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Post by artysid on Jul 4, 2023 9:35:44 GMT 1
At least we (and Warnock) know what we're getting, no surprises for anyone.
Warnock doesn't do orthodoxy. How many of us would have got rid of Ewan Roberts first time round?
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 4, 2023 9:37:12 GMT 1
Okay then, he's a fucking brilliant signing. After two seasons of being utter fucking crap, he had a period of about eight games where he played well and well beyond his capabilities. Give him a ten year contract for fucks sake. Town fans complain like fuck about lack of ambition and then in the same breath are happy about us giving contracts to players that have done next to nothing for us until their contract is up for renewal. These days Simon Baldry would be called a Town legend by our fans. Go and have a wank and calm down FFS š. You always go off on one š. No one said he wasn't crap before Warnock got hold of him. It's not exciting but as a cheap signing that Warnock trusts, when needed, where's the problem if that saving allows us to spend on a bit more quality elsewhere. Surely we have to trust the judgement of the bloke who's managed 1600 games.I never once doubted Warnock last season, unlike a lot of people who were kicking off after a few games and saying he was past it, questioning his selections and constantly droning on about Knockaert not playing. I trust Warnock's judgement but I'm not going to sit here and say nothing when people are claiming Ruffels was anything other than guff for 95% of his time here. |
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Post by mooythegoat on Jul 4, 2023 9:43:36 GMT 1
Think people need to realign their expectations on this takeover. The average wage in the USL is Ā£60k per year. Our top earners will be on 60k a month, very happy with how Nagle comes across as a person so far however I don't expect much to change in the way we do our business. Ruffles will be absolutely fine for this year Warnock said in an interview at one point he was as good a left back as he has had in the Championship.
Enjoy this year with Neil in charge, he will get the best out of everyone and hopefully lead to a relatively successful season. I do fear though if we are giving these players (Ward, Ruffles etc) multiple year extensions if whoever takes over from Neil can get anywhere near the same output.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 4, 2023 9:44:39 GMT 1
Go and have a wank and calm down FFS š. You always go off on one š. No one said he wasn't crap before Warnock got hold of him. It's not exciting but as a cheap signing that Warnock trusts, when needed, where's the problem if that saving allows us to spend on a bit more quality elsewhere. Surely we have to trust the judgement of the bloke who's managed 1600 games.I never once doubted Warnock last season, unlike a lot of people who were kicking off after a few games and saying he was past it, questioning his selections and constantly droning on about Knockaert not playing. I trust Warnock's judgement but I'm not going to sit here and say nothing when people are claiming Ruffels was anything other than guff for 95% of his time here. Most folk have said he was much improved after Colin got hold of him, you included. We can't complain if he performs, this season, as he did for the last part of last season. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 4, 2023 9:45:54 GMT 1
I never once doubted Warnock last season, unlike a lot of people who were kicking off after a few games and saying he was past it, questioning his selections and constantly droning on about Knockaert not playing. I trust Warnock's judgement but I'm not going to sit here and say nothing when people are claiming Ruffels was anything other than guff for 95% of his time here. Most folk have said he was much improved after Colin got hold of him, you included. We can't complain if he performs, this season, as he did for the last part of last season. If I performed as regularly as Koroma and Ruffels have for Town in my job, I'd have been sacked years ago. |
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Post by bentley316 on Jul 4, 2023 9:46:08 GMT 1
If hes good enough for Neil....
Solid back up option, there are games where we need a more defensive minded LB. Ruffles is a low cost, fairly low risk option.
Im not thrilled about it but with the other left backs being fairly inexperienced, I get it. Also gives the left winger a bit more freedom to get forward knowing someone solid os behind them.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 4, 2023 9:46:50 GMT 1
Think people need to realign their expectations on this takeover. The average wage in the USL is Ā£60k per year. Our top earners will be on 60k a month, very happy with how Nagle comes across as a person so far however I don't expect much to change in the way we do our business. Ruffles will be absolutely fine for this year Warnock said in an interview at one point he was as good a left back as he has had in the Championship. Enjoy this year with Neil in charge, he will get the best out of everyone and hopefully lead to a relatively successful season. I do fear though if we are giving these players (Ward, Ruffles etc) multiple year extensions if whoever takes over from Neil can get anywhere near the same output. Depends how long JR gets, Wardy and JK have got 2 years so that's only one left after Colin leaves. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 4, 2023 9:48:01 GMT 1
Most folk have said he was much improved after Colin got hold of him, you included. We can't complain if he performs, this season, as he did for the last part of last season. If I performed as regularly as Koroma and Ruffels have for Town in my job, I'd have been sacked years ago. If you go on at work like you do on here, it's a wonder you haven't been š |
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 4, 2023 9:50:44 GMT 1
If I performed as regularly as Koroma and Ruffels have for Town in my job, I'd have been sacked years ago. If you go on at work like you do on here, it's a wonder you haven't been š I'm not surrounded by idiots at work. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 4, 2023 9:57:12 GMT 1
Koroma had also had a long spell of being not particularly good. Ruffels was awful first 2/3 of last season, the season before that he was ok I thought, there was a spell where he was doing better than Toffolo, whose place in the side was saved in the end by him going on a scoring run. I know, but you'd think he was the second coming of Maradona judging by comments on here.Ā nowt wrong with getting a bit carried away when a player is doing well, we're fans not objective observers |
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Post by ram on Jul 4, 2023 10:22:40 GMT 1
So! the 4 "New" signings are Koroma,Ruffels,and 2 to be named? Just 2 then.
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Post by town1 on Jul 4, 2023 10:25:48 GMT 1
Ward, Koroma, Ruffels, Thomas
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Post by Sio on Jul 4, 2023 10:29:07 GMT 1
Ruffels, Ward, potentially Hoillet, and to an extent even Koroma are a sign of what we can expect for a year or two - stability and probably limited excitement (yes Koroma has his moments) whilst hopefully work goes on behind the scenes.
Everyone wanted Warnock back - with that comes solid utility players who are going to create a good culture in the dressing room.
Ordinarily I'd be largely disappointed with the business but I'm going to trust that it all forms part of a bigger, longer-term plan.
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Post by workshyfop on Jul 4, 2023 10:30:53 GMT 1
Warnock likes to be surrounded by his own men, people he can trust to carry out instructions and get the job done. Whatever we think of certain players, after last season we have to let Warnock get on with it as he sees fit. Itād be nice to spend a few quid to improve the squad, but that awaits to be seen.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 4, 2023 10:34:23 GMT 1
Very strange if we sign Ruffels, we may have to lower our expectations. He might be a cheap option, as some have said, for LB cover but he's not as cheap as not signing any more LB cover, when we already have Yuta, Headley & Jackson, while being totally exposed at RB, with our current options being the Keighley Cannavaro & Spencer, while Turton is injured.
I think everyone will acknowledge NW performed a miracle keeping us up with last year's squad, which is exactly what he'll have to repeat again this season if we don't buy any attacking quality.
Obviously, our business won't be over, so we need to hold off wetting our pants, but this group of players doesn't need more squad players, it needs 3 or 4 signings that will be intended to be 1st eleven key men & that's not taking into account any of our players that may be sold.
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Post by dezzly on Jul 4, 2023 10:43:33 GMT 1
Very strange if we sign Ruffels, we may have to lower our expectations. He might be a cheap option, as some have said, for LB cover but he's not as cheap as not signing any more LB cover, when we already have Yuta, Headley & Jackson, while being totally exposed at RB, with our current options being the Keighley Cannavaro & Spencer, while Turton is injured. I think everyone will acknowledge NW performed a miracle keeping us up with last year's squad, which is exactly what he'll have to repeat again this season if we don't buy any attacking quality. Obviously, our business won't be over, so we need to hold off wetting our pants, but this group of players doesn't need more squad players, it needs 3 or 4 signings that will be intended to be 1st eleven key men & that's not taking into account any of our players that may be sold. I think this is spot on.To be honest warnock may see out of those 3 or 4 signings that sorba and yuta are,to him anyway,effectively new signings,he may even throw a full season of Koroma in that bracket too.Heās already said he wants 1/2 strikers(certainly attacking options) so I think these and right back should be the priority. Personally and this is probably across the board I think we need an all round central midfielder too unless he can get something out of camara. We already seem behind however I donāt think he will be panicking and he may even want to assess over the next week or two to see if anyway steps up.Certainly with the midfield and right back options.I think he wants at least one striker regardless of performances in pre season.Probably a difficult season ahead again although if the above were to happen somewhere in between the form he was producing back end of the season and the honking form/performances back end of foth and we probably wouldnāt be too far away from just below mid table you wouldnāt think. None of its exciting but we may have to wait for that in years to come(hopefully) |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 4, 2023 10:54:18 GMT 1
Very strange if we sign Ruffels, we may have to lower our expectations. He might be a cheap option, as some have said, for LB cover but he's not as cheap as not signing any more LB cover, when we already have Yuta, Headley & Jackson, while being totally exposed at RB, with our current options being the Keighley Cannavaro & Spencer, while Turton is injured. I think everyone will acknowledge NW performed a miracle keeping us up with last year's squad, which is exactly what he'll have to repeat again this season if we don't buy any attacking quality. Obviously, our business won't be over, so we need to hold off wetting our pants, but this group of players doesn't need more squad players, it needs 3 or 4 signings that will be intended to be 1st eleven key men & that's not taking into account any of our players that may be sold. I think this is spot on.To be honest warnock may see out of those 3 or 4 signings that sorba and yuta are,to him anyway,effectively new signings,he may even throw a full season of Koroma in that bracket too.Heās already said he wants 1/2 strikers(certainly attacking options) so I think these and right back should be the priority. Personally and this is probably across the board I think we need an all round central midfielder too unless he can get something out of camara. We already seem behind however I donāt think he will be panicking and he may even want to assess over the next week or two to see if anyway steps up.Certainly with the midfield and right back options.I think he wants at least one striker regardless of performances in pre season.Probably a difficult season ahead again although if the above were to happen somewhere in between the form he was producing back end of the season and the honking form/performances back end of foth and we probably wouldnāt be too far away from just below mid table you wouldnāt think. None of its exciting but we may have to wait for that in years to come(hopefully) I like your post, the problem for me is that I think the vast majority of our fanbase is automatically thinking that because NW is back there's no chance of relegation. I think it's a different kettle of fish asking Warnock to succeed over a full season, than the last 1/3 of the last campaign. I think he admitted himself, he was knackered after that but he gave the squad belief that they could stay up against all odds. Last season we had virtually all given up hope & accepted our fate - this is different over a brand new season. Obviously, we need to wait til our recruitment is complete but without those 3 or 4 key first eleven players I mentioned, I generally believe we will struggle again & if we are relegated, that will set us back an awful long way. |
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 4, 2023 10:55:47 GMT 1
Very strange if we sign Ruffels, we may have to lower our expectations. He might be a cheap option, as some have said, for LB cover but he's not as cheap as not signing any more LB cover, when we already have Yuta, Headley & Jackson, while being totally exposed at RB, with our current options being the Keighley Cannavaro & Spencer, while Turton is injured. I think everyone will acknowledge NW performed a miracle keeping us up with last year's squad, which is exactly what he'll have to repeat again this season if we don't buy any attacking quality. Obviously, our business won't be over, so we need to hold off wetting our pants, but this group of players doesn't need more squad players, it needs 3 or 4 signings that will be intended to be 1st eleven key men & that's not taking into account any of our players that may be sold. Wouldn't it be nice though, really lovely if we didn't wait till the last minute to bring in that attacking quality we desperately need. What we don't want is to be writing off the first 4 games of the season by starting understrength. It would be a carbon copy if last season. |
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Post by dezzly on Jul 4, 2023 11:00:00 GMT 1
I think this is spot on.To be honest warnock may see out of those 3 or 4 signings that sorba and yuta are,to him anyway,effectively new signings,he may even throw a full season of Koroma in that bracket too.Heās already said he wants 1/2 strikers(certainly attacking options) so I think these and right back should be the priority. Personally and this is probably across the board I think we need an all round central midfielder too unless he can get something out of camara. We already seem behind however I donāt think he will be panicking and he may even want to assess over the next week or two to see if anyway steps up.Certainly with the midfield and right back options.I think he wants at least one striker regardless of performances in pre season.Probably a difficult season ahead again although if the above were to happen somewhere in between the form he was producing back end of the season and the honking form/performances back end of foth and we probably wouldnāt be too far away from just below mid table you wouldnāt think. None of its exciting but we may have to wait for that in years to come(hopefully) I like your post, the problem for me is that I think the vast majority of our fanbase is automatically thinking that because NW is back there's no chance of relegation. I think it's a different kettle of fish asking Warnock to succeed over a full season, thank the last 1/3 of the last campaign. I think he admitted himself, he was knackered after that but he gave the squad belief that they could stay up against all odds. Last season we had virtually all given up hope & accepted our fate - this is different over a brand new season. Obviously, we need to wait til our recruitment is complete but without those 3 or 4 key first eleven players I mentioned, I generally believe we will struggle again & if we are relegated, that will set us back an awful long way. Yeh I agree it could well be another tough season.and yes I think he would struggle to replicate that sort of form across a full season,which why kind of said somewhere in between that and the poor form would be just well..fine. I know KN tweeted that the first 12 months is restrictive financially but what he said about when an opportunity presents or when there is a need he isnāt afraid to make big decisions did stick in my head so come January if it was touch and go its good to hear that most likely he would take action,maybe in the form of a couple of better quality additions maybe. Like you say have to wait and see anyway,only just back in pre season and ages left in the window yet. Warnock gives you more comfort in that respect as under a more inexperienced coach would be desperate for the signings to be the door now,so coach can implement style etc.Thatās not something we need,heās worked with majority of squad already and they know what to expect and whatās expected of them. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 4, 2023 11:01:18 GMT 1
Iām probably in a minority here, but I think this lad might surprise a few people if he gets a run in the team and builds his confidence.
Although Iām way off in terms of paying attention to what our squad looks like.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 4, 2023 11:01:35 GMT 1
Very strange if we sign Ruffels, we may have to lower our expectations. He might be a cheap option, as some have said, for LB cover but he's not as cheap as not signing any more LB cover, when we already have Yuta, Headley & Jackson, while being totally exposed at RB, with our current options being the Keighley Cannavaro & Spencer, while Turton is injured. I think everyone will acknowledge NW performed a miracle keeping us up with last year's squad, which is exactly what he'll have to repeat again this season if we don't buy any attacking quality. Obviously, our business won't be over, so we need to hold off wetting our pants, but this group of players doesn't need more squad players, it needs 3 or 4 signings that will be intended to be 1st eleven key men & that's not taking into account any of our players that may be sold. Wouldn't it be nice though, really lovely if we didn't wait till the last minute to bring in that attacking quality we desperately need. What we don't want is to be writing off the first 4 games of the season by starting understrength. It would be a carbon copy if last season. Totally agree, however, if the plan is to sign some Premier League loans to add attacking quality, we will have to wait until their teams decide that they will be available for loan & if they are available to loan, which clubs will suit them best. I reckon NW will split opinion on Premier League teams, if a club decides a player may be getting a bit above themselves they might decide a spell under NW would be ideal, however, if their attitude is spot on, they may decide that NW's more practical approach to games is not going to serve their player the best. |
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Post by dezzly on Jul 4, 2023 11:03:19 GMT 1
Just as a follow up to seeing warnocks comments on the ruffels extension announcement
He says heās happy with the squad at the start of pre season but we know that we need additions further up the pitch.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jul 4, 2023 11:04:11 GMT 1
Now confirmed.
Commenting on Joshās new contract, Neil Warnock said:
āThe opportunity to resign Josh alongside both Josh Koroma and Danny Ward for me is a no-brainer.
āRuffels is a great professional, and his addition leaves me in a position where Iām happy with the squad right at the start of pre-season, but we know we need additions further up the pitch.
āIām delighted to have Josh on board - heās so reliable, and has been since Iāve been here. He can play numerous positions for me as well, so thatās good to have in our squad.ā
Congratulations on the new contract, Josh!
I guess it makes sense. Looks like we are happy with our defence but are looking to add up the pitch.
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Post by hartyhtfc on Jul 4, 2023 11:06:33 GMT 1
Now confirmed. Commenting on Joshās new contract, Neil Warnock said: āThe opportunity to resign Josh alongside both Josh Koroma and Danny Ward for me is a no-brainer. āRuffels is a great professional, and his addition leaves me in a position where Iām happy with the squad right at the start of pre-season, but we know we need additions further up the pitch. āIām delighted to have Josh on board - heās so reliable, and has been since Iāve been here. He can play numerous positions for me as well, so thatās good to have in our squad.ā Congratulations on the new contract, Josh! I guess it makes sense. Looks like we are happy with our defence but are looking to add up the pitch. If this means we'll have some budget to spend on a striker, I'm fine with that. Proof will be in the pudding |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jul 4, 2023 11:06:59 GMT 1
Very lucky to be re-signed, especially for two years. Hope heās cheap. Heās been gash for most of his time here.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 4, 2023 11:07:17 GMT 1
Low-risk, reliable squad player and as been said, can play in multiple positions. Makes sense
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 4, 2023 11:08:25 GMT 1
Low-risk, reliable squad player and as been said, can play in multiple positions. Makes sense Can he? |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 4, 2023 11:11:30 GMT 1
Just read on the official site that Josh Ruffels became the 1,000th player to play for Town. Iāve seen 550 of them play for Town. Todayās miscellaneous fact!
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 4, 2023 11:18:17 GMT 1
On the face of it I'd agree... BUT He's still young and with room to improve. If we aren't going to be spaffing silly money on strengthening, Ruffels is potentially a useful player to have in the squad. With Warnock able to work on him over the summer, giving him another year or two wouldn't be a terrible idea. Still expect Nakayama to be first choice at left-back, as he was just finding his feet in the Championship when he got injured. I know he played there for Japan, but I really can't believe that anyone who saw him at LB and CB can think LB is his primary position. For me, he's clearly a left CB (of a three) and Headley would be first choice LB. If we have four at the back, then yeah, it maybe gets a bit more complicated. Buzz definitely saw him as a Japanese left sided centre back. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 4, 2023 11:18:21 GMT 1
Low-risk, reliable squad player and as been said, can play in multiple positions. Makes sense Can he? As someone else posted, he can play LB, LWB, LCB and in midfield. He might not be a world beater in any but he can do a job for a few games, if needed. Surely, if he's only on the bench, that gives scope for more attacking players to be on the bench rather than needing a couple of defenders and a midfielder š¤· |
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