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Post by flevans on Mar 4, 2023 19:58:33 GMT 1
I am now formally pinning all my hopes and dreams for the season on Forest and Leeds getting relegated
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Post by hthp on Mar 4, 2023 19:59:36 GMT 1
Buxton yes did a good recovery job, but the part that is always missed is the amazing job greaves did. Streets ahead of Buxton, produced two England internationals. If he’d been backed there would have been no need for a Buxton. History eerily repeats itself with this club. When Bill Shankly was at Town he went to the board asking for money to bring two new players in, the board said no so when he left and went to Liverpool they gave him the money and he brought in the two players he wanted at Town, the players were Ron Yates and Ian St John and the rest is history. History does repeat itself. Not quite true. The board were divided and the vote tied, however, the chairman had casting vote so he voted against!! |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 4, 2023 20:00:00 GMT 1
I am now formally pinning all my hopes and dreams for the season on Forest and Leeds getting relegated Only now? 😉 |
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Post by 28901 on Mar 4, 2023 20:02:22 GMT 1
Demoralising stuff, has that result and wins for Rotherham and Cardiff all but seemed our fate? Feels like it to me. And to think you were all positive midweek. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 4, 2023 20:07:25 GMT 1
First 10 mins there was a bit of optimism, defence coping OK, a bit of drive from our midfield. Then one crap mistake, for me caused by the fact the defender didn’t use his natural foot to play the ball. From that point it drained any confidence from the team, not helped by the early substitution, but that shouldn’t have been a problem. Ultimately our confidence is paper thin. I think we were on the  of optimism caused by Warnock returning v Brum, but today all the previous weaknesses came back into play. The league table doesn’t lie, we’ve been crap for the majority of the season. As is usual, we’ve had fleeting glances of capability, but we’ve never been able to push on. The biggest worry for me is that we’ve been outplayed by so many teams this season, simply because they had a structure & a game plan. Most of the games I’ve seen, it feels like we lack any sort of plan, and the team are a bunch of strangers who haven’t trained before. It’s sort of reminiscent of a weekly 5-a-side with your mates, turning up for a kick about. Most other sides are much crisper than us, less pensive. We’re fast running out of games now, so if as seems likely we do go down, hopefully that might be confirmed a few games before the end of the season so we can get a head start on planning. There was a post on here about their supporters being the best at the JSS last season. After today I think they’re nailed on for that accolade this time, they were in fine voice throughout. Always helps when you’re in the driving seat, but the club need to take heed of things like this if they’re asking the crowd to be the twelfth man for Town. Get it right on the pitch & the support will back you.Lastly, a word of praise for the Ref today. Despite a couple of pedantic moments I thought he was pretty fair & did a good job. He also realised that any more than 3 mins of added time would have just been sticking the knife in. Roll on Tuesday, feels like a win or bust to me. UTT!!! It really fucking grated on me when the first thing the half time announcer (who is now about as funny as a dose of Ebola) said was a thinly veiled criticism of the fans. What, precisely, did he expect the crowd to be like, given the team selection and the first half display? Like a Champions League night at Galatasaray in the mid 90s? Absolute cretin. Maybe it was the misery of that first half performance but I felt the same. Those awful dizzy penalties are starting to grate on me as well. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 4, 2023 20:09:04 GMT 1
First 10 mins there was a bit of optimism, defence coping OK, a bit of drive from our midfield. Then one crap mistake, for me caused by the fact the defender didn’t use his natural foot to play the ball. From that point it drained any confidence from the team, not helped by the early substitution, but that shouldn’t have been a problem. Ultimately our confidence is paper thin. I think we were on the of optimism caused by Warnock returning v Brum, but today all the previous weaknesses came back into play. The league table doesn’t lie, we’ve been crap for the majority of the season. As is usual, we’ve had fleeting glances of capability, but we’ve never been able to push on. The biggest worry for me is that we’ve been outplayed by so many teams this season, simply because they had a structure & a game plan. Most of the games I’ve seen, it feels like we lack any sort of plan, and the team are a bunch of strangers who haven’t trained before. It’s sort of reminiscent of a weekly 5-a-side with your mates, turning up for a kick about. Most other sides are much crisper than us, less pensive. We’re fast running out of games now, so if as seems likely we do go down, hopefully that might be confirmed a few games before the end of the season so we can get a head start on planning. There was a post on here about their supporters being the best at the JSS last season. After today I think they’re nailed on for that accolade this time, they were in fine voice throughout. Always helps when you’re in the driving seat, but the club need to take heed of things like this if they’re asking the crowd to be the twelfth man for Town. Get it right on the pitch & the support will back you.Lastly, a word of praise for the Ref today. Despite a couple of pedantic moments I thought he was pretty fair & did a good job. He also realised that any more than 3 mins of added time would have just been sticking the knife in. Roll on Tuesday, feels like a win or bust to me. UTT!!! It really fucking grated on me when the first thing the half time announcer (who is now about as funny as a dose of Ebola) said was a thinly veiled criticism of the fans. What, precisely, did he expect the crowd to be like, given the team selection and the first half display? Like a Champions League night at Galatasaray in the mid 90s? Absolute cretin. The first ten minutes has to be reproduced in periods throughout the game. Coventry looked as poor as us under pressure but it was so little and short lasting. Hugely disappointing and we left before I got annoyed, they lack care so my venting wouldnt help. To those who thought giving away a game at Burnley and resting players was ever a good idea, then you reap what you sow. Warnocks last management job??? Its just hope that something happens for us. |
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Post by willo on Mar 4, 2023 20:09:07 GMT 1
Buxton yes did a good recovery job, but the part that is always missed is the amazing job greaves did. Streets ahead of Buxton, produced two England internationals. If he’d been backed there would have been no need for a Buxton. History eerily repeats itself with this club. When Bill Shankly was at Town he went to the board asking for money to bring two new players in, the board said no so when he left and went to Liverpool they gave him the money and he brought in the two players he wanted at Town, the players were Ron Yates and Ian St John and the rest is history. History does repeat itself. This story has gone down in Town folklore, I remember my old man telling me about it as he was following Town at the time. History does seem to repeat itself where Town are concerned and it’s usually because we have never learned the lesson that to accumulate, you first have to speculate. If it can be done on the cheap, we will do it on the cheap. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 4, 2023 20:12:54 GMT 1
Feels like the end for our season to me after watching that today.
I try to be positive but that was such an abject performance across all areas of the pitch.
Seldom have I felt embarrassed watching Town, but at 0-3 and listening to the Coventry fans singing “you’re ******* s***” I left the ground and set off for home.
I respect NW and none of this mess is his fault obviously but I fail to understand how he can justify picking High or why he didn’t make wholesale changes at half time today.
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Post by dugnet on Mar 4, 2023 20:15:31 GMT 1
I don't know what I expected today but I'm pretty sure I didn't expect such a spineless pitiful effort.
I looked at Neil and Ronnie's body language and I don't think they can quite believe what they have inherited. In truth to have any fighting chance they needed to be brought in early January.
It's all been said but it is shameful how we got ourselves into this mess. Unfortunately we are in this mess and it's how we stop the rot and turn this round long term that is important. Those in charge need to do the decent thing and give the club a chance of starting again.
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Post by space hardware on Mar 4, 2023 20:16:59 GMT 1
It really fucking grated on me when the first thing the half time announcer (who is now about as funny as a dose of Ebola) said was a thinly veiled criticism of the fans. What, precisely, did he expect the crowd to be like, given the team selection and the first half display? Like a Champions League night at Galatasaray in the mid 90s? Absolute cretin. The first ten minutes has to be reproduced in periods throughout the game. Coventry looked as poor as us under pressure but it was so little and short lasting. Hugely disappointing and we left before I got annoyed, they lack care so my venting wouldnt help. To those who thought giving away a game at Burnley and resting players was ever a good idea, then you reap what you sow. Warnocks last management job??? Its just hope that something happens for us. It's also hard to know whether Coventry were any good, given how terrible we were after the reasonable (let's not sugar coat it) opening. They passed the ball as badly as we did, maybe even worse (I lost count of how many times they passed the ball straight out of play). They won 4-0 without having to do anything special. A really bad day at the office. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 4, 2023 20:18:16 GMT 1
I don't know what I expected today but I'm pretty sure I didn't expect such a spineless pitiful effort. I looked at Neil and Ronnie's body language and I don't think they can quite believe what they have inherited. In truth to have any fighting chance they needed to be brought in early January. It's all been said but it is shameful how we got ourselves into this mess. Unfortunately we are in this mess and it's how we stop the rot and turn this round long term that is important. Those in charge need to do the decent thing and give the club a chance of starting again. I agree. There was a massive difference in NW’s body language today compared to the last home game. It would seem to me he’s now had the time to realise just how poor we are. |
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Post by ACW on Mar 4, 2023 20:21:34 GMT 1
If we are going to play a direct, get it forward at all costs style, we have to back it up with lots of energy, desire and commitment. Because we are going to have poor passing accuracy rates and we won't control the game/opposition with any sustained possession.
We did this against Birmingham, although our pass completion rate was pretty dire. Today we were second to everything, all over the park. Combining an inability to keep the ball for more than two passes, with an inability to compete and win 50/50s is a recipe for disaster. Even in second gear Coventry were sharper than us in almost every aspect of the game.
I didn't think we played much footie against Birmingham, but we looked committed and determined. We gave the ball away alot, but made up for this with hard work and quality finishing. Today we continued to be utterly inept in possession, but compounded that with a lack of energy/desire when Coventry had the ball.
We are a technically poor side that looks scared of the ball. We look weak out of possession too, failing to track runners, allowing the opposition far too much time/space and making some ridiculous individual errors. It's no wonder we are plummeting into League One.
Watching Tom Lee's continually throwing the ball onto Coventry's players heads when he had Diarra stood close by and waiting for a ball into feet was soul-destroying. Yet, this is just one example of how our players can't master the basics of football. We look like a pub team at times with the way we approach games. Kick and not much chase.
It was awful watching the stands emptying from 15 mins into the second half. The amount of fans leaving the South Stand was shocking. I stayed until the end, but I don't blame those that left early. We never looked remotely like we had the wherewithal to get a result today.
Other results weren't kind to us, but I don't think that matters. We have to take control of our own destiny, and I don't think we have anywhere near the quality - individually or collectively - to do that.
If Warnock can keep this lot up, it will be up there with his best ever achievements.
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Post by space hardware on Mar 4, 2023 20:22:08 GMT 1
4 out of the last 5 performances don't happen under fozza.. We would be still in touch under fozza, despite the at times really poor football. The decisions made this year from the 1st of July onwards have been bizarre and rudderless with zero plan whatsoever. Which games, since he was sacked, do you think we'd have won, if he were still here? The last six games he had, we took three points. We might have taken a point at Wigan. And that's it. The guy was taking us down. All those games where we were "in touch" during his time, not once did we get out of the relegation zone. Not once. |
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Post by 28901 on Mar 4, 2023 20:23:15 GMT 1
scott high is an awful footballer, if we released him, he'd be in the conference at best. The only thing he does is run, other than that he offers nothing. Bilokapic shouldn't be playing on tuesday, Vaclik on one leg is a better option, Nichols with one arm is probably still ahead. I don't think Bilo is a bad keeper, he's just not ready yet. out of the others Lowton- past it, even further past it when he's on the left lees- Last season must have been a fluke surely? he looks scared when anything is near him, probably past it Helik- He might be high up on the interceptions statistics and whatever, but he isn't a good defender, he's big and highly limited Pearson- looks lost on the left of a back three headley- game changed when he went off, we were unbalanced with him, ever more so when he went off hogg- likes blaming others when he causes a lot of problems with poor passes or aimless passes, probably past it rudoni- hustle and bustle but no real quality, i'd be surprised if he scores this season, I can see why Town liked him, but I can also see we over paid for someone who isn't ready for this level Ward- pointless playing him, Warnock likes him, but he doesn't offer anything, hardly won a header this season, absolute shadow of last seasons player like Lees Hungbo- He probably should have gone left wing back, i'm sure he's done it elsewhere, still very raw. Don't think he's a striker subs- Diarra- not a wing back, not ready for Championship football, I think his 'skill' and 'technique' is to bundle his way past players at the moment, he maybe is a final 30mins impact player at best rhodes- should have probably done better with the header, but ward should have been putting it at goal not behind rhodes. I think rhodes has to start ahead of ward, if that means hungbo dropping back to put a bigger man up top with rhodes then so be it. Simpson and Camara- I didn't see much of to be fair I'm still amazed high got a full 90 Pretty much all this |
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Post by kennyk2 on Mar 4, 2023 20:23:44 GMT 1
Phoned my father who is approaching 92 and the first thing he said was, "Ohhhh... what would my father say?". My grandfather started watching them when they entered the league in 1908 and went to every home game. This got me thinking... these players have let down, the fans, ex players, the town of Huddersfield, and even the long dead who must be turning in their graves. What a shambles.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 4, 2023 20:31:48 GMT 1
Walking back to the car after the game, via that path to Wakefield Rd that runs underneath Kilner Bank.
Spotted a disused road sign dumped in the woods, a big fecking arrow. I probably don’t need to tell you which way the arrow was pointing.. 😉
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Post by 28901 on Mar 4, 2023 20:33:20 GMT 1
Football for most clubs goes through cycles. We're on a massive down swing and it will only get worse. Those stonewall penalties not awarded at Wembley (despite VAR) will be seen as massively pivotal in our club's history. I can only see lower league football now for years, probably decades ahead. Time to find something else to do on a Saturday methinks. Brighouse Town for me |
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Post by 28901 on Mar 4, 2023 20:36:36 GMT 1
A even first half spoiled by a shit back pass instead of kicking a bouncing ball the way you are facing. Not sure what was said at half time. Came out looking like we didnt understand the game or had met before. Farcical non defending from a team that always has enough shirts goalside. Game lost and team lost. Warnock mustnt have seen Hamer play 90 minutes unmarked, because everyone else did. Not sure there is a move on from today? It wasn't even in the first half. They were far better than us. |
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Post by softboy on Mar 4, 2023 20:36:56 GMT 1
Number 1 we would not have lost 2 consecutive games 4 0 under MF. Opinions were all over the place about his ability but this was far worse than anything he served up.
Number 2 Coventry had a pacey winger, once Headley went off we needed somebody to combat. So we move a experience but slow player in Lowton accross, he has already showed he cannot play at left back but hey hoe.
Number 3 Were 1 0 down at half time but non of Rhodes, Simpson, Knockhart came on til we were 3.0 down.
But I guess it was another "free hit" from Warnocks point of view.
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Post by dugnet on Mar 4, 2023 20:38:33 GMT 1
I don't know what I expected today but I'm pretty sure I didn't expect such a spineless pitiful effort. I looked at Neil and Ronnie's body language and I don't think they can quite believe what they have inherited. In truth to have any fighting chance they needed to be brought in early January. It's all been said but it is shameful how we got ourselves into this mess. Unfortunately we are in this mess and it's how we stop the rot and turn this round long term that is important. Those in charge need to do the decent thing and give the club a chance of starting again. I agree. There was a massive difference in NW’s body language today compared to the last home game. It would seem to me he’s now had the time to realise just how poor we are. There are some who are of the opinion that we were capable of better, and should comfortably finish above the drop. I appreciate we have had a poor run of injuries but our individual ineptitude was laid bare today. We are a poor team and squad. When you add the circus that has been going on around the club since last May then it's not really surprising we are in this predicament. As I said we must look long term. By all means keep fighting but the sooner we stop the rot overall the better. |
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Post by hthp on Mar 4, 2023 20:39:59 GMT 1
Phoned my father who is approaching 92 and the first thing he said was, "Ohhhh... what would my father say?". My grandfather started watching them when they entered the league in 1908 and went to every home game. This got me thinking... these players have let down, the fans, ex players, the town of Huddersfield, and even the long dead... they must be turning in their graves. What a shambles. The 1979-80 team were in attendance today too. |
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Post by 28901 on Mar 4, 2023 20:42:54 GMT 1
The same thing happened back in the '70s. Won promotion to the top flight and then dropped like a stone to the bottom of division 4. I can see us going all the way once again. Never mind, by 2030 we will find another Mick Buxton to kick start the long road back. Was it irony, or an omen that Buxton did the h/t draw? I think they said most of the 79/80 team were guests in the White Rose club today as well. Glad we put on a show they’d have been proud of… 😂 Did he? Fuck me. I wish they had said. I stopped off under the kilner as soon as the whistle went Wonder what he thought. |
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Post by shawsie on Mar 4, 2023 20:44:07 GMT 1
Number 1 we would not have lost 2 consecutive games 4 0 under MF. Opinions were all over the place about his ability but this was far worse than anything he served up. Number 2 Coventry had a pacey winger, once Headley went off we needed somebody to combat. So we move a experience but slow player in Lowton accross, he has already showed he cannot play at left back but hey hoe. Number 3 Were 1 0 down at half time but non of Rhodes, Simpson, Knockhart came on til we were 3.0 down. But I guess it was another "free hit" from Warnocks point of view. Whilst i find it difficult to disagree with what you say......is there any chance our players can ever think for themselves?! Today is a huge nail in our own self inflicted coffin.. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Mar 4, 2023 20:44:57 GMT 1
Phoned my father who is approaching 92 and the first thing he said was, "Ohhhh... what would my father say?". My grandfather started watching them when they entered the league in 1908 and went to every home game. This got me thinking... these players have let down, the fans, ex players, the town of Huddersfield, and even the long dead... they must be turning in their graves. What a shambles. The 1979-80 team were in attendance today too. I feel for them... having to watch that atrociousness. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 4, 2023 20:46:11 GMT 1
Was it irony, or an omen that Buxton did the h/t draw? I think they said most of the 79/80 team were guests in the White Rose club today as well. Glad we put on a show they’d have been proud of… 😂 Did he? Fuck me. I wish they had said. I stopped off under the kilner as soon as the whistle went Wonder what he thought. Yeah, he was his usual dour self. When Tog said he had the chance to make a Town fan very happy and a thousand pounds richer, he stopped and pointed out that he’d also be disappointing thousands more supporters… 😂 |
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Post by bluebeard on Mar 4, 2023 20:49:04 GMT 1
The whole show today from top to bottom was poor, absolutely no leadership on the field and the club is sinking fast. Up The Town
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Post by 28901 on Mar 4, 2023 20:51:29 GMT 1
It shows how much of a bunch of cowards they are, that non of them were interviewed after the game. Told you mate some of these players are real scum and are cancer within the club. They need paying up and fucking off asap . Child molesters, rapists, murderers, wife beaters are scum. Have a day off wum. |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Mar 4, 2023 20:51:50 GMT 1
At this moment in time it wouldn't have been a bad idea to have cheap tickets to get as many into the stadium on Tuesday as possible.
Yes, things look pretty hopeless and dire at the moment but one win and three points could change things pretty quickly.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 4, 2023 20:54:44 GMT 1
Think yourselves lucky, I had Blake Welton sat immediately behind me at Sutton this afternoon.
Had a good chat with him actually….
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Post by 28901 on Mar 4, 2023 20:55:13 GMT 1
At this moment in time it wouldn't have been a bad idea to have cheap tickets to get as many into the stadium on Tuesday as possible. Yes, things look pretty hopeless and dire at the moment but one win and three points could change things pretty quickly. You would have to pay me to go Tuesday. Night matches are a pain for me working in Leeds anyway. A dreadful team, almost guaranteed disappointment and minus 5 temps aren't helping. |
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of optimism caused by Warnock returning v Brum, but today all the previous weaknesses came back into play.
