a good thing for anyone's health. Especially if they have a track record of rescuing clubs from administration and running in a sensible and self-sustaining way.
That said, there aren't many scarier things in the world than ambitious American billionaires!
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Post by ambryboy on Mar 13, 2023 20:56:41 GMT 1
Great, so we've gone through all of this to become some Dutch nonentity's feeder club. Hoyle really has screwed us up.
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Post by hoggy1975 on Mar 13, 2023 21:10:00 GMT 1
Would be better to develop players in the championship and sell for profit, if some of those proceeds are reinvested. I can imagine with a strong scouting network (which I'm assuming the dutch will have) we would have a better chance of developing and selling on.
Plus higher fees for players who have potential in the championship.
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Post by tepidterrier on Mar 13, 2023 21:23:42 GMT 1
Great, so we've gone through all of this to become some Dutch nonentity's feeder club. Hoyle really have screwed us up. are Notts Forest Olympiacos' feeder club? What about Midtjylland? They became far more successful after the bloke from Brentford bought them. Watford have seen a lot more success since becoming Udinese's feeder club, however many managers they have |
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 13, 2023 21:32:46 GMT 1
I'm not saying they don't want promotion I'm just saying don't assume it's the main motivation for all interested parties with us being in league one. The only way we'd be sustainable as a club is by developing players and selling them for good profit. Promotion is not essential for that. Low wage bills are more acceptable in league one. I wonder if the Americans have more ambition for the club as a whole.Playing wise and all other aspects,that doesnt necessarily mean it’s just a shiny toy they may get bored of like iv seen some suggest. The sustainable model on the flip side has its plus sides too but maybe we should be looking to be something more than that and if the opportunity is there i wouldn’t want us to give up that opportunity. As someone said, Hoyle will sell to the buyer that makes him look better! |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Mar 13, 2023 22:08:33 GMT 1
I'm not saying they don't want promotion I'm just saying don't assume it's the main motivation for all interested parties with us being in league one. The only way we'd be sustainable as a club is by developing players and selling them for good profit. Promotion is not essential for that. Low wage bills are more acceptable in league one. Reading between the lines. If AZ party were to take us over, we'd be steady eddies in league one. Model based around profiting from young players/developing some. Essentially what we've tried to do for the last decade. With some league one top half finishes, but being a sustainable football club. If we get promoted, then great. But sustainable model primary focus. or Risking it with a potential US Consortium. Maybe whom would have a bit more ambition, and attempt to run the club similar to a franchise club like US teams. But, maybe wanting and demanding a return on their investment. If that is the case (Unless i'm completely wrong in reading between the lines of course). We've tried option 1, hasn't really succeeded. Having lived in the states for 7+ years now. I know which one I'd be choosing. I want my football to be existing, BUT... I want us to aspire towards something. If winning didn't matter then why keep score? Why have leagues? Promotions, Relegations etc? Is it more expensive? Yes. Is the model based predominantly on making profit through all avenues (tickets, merchandise, F&B etc) therefore we become a consumer? Yes Football is changing, the top clubs in the prem will all be ran like US sport franchises within next decade, some already are. But, you don't see many broke sports teams. So US consortium for me. |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 13, 2023 22:12:33 GMT 1
I think the intimation may be that AZ would be the main club and we’d be a feeder club to them. Therefore we would receive investment but it’s not going to be all in for us. If that's the case get the American's in because that isn't ambition. If it's to replicate AZ success fair enough. The Az model will be a pyramid, with us sat at the bottom. Be very wary, it’s not going to be town as a priority. As has already been said, we will become a feeder club. I don’t see Az having a plan for us beyond the first and youth team. The American mob to me look far better suited to us and for us they’ll be a far greater fit. |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Mar 13, 2023 22:15:11 GMT 1
This ain't gonna happen. Sounds too good to be true. Why is this too good to be true? they will use us as a feeder club? What we gonna feed them? One Lewis O Brien every five years? Surely they’d be taken us over to try and rinse them he Premier League gravy train. Must be worth millions becoming a Norwich / Burnley. |
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Post by Sio on Mar 13, 2023 22:16:39 GMT 1
Why is this too good to be true? they will use us as a feeder club? What we gonna feed them? One Lewis O Brien every five years? Surely they’d be taken us over to try and rinse them he Premier League gravy train. Must be worth millions becoming a Norwich / Burnley. They'll feed us their youth, presumably. |
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Post by CurlyWurly on Mar 13, 2023 22:17:21 GMT 1
Love the difference of opinion in this thread without name calling.
I was firmly in the AZ camp but having read some other thoughts I'm now not as sure.
Seems to come down how risky you think the Americans are compared to the potential success.
It's very typical of Town to have two options which are the total opposite.
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