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Post by bluebell on Jan 8, 2023 17:54:16 GMT 1
The thing with MF is he clearly cares, i understand people saying why dig players out etc. The problem is we had Schofield who did not do that, he played players even when out of form he bent over backwards to try and keep the attention away from. MF to be fair to him if the players had the same level of passion to do well as he does currently, i am sure we would climb the table, does he get it wrong probs in todays football yes the way he goes about it, but MF knows hsi career as a coach / head coach in on the line .
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Post by wigster on Jan 8, 2023 17:57:42 GMT 1
Don’t think Botheringthem should be calling out individual players (in public) for making mistakes. Can’t be doing much for confidence I must admit I was very very surprised when I saw his comments about Kamberi and his miss. I was totally underwhelmed when we signed him - a striker who does not score goals - BUT it was Fotheringham who knows him and presumably had a say in his coming here. In spite of that you surely don't lay into him the way that Fotheringham did on his debut - directly blaming his miss (and other things) for us not winning the match. That's not good man management on any level whatsoever. He must be getting desperate. I accept that we are stuck with Mark Fotheringham - to get rid of him now would surely make Bromby's position untenable. The more I see of "Fozzy" the more I think that he is totally out of his depth, or is just symptomatic of the total mess that my club has been allowed to get into, in recent times. I look at the squad, the tactics, the performances, the results, the shambles over ownership/shares etc etc and I realise how quickly, and deeply, Huddersfield Town have sunk. And despite promises, we hear not a word from those in authority at the club.
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Post by ambryboy on Jan 8, 2023 18:11:38 GMT 1
Dave Hockaday reincarnated?
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Post by Ibiza Town on Jan 8, 2023 18:37:29 GMT 1
Don’t think Botheringthem should be calling out individual players (in public) for making mistakes. Can’t be doing much for confidence I must admit I was very very surprised when I saw his comments about Kamberi and his miss. I was totally underwhelmed when we signed him - a striker who does not score goals - BUT it was Fotheringham who knows him and presumably had a say in his coming here. In spite of that you surely don't lay into him the way that Fotheringham did on his debut - directly blaming his miss (and other things) for us not winning the match. That's not good man management on any level whatsoever. He must be getting desperate. I accept that we are stuck with Mark Fotheringham - to get rid of him now would surely make Bromby's position untenable. The more I see of "Fozzy" the more I think that he is totally out of his depth, or is just symptomatic of the total mess that my club has been allowed to get into, in recent times. I look at the squad, the tactics, the performances, the results, the shambles over ownership/shares etc etc and I realise how quickly, and deeply, Huddersfield Town have sunk. And despite promises, we hear not a word from those in authority at the club. And calling out Kasumu for the error that lead to their second. Makes me wonder what else is going down in the dressing room
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Post by duncfost01 on Jan 8, 2023 18:40:44 GMT 1
Most of us could never understand Corberan’s post match comments but when translated he always talked about the tactical things we didn’t do well or the things we did do well tactically. He never threw any of his players “under the bus”.
MF talks like my Sunday league manager foggy “Dunc you need to just go through him”.. or our pal scoffer who would say “look just pass to me I will score”… the south stand definitely misses Dave.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 8, 2023 19:24:09 GMT 1
It’s refreshing and about time managers started being honest about players and letting people know thoughts. If they have played shit, say they have played shit. I have a lot more time for honest people. Players have been wrapped in cotton wool far too long.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 8, 2023 19:46:58 GMT 1
It’s refreshing and about time managers started being honest about players and letting people know thoughts. If they have played shit, say they have played shit. I have a lot more time for honest people. Players have been wrapped in cotton wool far too long. It doesn't do much for players confidence though, that's the issue. The player probably knows he mucked up and played crap.
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Post by Towner47 on Jan 8, 2023 19:52:53 GMT 1
Well if he knows that he should make bloody sure he doesn't do it again
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 8, 2023 19:56:32 GMT 1
It’s refreshing and about time managers started being honest about players and letting people know thoughts. If they have played shit, say they have played shit. I have a lot more time for honest people. Players have been wrapped in cotton wool far too long. It doesn't do much for players confidence though, that's the issue. The player probably knows he mucked up and played crap. They are treated like babies. They aren’t playing for the club art, they aren’t playing for Town. They are playing for their salary. Apart from a select few, they aren’t loyal to the club and most of them couldn’t give two shits about Huddersfield Town. There’s no need to defend them and their precious egos.
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Post by krtek on Jan 8, 2023 20:17:48 GMT 1
It doesn't do much for players confidence though, that's the issue. The player probably knows he mucked up and played crap. They are treated like babies. They aren’t playing for the club art, they aren’t playing for Town. They are playing for their salary. Apart from a select few, they aren’t loyal to the club and most of them couldn’t give two shits about Huddersfield Town. There’s no need to defend them and their precious egos. I don't think it is any coincidence that our two best managers in recent history DIDN'T spend every presser slating individual players and saying things which should only should be said behind closed doors. And they were both quite articulate and calm in their media engagements rather than this rambling embarrassment that some people find too much to even listen to any more.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 8, 2023 20:25:26 GMT 1
They are treated like babies. They aren’t playing for the club art, they aren’t playing for Town. They are playing for their salary. Apart from a select few, they aren’t loyal to the club and most of them couldn’t give two shits about Huddersfield Town. There’s no need to defend them and their precious egos. I don't think it is any coincidence that our two best managers in recent history DIDN'T spend every presser slating individual players and saying things which should only should be said behind closed doors. And they were both quite articulate and calm in their media engagements rather than this rambling embarrassment that some people find too much to even listen to any more. Reading some of the comments on this video I'm stunned at the amount of people that say how much they love him. Do HTAFC have bots or just clueless fans who accept mediocrity? 🤔
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Post by krtek on Jan 8, 2023 20:29:48 GMT 1
I don't think it is any coincidence that our two best managers in recent history DIDN'T spend every presser slating individual players and saying things which should only should be said behind closed doors. And they were both quite articulate and calm in their media engagements rather than this rambling embarrassment that some people find too much to even listen to any more. Reading some of the comments on this video I'm stunned at the amount of people that say how much they love him. Do HTAFC have bots or just clueless fans who accept mediocrity? 🤔 well at least Bromby has enough time on his hands to create multiple social media alts!
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Post by space hardware on Jan 8, 2023 20:38:13 GMT 1
It’s refreshing and about time managers started being honest about players and letting people know thoughts. If they have played shit, say they have played shit. I have a lot more time for honest people. Players have been wrapped in cotton wool far too long. Maybe the players should clap back about his shit tactics, his repeated error of playing players out of position and his public crucifying of individual mistakes? That would be refreshing.
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Post by 28901 on Jan 8, 2023 23:49:40 GMT 1
Dave Hockaday reincarnated? Clubs who made these ridiculous appointments in the past, Leeds, Swansea, Bradford spring to mind, quickly realise the error and get rid. Not Town sadly don't bother. Joke appointment, joke club. Laughing stock.
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Post by wildhogg on Jan 8, 2023 23:52:45 GMT 1
Watching the interviews and press conferences makes me want to stab myself in the eye with a fork. I'd better stop watching them.
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Post by stinkypete on Jan 9, 2023 8:40:40 GMT 1
Watching the interviews and press conferences makes me want to stab myself in the eye with a fork. I'd better stop watching them. The most annoying voice I think I’ve ever heard, and the drivel he spouts makes it doubly annoying!! Just an arrogant tosser that probably can’t believe his luck!
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jan 9, 2023 11:08:53 GMT 1
I stopped listening to his pressers a little while ago (& feel better for it), however, I was intrigued about the debate on here about who was picking the team so I listened to the interview put on here, my thoughts are:
a) I took his team selection comment as he does pick the team & he'll take what he saw from the Preston game into account moving forward starting with Hull, nothing more sinister than that
b) That's the first time I've heard him criticise players, I take this to mean he is really feeling pressure right now
c) He still talks absolute crap, so it may be a while before I listen to any of his pressers again (the bit where he alluded to us giving away crap goals not being like us was particularly annoying for me, seeing as we've been giving crap goals away all season)
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 9, 2023 11:09:07 GMT 1
It’s the cup, i wanted to win but don’t really care we’re out. . Me too. Its nothing more than an inconvenient irrelevance now, the FA cup , and has been for Town for years.... as it is for most clubs. Might aswell scrap it. Think it died for me when we got to the 5th round under Wagner and played our B team. I know why he did that and you could argue it worked out, we did go up,, but as far as the FA cup goes, we were a round away for quarters , at home to Man City, full house, live on national tv, and we played a B team. Then frustratingly drew 0-0 so might have won with our best side! Didnt even know it was an early kick off on Saturday .
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 9, 2023 11:18:09 GMT 1
I stopped listening to his pressers a little while ago (& feel better for it), however, I was intrigued about the debate on here about who was picking the team so I listened to the interview put on here, my thoughts are: a) I took his team selection comment as he does pick the team & he'll take what he saw from the Preston game into account moving forward starting with Hull, nothing more sinister than that b) That's the first time I've heard him criticise players, I take this to mean he is really feeling pressure right now c) He still talks absolute crap, so it may be a while before I listen to any of his pressers again (the bit where he alluded to us giving away crap goals not being like us was particularly annoying for me, seeing as we've been giving crap goals away all season) a) youre right of course. Anyone suggesting he hasnt been picking the team is just being silly. b) If he doesnt criticise the players hell get slated for that too, like hes too soft and pally and 'not watching the same game' etc. Whatever he says he cant win in the minds of some fans now. c) hes not great in interviews at all. He clearly struggles with it. The bit about crap goals I can sympathise with because recently we have been pretty tight.. not conceding that many. End of the day it's ALL about results. If we were winning everyone would love him and think his crap interview style was refreshing and endearing. Because we're struggling, everything he says is annoying and makes him look clueless. Thats just how it is for all managers IMO.
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Post by detox on Jan 9, 2023 12:03:55 GMT 1
The Kamberi miss was horrific, and so was Woods miss for Newcastle which was almost identical...it happens, whether you're an up and coming player or a seasoned pro. It will have been spoken about in the changing room, the lad will have apologised, other players would have consolled him..the coach might have had a word privately too..on the lines of 'never mind, keep going, it'll come, we all believe in you etc'... So why did MF go public ? What 'good' would it have done ? All I can think is it was an excuse for MF...like 'look we are creating chances but missing them, it's not my fault'...but the bigger picture, from what I saw on the stream was an utterly disorganised, shambolic and clueless performance that ranks as bad as I've ever seen from Town in my 60 years...and I've seen some rubbish believe me. I couldn't see anything that suggested this team was organsied and coached..it all seemed off the cuff individualism...whether there was a plan or not. I remarked earlier it was worse than hepworth U 12's,and I'd like to apologise to Hepworth for that slur, it was unwarranted and undeserved..
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Post by wigster on Jan 9, 2023 13:15:59 GMT 1
The Kamberi miss was horrific, and so was Woods miss for Newcastle which was almost identical...it happens, whether you're an up and coming player or a seasoned pro. It will have been spoken about in the changing room, the lad will have apologised, other players would have consolled him..the coach might have had a word privately too..on the lines of 'never mind, keep going, it'll come, we all believe in you etc'... So why did MF go public ? What 'good' would it have done ? All I can think is it was an excuse for MF...like 'look we are creating chances but missing them, it's not my fault'...but the bigger picture, from what I saw on the stream was an utterly disorganised, shambolic and clueless performance that ranks as bad as I've ever seen from Town in my 60 years...and I've seen some rubbish believe me. I couldn't see anything that suggested this team was organsied and coached..it all seemed off the cuff individualism...whether there was a plan or not. I remarked earlier it was worse than hepworth U 12's,and I'd like to apologise to Hepworth for that slur, it was unwarranted and undeserved.. I agree totally with what you say about his treatment of Kamberi - it's not mollycoddling a new player on his debut to have a quiet word in the changing room along the lines you suggest - it's just good man management. But to publicly hang him out to dry... and Fotheringham presumably wanted this player - he knows him !! As for us not being organised I have to disagree - I thought we looked totally "coached" - five at the back, four in midfield to defend, and Simpson up front. Result - the first half and not remotely a chance of creating anything. We DO seem to have a plan - defend in numbers and hope like hell for a set play, or a mistake by our opponents. In 9 out of 10 matches it means that we lose if we concede. It's when he desperately sends several attacking players on when we go behind in the second half - THEN we look disorganised and clueless.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 9, 2023 13:20:21 GMT 1
The players accidentally made mistakes, they weren't making them on purpose but he lays into them for it.
Buzz, deliberately, played players out of position and unbalanced the team.
Who's more at fault ?
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Post by detox on Jan 9, 2023 13:49:12 GMT 1
The Kamberi miss was horrific, and so was Woods miss for Newcastle which was almost identical...it happens, whether you're an up and coming player or a seasoned pro. It will have been spoken about in the changing room, the lad will have apologised, other players would have consolled him..the coach might have had a word privately too..on the lines of 'never mind, keep going, it'll come, we all believe in you etc'... So why did MF go public ? What 'good' would it have done ? All I can think is it was an excuse for MF...like 'look we are creating chances but missing them, it's not my fault'...but the bigger picture, from what I saw on the stream was an utterly disorganised, shambolic and clueless performance that ranks as bad as I've ever seen from Town in my 60 years...and I've seen some rubbish believe me. I couldn't see anything that suggested this team was organsied and coached..it all seemed off the cuff individualism...whether there was a plan or not. I remarked earlier it was worse than hepworth U 12's,and I'd like to apologise to Hepworth for that slur, it was unwarranted and undeserved.. I agree totally with what you say about his treatment of Kamberi - it's not mollycoddling a new player on his debut to have a quiet word in the changing room along the lines you suggest - it's just good man management. But to publicly hang him out to dry... and Fotheringham presumably wanted this player - he knows him !! As for us not being organised I have to disagree - I thought we looked totally "coached" - five at the back, four in midfield to defend, and Simpson up front. Result - the first half and not remotely a chance of creating anything. We DO seem to have a plan - defend in numbers and hope like hell for a set play, or a mistake by our opponents. In 9 out of 10 matches it means that we lose if we concede. It's when he desperately sends several attacking players on when we go behind in the second half - THEN we look disorganised and clueless. yes you're right about being coached/organised...I think I meant to say is yes, you can see the players are all stood where they were told to stand on the chalk board before the game..yes 1st half was defensive and that was 'organised', .I should have seperated organised from coached tbh because it's one thing telling players where to stand,it's another thing telling them how to interact and move in certain situations..you know like knowing player x will be to your left,player y running through the channel..I assume this is part of coaching (as opposed to organising), or maybe they just trust players to know what to do on an ad hoc basis ? Whatever, it was shambolic wasn't it.
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Post by mallyb on Jan 9, 2023 13:54:17 GMT 1
The guy has been a joke since his arrival.
Last season players looked perhaps better than they were thanks to good coaching and a system that worked for the players we had. A tactically aware coach who would make positive changes mid-game to get a result. This season is the exact opposite, good players look poor.
All podcasts that talk about the championship other than the Huddersfield dedicated ones are calling his comments out as being ridiculous and clueless. Ooh to be ah have changed their tune from being a squad capable of a lower mid table finish to the manager doing as well with this squad as can be expected. Understandable because the players don't look as good now as they did when he took over. He is so full of crap, never once has he accepted responsibility for a result or a performance. Yet he is happy to dig out young kids for every mistake and blame them. Why is Ogden not asking why he brought a winger on against Luton for hoggy, a terrible decision that changed the course of the game.
Sick of the excuses and terrible interviews. Saturday was as close to a full squad as we have had for years in a cup game and was terrible. There is no improvement, we caught 2 teams at the right time because they were in the middle of a really poor run and some on here think we've turned a corner. The games since show we haven't.
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Post by detox on Jan 9, 2023 13:56:10 GMT 1
The players accidentally made mistakes, they weren't making them on purpose but he lays into them for it. Buzz, deliberately, played players out of position and unbalanced the team. Who's more at fault ? I'm not making excuses, believe me, but MF will claim this was a chance to experiment with players and formations..in a cup tie rather than on the training pitch. Yes it was shambolic, and I suppose you learn more from that ...Will it benefit him/us for the rest of the season, will crucial lessons have been learned and the team will now play with fluency and many goals will be scored..will MF end up being the genius he says he is ? Time will tell but my instinct tells me, from our previous managers/coaches, is that when something doesn't work keep doing it again and again and again and again..and if it still doesn't work..do it some more...
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jan 9, 2023 14:45:54 GMT 1
Could have had Spurs at home.
We could all have clapped Harry Kane off the pitch again!
#CouldaShouldaWoulda
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 9, 2023 15:01:22 GMT 1
Could have had Spurs at home. We could all have clapped Harry Kane off the pitch again! #CouldaShouldaWoulda #CouldaShouldaWouldnt've 😉
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 9, 2023 16:50:50 GMT 1
Haven’t watched much football these last few days, lots going on.
Having looked at the BBC highlights of this game, the only thing I would say is what a howler that miss was by Kamberi. He’s obviously inherited our luck in front of goal after a few mins of being on the pitch…
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Post by duncfost01 on Jan 9, 2023 21:00:55 GMT 1
Seems totally bizarre that interview.
A man under pressure. Needs to go rapidly. If I played for him and he publicly blamed me I wouldn’t be happy. I wouldn’t “run through brick walls for him “- which is something that he would say. Carlos/Wagner wouldn’t have even mentioned it. They looked at the overall game. It might as well be me managing town that’s the sort of childish comment I might make.
Good old Dean……
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jan 9, 2023 21:27:51 GMT 1
It’s the cup, i wanted to win but don’t really care we’re out. . Me too. Its nothing more than an inconvenient irrelevance now, the FA cup , and has been for Town for years.... as it is for most clubs. Might aswell scrap it. Think it died for me when we got to the 5th round under Wagner and played our B team. I know why he did that and you could argue it worked out, we did go up,, but as far as the FA cup goes, we were a round away for quarters , at home to Man City, full house, live on national tv, and we played a B team. Then frustratingly drew 0-0 so might have won with our best side! Didnt even know it was an early kick off on Saturday .It wasn't live on TV and it was a regular Saturday 3pm kick-off (but you're right on the other points)
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