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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 23, 2023 22:24:40 GMT 1
Absolutely no apology from me. Non. You’ve been silent for how long now? Then the club throws a statement out about the sale of the club and all of a sudden everything’s ok? Oh please, I’m not buying the PR horseshit one bit. First of all, the Dutch deal was subject to EFL approval, which they didn’t get. Secondly, the administration threat was real. A bargaining chip quite possibly, but it was used. All of a sudden from the shadows the likes of yourself and that class clown Morley have shown up to tell us how great Hoyle is because the headlines say he’s wrote his debts off, there was no admin and the Americans were always the chosen ones. I’m not fooled by the clubs statement and given the fact that we as fans have been kept in the dark during this entire process is a disgrace. Stadium shares? Canalside? Potential relegation? Who are these owners? These are just some of the questions that need answering. You’re far too easily pleased Pete and you are having the wool well and truly pulled over your eyes. Today is just the start, you can tell me how great Hoyle is and he’s done what’s best for the club…. That’s because he’s had to. Your are so naive, if you want to know all the details of a confidential takeover buy it yourself, you have no right to know these details, buy it yourself if you want to know the details . ” Kept in the dark during this entire process”, this is a transaction of a private company involving confidential details and private individuals conducting their private buisness you have no right to know anything, to me you just come across as a complete entitled clown living in a world where you think you should know everyone’s private affairs.imo. Should we be please with who has taken over port? as i asume you know |
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Post by portugalterrier on Mar 23, 2023 22:28:45 GMT 1
The Dutch deal never went to the EFL, the EFL take weeks to investigate not a couple of days, the deal with the Americans was put together over the weekend after DH completed the share purchase. Are you happy/ excited about this takeover? do you have an idea who has taken over? I’m happy that we have completion , I am led to believe there is certainly a greater possibility of investment that other competing bids and their initial recruitment intent re Director of Football looks encouraging. |
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Post by Dan on Mar 23, 2023 22:31:08 GMT 1
Are you happy/ excited about this takeover? do you have an idea who has taken over? I’m happy that we have completion , I am led to believe there is certainly a greater possibility of investment that other competing bids and their initial recruitment intent re Director of Football looks encouraging. Good news, the choice of Director of Football will be the most important decision they make |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 23, 2023 22:31:23 GMT 1
Are you happy/ excited about this takeover? do you have an idea who has taken over? I’m happy that we have completion , I am led to believe there is certainly a greater possibility of investment that other competing bids and their initial recruitment intent re Director of Football looks encouraging. so this group , have ambition you would say and have a DOF/Mangment structure already in mind ? |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 23, 2023 22:36:20 GMT 1
60 people liked this post. I haven't seen 60 apologies and gagman has been very quiet given his big mouth. DATM has so many sheep and playground bullies. Those of us who believed that Dean would do his best for the club he loves have been vindicated. I wish more folk would be fair, balanced and do their own thinking instead of jumping on the bandwagon. The hysteria and character assassination on here has been truly shameful and embarrassing. Have a nice day Absolutely no apology from me. Non. You’ve been silent for how long now? Then the club throws a statement out about the sale of the club and all of a sudden everything’s ok? Oh please, I’m not buying the PR horseshit one bit. First of all, the Dutch deal was subject to EFL approval, which they didn’t get. Secondly, the administration threat was real. A bargaining chip quite possibly, but it was used. All of a sudden from the shadows the likes of yourself and that class clown Morley have shown up to tell us how great Hoyle is because the headlines say he’s wrote his debts off, there was no admin and the Americans were always the chosen ones. I’m not fooled by the clubs statement and given the fact that we as fans have been kept in the dark during this entire process is a disgrace. Stadium shares? Canalside? Potential relegation? Who are these owners? These are just some of the questions that need answering. You’re far too easily pleased Pete and you are having the wool well and truly pulled over your eyes. Today is just the start, you can tell me how great Hoyle is and he’s done what’s best for the club…. That’s because he’s had to. You've attributed comments to me that I haven't made Ben. Did I say 'everything was ok'? When you're involved in very high stakes negotiations then you have to keep people in the dark. You rely too much on 'inside info' that you take as gospel e.g. the Dutch deal was never put to the EFL for approval Some folk just seem desperate to pour scorn on today's news. Of course there are details that we're still unaware of. I'm a free thinker Ben and say it as I see it |
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Post by H6dds on Mar 23, 2023 22:37:13 GMT 1
Don’t like the attitude at all of a few posters that have come on here just to start a fight tonight.
There are people who have gone over the top on both sides of the argument and that is fine, it’s a forum and all opinions (almost) are allowed. You have had a majority of posters (me included) who have rightfully been very critical of the club and Hoyle and possibly gone a little over the top, then you have had slapps for example who have stood up for his view this entire time and can rightly have a moment of joy now.
But to be absent for months from commenting and then to come on as soon as an opportunity to “be right” appears and post like this stinks imo (and I would think that regardless of what side of the argument I was on). What’s the point? Aren’t we all town fans?
The exact some posters have been using the “hindsight is a wonderful thing”-card every time someone has been critical of the club, but now it suits to come back from the dead riding in on horses higher than fucking Scott.
Some people want to be right more than they want the best for HTAFC I think.
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Post by portugalterrier on Mar 23, 2023 22:37:44 GMT 1
Your are so naive, if you want to know all the details of a confidential takeover buy it yourself, you have no right to know these details, buy it yourself if you want to know the details . ” Kept in the dark during this entire process”, this is a transaction of a private company involving confidential details and private individuals conducting their private buisness you have no right to know anything, to me you just come across as a complete entitled clown living in a world where you think you should know everyone’s private affairs.imo. Should we be please with who has taken over port? as i asume you know They have put a lot of effort and spent a lot of money in getting the deal put together and written up, my contacts have been impressed with all parties involved , there was frustration with the share ownership situation and this has held up the deal. Hoyle has had to spend more money to resolve this issue so you can add this to the money he has written off . |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 23, 2023 22:40:13 GMT 1
Should we be please with who has taken over port? as i asume you know They have put a lot of effort and spent a lot of money in getting the deal put together and written up, my contacts have been impressed with all parties involved , there was frustration with the share ownership situation and this has held up the deal. Hoyle has had to spend more money to resolve this issue so you can add this to the money he has written off . I understand the deal was not as straight forward, as DH thought it would be, in either getting the shares back or selling the club.
I am glad it seems the club has gone to good people, who have ambition for the club to try and grow it further. Is it a group of people or a family? - I guess in a few weeks we will all be aware of who they are...
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Post by rockwall on Mar 23, 2023 22:44:44 GMT 1
All I can gather is this....
DH can make mistake after mistake and those that are obviously close to Dean can never admit that wrong doings on his part left us in a mess.
We have been an embarrassment as a club to the footballing World lately.
But.... he has now written off the debts owed, baring in mind... DH 'I do not expect a penny back'.
All DH fan club now want apologies???
Fuck me...
Over his tenure, he has done lots of good things mixed with lots of bad.
I think everyone has a right to their opinion. Pros and cons are probably equal.
Let's move on. DH has done the best thing. That's all we can ask for.
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Post by portugalterrier on Mar 23, 2023 22:52:25 GMT 1
All I can gather is this.... DH can make mistake after mistake and those that are obviously close to Dean can never admit that wrong doings on his part left us in a mess. We have been an embarrassment as a club to the footballing World lately. But.... he has now written off the debts owed, baring in mind... DH 'I do not expect a penny back'. All DH fan club now want apologies??? Fuck me... Over his tenure, he has done lots of good things mixed with lots of bad. I think everyone has a right to their opinion. Pros and cons are probably equal. Let's move on. DH has done the best thing. That's all we can ask for. “ wrong doings” intimate criminal , DH has certainly made mistakes they certainly aren’t “ wrong doings you really must be joking. |
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Post by haveitback on Mar 23, 2023 22:52:51 GMT 1
All I can gather is this.... DH can make mistake after mistake and those that are obviously close to Dean can never admit that wrong doings on his part left us in a mess. We have been an embarrassment as a club to the footballing World lately. But.... he has now written off the debts owed, baring in mind... DH 'I do not expect a penny back'. All DH fan club now want apologies??? Fuck me... Over his tenure, he has done lots of good things mixed with lots of bad. I think everyone has a right to their opinion. Pros and cons are probably equal. Let's move on. DH has done the best thing. That's all we can ask for. I'd agree with all of what you have written here, I'll be glad when the ink dries and the new owners take us forward even if that means taking a step back, History can't be rewritten I'm now looking forwards with hope and optimism |
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Post by specialun on Mar 23, 2023 22:53:01 GMT 1
Few observations
1. If you write off something worth very little then you can present yourself as someone doing things out of good of your heart. You could also say 10% of £40m is £4m…. What are you really writing off?
2. Avoiding alternative of administration avoids Adminstrators investigating conduct of Directors (have a duty to do so) & any transactions to / with said Directors subjective terms of transactions - sometimes a price to pay for that
But let’s be clear avoiding administration also has to be a positive for the club & fans - seen some nonsense about pre pack sales on here! Absolutely not the solution - credit to those involved for finding a solution if goes through
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 23, 2023 22:54:50 GMT 1
Should we be please with who has taken over port? as i asume you know They have put a lot of effort and spent a lot of money in getting the deal put together and written up, my contacts have been impressed with all parties involved , there was frustration with the share ownership situation and this has held up the deal. Hoyle has had to spend more money to resolve this issue so you can add this to the money he has written off . So considering you seem to know everything about these private affairs (whilst having a pop at someone else for wanting to know them), what has Hoyle been paid for the club and its assets? Because there seems to be a big PR push to say debts written off, but no mention whatsoever on whats been paid for the club. Without both things no judgement can be made on the philanthropy of Hoyle at this time. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Mar 23, 2023 22:57:01 GMT 1
Two observations 1. If you write off something worth very little then you can present yourself as someone doing things out of good of your heart. You could also say 10% of £40m is £4m…. What are you really writing off? 2. Avoiding alternative of administration avoids Adminstrators investigating conduct of Directors & any transactions to / with said Directors - a price to pay for that? FML |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 23, 2023 22:57:18 GMT 1
Should we be please with who has taken over port? as i asume you know They have put a lot of effort and spent a lot of money in getting the deal put together and written up, my contacts have been impressed with all parties involved , there was frustration with the share ownership situation and this has held up the deal. Hoyle has had to spend more money to resolve this issue so you can add this to the money he has written off . Were they the first choice to take over? |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 23, 2023 22:58:26 GMT 1
Two observations 1. If you write off something worth very little then you can present yourself as someone doing things out of good of your heart. You could also say 10% of £40m is £4m…. What are you really writing off? 2. Avoiding alternative of administration avoids Adminstrators investigating conduct of Directors & any transactions to / with said Directors - a price to pay for that? FML Fantastic Media Lower? Been shut for most games this season, unsurprisingly. |
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Post by specialun on Mar 23, 2023 23:00:34 GMT 1
Two observations 1. If you write off something worth very little then you can present yourself as someone doing things out of good of your heart. You could also say 10% of £40m is £4m…. What are you really writing off? 2. Avoiding alternative of administration avoids Adminstrators investigating conduct of Directors & any transactions to / with said Directors - a price to pay for that? FML See full comment? But interested to see a more informed response than FML… |
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Post by portugalterrier on Mar 23, 2023 23:10:42 GMT 1
They have put a lot of effort and spent a lot of money in getting the deal put together and written up, my contacts have been impressed with all parties involved , there was frustration with the share ownership situation and this has held up the deal. Hoyle has had to spend more money to resolve this issue so you can add this to the money he has written off . So considering you seem to know everything about these private affairs (whilst having a pop at someone else for wanting to know them), what has Hoyle been paid for the club and its assets? Because there seems to be a big PR push to say debts written off, but no mention whatsoever on whats been paid for the club. Without both things no judgement can be made on the philanthropy of Hoyle at this time. I didn’t demand to know any details I just knew people involved, at the start of this sale process the deal was no sale proceeds and directors loans w/ off. I’m not aware this situation has changed, if he has managed to receive any sale proceeds good for him, it certainly won’t be anywhere near what he has written off, he just wanted out. |
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Post by htfcterry on Mar 23, 2023 23:11:53 GMT 1
This all needs a line drawing under it now. There will be hundreds of different opinions about DH and the way he’s run the club over the last 5 years, but no one’s ever going to know the full ins and outs. It’s almost over, which for both parties sounds like the best thing. If he’s wrote off the reported debt then fair play to him. He will have worked years to earn £40m, doesn’t matter how wealthy you are, losing that kind of money is a bad day at the office.
All the off field problems may well be coming to an end, so it’s time to actually get behind the team a lot of us have lost interest in, because League 1 is not where we want to be.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 23, 2023 23:12:40 GMT 1
So considering you seem to know everything about these private affairs (whilst having a pop at someone else for wanting to know them), what has Hoyle been paid for the club and its assets? Because there seems to be a big PR push to say debts written off, but no mention whatsoever on whats been paid for the club. Without both things no judgement can be made on the philanthropy of Hoyle at this time. I didn’t demand to know any details I just knew people involved, at the start of this sale process the deal was no sale proceeds and directors loans w/ off. I’m not aware this situation has changed, if he has managed to receive any sale proceeds good for him, it certainly won’t be anywhere near what he has written off, he just wanted out. Did Baldwin play a big role in finding this group? as that was apparently his role , when first appointed. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Mar 23, 2023 23:13:07 GMT 1
Dean has had to move in to a back to back terrace in Birkby. Properly skint now
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Post by Up the Duff. on Mar 23, 2023 23:13:09 GMT 1
60 people liked this post. I haven't seen 60 apologies and gagman has been very quiet given his big mouth. DATM has so many sheep and playground bullies. Those of us who believed that Dean would do his best for the club he loves have been vindicated. I wish more folk would be fair, balanced and do their own thinking instead of jumping on the bandwagon. The hysteria and character assassination on here has been truly shameful and embarrassing. Have a nice day Maybe some are waiting to see who he's actually selling to? Only then will we know if he's genuinely doing his best for the club. He's rightly getting credit for writing off most of his debt. He's getting his money from canalside and stadium shares. This isn't a dig, just saying. Just as much as the histrionics were OTT yesterday some of the sanctimony today based on a blatant PR Daily Fail piece is just as bad. Dean Hoyle is a Town fan. No doubt. He wouldn't see us go under no doubt about that but let's wait and see the ambitions of who he's chosen (albeit plan B) as next custodians. Is that Dean selling the stadium shares that were to be put in trust approx a decade ago ? The fact is the value is the value and one way or another that's all he was getting.. there was not enough value to repay the loans and pay him for shares etc. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Mar 23, 2023 23:14:27 GMT 1
They have put a lot of effort and spent a lot of money in getting the deal put together and written up, my contacts have been impressed with all parties involved , there was frustration with the share ownership situation and this has held up the deal. Hoyle has had to spend more money to resolve this issue so you can add this to the money he has written off . Were they the first choice to take over? They were the first to write the deal that satisfied DH and HTAFC going forward. |
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Post by Wingman on Mar 23, 2023 23:15:14 GMT 1
Don’t like the attitude at all of a few posters that have come on here just to start a fight tonight. There are people who have gone over the top on both sides of the argument and that is fine, it’s a forum and all opinions (almost) are allowed. You have had a majority of posters (me included) who have rightfully been very critical of the club and Hoyle and possibly gone a little over the top, then you have had slapps for example who have stood up for his view this entire time and can rightly have a moment of joy now. But to be absent for months from commenting and then to come on as soon as an opportunity to “be right” appears and post like this stinks imo (and I would think that regardless of what side of the argument I was on). What’s the point? Aren’t we all town fans? The exact some posters have been using the “hindsight is a wonderful thing”-card every time someone has been critical of the club, but now it suits to come back from the dead riding in on horses higher than fucking Scott. Some people want to be right more than they want the best for HTAFC I think. It'll be nice to go back to talking football on the pitch rather than off it, that's for sure. |
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Post by cecerececerececere on Mar 23, 2023 23:17:15 GMT 1
Fair play to Hoyle....eventually.
On the face of it, he has done the right thing and finally written off the money he spent many moons ago. The money he never expected to get back.
And really, what choice did he have in the end? Write off the debt so Town avoid administration or take Town into administration and get fook all money back.
Shame he couldn't have done a deal similar to this rather than selling to Hodgkinson.
Anyway, by hook or by crook, we should now be in a position for the new regime to take the club forward without being hamstrung by previous regimes debt...unlike the deal with Hodgkinson.
Onwards and upwards and UTT.
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Post by rockwall on Mar 23, 2023 23:18:53 GMT 1
All I can gather is this.... DH can make mistake after mistake and those that are obviously close to Dean can never admit that wrong doings on his part left us in a mess. We have been an embarrassment as a club to the footballing World lately. But.... he has now written off the debts owed, baring in mind... DH 'I do not expect a penny back'. All DH fan club now want apologies??? Fuck me... Over his tenure, he has done lots of good things mixed with lots of bad. I think everyone has a right to their opinion. Pros and cons are probably equal. Let's move on. DH has done the best thing. That's all we can ask for. “ wrong doings” intimate criminal , DH has certainly made mistakes they certainly aren’t “ wrong doings you really must be joking. Where did I say criminal? Just another Hoyle lover twisting words full well knowing what they actually meant. The issue between pro and against Hoyle is pro Hoyle doing exactly this. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Mar 23, 2023 23:29:57 GMT 1
I didn’t demand to know any details I just knew people involved, at the start of this sale process the deal was no sale proceeds and directors loans w/ off. I’m not aware this situation has changed, if he has managed to receive any sale proceeds good for him, it certainly won’t be anywhere near what he has written off, he just wanted out. Did Baldwin play a big role in finding this group? as that was apparently his role , when first appointed. He has played a role, he found the people who found the group , would not be surprised to see him remain in post, highly regarded apparently. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 23, 2023 23:33:05 GMT 1
Did Baldwin play a big role in finding this group? as that was apparently his role , when first appointed. He has played a role, he found the people who found the group , would not be surprised to see him remain in post, highly regarded apparently. So he could become chief exec so to speak. with him heading up the rebuild of the dof/ management structure ? |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Mar 23, 2023 23:36:53 GMT 1
Did Baldwin play a big role in finding this group? as that was apparently his role , when first appointed. He has played a role, he found the people who found the group , would not be surprised to see him remain in post, highly regarded apparently. Seems like he has grabbed this rudderless football club and dragged it back on course. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Mar 23, 2023 23:39:12 GMT 1
“ wrong doings” intimate criminal , DH has certainly made mistakes they certainly aren’t “ wrong doings you really must be joking. Where did I say criminal? Just another Hoyle lover twisting words full well knowing what they actually meant. The issue between pro and against Hoyle is pro Hoyle doing exactly this. You said “ wrong doings left us in this mess” , mistakes and errors may have been made, perhaps you could enlighten me what these “ wrong doings “ are, a simple list will do. ” another Hoyle lover” , D H has been a brilliant custodian of our club regrettably mistakes and errors do appear to have been made often by people employed by the club but perhaps failings in judgement would be more appropriate, but that’s just my opinion. Anyway , just sat here waiting for that list of “ wrong doings”. |
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