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Post by 28901 on Jan 16, 2023 13:57:12 GMT 1
There has been a lot of social media chatter, including on here, of people being very wise after the event - we were seconds from a hard-fought 3 points and got caught out. It happens. Had the whistle blown twenty seconds sooner everyone would be lauding the result and the performance. I'm no Fotheringham fan but we were a flea's cock-length from 9 points from 12. That's not relegation form. Some reasons for cautious optimism. We didn't hold on though. There are ifs and buts in every game. We set up like a non league side at Man City and failed to hold on. |
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Post by goalden on Jan 16, 2023 14:07:32 GMT 1
There has been a lot of social media chatter, including on here, of people being very wise after the event - we were seconds from a hard-fought 3 points and got caught out. It happens. Had the whistle blown twenty seconds sooner everyone would be lauding the result and the performance. I'm no Fotheringham fan but we were a flea's cock-length from 9 points from 12. That's not relegation form. Some reasons for cautious optimism. I'm no Fotheringham fan but in his defence he did bring on an attacking threat (Diarra), who two weeks earlier at Preston completely changed the game and pushed us further up the field. Admittedly we were losing at the time, but on Saturday nothing stuck to him and he was responsible for giving the ball away which ended up causing us more problems in the last 10 (18) minutes. It was the old Van la Parra argument - he did nothing except advanced us up the field and won a throw-in. We were crying out for that but it never happened. |
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Post by mallyb on Jan 16, 2023 14:44:13 GMT 1
There has been a lot of social media chatter, including on here, of people being very wise after the event - we were seconds from a hard-fought 3 points and got caught out. It happens. Had the whistle blown twenty seconds sooner everyone would be lauding the result and the performance. I'm no Fotheringham fan but we were a flea's cock-length from 9 points from 12. That's not relegation form. Some reasons for cautious optimism. I'm no Fotheringham fan but in his defence he did bring on an attacking threat (Diarra), who two weeks earlier at Preston completely changed the game and pushed us further up the field. Admittedly we were losing at the time, but on Saturday nothing stuck to him and he was responsible for giving the ball away which ended up causing us more problems in the last 10 (18) minutes. It was the old Van la Parra argument - he did nothing except advanced us up the field and won a throw-in. We were crying out for that but it never happened. If only there was a person at a football club that could help develop players. How did Carlos and David get on at the weekend? |
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Post by sabailand on Jan 16, 2023 17:11:42 GMT 1
I'm no Fotheringham fan but in his defence he did bring on an attacking threat (Diarra), who two weeks earlier at Preston completely changed the game and pushed us further up the field. Admittedly we were losing at the time, but on Saturday nothing stuck to him and he was responsible for giving the ball away which ended up causing us more problems in the last 10 (18) minutes. It was the old Van la Parra argument - he did nothing except advanced us up the field and won a throw-in. We were crying out for that but it never happened. If only there was a person at a football club that could help develop players. How did Carlos and David get on at the weekend? Both at clubs who's expectations were/are high though especially in Norwich's case, they both had decent squads to start with, granted Corberan was a great coach and eventually took a team of journeymen, free transfers, and lower league signings to within a whisker of the prem, Wagner was different in that his signings were very astute and good enough to get us promoted albeit by the skin of our teeth, but then played their part in helping us compete in the prem. |
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Post by goodbet on Jan 16, 2023 17:29:39 GMT 1
If only there was a person at a football club that could help develop players. How did Carlos and David get on at the weekend? Both at clubs who's expectations were/are high though especially in Norwich's case, they both had decent squads to start with, granted Corberan was a great coach and eventually took a team of journeymen, free transfers, and lower league signings to within a whisker of the prem, Wagner was different in that his signings were very astute and good enough to get us promoted albeit by the skin of our teeth, but then played their part in helping us compete in the prem. A pity we could not meet Carlos's player requests. I doubt if any (apart from the usual few) think that we would have been in a better position now if we had followed is selections. We would probably not have been making the signings we are now having to make in a desperate attempt to stay in the championship which could end up costing us more. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 20:21:06 GMT 1
There has been a lot of social media chatter, including on here, of people being very wise after the event - we were seconds from a hard-fought 3 points and got caught out. It happens. Had the whistle blown twenty seconds sooner everyone would be lauding the result and the performance. I'm no Fotheringham fan but we were a flea's cock-length from 9 points from 12. That's not relegation form. Some reasons for cautious optimism. Don't think everyone would have been lauding the result.Plenty would have realised we were lucky and we are still turning out poor performances |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jan 16, 2023 20:38:37 GMT 1
If only there was a person at a football club that could help develop players. How did Carlos and David get on at the weekend? though especially in Norwich's case, they both had decent squads to start with, granted Corberan was a great coach and eventually took a team of journeymen, free transfers, and lower league signings to within a whisker of the prem, Wagner was different in that his signings were very astute and good enough to get us promoted albeit by the skin of our teeth, but then played their part in helping us compete in the prem. The problem is that, as fans, our expectations & hopes were high having finished 3rd last, though many expected a drop in where we were last season. Unfortunately, it looks like Dean's plan was to cut costs wherever he thought he could but still secure a sale of a Championship club & that he completely underestimated Carlos's contribution. Now pure fear & panic has set in as he realises relegation would be a disaster, hence the raft of roll-the-dice signings now. |
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Post by sabailand on Jan 16, 2023 20:50:31 GMT 1
Both at clubs who's expectations were/are high though especially in Norwich's case, they both had decent squads to start with, granted Corberan was a great coach and eventually took a team of journeymen, free transfers, and lower league signings to within a whisker of the prem, Wagner was different in that his signings were very astute and good enough to get us promoted albeit by the skin of our teeth, but then played their part in helping us compete in the prem. The problem is that, as fans, our expectations & hopes were high having finished 3rd last, though many expected a drop in where we were last season. Unfortunately, it looks like Dean's plan was to cut costs wherever he thought he could but still secure a sale of a Championship club & that he completely underestimated Carlos's contribution. Now pure fear & panic has set in as he realises relegation would be a disaster, hence the raft of roll-the-dice signings now. Yes admittedly although another promotion push wasnt likely we certainly didnt expect to be in a full blown relegation battle, all the excuses and reasons have been gone over and done to death..ie O'brien and toffolo leaving, glut of injuries etc etc. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 17, 2023 0:20:59 GMT 1
There squad should have been there all season. Our squad most of this season has been B team project players. Nowt to do with them employing better head coaches then?  clearly better than what was there before they arrived. But how many on voted to sack Corberàn in the numerous poll threads? |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 17, 2023 0:25:55 GMT 1
So if I'm reading this correctly, people think that we should have been piling forward in the 97th minute in search of that all important second goal? No, you're not reading that correctly. People are saying that we should not be spending 50+ minutes in the second half and more in the first half letting a team like Hull City (have you seen their goal scoring stats?) lay seige to our goal. Not unreasonable, surely ? 1. Hull a different team under new manager 2. Highlights showed just as many decent chances for us as them in second half 3. There's two teams, maybe we just couldn't attack more, because they wouldn't let us. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 17, 2023 0:35:14 GMT 1
I'm no Fotheringham fan but in his defence he did bring on an attacking threat (Diarra), who two weeks earlier at Preston completely changed the game and pushed us further up the field. Admittedly we were losing at the time, but on Saturday nothing stuck to him and he was responsible for giving the ball away which ended up causing us more problems in the last 10 (18) minutes. It was the old Van la Parra argument - he did nothing except advanced us up the field and won a throw-in. We were crying out for that but it never happened. If only there was a person at a football club that could help develop players. How did Carlos and David get on at the weekend? Wagner was, and is, working with far better more experienced players than we have now. Corberan looked at what we had and left. So what us your point exactly? |
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Post by willo on Jan 17, 2023 1:22:11 GMT 1
If only there was a person at a football club that could help develop players. How did Carlos and David get on at the weekend? Wagner was, and is, working with far better more experienced players than we have now. Corberan looked at what we had and left. So what us your point exactly? Erm, that both Norwich & WBA appointed proven very good coaches at this level, irrespective of the players they inherited, and we didn’t. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 9:04:27 GMT 1
Wagner was, and is, working with far better more experienced players than we have now. Corberan looked at what we had and left. So what us your point exactly? Erm, that both Norwich & WBA appointed proven very good coaches at this level, irrespective of the players they inherited, and we didn’t. Norwich have new owners I believe and both are still on parachute payments. West Brom’s owner looks shady and still owes them £5m and they have taken out a £20m loan to keep them solvent. Both probably praying them go back up to the cash cow that is the Premiership. If West Brom don’t go up and have a summer fire sale Carlos may not do as well next season. It’s not a simple comparison. |
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Post by prepare on Jan 17, 2023 9:32:12 GMT 1
I'm no Fotheringham fan but in his defence he did bring on an attacking threat (Diarra), who two weeks earlier at Preston completely changed the game and pushed us further up the field. Admittedly we were losing at the time, but on Saturday nothing stuck to him and he was responsible for giving the ball away which ended up causing us more problems in the last 10 (18) minutes. br] It was the old Van la Parra argument - he did nothing thst to do except advanced us up the field and won a throw-in. We were crying out for that but it never happened. If only there was a person at a football club that could help develop players. How did Carlos and David get on at the weekend? what as your last line to do with developing players?!! For goodness sake? |
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Post by irverino on Jan 17, 2023 10:51:25 GMT 1
Nowt to do with them employing better head coaches then? clearly better than what was there before they arrived. But how many on voted to sack Corberàn in the numerous poll threads? CC was lucky we were playing behind closed doors two years ago when we only gained 15 points from 24 games (Jan-May 21), probably would have been sacked had the fans been present. DW left Town with 11 points from 22 games when he departed in Jan 19', neither were sacked by our club so maybe WBA & Norwich will give them more time if they fail to get promoted.........or maybe not? |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 18, 2023 0:12:51 GMT 1
Wagner was, and is, working with far better more experienced players than we have now. Corberan looked at what we had and left. So what us your point exactly? Erm, that both Norwich & WBA appointed proven very good coaches at this level, irrespective of the players they inherited, and we didn’t. Erm.. and how did they become proven very good coaches? By been given a chance to prove it here. |
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Post by willo on Jan 18, 2023 1:12:05 GMT 1
Erm, that both Norwich & WBA appointed proven very good coaches at this level, irrespective of the players they inherited, and we didn’t. Erm.. and how did they become proven very good coaches? By been given a chance to prove it here. We keep going round in circles with this. Wagner was given his chance here because DH seemed to have got sick of appointing from the usual merry go round, likewise with Phil and CC. After the disaster that was Schofield, we needed experience (imo) but got another project. He was cheap, that’s why he’s here. Do I think he’ll keep us up? Reckon we will just about scrape it. It’s all academic really because as soon as any takeover is completed, he’ll be out the door. Til then, he gets my support same as any previous Town manager/head coach but I can’t see me singing “Mark Fotheringham’s barmy army” anytime soon. |
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