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Post by King Neil on Oct 10, 2023 11:42:20 GMT 1
A quick Google search says it cost 40 million to build back then and it's 72.8 million in todays money
Still cheap innit when you think a premium league player can cost double that
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Post by King Neil on Oct 10, 2023 11:52:10 GMT 1
Not sure of the legalities on this,,but we have had a live beam back at the stadium before the last time we were in league 2
Why couldn't we beam back every single away game to the stadium and have a large screen to view it on?
Charge entry and the club makes on beer sales and food etc and increases revenue
Also it would be great to watch away games with a few thousand other Town fans
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 12:14:26 GMT 1
Not sure of the legalities on this,,but we have had a live beam back at the stadium before the last time we were in league 2 Why couldn't we beam back every single away game to the stadium and have a large screen to view it on? Charge entry and the club makes on beer sales and food etc and increases revenue Also it would be great to watch away games with a few thousand other Town fans Non-starter. Every club would be doing it if they could. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Oct 10, 2023 12:24:34 GMT 1
Some good discussion on this. Regarding this being a good deal for KMC, is it a case that they would offload an asset or a liability? (the land may be the only real asset if what we hear in here is half true) Also, how would a deal be structured? Across a few years or a one-off transaction? Regarding KN having 100% ownership, we’d have to see how that panned out in the long run. All we have right now is speculation that he’ll invest, but maybe ST prices and other things will have to rise to help with paying for that investment? How would such a deal work out when he inevitably sells up? I’ve never bought into that location becoming a thriving commercial entity, shopping/entertainment location on a 7d week basis. I can’t imagine there’s enough money in Huddersfield for an investor to look at a reasonably quick return on their investment. Hopefully all will become clear later this week and the debates will start in earnest. Anyway, as we all know, what’s important to sports fans is that the product from Town and the Giants is actually the most important thing. Get that right, and making it consistent and sustainable is the bigger challenge for both clubs. It would be nice to have the option of getting rid of fartown and them ruining the pitch Is this a post from the 1990’s? The only thing wrong with the pitch these days is the performances we sometimes put in on it. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Oct 10, 2023 12:26:16 GMT 1
Having a mix of shareholders of one asset is never a straightforward set up, and Town always seem to get the raw end of the deal when it comes to the Stadium as we are the biggest entity and are generally the ones who want/need work to be done. If the other shareholders cant/wont assist with costs then Town either go without what's needed/wanted or pay for the work themselves.
IF Nagle is looking to buy the stadium and keep individual ownership, then I'm not sure that would sit right with me, the stadium should always belong to the Football Club IMO and it events elsewhere have highlighted what can go wrong if the situation changes in regard to the relationship between owner of the Club and its fans. Scunthorpe and Oxford being current highlighted cases.
Interestingly, Elland Road LTD (who is owned by former LUFC owner Andrea Radrizanni) has just published their accounts. The stadium was bought for £25m by Radrizanni , and charge Leeds £1.7m a year to play there (lease runs out in 2032) so he will just about make his money back by the time it ends, and then it will be interesting to see how it plays out. He could quite easily up the charges to a ridiculous amount leaving Leeds either forced to pay it, or play somewhere else.
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Post by alfredsterrier on Oct 10, 2023 12:37:54 GMT 1
I’m sorry if this is a stupid question but if KN buys the stadium is it automatically his or can’t he buy it and make it part of Huddersield Town AFC ? If and when he decides to sell the club the stadium is part of the deal?
I can see the advantage of the community owning it as it can’t be lost to the community if the club goes under but it has its advantages as Htafc actually has something tangible rather than just essentially a name and a group of players.
Whatever was the original plan clearly hasn’t worked or is working as the council can’t afford to keep up its obligations and the giants probably don’t have the capital to spend either.
It makes sense for Town to own the stadium even if it means any deal involves the giants getting a good deal.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 10, 2023 12:42:30 GMT 1
Some good discussion on this. Regarding this being a good deal for KMC, is it a case that they would offload an asset or a liability? (the land may be the only real asset if what we hear in here is half true) Also, how would a deal be structured? Across a few years or a one-off transaction? Regarding KN having 100% ownership, we’d have to see how that panned out in the long run. All we have right now is speculation that he’ll invest, but maybe ST prices and other things will have to rise to help with paying for that investment? How would such a deal work out when he inevitably sells up? I’ve never bought into that location becoming a thriving commercial entity, shopping/entertainment location on a 7d week basis. I can’t imagine there’s enough money in Huddersfield for an investor to look at a reasonably quick return on their investment. Hopefully all will become clear later this week and the debates will start in earnest. Anyway, as we all know, what’s important to sports fans is that the product from Town and the Giants is actually the most important thing. Get that right, and making it consistent and sustainable is the bigger challenge for both clubs. It would be nice to have the option of getting rid of fartown and them ruining the pitch Right from the beginning they gained a lot from nothing...we sold Leeds Road and the land around it...prime Real Estate close to the Town centre yet they had a shithole of a ground in fartown yet got 20 percent of the new stadium They are like a parasite feeding off us...all the new seats and camera gantries were paid by Town It may or may not be statistically proven, but rugby does less damage, because of the style of movement (forrads & back’ards), whereas football is much more dynamic and has studs going into the surface at all different angles. |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 10, 2023 12:44:16 GMT 1
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 10, 2023 12:46:09 GMT 1
Is the stadium an 'asset' in its current incarnation?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 10, 2023 12:46:15 GMT 1
Not sure of the legalities on this,,but we have had a live beam back at the stadium before the last time we were in league 2 Why couldn't we beam back every single away game to the stadium and have a large screen to view it on? Charge entry and the club makes on beer sales and food etc and increases revenue Also it would be great to watch away games with a few thousand other Town fans Non-starter. Every club would be doing it if they could. For the take up, this wouldn’t be worth the hassle it would cause. Not every Town fan lives and breathes the club when we play away from home. If you’re looking at any sort of thing like this, far better to do it on a smaller scale where you’re guaranteed to break even, or realise a small profit, plus you would need to guarantee an attendance as well. |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 10, 2023 12:56:53 GMT 1
Non-starter. Every club would be doing it if they could. For the take up, this wouldn’t be worth the hassle it would cause. Not every Town fan lives and breathes the club when we play away from home. If you’re looking at any sort of thing like this, far better to do it on a smaller scale where you’re guaranteed to break even, or realise a small profit, plus you would need to guarantee an attendance as well. I watch most away games at home on my mag box using a vpn router...but would prefer to watch it with fellow Town fans...I can't justify the cost nowadays of tickets plus travel and food It's the young guns duties to carry the torch now |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 10, 2023 13:34:56 GMT 1
Seems they want to retain ownership of the land though...WOW So we sold our home with all that land which we owned 100 percent for basically a lease...WOW again |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 10, 2023 13:46:24 GMT 1
Would anyone sell their house which they owned 100 percent and receive no money for it and then start renting a property??
Town would/did
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Post by runner76 on Oct 10, 2023 13:54:39 GMT 1
What is the situation with the most successful club / businesses in this division and the PL? Can we not just follow the structure of whatever the best clubs do?
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Post by King Neil on Oct 10, 2023 14:02:31 GMT 1
Seems we were very naive back in the 90,s
We have been well and truly done over on this one...we own 40 percent of the structure but not the land and also pay rent!!
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 10, 2023 14:05:52 GMT 1
It was an old naphthalene plant I believe? Breathing fumes containing naphthalene, drinking solutions or swallowing solid naphthalene can cause nausea, vomiting, pain in the abdomen, diarrhoea, confusion, sweating, fever, fast heart rate, rapid breathing and may lead to convulsions, coma and possibly death.. Might explain some of the rabid posters on DATM ?
Must admit, I've had most of those symptoms watching Town down there. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 10, 2023 14:11:26 GMT 1
It would be nice to have the option of getting rid of fartown and them ruining the pitch Right from the beginning they gained a lot from nothing...we sold Leeds Road and the land around it...prime Real Estate close to the Town centre yet they had a shithole of a ground in fartown yet got 20 percent of the new stadium They are like a parasite feeding off us...all the new seats and camera gantries were paid by Town It may or may not be statistically proven, but rugby does less damage, because of the style of movement (forrads & back’ards), whereas football is much more dynamic and has studs going into the surface at all different angles. They certainly do less damage to the stadium as only a couple of thousand seats get used, if the away team bring a big following 😉 |
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Post by mosher on Oct 10, 2023 14:33:46 GMT 1
I'm not jumping on his fucking back, I'm just saying I'm uneasy at the prospect of one man owning our ground. Having seen what's happened with other clubs in the last few years regarding their stadiums being owned by someone holding them to ransom, or even evicting clubs, I'm being cautious. Stop putting words in my mouth, stop telling me what I'm thinking and actually read what I've said. That's the thing on here, if you don't follow the majority everyone just wants to have a go at you without actually reading what you're saying. It is alright for you to have your opinions on Warnock. But anyone with a positive opinion on Nagle is 'sucking his cock'. The question has been asked numerous times to you, what has he done wrong to warrant the abuse? Your reply is always the same ' what has he done right?' That isn't answering the question. He may not have done much right, but he hasn't done anything wrong. So to be getting abuse is absolutely moronic. Surely him owning the stadium is fantastic for the club. More chance of you all getting these unrealistic players. hasn't abused Nagle from what I've seen. In fact he's been pretty damn vocal in shouting down those twatter users (Dunc) who HAVE abused him. It's no wonder this site goes down a rabbit-hole of abuse sometimes when people don't actually read what's being posted, but instead come to their own interpretation. okay has said (several times) he doesn't hate KN, he just hasn't done enough to earn his trust yet. I don't see the problem and all you jumping on ONE poster need to have a look at yourselves in a mirror. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 10, 2023 14:43:47 GMT 1
It is alright for you to have your opinions on Warnock. But anyone with a positive opinion on Nagle is 'sucking his cock'. The question has been asked numerous times to you, what has he done wrong to warrant the abuse? Your reply is always the same ' what has he done right?' That isn't answering the question. He may not have done much right, but he hasn't done anything wrong. So to be getting abuse is absolutely moronic. Surely him owning the stadium is fantastic for the club. More chance of you all getting these unrealistic players. hasn't abused Nagle from what I've seen. In fact he's been pretty damn vocal in shouting down those twatter users (Dunc) who HAVE abused him. It's no wonder this site goes down a rabbit-hole of abuse sometimes when people don't actually read what's being posted, but instead come to their own interpretation. okay has said (several times) he doesn't hate KN, he just hasn't done enough to earn his trust yet. I don't see the problem and all you jumping on ONE poster need to have a look at yourselves in a mirror. I never said he had given abuse. It was a general statement, in a reply. Nagel has been getting abuse. People can't say he hasn't. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Oct 10, 2023 14:50:16 GMT 1
What would happen if we just said that the company wasn't viable in its current format and that it needed to declare bankruptcy?
Could we then buy it?
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Post by mosher on Oct 10, 2023 14:50:17 GMT 1
htafcokay hasn't abused Nagle from what I've seen. In fact he's been pretty damn vocal in shouting down those twatter users (Dunc) who HAVE abused him. It's no wonder this site goes down a rabbit-hole of abuse sometimes when people don't actually read what's being posted, but instead come to their own interpretation. okay has said (several times) he doesn't hate KN, he just hasn't done enough to earn his trust yet. I don't see the problem and all you jumping on ONE poster need to have a look at yourselves in a mirror. I never said he had given abuse. It was a general statement, in a reply. Nagel has been getting abuse. People can't say he hasn't. Apologies, I meant to put in the post it wasn't specifically aimed at you as I don't particularly take notice of who posts what unless I've a keen interest. KN has been getting stupid abuse I agree, and htafcokay has also condemned it, but gets accused of hating KN for some reason. You can distrust someone without hating them and I know okay's posting style can appear quite acerbic but is it really surprising when he gets jumped on constantly? Particularly with his opinion on Corboran (which I agree with regarding the football being shit AND successful) he seems to get slated a LOT. |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 10, 2023 14:51:05 GMT 1
I have no issues with one man owning the stadium
My concern is how kirklees council managed to shaft us so badly back in 92
If I was kev I wouldn't take control of the stadium without the freehold of the land...better to let ksdl go bust and get it all anyway at a reduced cost
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Post by rockwall on Oct 10, 2023 14:55:40 GMT 1
I never said he had given abuse. It was a general statement, in a reply. Nagel has been getting abuse. People can't say he hasn't. Apologies, I meant to put in the post it wasn't specifically aimed at you as I don't particularly take notice of who posts what unless I've a keen interest. KN has been getting stupid abuse I agree, and htafcokay has also condemned it, but gets accused of hating KN for some reason. You can distrust someone without hating them and I know okay's posting style can appear quite acerbic but is it really surprising when he gets jumped on constantly? Particularly with his opinion on Corboran (which I agree with regarding the football being shit AND successful) he seems to get slated a LOT. I agree regarding Carlos too. I think people jump down his throat because he is quick to jump down others, especially when it's a difference of opinions. Statements like 'sucking his cock' because people defend someone who has unwarranted negativity os bizarre. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Oct 10, 2023 14:58:20 GMT 1
Not sure why they would want the land..
Bloody hard to do anything with it due to the issues that a previous poster raised.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 10, 2023 15:02:29 GMT 1
Apologies, I meant to put in the post it wasn't specifically aimed at you as I don't particularly take notice of who posts what unless I've a keen interest. KN has been getting stupid abuse I agree, and htafcokay has also condemned it, but gets accused of hating KN for some reason. You can distrust someone without hating them and I know okay's posting style can appear quite acerbic but is it really surprising when he gets jumped on constantly? Particularly with his opinion on Corboran (which I agree with regarding the football being shit AND successful) he seems to get slated a LOT. I agree regarding Carlos too. I think people jump down his throat because he is quick to jump down others, especially when it's a difference of opinions. Statements like 'sucking his cock' because people defend someone who has unwarranted negativity os bizarre. Others have expressed similar opinions to me on Nagle and the possibility of him owning the ground and no-one has said a thing. I'm tired of having to fight back against the constant backlash against whatever I post. A number of posters in this thread alone have put words in my mouth, accused me of hating Nagle, accused me of spreading negativity, accused me of condoning abuse towards Nagle all because I have given my reasons for not trusting the bloke. I'm suspicious of any new owner, whereas there's a general consensus on here that he's untouchable (especially from yourself) and the only accepted view is that he's great, he's got our best interests at heart and he's completely trustworthy. Seems like I'm not allowed to view him with an air of suspicion. Others have expressed similar opinions, yet there's no backlash, no accusations. Are you going to accuse Pozza (for example) of hating him? Condoning the abuse of him? Spreading negativity? Or is Pozza just stating his opinions and his concerns about a pretty important matter? |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 10, 2023 15:11:24 GMT 1
I never said he had given abuse. It was a general statement, in a reply. Nagel has been getting abuse. People can't say he hasn't. Apologies, I meant to put in the post it wasn't specifically aimed at you as I don't particularly take notice of who posts what unless I've a keen interest. KN has been getting stupid abuse I agree, and htafcokay has also condemned it, but gets accused of hating KN for some reason. You can distrust someone without hating them and I know okay's posting style can appear quite acerbic but is it really surprising when he gets jumped on constantly? Particularly with his opinion on Corboran (which I agree with regarding the football being shit AND successful) he seems to get slated a LOT. How would you react if everything you said was twisted or misinterpreted? I say that I'll wait until Nagle does something before I started showering him with praise = I hate Nagle. I express my disappointment about the departure of Warnock and state that Moore doesn't really inspire me = I don't want Moore here. I say I'm a bit wary of the ground being owned by one person in the future = Spreading negativity and I want Nagle to fail. I post on Twitter that Darren Moore is the first Town manager not get a win in his first four games since Jan Siewert = I'm deliberately being misleading and I hate Darren Moore and want him to fail. I state that less than three points at Wednesday (who are bottom of the league and 10 games without a win) isn't really acceptable = I want us to lose just so I can moan. And that is literally in the last week. Is there any wonder I'm always on the defensive? |
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 10, 2023 15:59:54 GMT 1
Apologies, I meant to put in the post it wasn't specifically aimed at you as I don't particularly take notice of who posts what unless I've a keen interest. KN has been getting stupid abuse I agree, and htafcokay has also condemned it, but gets accused of hating KN for some reason. You can distrust someone without hating them and I know okay's posting style can appear quite acerbic but is it really surprising when he gets jumped on constantly? Particularly with his opinion on Corboran (which I agree with regarding the football being shit AND successful) he seems to get slated a LOT. How would you react if everything you said was twisted or misinterpreted? I say that I'll wait until Nagle does something before I started showering him with praise = I hate Nagle. I express my disappointment about the departure of Warnock and state that Moore doesn't really inspire me = I don't want Moore here. I say I'm a bit wary of the ground being owned by one person in the future = Spreading negativity and I want Nagle to fail. I post on Twitter that Darren Moore is the first Town manager not get a win in his first four games since Jan Siewert = I'm deliberately being misleading and I hate Darren Moore and want him to fail. I state that less than three points at Wednesday (who are bottom of the league and 10 games without a win) isn't really acceptable = I want us to lose just so I can moan. And that is literally in the last week. Is there any wonder I'm always on the defensive? I don't think many have a problem with your opinions, and I don't. But just because I trust Nagle until he gives me any reason not to, it's not cock-sucking, however figuratively you meant it. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Oct 10, 2023 16:10:41 GMT 1
I have no issues with one man owning the stadium What if the one man who bought the stadium one day decided to turn round and charge us £5m a season to use the stadium? How would you feel about that? |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 10, 2023 16:21:10 GMT 1
Apologies if its been posted previously, but several clubs have fallen foul of the situation where the ground has been sold off separately to the club (See Coventry, Reading amongst others, including Leeds).
It would be nice to be in control of the whole shebang (not too technical, I trust), but beware of what you might wish for - we could soon be searching in the broom cupboard for those collecting buckets again.
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Post by rockwall on Oct 10, 2023 16:53:26 GMT 1
I agree regarding Carlos too. I think people jump down his throat because he is quick to jump down others, especially when it's a difference of opinions. Statements like 'sucking his cock' because people defend someone who has unwarranted negativity os bizarre. Others have expressed similar opinions to me on Nagle and the possibility of him owning the ground and no-one has said a thing. I'm tired of having to fight back against the constant backlash against whatever I post. A number of posters in this thread alone have put words in my mouth, accused me of hating Nagle, accused me of spreading negativity, accused me of condoning abuse towards Nagle all because I have given my reasons for not trusting the bloke. I'm suspicious of any new owner, whereas there's a general consensus on here that he's untouchable (especially from yourself) and the only accepted view is that he's great, he's got our best interests at heart and he's completely trustworthy. Seems like I'm not allowed to view him with an air of suspicion. Others have expressed similar opinions, yet there's no backlash, no accusations. Are you going to accuse Pozza (for example) of hating him? Condoning the abuse of him? Spreading negativity? Or is Pozza just stating his opinions and his concerns about a pretty important matter? And that is the reason why Lee posters are like they are towards you. I have never ever said he is untouchable. You claim people put words in your mouth and then come out with things like that. That is why you get backlash. I shall say it one last time to you, see if that brain cell stores it for once. Nagel has done nothing to warrant the abuse some have given him. So I stuck yp for him. That doesn't mean he is untouchable. That doesn't mean I am saying he has done lots of good things. That is saying, that someone is getting abuse for doing nothing wrong. I know this goes back to Warnock too with you. I even said on that I like them both just as much as eachother. Once again, you failed to process that. This is why people jump on you quickly. You are too quick to argue, jump on others and then play the victim when people do it back. Pozza has never jumped and made things up about what I have said. |
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