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Post by shawsie on Feb 17, 2023 12:15:58 GMT 1
Said this on whatsapp last night, its exactly the same message as "you no train wi intensity you no be in ma team" but delivered in a way that invites players to get on board and builds trust, rather than just coming across as a threat. The bollockings can (and will) come but not before you've built a level of respect and trust. Siewert and Fotheringham both failed miserably on that front, diving in two footed.Ive never been a pro footballer ( should have been!  ) but I can imagine what its like in a changing room and what players are like when a new manager comes into a club. Someone like Fotheringham and Seivert ( and to be fair Wagner and Corboran too ) their initial mindset will be " Who are you? What have you ever done? You're bollocking me but what level did you play at? " Because theyre novices with almost no track record to speak of, they have to earn the players respect before they can get away with bollockings. Warnock was never much of a player but as a manager hes become legendary and there wont be a player in there who doesnt have a lot of respect for him and his opinions right from day 1. That must make a huge difference. Id have been happy with Lampard too for the same reason, although his instant respect would have been through his playing career rather than anything hes done as manager. But in a changing room he'd have had the same awe about him that Warnock has. Therein lies the problem for me - footballers at times seem to think if you werent a great player we cant respect you as a coach! Very few great managers were great players - they get frustrated at others not doing what they could. With the money now in the game they just ignore bollockings and trouser the cash! Warnock is old school but with a twist - he knows the club needs a pick me up but woe betide anyone who slackens off in the coming weeks. They simply wont play and like he did with Starbuck first time around he wont care one jot if its the most talented he leaves out cos the team as a whole benefits. Hes brilliant at creating a siege mentality - us against the world and driving results accordingly - he needs to be because right now anyone putting money on us to stop up must have more money than sense!!! We live in hope though........................ |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 17, 2023 12:22:02 GMT 1
Ive never been a pro footballer ( should have been! ) but I can imagine what its like in a changing room and what players are like when a new manager comes into a club. Someone like Fotheringham and Seivert ( and to be fair Wagner and Corboran too ) their initial mindset will be " Who are you? What have you ever done? You're bollocking me but what level did you play at? " Because theyre novices with almost no track record to speak of, they have to earn the players respect before they can get away with bollockings. Warnock was never much of a player but as a manager hes become legendary and there wont be a player in there who doesnt have a lot of respect for him and his opinions right from day 1. That must make a huge difference. Id have been happy with Lampard too for the same reason, although his instant respect would have been through his playing career rather than anything hes done as manager. But in a changing room he'd have had the same awe about him that Warnock has. Therein lies the problem for me - footballers at times seem to think if you werent a great player we cant respect you as a coach! Very few great managers were great players - they get frustrated at others not doing what they could. With the money now in the game they just ignore bollockings and trouser the cash! Warnock is old school but with a twist - he knows the club needs a pick me up but woe betide anyone who slackens off in the coming weeks. They simply wont play and like he did with Starbuck first time around he wont care one jot if its the most talented he leaves out cos the team as a whole benefits.Hes brilliant at creating a siege mentality - us against the world and driving results accordingly - he needs to be because right now anyone putting money on us to stop up must have more money than sense!!! We live in hope though........................ That says to me its not just the players who think like that, its the fans too. Fotheringham had the same approach to anyone he saw as slacking.. you didnt get in the team... camara being a likely case to use possibly.. and amongst the fans he got pelters for that. Warnock, because of his history and the respect hes earned with that, would be praised for the exact same thing. |
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Post by ambryboy on Feb 17, 2023 12:26:20 GMT 1
the clips that always do the rounds from that documentary while he was at Sheffield United as well are always the ones where he's shouting. I watched it again the other night and there's so much more to him on show there. The videos (DVDs now) of his two seasons have loads of examples of laughing and joking with the players. Particularly like the bingo on the way to an away match and picking up players (Clayts?) on the way. "Get back off so we can film you getting on properly". The original bingo machine picking Chris Billy to play, massive cheer from the other players on the coach. Kickabout with local kids at either an away match or on way to Wembley, can't remember which. My first full season was the last at Leeds Road so there's probably a LOT of rose-tinting going on but watching those DVDs STILL gives me goosebumps, or pimples as Colin calls them  Hopefully it's part of his 'keeping it real' approach, I think too many of today's footballers are wrapped in cotton wool and far too mollycoddled. I hate to see footage of players arriving with their headphones on and would much rather have 'real' footballers putting their boots on in the coach for a kick around at the local rec. |
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Post by willo on Feb 17, 2023 12:28:08 GMT 1
Was 100% on board with Neil’s appointment from the word go but having watched that now, different class to some of our recent managers. One or two memories shared but he’s not here for a trip down memory lane and knows he’s here to do a job. If the players can’t get up for Neil Warnock, they can’t get up for any manager. Stadium should be rocking tomorrow. UTT
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Post by mosher on Feb 17, 2023 12:30:44 GMT 1
Was 100% on board with Neil’s appointment from the word go but having watched that now, different class to some of our recent managers. One or two memories shared but he’s not here for a trip down memory lane and knows he’s here to do a job. If the players can’t get up for Neil Warnock, they can’t get up for any manager. Stadium should be rocking tomorrow. UTT First home match I've looked forward to all season. Even if the players are just as shit the atmosphere is going to be on another level. At least to start with. I just hope we fans don't turn nasty if the level of football hasn't improved. Reading on here though, I'm quietly confident that Colin is going to given A LOT of leeway by us, thankfully. |
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Post by stinkypete on Feb 17, 2023 12:38:09 GMT 1
Therein lies the problem for me - footballers at times seem to think if you werent a great player we cant respect you as a coach! Very few great managers were great players - they get frustrated at others not doing what they could. With the money now in the game they just ignore bollockings and trouser the cash! Warnock is old school but with a twist - he knows the club needs a pick me up but woe betide anyone who slackens off in the coming weeks. They simply wont play and like he did with Starbuck first time around he wont care one jot if its the most talented he leaves out cos the team as a whole benefits.Hes brilliant at creating a siege mentality - us against the world and driving results accordingly - he needs to be because right now anyone putting money on us to stop up must have more money than sense!!! We live in hope though........................ That says to me its not just the players who think like that, its the fans too. Fotheringham had the same approach to anyone he saw as slacking.. you didnt get in the team... camara being a likely case to use possibly.. and amongst the fans he got pelters for that. Warnock, because of his history and the respect hes earned with that, would be praised for the exact same thing. I think Fotheringham’s problem was that he didn’t come across as very likeable or approachable either, whereas Warnock gives you the impression that he actually cares about his players on a personal level as well as a professional one. He also, like you say, demands respect from what he’s achieved throughout his managerial career. I hope he can get these players running through brick walls for him. |
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Post by Moooooy on Feb 17, 2023 12:51:58 GMT 1
Was 100% on board with Neil’s appointment from the word go but having watched that now, different class to some of our recent managers. One or two memories shared but he’s not here for a trip down memory lane and knows he’s here to do a job. If the players can’t get up for Neil Warnock, they can’t get up for any manager. Stadium should be rocking tomorrow. UTT First home match I've looked forward to all season. Even if the players are just as shit the atmosphere is going to be on another level. At least to start with. I just hope we fans don't turn nasty if the level of football hasn't improved. Reading on here though, I'm quietly confident that Colin is going to given A LOT of leeway by us, thankfully. Even if we go down Warnock will not be to blame. The players have nowhere to hide, they’ve been given an easy ride because other people (Hoyle, Bromby, Schofield, Fotheringham) have taken all the flak. The fans will be 100% behind Warnock and if the players don’t respond then the frustration will be rightly focussed on them. I’m very sceptical as to whether these players have the fight in the them to drag us out of this, but if it is there Warnock will find it. |
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Post by shawsie on Feb 17, 2023 13:13:26 GMT 1
Therein lies the problem for me - footballers at times seem to think if you werent a great player we cant respect you as a coach! Very few great managers were great players - they get frustrated at others not doing what they could. With the money now in the game they just ignore bollockings and trouser the cash! Warnock is old school but with a twist - he knows the club needs a pick me up but woe betide anyone who slackens off in the coming weeks. They simply wont play and like he did with Starbuck first time around he wont care one jot if its the most talented he leaves out cos the team as a whole benefits.Hes brilliant at creating a siege mentality - us against the world and driving results accordingly - he needs to be because right now anyone putting money on us to stop up must have more money than sense!!! We live in hope though........................ That says to me its not just the players who think like that, its the fans too. Fotheringham had the same approach to anyone he saw as slacking.. you didnt get in the team... camara being a likely case to use possibly.. and amongst the fans he got pelters for that. Warnock, because of his history and the respect hes earned with that, would be praised for the exact same thing. Dont disagree - the media also perpetuate the myth. The number of times ex pro's in the media either say words or are quoted to the effect of "hes never done it so will struggle to establish respect in the dressing room" or "so and so was a great player and leader on the pitch so he will immediately command respect as a boss" - its nonsense not helped by managers no longer getting any time to construct something. Some would argue MF was dealt a shite hand and was not allowed any time to develop things ..............but his consistent drivel off the pitch allied to a toxicity in the stands and no results drove that more i would suggest. |
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 17, 2023 13:15:53 GMT 1
That says to me its not just the players who think like that, its the fans too. Fotheringham had the same approach to anyone he saw as slacking.. you didnt get in the team... camara being a likely case to use possibly.. and amongst the fans he got pelters for that. Warnock, because of his history and the respect hes earned with that, would be praised for the exact same thing. I think Fotheringham’s problem was that he didn’t come across as very likeable or approachable either, whereas Warnock gives you the impression that he actually cares about his players on a personal level as well as a professional one. He also, like you say, demands respect from what he’s achieved throughout his managerial career. I hope he can get these players running through brick walls for him. Fotheringham obviously thought carefully about what he was going to say - came across as full scripted robotic nothingness. He's a NOVICE, only to be expected. Warnock on the other hand is entirely comfortable with himself & where he's at, with the benefit of more experience than anyone else in football, and it shows, he rambles on a bit, but its because he's comfortable with what might come out of his mouth, and he's just open and honest and shooting from the hip, rather than coming out with contrived nonsense. If the manager is comfortable with what comes out of his own mouth, and isn't having to think about it too much, it'll hopefully rub off on the players. Training is often about repeating patterns so they become second nature, and when they're second nature and you're not having to think too much, then the outcome on the pitch is often improved. I see the same with Warnock, he's "well trained" as a manager, and what we hear is just his instinct. He knows what he's doing, and more importantly, he knows he knows what he's doing, and doesn't mind sharing that. First half hour tomorrow at least is going to be explosive for sure! And then lets see what happens...he's right in what he says, if we get relegated, it won't be his fault, so we might as well lean back and enjoy the ride and see where it takes us. |
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Post by hthp on Feb 17, 2023 13:21:45 GMT 1
Was 100% on board with Neil’s appointment from the word go but having watched that now, different class to some of our recent managers. One or two memories shared but he’s not here for a trip down memory lane and knows he’s here to do a job. If the players can’t get up for Neil Warnock, they can’t get up for any manager. Stadium should be rocking tomorrow. UTT Simon Collins said exactly the same thing. |
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Post by stevvy on Feb 17, 2023 13:27:21 GMT 1
the clips that always do the rounds from that documentary while he was at Sheffield United as well are always the ones where he's shouting. I watched it again the other night and there's so much more to him on show there. The videos (DVDs now) of his two seasons have loads of examples of laughing and joking with the players. Particularly like the bingo on the way to an away match and picking up players (Clayts?) on the way. "Get back off so we can film you getting on properly". The original bingo machine picking Chris Billy to play, massive cheer from the other players on the coach. Kickabout with local kids at either an away match or on way to Wembley, can't remember which. My first full season was the last at Leeds Road so there's probably a LOT of rose-tinting going on but watching those DVDs STILL gives me goosebumps, or pimples as Colin calls them For some reason I'm thinking most of that was in relation to Cambridge away, might have been the last away game of the season. Can't forget him getting the players to drink a glass of egg and sherry |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Feb 17, 2023 13:27:48 GMT 1
Hasn’t managed a game yet, but I already wish he’d been appointed 6 weeks ago.
Would’ve halved the odds on us staying up
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 17, 2023 13:29:39 GMT 1
I think Fotheringham’s problem was that he didn’t come across as very likeable or approachable either, whereas Warnock gives you the impression that he actually cares about his players on a personal level as well as a professional one. He also, like you say, demands respect from what he’s achieved throughout his managerial career. I hope he can get these players running through brick walls for him.
Warnock on the other hand is entirely comfortable with himself & where he's at, with the benefit of more experience than anyone else in football, and it shows, he rambles on a bit, but its because he's comfortable with what might come out of his mouth, and he's just open and honest and shooting from the hip, rather than coming out with contrived nonsense.If the manager is comfortable with what comes out of his own mouth, and isn't having to think about it too much, it'll hopefully rub off on the players. Training is often about repeating patterns so they become second nature, and when they're second nature and you're not having to think too much, then the outcome on the pitch is often improved. I see the same with Warnock, he's "well trained" as a manager, and what we hear is just his instinct. He knows what he's doing, and more importantly, he knows he knows what he's doing, and doesn't mind sharing that. First half hour tomorrow at least is going to be explosive for sure! And then lets see what happens...he's right in what he says, if we get relegated, it won't be his fault, so we might as well lean back and enjoy the ride and see where it takes us. I think thats so right. You could tell doing the media stuff was such a toil for Fotheringham. He was dreadfully tense and unnatural and like you say almost robotic. Saying what he thought he should say, rather than what he probably felt like saying. Just came across as really awkward and uncomfortable.. and when youre like that people simply dont believe you and pick away at every word. Compare that to Warnock , who is totally relaxed, totally confident in who he is, what hes saying. Polar opposite really. He might be saying the same thing, but how he does it just gets a very different response. Remember when MF criticised his 'Japanese defender' after one game and got mullered for it by the fans. Think at the time I made the point that if Brian Clough had said the exact same thing ( or Warnock for that matter ) it would have been welcomed by the fans and they'd have seen it as endearing.. something to like the manager for, not criticise him about. |
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Post by Dan on Feb 17, 2023 13:35:44 GMT 1
Hasn’t managed a game yet, but I already wish he’d been appointed 6 weeks ago. Would’ve halved the odds on us staying up He wouldn't have come 6 weeks ago |
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Post by dugnet on Feb 17, 2023 13:40:32 GMT 1
Hasn’t managed a game yet, but I already wish he’d been appointed 6 weeks ago. Would’ve halved the odds on us staying up I do think had Neil had the January window our chance of survival would have been significantly better. Can he fund a way with this group? You know he'll try, and that is all we ca ask. He has certainly made me smile in the last 24 hours, which has been a rarity this season. I hope he succeeds, for lots of reasons. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 17, 2023 13:43:18 GMT 1
Hasn’t managed a game yet, but I already wish he’d been appointed 6 weeks ago. Would’ve halved the odds on us staying up I do think had Neil had the January window our chance of survival would have been significantly better. Can he fund a way with this group? You know he'll try, and that is all we ca ask. He has certainly made me smile in the last 24 hours, which has been a rarity this season. I hope he succeeds, for lots of reasons. Agree with this on all points. With his contacts it’s likely we would have had many more choices through the January window. |
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Post by dugnet on Feb 17, 2023 13:44:52 GMT 1
I do think had Neil had the January window our chance of survival would have been significantly better. Can he fund a way with this group? You know he'll try, and that is all we ca ask. He has certainly made me smile in the last 24 hours, which has been a rarity this season. I hope he succeeds, for lots of reasons. Agree with this on all points. With his contacts it’s likely we would have had many more choices through the January window. He would have said "we are in a mess, I need him, him, him and him", none of this "project player" or "he might do a job". But we are where we are. |
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Post by k1man999 on Feb 17, 2023 14:01:42 GMT 1
Hasn’t managed a game yet, but I already wish he’d been appointed 6 weeks ago. Would’ve halved the odds on us staying up He wouldn't have come 6 weeks ago I think if he'd been asked and the deal was right he would have,it's in his blood And being able to get one or two of his own players. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Feb 17, 2023 14:32:11 GMT 1
Ultimately he came in when he came in, we cant change the past.
Our chances of staying up increase massively with him here and if we don’t then Im positive he will put things in place to stop us going into total freefall and at least be able to push on next season.
Brilliant appointment regardless of the outcome.
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Post by iangreaves on Feb 17, 2023 14:41:29 GMT 1
He said in his press conference there were one or two players he liked who haven't been playing. Any guesses on who they are?
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Post by upthetown on Feb 17, 2023 14:44:40 GMT 1
He said in his press conference there were one or two players he liked who haven't been playing. Any guesses on who they are? Nicholls Anjorin Yuta Turton |
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Post by terriers2000 on Feb 17, 2023 14:49:30 GMT 1
He said in his press conference there were one or two players he liked who haven't been playing. Any guesses on who they are? Rolando Aarons Tyreese Simpson or Florian Kamberi |
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Feb 17, 2023 15:19:11 GMT 1
He said in his press conference there were one or two players he liked who haven't been playing. Any guesses on who they are? Jon Russell and Sorba Thomas |
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Post by conman on Feb 17, 2023 15:22:32 GMT 1
He said in his press conference there were one or two players he liked who haven't been playing. Any guesses on who they are? Big Frank and Jimmy Nic |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 17, 2023 15:26:36 GMT 1
He said in his press conference there were one or two players he liked who haven't been playing. Any guesses on who they are? Camara and Kasumu |
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Post by midge on Feb 17, 2023 15:31:12 GMT 1
Ive never been a pro footballer ( should have been! ) but I can imagine what its like in a changing room and what players are like when a new manager comes into a club. Someone like Fotheringham and Seivert ( and to be fair Wagner and Corboran too ) their initial mindset will be " Who are you? What have you ever done? You're bollocking me but what level did you play at? " Because theyre novices with almost no track record to speak of, they have to earn the players respect before they can get away with bollockings. Warnock was never much of a player but as a manager hes become legendary and there wont be a player in there who doesnt have a lot of respect for him and his opinions right from day 1. That must make a huge difference. Id have been happy with Lampard too for the same reason, although his instant respect would have been through his playing career rather than anything hes done as manager. But in a changing room he'd have had the same awe about him that Warnock has. Therein lies the problem for me - footballers at times seem to think if you werent a great player we cant respect you as a coach! Very few great managers were great players - they get frustrated at others not doing what they could. With the money now in the game they just ignore bollockings and trouser the cash! Warnock is old school but with a twist - he knows the club needs a pick me up but woe betide anyone who slackens off in the coming weeks. They simply wont play and like he did with Starbuck first time around he wont care one jot if its the most talented he leaves out cos the team as a whole benefits. Hes brilliant at creating a siege mentality - us against the world and driving results accordingly - he needs to be because right now anyone putting money on us to stop up must have more money than sense!!! We live in hope though........................ Interesting conversation on this and but just to add to that did you hear the Ashley Williams interview interview re his time with Nathan Jones at Stoke? He basically said that there were some fairly big characters in that dressing room- him, Charlie Adam and the like and that Jones went in and basically said ‘you boys have have achieved a lot in the game, what can I tell you’!? So basically it wasn’t that they didn’t respect him for being a rookie coach, they disrespected him for coming in with an inferiority complex!!! From that you would conclude that if a manager comes in with confidence and a plan which he can deliver on, the players will get on board no matter what level he has or hasn’t played at. Obviously Warnock is different as because he can command respect immediately because of his managerial achievements but wion’t have always been like that in his early career and he didn’t achieve much as a player!? |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 17, 2023 15:34:12 GMT 1
He said in his press conference there were one or two players he liked who haven't been playing. Any guesses on who they are? By saying that all the players on the fringe will wonder if it's them. They'll be putting in that extra % |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Feb 17, 2023 15:38:19 GMT 1
He said in his press conference there were one or two players he liked who haven't been playing. Any guesses on who they are? Camara and Kasumu Be interesting to see what he does with Camara. Camara was simply awful, but more to the point, visibly disinterested against Wigan. Not expecting to to see le sulky Frenchman anytime soon unless he has an epiphany. |
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Post by dezzly on Feb 17, 2023 15:46:16 GMT 1
Be interesting to see what he does with Camara. Camara was simply awful, but more to the point, visibly disinterested against Wigan. Not expecting to to see le sulky Frenchman anytime soon unless he has an epiphany. Think he may have been who kenny muller was alluding to on that radio interview when said someone needed to concentrate on the football and ignore the noise,there was interest in January I think. If warnock can use his powers of man management to get him focused he starts every week for me. If not he can’t play as we definitely can’t be carrying players. Better known as kenny miller |
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Post by runner76 on Feb 17, 2023 15:46:38 GMT 1
he has a 41% win rate, 32% loss and 27% draw.
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15 games
6 wins - 18 points
5 losses - 0 points
4 draws - 4 points
22 points
currently on 28 =
50 points and safety
WELL DONE NEIL!!!!!
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