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Post by htfcterry on Jan 15, 2023 10:56:28 GMT 1
The second half stats make grim reading from the game yesterday
Dangerous attacks:
Hull 53 - Town 3
Completed passes:
Hull 342 - Town 61
In the first half it was relatively even, we probably edged it and rightly lead at the break. I have no idea how MF can give an instruction to just sit in and defend a 1 goal lead without even posing any sort of threat upfront. We should have at least been trying to play on the counter, but there was nothing when we got the ball in their half. 61 completed passes (just over 1 pass per minute) in 45 minutes is embarrassing for a professional football club. Only 2/3 weeks ago MF was spouting how we have the ball more than any other side and our possession stats are getting better every game, absolute bollocks. The guy is out of his depth, and it has showed the last 3 games.
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Post by specialun on Jan 15, 2023 11:10:52 GMT 1
If we’d thrown away 2 points by taking a over negative approach no head coach would escape criticism 2 attack minded players on the pitch at the end - seems excessive go ugly / defend / don’t try attack too much When you're in our position, any point is a point gained. Disagree We’re playing away at Hull, winning 1-0 until the 97 minute. This is a Hull team who have 1 of their last 11 at home, 0 in 7, failed to score in 5 of those 11 This is not a point gained |
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Post by durhamterrier on Jan 15, 2023 11:33:54 GMT 1
The result puts pressure on next week now. Had someone offered me 4 from hull and Blackpool away I’d have taken it .
Gutted to drop the two points but positives for me being :
1. Bilokapic looks a sound keeper to have as back up and - along with chapman - could be the future no 1 for several years. An experienced keeper needed for rest of season though as we all saw what happened with Schofield two years ago
2. Defence continues to look solid and Pearson and Lowton fitted in really well . Do think we need a stronger left wing back but hopefully Pearson provides better support to Ruffels than Boyle (who I also think was really good for most of his last few games)
3. Scott High , whilst maybe not the best player , is town through and through and will put a shift in whenever called upon . Good to have back in the 18.
4. We’re continuing to strengthen the squad . That was our strongest bench in a long time with knockaert , Turton , camara and ward missing . If we get another couple in - which seems likely - we’ll be relying less on youth .
5. We didn’t lose - it feels like one - but picking up any point in this division and our predicament is vital . We leapfrogged Blackpool and pulled closer to Stoke whilst maintaining distance from Cardiff and Wigan .
Big win next week , avoid defeat at Coventry and round off the month with three points v Bristol (after they lose in the replay to Swansea) whilst recruiting another couple would be a pretty solid month .
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Post by stinkypete on Jan 15, 2023 11:38:35 GMT 1
The result puts pressure on next week now. Had someone offered me 4 from hull and Blackpool away I’d have taken it . Gutted to drop the two points but positives for me being : 1. Bilokapic looks a sound keeper to have as back up and - along with chapman - could be the future no 1 for several years. An experienced keeper needed for rest of season though as we all saw what happened with Schofield two years ago 2. Defence continues to look solid and Pearson and Lowton fitted in really well . Do think we need a stronger left wing back but hopefully Pearson provides better support to Ruffels than Boyle (who I also think was really good for most of his last few games) 3. Scott High , whilst maybe not the best player , is town through and through and will put a shift in whenever called upon . Good to have back in the 18. 4. We’re continuing to strengthen the squad . That was our strongest bench in a long time with knockaert , Turton , camara and ward missing . If we get another couple in - which seems likely - we’ll be relying less on youth . 5. We didn’t lose - it feels like one - but picking up any point in this division and our predicament is vital . We leapfrogged Blackpool and pulled closer to Stoke whilst maintaining distance from Cardiff and Wigan . Big win next week , avoid defeat at Coventry and round off the month with three points v Bristol (after they lose in the replay to Swansea) whilst recruiting another couple would be a pretty solid month . Your point on Scott High shows how shite he is! I’m Town through and through and would always put a shift in would it be good to have me around the squad as well?! He couldn’t get in at Rotherham, he’s really just not good enough for championship football, but again gets an easy ride cos “he’s one of our own”. If we’d just signed him from Rotherham he’d be getting ripped to shreds on here! Not good enough and we need to stop pretending he ever will be! |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 15, 2023 11:40:44 GMT 1
The result puts pressure on next week now. Had someone offered me 4 from hull and Blackpool away I’d have taken it . Gutted to drop the two points but positives for me being : 1. Bilokapic looks a sound keeper to have as back up and - along with chapman - could be the future no 1 for several years. An experienced keeper needed for rest of season though as we all saw what happened with Schofield two years ago 2. Defence continues to look solid and Pearson and Lowton fitted in really well . Do think we need a stronger left wing back but hopefully Pearson provides better support to Ruffels than Boyle (who I also think was really good for most of his last few games) 3. Scott High , whilst maybe not the best player , is town through and through and will put a shift in whenever called upon . Good to have back in the 18. 4. We’re continuing to strengthen the squad . That was our strongest bench in a long time with knockaert , Turton , camara and ward missing . If we get another couple in - which seems likely - we’ll be relying less on youth . 5. We didn’t lose - it feels like one - but picking up any point in this division and our predicament is vital . We leapfrogged Blackpool and pulled closer to Stoke whilst maintaining distance from Cardiff and Wigan . Big win next week , avoid defeat at Coventry and round off the month with three points v Bristol (after they lose in the replay to Swansea) whilst recruiting another couple would be a pretty solid month . I'm town through and through, il dust my boots off! Il put a shift in. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 15, 2023 11:42:33 GMT 1
At the end of the day, and it really is the end of my day, every week there is someone somewhere getting their weekend ruined in the 94th 95th 96th 97th 98th minute. Today was our turn. Shit happens. Man up and accept it. It would be nice if just occasionally we fucked someone else off in the 98th though. Wigan scored in the 6th minute of 4 added on. I appreciate the injury to Hogg was genuine, but maybe Refs are now being told to make sure time wasting is (half) genuinely being added on at the end. It would be interesting to see how many games are now going over their allotted minimum. It’s a shame they still refer to it as stoppage or injury time though. |
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Post by irverino on Jan 15, 2023 11:49:16 GMT 1
When you're in our position, any point is a point gained. Disagree We’re playing away at Hull, winning 1-0 until the 97 minute. This is a Hull team who have 1 of their last 11 at home, 0 in 7, failed to score in 5 of those 11 This is not a point gained True, but since the WC break they are unbeaten both home & away, its frustrating we didn't see the game out, I don't mind us sitting back & defending (we have no pace really) but you still need an attacking outlet, someone with speed or someone who can hold or both if possible......didn't help Rudoni got booked for the kicking ball away, then subbed straight after. |
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Post by sabailand on Jan 15, 2023 12:20:07 GMT 1
I know the manager isnt liked by many on here but you cant blame him or the players for that, within seconds of winning, 1-0 and its a good away performance, conceding an extremely late goal its 1-1 and people get undeservedly slated, im 100% certain some on here would like us to lose next week.
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Post by detox on Jan 15, 2023 12:21:02 GMT 1
20% of our goals conceded in last 11% of the game now...cost us 4 points so far...
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Post by htfcterry on Jan 15, 2023 12:30:21 GMT 1
I know the manager isnt liked by many on here but you cant blame him or the players for that, within seconds of winning, 1-0 and its a good away performance, conceding an extremely late goal its 1-1 and people get undeservedly slated, im 100% certain some on here would like us to lose next week. After that second half performance, I think he is the only person to blame. He deployed them shite tactics. |
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Post by willo on Jan 15, 2023 12:36:22 GMT 1
Reading through some of this and having listened to Oggy’s commentary yesterday, it makes you wonder how this game would have ended had either Corberan or Wagner been in charge for us? A thumping away win for Norwich yesterday whilst WBA come from being down to winning away. We just seemed to defend a 20 minute lead for the remainder of the game. Not great.
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 15, 2023 13:10:01 GMT 1
The result puts pressure on next week now. Had someone offered me 4 from hull and Blackpool away I’d have taken it . Gutted to drop the two points but positives for me being : 1. Bilokapic looks a sound keeper to have as back up and - along with chapman - could be the future no 1 for several years. An experienced keeper needed for rest of season though as we all saw what happened with Schofield two years ago 2. Defence continues to look solid and Pearson and Lowton fitted in really well . Do think we need a stronger left wing back but hopefully Pearson provides better support to Ruffels than Boyle (who I also think was really good for most of his last few games) 3. Scott High , whilst maybe not the best player , is town through and through and will put a shift in whenever called upon . Good to have back in the 18. 4. We’re continuing to strengthen the squad . That was our strongest bench in a long time with knockaert , Turton , camara and ward missing . If we get another couple in - which seems likely - we’ll be relying less on youth . 5. We didn’t lose - it feels like one - but picking up any point in this division and our predicament is vital . We leapfrogged Blackpool and pulled closer to Stoke whilst maintaining distance from Cardiff and Wigan . Big win next week , avoid defeat at Coventry and round off the month with three points v Bristol (after they lose in the replay to Swansea) whilst recruiting another couple would be a pretty solid month . Your point on Scott High shows how shite he is! I’m Town through and through and would always put a shift in would it be good to have me around the squad as well?! He couldn’t get in at Rotherham, he’s really just not good enough for championship football, but again gets an easy ride cos “he’s one of our own”. If we’d just signed him from Rotherham he’d be getting ripped to shreds on here! Not good enough and we need to stop pretending he ever will be! Scott High gets absolute pelters from all our experts. I don’t see anyone giving him ‘an easy ride’ |
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Post by Terriersmad on Jan 15, 2023 13:14:08 GMT 1
Frustrating, but now I've got over the initial disappointment, it isn't a disaster. Wigan's late equaliser means we're pretty much as we were. We should perhaps be only one point off, but we're three, and still in touch.
I understand dropping deep. We had a rookie goalkeeper in net and no outlet up front. It's natural to withdraw to your 18-yard line. Bilokapic did well with what he was given to do, and in truth that back three defended well right up to the one mistake with the last kick of the game. That's football. Where things fell apart was our ball retention. Which leads me straight back to the 'no outlet up front' point. The strikers we played will run and run, but without any pace and, when we don't have anyone roaring up in support, without someone to play off. We'd have been better utilising Sorba Thomas. At least he'd be able to put a bit of pressure on and maybe make them put it out of play, winning us possession higher up the pitch.
It's very easy to fall into the blame game. In my own initial frustration at conceding in the 8th minute of 6 added on I was very frustrated with the officials. It feels like had the roles been reversed the whistle would have gone. But in the end it's all just football. I'm certainly not jumping on any bandwagons one way or the other.
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Post by Blueblood on Jan 15, 2023 13:16:31 GMT 1
Well another complete fuck up.How is this clown still our coach is beyond me.
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Post by deepc on Jan 15, 2023 13:53:20 GMT 1
True, we look stronger at the back, but we were not getting battered under Schofield, only one league defeat by more than the odd goal.
Given that it appears we are stuck with MF till the end of the season something else has to change.
8 goals in the last 10 games, including 5 blanks. Fewest goals scored in the league bar Cardiff and most defeats in the league tells its own story.
What ever the plan is, it is not working.
How about doing something radical and changing the plan
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 15, 2023 14:12:44 GMT 1
True, we look stronger at the back, but we were not getting battered under Schofield, only one league defeat by more than the odd goal. Given that it appears we are stuck with MF till the end of the season something else has to change. 8 goals in the last 10 games, including 5 blanks. Fewest goals scored in the league bar Cardiff and most defeats in the league tells its own story. What ever the plan is, it is not working. How about doing something radical and changing the plan It needs a concerted effort to actually keep hold of the ball in the oppositions half. We must give the ball away more than anyone in the land. Mostly unforced errors as well. Until that improves we just won’t create enough chances to win games consistently |
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Post by CurlyWurly on Jan 15, 2023 14:30:00 GMT 1
The second half stats make grim reading from the game yesterday Dangerous attacks: Hull 53 - Town 3 Completed passes: Hull 342 - Town 61 These stats are an absolute disgrace and we got everything we deserve. You can be defensive and compact whilst being able to pass to each other. There was absolutely no game management, no yellows for time wasting, no cheap free kicks. The tactic was the last ten minutes was to see how far you could punt it into the stand. If we're going to play like that get Warnock or Pulis in so we can get behind it. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 15, 2023 14:35:54 GMT 1
20% of our goals conceded in last 11% of the game now...cost us 4 points so far... 😂 what point is that proving? A fifth of our goals conceded have come after the 80th minute. So what? It’s a 90 plus minute game for all involved. |
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Post by bleaklow on Jan 15, 2023 14:39:51 GMT 1
Perhaps Scott High was chosen because Bromby told Fotheringham how gifted he was, so, it looks to me as though the Coach is trying to please Bromby. It's unbelievable that High was picked after Rotherham decided he wasn't going to help them in fighting relegation. And Coventry fans must
be pleased to get rid of Waghorn - another abject signing. What's the point in bringing Diarra on if you're not going to make an effort to counter attack.
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Post by onesteviekindon on Jan 15, 2023 21:41:08 GMT 1
Anybody know why Knockaert didn't feature yesterday?
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Post by goodbet on Jan 15, 2023 21:45:35 GMT 1
We wouldn't sign an injured player would we?
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Post by Flowerdisco on Jan 15, 2023 22:45:46 GMT 1
I know the manager isnt liked by many on here but you cant blame him or the players for that, within seconds of winning, 1-0 and its a good away performance, conceding an extremely late goal its 1-1 and people get undeservedly slated, im 100% certain some on here would like us to lose next week. This. Some people on here seem to get a kick out of Town losing just so they can get the boot in. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 15, 2023 22:47:42 GMT 1
Anybody know why Knockaert didn't feature yesterday? Knackered after that exercise bike. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jan 16, 2023 12:03:54 GMT 1
There has been a lot of social media chatter, including on here, of people being very wise after the event - we were seconds from a hard-fought 3 points and got caught out. It happens. Had the whistle blown twenty seconds sooner everyone would be lauding the result and the performance.
I'm no Fotheringham fan but we were a flea's cock-length from 9 points from 12. That's not relegation form. Some reasons for cautious optimism.
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Post by prepare on Jan 16, 2023 12:08:41 GMT 1
Perhaps Scott High was chosen because Bromby told Fotheringham how gifted he was, so, it looks to me as though the Coach is trying to please Bromby. It's unbelievable that High was picked after Rotherham decided he wasn't going to help them in fighting relegation. And Coventry fans must be pleased to get rid of Waghorn - another abject signing. What's the point in bringing Diarra on if you're not going to make an effort to counter attack. scott high had a good game Saturday both on the ball and certainly off it |
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Post by irverino on Jan 16, 2023 12:25:00 GMT 1
I don't think LB has any say on who plays & who doesn't, if MF wanted any info on how Scott High can perform on the pitch it would be more logical to speak with his trusted captain........I presume this is allowed?
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Post by crux on Jan 16, 2023 13:02:12 GMT 1
I don't think LB has any say on who plays & who doesn't, if MF wanted any info on how Scott High can perform on the pitch it would be more logical to speak with his trusted captain........I presume this is allowed? He's also seen him play for Scotland U21 (or 23, whichever it is nowadays). |
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Post by softboy on Jan 16, 2023 13:32:57 GMT 1
I also believe Scott High had a good game but I appreciate this is no reason to not slag him off. That’s what we do on here.
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Post by digs on Jan 16, 2023 13:44:35 GMT 1
There has been a lot of social media chatter, including on here, of people being very wise after the event - we were seconds from a hard-fought 3 points and got caught out. It happens. Had the whistle blown twenty seconds sooner everyone would be lauding the result and the performance. I'm no Fotheringham fan but we were a flea's cock-length from 9 points from 12. That's not relegation form. Some reasons for cautious optimism. You can't expect to win games by defending for a full 50+ minutes,when you cant hold on to the ball in midfield when trying to counter attack,it was like Hull had a halftime team talk,but Fotheringham spent his 15 minutes on the crapper |
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Post by softboy on Jan 16, 2023 13:50:58 GMT 1
7 points from the last 4 games. I don’t usually agree but this shows just how crap MF is. Had we won on Saturday got knows what shit MF would have got on here!
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