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Post by Porrohman on Oct 9, 2023 21:46:00 GMT 1
While I'm on your side in this argument, generally, has it worked fine for 30 years. KDSL are going bust and the stadium needs millions spending on it 🤷 When has that stadium ever made any money? That was partly my point. It's never made money, the company running it is going bust and it needs millions spending on it. That's not any definition of it working fine. As I say I'm not disagreeing with what you've said about it being owned by an individual though |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 9, 2023 21:46:42 GMT 1
Or maybe I should just follow the leader and kiss the owner's arse and then everyone would leave me alone. Seriously you do make a rod for your own back. You contradict your own posts for starters! Do you like the stadium losing money every year and losing the football club money? Yeah I like the stadium losing money every year and losing the football club money. You've got it one. I don't actually support Huddersfield Town, I'm just pretending. I want us to fail because I'm not really a Town fan. I just spend all my time either watching them, talking about them, reading about them and writing about them. All because I'm just pretending to be a fan. Fucking shoot me. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 9, 2023 21:48:32 GMT 1
But you are contradicting yourself. He is clearly trying to do something by purchasing the stadium yet you are jumping on his back over it? KN has been here a few months, he is a strategic leader. Do you think strategies bear fruit over night? Patience is required. I'm not jumping on his fucking back, I'm just saying I'm uneasy at the prospect of one man owning our ground. Having seen what's happened with other clubs in the last few years regarding their stadiums being owned by someone holding them to ransom, or even evicting clubs, I'm being cautious. Stop putting words in my mouth, stop telling me what I'm thinking and actually read what I've said. That's the thing on here, if you don't follow the majority everyone just wants to have a go at you without actually reading what you're saying. It is alright for you to have your opinions on Warnock. But anyone with a positive opinion on Nagle is 'sucking his cock'. The question has been asked numerous times to you, what has he done wrong to warrant the abuse? Your reply is always the same ' what has he done right?' That isn't answering the question. He may not have done much right, but he hasn't done anything wrong. So to be getting abuse is absolutely moronic. Surely him owning the stadium is fantastic for the club. More chance of you all getting these unrealistic players. |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 9, 2023 21:51:42 GMT 1
I'm not jumping on his fucking back, I'm just saying I'm uneasy at the prospect of one man owning our ground. Having seen what's happened with other clubs in the last few years regarding their stadiums being owned by someone holding them to ransom, or even evicting clubs, I'm being cautious. Stop putting words in my mouth, stop telling me what I'm thinking and actually read what I've said. That's the thing on here, if you don't follow the majority everyone just wants to have a go at you without actually reading what you're saying. It is alright for you to have your opinions on Warnock. But anyone with a positive opinion on Nagle is 'sucking his cock'. The question has been asked numerous times to you, what has he done wrong to warrant the abuse? Your reply is always the same ' what has he done right?' That isn't answering the question. He may not have done much right, but he hasn't done anything wrong. So to be getting abuse is absolutely moronic. Surely him owning the stadium is fantastic for the club. More chance of you all getting these unrealistic players. I don't condone any abuse towards Nagle, never have, never will. No doubt you'll come up with some clever reply and putting words in my mouth like the fucking rest of them and accusing me of hating him and condoning the abuse he gets, even though I've said before the abuse he gets is ridiculous. It's pretty obvious that people are just jumping on me because I don't share the same opinions on our owner as you and the rest do. I'm sick of having to explain myself and constantly fight back against everyone jumping on me. What have I actually done wrong here? |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 9, 2023 22:20:23 GMT 1
It is alright for you to have your opinions on Warnock. But anyone with a positive opinion on Nagle is 'sucking his cock'. The question has been asked numerous times to you, what has he done wrong to warrant the abuse? Your reply is always the same ' what has he done right?' That isn't answering the question. He may not have done much right, but he hasn't done anything wrong. So to be getting abuse is absolutely moronic. Surely him owning the stadium is fantastic for the club. More chance of you all getting these unrealistic players. I don't condone any abuse towards Nagle, never have, never will. No doubt you'll come up with some clever reply and putting words in my mouth like the fucking rest of them and accusing me of hating him and condoning the abuse he gets, even though I've said before the abuse he gets is ridiculous. It's pretty obvious that people are just jumping on me because I don't share the same opinions on our owner as you and the rest do. I'm sick of having to explain myself and constantly fight back against everyone jumping on me. What have I actually done wrong here? The hysterics that resonate through your posts are embarrassing. Maybe take a chill pill, it can't be healthy being so on edge all the time. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 10, 2023 1:45:16 GMT 1
Brilliant podcast from Matt and the lads addressing the decline of the town and the stadium situation. The last half hour, particularly interesting.
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Oct 10, 2023 7:08:24 GMT 1
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Post by Tiro on Oct 10, 2023 7:08:24 GMT 1
Can I remind Barry that Kirklees council have contributed the total sum of fuck-all to the necessary maintenance and upgrades and have vacated their own premises which were there to support their function because they couldn’t afford it. All the while, HTAFC have been bankrolling all three parties. May we also remind Barry that that the near bankrupt council, indebted to near £50m, would require public monies, our monies, which are better ring fenced to deal with the all the other, primary, shit in the town that everyone needs. This private ownership, and those before it, albeit via Huddersfield’s greatest social asset HTAFC, would indeed keep and enhance the stadium to a level better than it is now. Not allow it to rot whilst pursuing some social dream. The only beneficiaries here are a corrupt and negligent entity, run by people with nil qualifications for the roles and with large pay checks, who have sapped and spaffed the proceeds external to the stadium for their own gains for decades. Read my recent contribution and explain to me how we got from something that was so positive in the 1990s to the position you describe. Local councils were funded by central government to the tune of £34bn a year in 2010 and now it's £8bn. Increased Council Tax has helped to mitigate the loss of government support and has kept councils' revenue budgets at about half of what they were in 2010. They have no revenue (as opposed to capital) spending left to waste. Anyone who has any understanding of how local government is financed realises who the villains of the piece are - this government, which is certainly more corrupt and negligent than Kirklees Council could ever be. So Kirklees shouldn’t sell then? At a time when they / we need the cash? And despite the cuts (which I haven’t argued, I’m focusing on Barry’s statement), they’re not guilty of incompetence, negligence and corruption? I know for a fact they are and I’m willing to outline this in private - if we both have enough time to cover the rap sheet. My point is Barry and Co can’t have their cake and eat it. And it is no longer a priority asset and even at its peak, they didn’t use it to its potential and/or invest the monies they agreed to. HTAFC have bankrolled the Kirklees and Ken Davy far too long. So don’t cut your [sic] nose off to spite your face. And don’t publicly piss off the community and one of its biggest enterprises further by doing it. Nagle spells it out plainly and accurately. And DH knew this long before. |
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Oct 10, 2023 7:15:50 GMT 1
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Post by castlehillterrier on Oct 10, 2023 7:15:50 GMT 1
Stadium will be sorted and it should be good for all, the Kirklees part is all agreed.
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Oct 10, 2023 7:19:33 GMT 1
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Post by Tiro on Oct 10, 2023 7:19:33 GMT 1
Can I remind Barry that Kirklees council have contributed the total sum of fuck-all to the necessary maintenance and upgrades and have vacated their own premises which were there to support their function because they couldn’t afford it. All the while, HTAFC have been bankrolling all three parties. May we also remind Barry that that the near bankrupt council, indebted to near £50m, would require public monies, our monies, which are better ring fenced to deal with the all the other, primary, shit in the town that everyone needs. This private ownership, and those before it, albeit via Huddersfield’s greatest social asset HTAFC, would indeed keep and enhance the stadium to a level better than it is now. Not allow it to rot whilst pursuing some social dream. The only beneficiaries here are a corrupt and negligent entity, run by people with nil qualifications for the roles and with large pay checks, who have sapped and spaffed the proceeds external to the stadium for their own gains for decades. Kirklees did put £250,000 in when we couldn't afford the rent in 2003. ….loaned. To themselves. Because they realise that without HTAFC, there’s no need for the stadium. And got it back tenfold over time. Be interesting to know how much cash they’ve defaulted since 1994. |
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Oct 10, 2023 7:32:58 GMT 1
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Post by hoggy1975 on Oct 10, 2023 7:32:58 GMT 1
It is alright for you to have your opinions on Warnock. But anyone with a positive opinion on Nagle is 'sucking his cock'. The question has been asked numerous times to you, what has he done wrong to warrant the abuse? Your reply is always the same ' what has he done right?' That isn't answering the question. He may not have done much right, but he hasn't done anything wrong. So to be getting abuse is absolutely moronic. Surely him owning the stadium is fantastic for the club. More chance of you all getting these unrealistic players. I don't condone any abuse towards Nagle, never have, never will. No doubt you'll come up with some clever reply and putting words in my mouth like the fucking rest of them and accusing me of hating him and condoning the abuse he gets, even though I've said before the abuse he gets is ridiculous. It's pretty obvious that people are just jumping on me because I don't share the same opinions on our owner as you and the rest do. I'm sick of having to explain myself and constantly fight back against everyone jumping on me. What have I actually done wrong here? A lot on this board hold similar opinions to yours, however it’s just how you come across when you are debating/making your point that winds people up IMO. Your posting style comes cross quite confrontational and you are quick to get angry, which then brings on certain responses. Just my opinion mate. Rockwall seems to have the clear opposite viewpoint to you so he does usually respond to you, but he’s just on the other end of the debate. |
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Oct 10, 2023 8:27:46 GMT 1
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Post by Sio on Oct 10, 2023 8:27:46 GMT 1
Stadium will be sorted and it should be if it all, the Kirklees part is all agreed. Price? |
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Oct 10, 2023 8:32:02 GMT 1
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Oct 10, 2023 8:32:02 GMT 1
Stadium will be sorted and it should be if it all, the Kirklees part is all agreed. Price? Undisclosed no doubt. I wonder if the Giants would accept a buy out of their 20% and use that money to create their own stadium or develop an existing one such as RU stadium? |
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Post by detox on Oct 10, 2023 8:40:10 GMT 1
Stadium will be sorted and it should be if it all, the Kirklees part is all agreed. Does that mean the Giants bit hasn't yet been resolved ...I presume they have a say even if it's only a minority say. |
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Oct 10, 2023 8:41:21 GMT 1
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Oct 10, 2023 8:41:21 GMT 1
Would a better senario be Town own 80%,buy the council's 40%, and the Giants hold 20%?
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Post by detox on Oct 10, 2023 8:44:36 GMT 1
Would a better senario be Town own 80%,buy the council's 40%, and the Giants hold 20%? Thing about that is if KN is going to spaff out ÂŁ10m needed for 'repairs', he'd expect the Giants to chip in ÂŁ2m of that wouldn't he ? |
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Post by royrace on Oct 10, 2023 8:56:21 GMT 1
Would a better senario be Town own 80%,buy the council's 40%, and the Giants hold 20%? Thing about that is if KN is going to spaff out ÂŁ10m needed for 'repairs', he'd expect the Giants to chip in ÂŁ2m of that wouldn't he ? I keep hearing these exorbitant figures for the 'repair' bill, surely it can't be ÂŁ10M in 'repairs'. I guess they mean repairs/maintenance AND significant improvements/upgrades. |
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Post by detox on Oct 10, 2023 9:03:14 GMT 1
Thing about that is if KN is going to spaff out ÂŁ10m needed for 'repairs', he'd expect the Giants to chip in ÂŁ2m of that wouldn't he ? I keep hearing these exorbitant figures for the 'repair' bill, surely it can't be ÂŁ10M in 'repairs'. I guess they mean repairs/maintenance AND significant improvements/upgrades. yes you're correct about that, I said repairs in quotes to save key strokes but now have had to expend more key strokes to explain...false economy...  |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Oct 10, 2023 9:04:43 GMT 1
Would a better senario be Town own 80%,buy the council's 40%, and the Giants hold 20%? would be better with town owning 100%, with a lease agreed by the Giants. I am not convinced we will actually pay any or much money to purchase the stadium from Kirklees the only money we would look to pay is to own the land outright and Kirklees to have no involvement, they are losing money every month and need to invest heavily in the stadium some items that need doing soon could actually stop the stadium being allowed to be used if not fixed (this should be ok for this season but not a long time afterwards). The deal is now complicated more by the Gym and Pool situation, I think we really want 100% ownership of everything includung the land its built on. There is also talk of the Cinema complex possibly not been in great shape, would KN purchase this and the full plot of land around the stadium, full ownership of all of this could be very interesting for future devlopements. Giants having 20% of the stadium is not an issue (of the stadium only) as long as they pay 20% towards any essential work which I am not convinced they will. It is really not simple and there is a reason its taking so long, I am not conviced HTAFC can purchase 40% from Kirklees without the Giants approval for example. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 10, 2023 9:15:44 GMT 1
I keep hearing these exorbitant figures for the 'repair' bill, surely it can't be ÂŁ10M in 'repairs'. I guess they mean repairs/maintenance AND significant improvements/upgrades. , I said repairs in quotes to save key strokes but now have had to expend more key strokes to explain...false economy... Gee thanks! I thought I'd already done that for you  Not sure where the ÂŁ10M figure comes from but seems a bit disingenuous to me. I think we can soldier on a while longer with cold water in the bogs! Improvements and upgrades would be nice though especially if they bring ROI. I assume money spent on stadium works wouldn't count toward football club expenditure for the purposes of FFP but we would somehow be able to profit from an increase in sales etc. |
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Post by rooo on Oct 10, 2023 9:27:37 GMT 1
Looks like Kevin might face opposition in anything he tries to do. Bullshit Barry at it again! I was at the Town AGM when the new stadium proposal was made to the shareholders, and Barry had a very, very small part to play in it all. The main reason why it is a community asset is because Kirklees Council allowed HTAFC to buy the freehold of Leeds Road Ground (we had a 999 lease on it) to be able to sell to a property company for a reported ÂŁ10 million, so that they could build a retail park on it. The main instigators of the new stadium were (at the beginning), Keith Hanvey, George Binns and John Harman (Chief Executive of Kirklees Council). The land where the Stadium is was contaminated and couldn't be used for a lot of industries without a lot of 'cleaning' work being done; it was literally toxic land. When the Stadium was built, they had to bring in soil pasteurising ovens to clean all the soil. It is also the reason why the St Andrew's car park has an upper tier, as there are some 'nasties' underneath it! |
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Post by prepare on Oct 10, 2023 9:58:43 GMT 1
I keep hearing these exorbitant figures for the 'repair' bill, surely it can't be ÂŁ10M in 'repairs'. I guess they mean repairs/maintenance AND significant improvements/upgrades. yes you're correct about that, I said repairs in quotes to save key strokes but now have had to expend more key strokes to explain...false economy... the council report on the Huddersfield. Hubshows where we are |
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Oct 10, 2023 10:34:12 GMT 1
Post by townarentbest on Oct 10, 2023 10:34:12 GMT 1
Stadium will be sorted and it should be if it all, the Kirklees part is all agreed. Price? £5.75m for 40%. 🤷‍♂️why does the price matter?! |
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Post by Sio on Oct 10, 2023 10:44:35 GMT 1
£5.75m for 40%. 🤷‍♂️why does the price matter?! It doesn't, I'm just interested. |
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Oct 10, 2023 10:50:10 GMT 1
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 10, 2023 10:50:10 GMT 1
Looks like Kevin might face opposition in anything he tries to do. Bullshit Barry at it again! I was at the Town AGM when the new stadium proposal was made to the shareholders, and Barry had a very, very small part to play in it all. The main reason why it is a community asset is because Kirklees Council allowed HTAFC to buy the freehold of Leeds Road Ground (we had a 999 lease on it) to be able to sell to a property company for a reported ÂŁ10 million, so that they could build a retail park on it. The main instigators of the new stadium were (at the beginning), Keith Hanvey, George Binns and John Harman (Chief Executive of Kirklees Council). The land where the Stadium is was contaminated and couldn't be used for a lot of industries without a lot of 'cleaning' work being done; it was literally toxic land. When the Stadium was built, they had to bring in soil pasteurising ovens to clean all the soil. It is also the reason why the St Andrew's car park has an upper tier, as there are some 'nasties' underneath it! It was an old naphthalene plant I believe? |
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Post by detox on Oct 10, 2023 10:57:28 GMT 1
Bullshit Barry at it again! I was at the Town AGM when the new stadium proposal was made to the shareholders, and Barry had a very, very small part to play in it all. The main reason why it is a community asset is because Kirklees Council allowed HTAFC to buy the freehold of Leeds Road Ground (we had a 999 lease on it) to be able to sell to a property company for a reported ÂŁ10 million, so that they could build a retail park on it. The main instigators of the new stadium were (at the beginning), Keith Hanvey, George Binns and John Harman (Chief Executive of Kirklees Council). The land where the Stadium is was contaminated and couldn't be used for a lot of industries without a lot of 'cleaning' work being done; it was literally toxic land. When the Stadium was built, they had to bring in soil pasteurising ovens to clean all the soil. It is also the reason why the St Andrew's car park has an upper tier, as there are some 'nasties' underneath it! It was an old naphthalene plant I believe? Breathing fumes containing naphthalene, drinking solutions or swallowing solid naphthalene can cause nausea, vomiting, pain in the abdomen, diarrhoea, confusion, sweating, fever, fast heart rate, rapid breathing and may lead to convulsions, coma and possibly death..
Might explain some of the rabid posters on DATM ?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 10, 2023 11:02:40 GMT 1
Some good discussion on this.
Regarding this being a good deal for KMC, is it a case that they would offload an asset or a liability? (the land may be the only real asset if what we hear in here is half true)
Also, how would a deal be structured? Across a few years or a one-off transaction?
Regarding KN having 100% ownership, we’d have to see how that panned out in the long run. All we have right now is speculation that he’ll invest, but maybe ST prices and other things will have to rise to help with paying for that investment? How would such a deal work out when he inevitably sells up? I’ve never bought into that location becoming a thriving commercial entity, shopping/entertainment location on a 7d week basis. I can’t imagine there’s enough money in Huddersfield for an investor to look at a reasonably quick return on their investment.
Hopefully all will become clear later this week and the debates will start in earnest.
Anyway, as we all know, what’s important to sports fans is that the product from Town and the Giants is actually the most important thing. Get that right, and making it consistent and sustainable is the bigger challenge for both clubs.
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Oct 10, 2023 11:25:03 GMT 1
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Post by King Neil on Oct 10, 2023 11:25:03 GMT 1
Some good discussion on this. Regarding this being a good deal for KMC, is it a case that they would offload an asset or a liability? (the land may be the only real asset if what we hear in here is half true) Also, how would a deal be structured? Across a few years or a one-off transaction? Regarding KN having 100% ownership, we’d have to see how that panned out in the long run. All we have right now is speculation that he’ll invest, but maybe ST prices and other things will have to rise to help with paying for that investment? How would such a deal work out when he inevitably sells up? I’ve never bought into that location becoming a thriving commercial entity, shopping/entertainment location on a 7d week basis. I can’t imagine there’s enough money in Huddersfield for an investor to look at a reasonably quick return on their investment. Hopefully all will become clear later this week and the debates will start in earnest. Anyway, as we all know, what’s important to sports fans is that the product from Town and the Giants is actually the most important thing. Get that right, and making it consistent and sustainable is the bigger challenge for both clubs. It would be nice to have the option of getting rid of fartown and them ruining the pitch Right from the beginning they gained a lot from nothing...we sold Leeds Road and the land around it...prime Real Estate close to the Town centre yet they had a shithole of a ground in fartown yet got 20 percent of the new stadium They are like a parasite feeding off us...all the new seats and camera gantries were paid by Town |
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 10, 2023 11:29:32 GMT 1
Stadium will be sorted and it should be good for all, the Kirklees part is all agreed. Your posting style is very familiar. Are the admins sure this is not a returning poster under a different name (and is this still against forum rules?). My suspicion of previous incarnation is htafc35, I think was the poster's name. There was another one very similar too, kfg88, or something like that. Pound to a penny it's one of those two. Strong gut feeling it's the return of htafc35 though. Wingman overtonterrierspirit@keitham11532  |
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 10, 2023 11:31:41 GMT 1
Breathing fumes containing naphthalene, drinking solutions or swallowing solid naphthalene can cause nausea, vomiting, pain in the abdomen, diarrhoea, confusion, sweating, fever, fast heart rate, rapid breathing and may lead to convulsions, coma and possibly death.. [/div] Might explain some of the rabid posters on DATM ?
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Post by King Neil on Oct 10, 2023 11:38:55 GMT 1
I'm only going off memory here but I'm sure the stadium only cost 30 million to build by Alfred mcalpine
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