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Post by workshyfop on Feb 6, 2023 11:41:17 GMT 1
The Premier League has accused Manchester City of breaching its financial rules following an investigation.
It has referred the club to a commission over alleged breaches between the 2009-10 and 2017-18 seasons.
In 2020 City had a two-year ban from European club competitions overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas), after Uefa had ruled that City committed "serious breaches" of Financial Fair Play (FFP) regulations between 2012 and 2016.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 6, 2023 11:53:22 GMT 1
City only had it overturned before because those putting forward their case against them ran out of time, not because of any proved innocence on Citys part.
Now, it looks like the PL have actually grown a pair and are actually going for them properly.
From their point of view its a case of do they want their competition ( the PL ) to have any credibility. The accusation being a club has quite blatantly cheated for years, winning trophies along the way as a result.
98 breaches of FFP regulations!!
They'll be a lot of lawyers rubbing their hands together thats for certain.
If found guilty there no point fining Man City.. thats meaningless.. it'll be relegation I would think.
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Post by workshyfop on Feb 6, 2023 12:00:22 GMT 1
City only had it overturned before because those putting forward their case against them ran out of time, not because of any proved innocence on Citys part. Now, it looks like the PL have actually grown a pair and are actually going for them properly. From their point of view its a case of do they want their competition ( the PL ) to have any credibility. The accusation being a club has quite blatantly cheated for years, winning trophies along the way as a result. 98 breaches of FFP regulations!! They'll be a lot of lawyers rubbing their hands together thats for certain. If found guilty there no point fining Man City.. thats meaningless.. it'll be relegation I would think. I’ve not read up on the finer details, but would they have any of their honours taken away? I’m pretty sure that happened to Juventus. Obviously, City will probably throw money after money in court cases and would the Premier League risk losing that sort of club with wealthy backers? |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 6, 2023 12:06:09 GMT 1
The money men will win.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 6, 2023 12:18:01 GMT 1
City only had it overturned before because those putting forward their case against them ran out of time, not because of any proved innocence on Citys part. Now, it looks like the PL have actually grown a pair and are actually going for them properly. From their point of view its a case of do they want their competition ( the PL ) to have any credibility. The accusation being a club has quite blatantly cheated for years, winning trophies along the way as a result. 98 breaches of FFP regulations!! They'll be a lot of lawyers rubbing their hands together thats for certain. If found guilty there no point fining Man City.. thats meaningless.. it'll be relegation I would think. I’ve not read up on the finer details, but would they have any of their honours taken away? I’m pretty sure that happened to Juventus. Obviously, City will probably throw money after money in court cases and would the Premier League risk losing that sort of club with wealthy backers? Think City's gameplan has always been that if challenged on their breaches of FFP then their lawyers will just tie the court proceedings up for so many years it just fizzles out. Whether that happens time will tell. I cant see them being stripped of honours though that might depend on whether whoever came second thanks to city cheating tried to sue the PL for NOT stripping them of it. Maybe a little * next to their name on the honours list to signify that that it was won by cheating is the answer. |
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Post by townatheart on Feb 6, 2023 12:42:26 GMT 1
I’ve not read up on the finer details, but would they have any of their honours taken away? I’m pretty sure that happened to Juventus. Obviously, City will probably throw money after money in court cases and would the Premier League risk losing that sort of club with wealthy backers? Think City's gameplan has always been that if challenged on their breaches of FFP then their lawyers will just tie the court proceedings up for so many years it just fizzles out. Whether that happens time will tell. I cant see them being stripped of honours though that might depend on whether whoever came second thanks to city cheating tried to sue the PL for NOT stripping them of it. Maybe a little * next to their name on the honours list to signify that that it was won by cheating is the answer. They have watched how a certain American politicain handles these matters  |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 6, 2023 12:44:02 GMT 1
I wonder if they're the only ones 🤔
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 6, 2023 12:45:16 GMT 1
I’ve not read up on the finer details, but would they have any of their honours taken away? I’m pretty sure that happened to Juventus. Obviously, City will probably throw money after money in court cases and would the Premier League risk losing that sort of club with wealthy backers? Think City's gameplan has always been that if challenged on their breaches of FFP then their lawyers will just tie the court proceedings up for so many years it just fizzles out. Whether that happens time will tell. I cant see them being stripped of honours though that might depend on whether whoever came second thanks to city cheating tried to sue the PL for NOT stripping them of it. Maybe a little * next to their name on the honours list to signify that that it was won by cheating is the answer. While it’s a different part of the world and a different sport, NRL clubs in Australia have had titles stripped because of salary cap breaches. If the EPL are going to maintain credibility, then stripping them of titles along with relegation will be the only way to deter blatant cheating. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 6, 2023 12:47:23 GMT 1
I’ve not read up on the finer details, but would they have any of their honours taken away? I’m pretty sure that happened to Juventus. Obviously, City will probably throw money after money in court cases and would the Premier League risk losing that sort of club with wealthy backers? Think City's gameplan has always been that if challenged on their breaches of FFP then their lawyers will just tie the court proceedings up for so many years it just fizzles out. Whether that happens time will tell. I cant see them being stripped of honours though that might depend on whether whoever came second thanks to city cheating tried to sue the PL for NOT stripping them of it. Maybe a little * next to their name on the honours list to signify that that it was won by cheating is the answer. I’d prefer a big ❌ instead of something that looks too much like another star… 😉 |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 6, 2023 12:48:04 GMT 1
Think City's gameplan has always been that if challenged on their breaches of FFP then their lawyers will just tie the court proceedings up for so many years it just fizzles out. Whether that happens time will tell. I cant see them being stripped of honours though that might depend on whether whoever came second thanks to city cheating tried to sue the PL for NOT stripping them of it. Maybe a little * next to their name on the honours list to signify that that it was won by cheating is the answer. While it’s a different part of the world and a different sport, NRL clubs in Australia have had titles stripped because of salary cap breaches. If the EPL are going to maintain credibility, then stripping them of titles along with relegation will be the only way to deter blatant cheating. Hahahahahahahahahahha…. EPL & credibility in the same sentence… |
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 6, 2023 12:54:05 GMT 1
While it’s a different part of the world and a different sport, NRL clubs in Australia have had titles stripped because of salary cap breaches. If the EPL are going to maintain credibility, then stripping them of titles along with relegation will be the only way to deter blatant cheating. Hahahahahahahahahahha…. EPL & credibility in the same sentence… Chelsea have spunked 600m in six months. No accounting can make that right |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 6, 2023 13:07:01 GMT 1
And then there's this ...  |
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Post by chadders51 on Feb 6, 2023 13:27:31 GMT 1
Chance of any meaningful punishment is zero
FFP only really applies to clubs like Stoke and Town
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 6, 2023 13:49:55 GMT 1
City only had it overturned before because those putting forward their case against them ran out of time, not because of any proved innocence on Citys part. Now, it looks like the PL have actually grown a pair and are actually going for them properly. From their point of view its a case of do they want their competition ( the PL ) to have any credibility. The accusation being a club has quite blatantly cheated for years, winning trophies along the way as a result. 98 breaches of FFP regulations!! They'll be a lot of lawyers rubbing their hands together thats for certain. If found guilty there no point fining Man City.. thats meaningless.. it'll be relegation I would think. I think it would be removal from any European competition for 2 years and possibly a points deduction. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 6, 2023 13:51:03 GMT 1
Hahahahahahahahahahha…. EPL & credibility in the same sentence… Chelsea have spunked 600m in six months. No accounting can make that right They have given 7 year contracts to players for a reason. That and spreading payments over a few years can keep you within FFP. |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 6, 2023 13:52:33 GMT 1
They will end up with a fine that will be a small drop in the ocean for them.
This is the chance to make an example of it. But it will not happen.
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Post by alexdire on Feb 6, 2023 13:57:06 GMT 1
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Post by Dan on Feb 6, 2023 13:58:35 GMT 1
My initial thought was, oh well nothing will happen. But I've just read this Twitter thread from Nick Harris who knows his stuff on this sort of thing and now I'm not so sure.... ------ Nick Harris @sportingintel OH MY GOD. Massive Premier League statement here in full premierleague.com/news/3045970The ALLEGATIONS are basically: Man City cooked their books for years, made inappropriate manager and player payments, dodged FFP and didn't co-operate with PL investigations For anyone saying "Nothing will happen", well this IS something happening. A massive raft of charges arising from Man City systematically cooking their books for years, as some of us have repeatedly reported. PL opened their investigation into City's alleged widespread cheating on 8 March 2019, so it's been almost four full years to reach this point. If found guilty as charged (if ... City will lawyer up as ever, then go to CAS), I guess ANY punishment possible. It can't be over-stated too much what a significant move this is for the PL. It's taken 4 years. There are soooo many charges. It hasn't been done lightly. The cop-out option would've been heaving fine for non-cooperation with investigation. This is NOT that. It's dozens and dozens of serious allegations about long-term and widespread book-cooking. The ramifications for all concerned could be massive, including for Pep, who has been assured City never did anything wrong ... As for sanctions ... IF found guilty. They really could be anything from huge fines to transfer bans and spending limits, to docked points to stripped titles. Of course City will lawyer-up, yet again. Their legal obfuscation is why this has taken 4 years. So many intriguing questions on City's cheating now, including but not only: will it finally be exposed that they lied at the CAS hearing that got their 2-year Champions League ban overturned. Can perjury be added to the charge sheet? |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 6, 2023 14:07:57 GMT 1
Football authorities want all the money coming in, being spent etc etc..
The top 6 need city, the rest of the premier league needs the top 6.
The championship needs the lure of the money of the premier league, the first division needs the championship because if you get there you are one season away from the promised land.
City cheating with money that everyone else wants to come into the game is the obvious continuation of football becoming money first and foremost.
Biting the hands that are feeding, even if they are cheating, is unlikely to happen in the end.
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Post by softboy on Feb 6, 2023 14:11:37 GMT 1
City can afford far better lawyers than the PL can so at the end of the day they will get away with whatever they have alleged to have done. They can just keep on appealing any decision till they eventually win their case!
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Feb 6, 2023 14:12:10 GMT 1
Let’s hope they get severely punished. Footballs ducked.
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Post by chadders51 on Feb 6, 2023 14:28:49 GMT 1
Stoke to be awarded the 2011 FA Cup 😊😊😊
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Post by Drew Peacock on Feb 6, 2023 14:42:03 GMT 1
It'll be a £50k fine and a stern telling off, jobs a good en.
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Post by Dan on Feb 6, 2023 14:48:58 GMT 1
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 6, 2023 15:03:35 GMT 1
I know this is an incredibly minor point, & I'm sure Man City aren't the only club doing stuff like this, but, probably around 2010, a temp working in our office had an 8 year old son who was in Blackburn's academy, she told me (& I've no reason to think she'd lie about it, though nothing to back it up either) that Man City offered her £12k per annum to take her kid to City, they would put her husband on the payroll as an assistant groundsman, obviously without him having to go in to work.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 6, 2023 15:08:15 GMT 1
Roll on the ESL is a more likely outcome...
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 6, 2023 15:13:00 GMT 1
Chelsea have spunked 600m in six months. No accounting can make that right They have given 7 year contracts to players for a reason. That and spreading payments over a few years can keep you within FFP. Very good point. I presume you're an accountant of some description? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 15:13:06 GMT 1
The timing's a bit suspect - 24 hours before the white paper on football governance was due to be published. Perhaps that's why the PL are finally showing their hand now, of all times.
The whole thing stinks. Hope they all go bust.
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Post by Niggled on Feb 6, 2023 16:05:34 GMT 1
Stoke to be awarded the 2011 FA Cup 😊😊😊 They only cheated from 2012 chadders. Typical eh ,. |
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Post by krtek on Feb 6, 2023 16:07:37 GMT 1
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