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Post by Tinpot on Apr 11, 2023 10:27:25 GMT 1
If ganging up on someone makes them feel better, then fair play to them. There are some people I frequently agree with and some I frequently don't. Some I tend to agree with about football but we're miles apart politically or vice versa. There's 4 current, active members of this forum where I could put a name to a face IRL, and one of those is myself! Just because the same people tend to disagree with you doesn't mean it's a conspiracy. Just because some people frequently agree with one another doesn't make them a clique. |
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Post by hthp on Apr 11, 2023 10:29:34 GMT 1
If ganging up on someone makes them feel better, then fair play to them. There are some people I frequently agree with and some I frequently don't. Some I tend to agree with about football but we're miles apart politically or vice versa. There's 4 current, active members of this forum where I could put a name to a face IRL, and one of those is myself! Just because the same people tend to disagree with you doesn't mean it's a conspiracy. Just because some people frequently agree with one another doesn't make them a clique. Sure  |
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Post by ram on Apr 11, 2023 10:43:54 GMT 1
Regarding Kasumo,on the odd occasion we managed to break from a defensive position, the lad had players to either side and each time he chose the wrong pass,on my reckoning the right pass would have resulted in 2 more goals.Our deep defending would have then been justified....Choices,choices!
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Post by detox on Apr 11, 2023 10:47:44 GMT 1
Disappointing to squander a 2 goal lead but I guess it would be harsh on Blackburn for them to lose but I couldn't have cared less if they had. Thought we let them dominate and set the tone and pattern of the game. Thought we defended resolutely and steadfastly but you're never going to be able to soak up that much pressure, it was like an FA Cup tie where a L2 team are leading a PL team who are desperately trying to cling on to the lead. Thought Vaclik was excellent too and certainly saved us from certain defeat. All in all a point gained and the other results have gone our way, thankfully. On to Swansea. Isn't that the 2nd time we've let slip a 2 goal lead..? WBA , now Blackburn.. I'm sure if we'd have hung on to win the headline, and comments would have been what a master tactician Warnock is. We'd have received paudits for our defensive strength.. It's always a sickener when you concede so late..by my reckoning that's the 14th goal we've conceded after the 80 minute mark..costing us 9 points. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 11, 2023 10:49:58 GMT 1
Didnt have a 2 goal lead against Blackpool.. were leading twice though against 10 men.
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 11, 2023 10:56:59 GMT 1
Happy with a point We gave it all, they were technically better We were shot after 70 mins, but put in the context of our recent run, cant really complain Anyone feeling sore for not getting all 3, look at Reading at Preston, that will have hurt, plus they have Paul Ince to deal with Things are looking up UTT Well they don't have to deal with Paul Ince any longer...lets see if it makes a difference! |
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Post by workshyfop on Apr 11, 2023 11:09:25 GMT 1
If you say so. I don’t know who you are. I thought I was being very even-handed in that reply. As with all posters, some things we agree on, some things we don’t. Seems like everything I say, the same usual suspects jump on it. Including you. Only when you post nonsense! 😉 I particularly disagree with you on Corberan. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t have a mob. It’s on my bucket list to get one though … |
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Post by runner76 on Apr 11, 2023 11:11:28 GMT 1
Didnt have a 2 goal lead against Blackpool.. were leading twice though against 10 men. And Blackpool are total gash, whereas Blackburn are decent |
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Post by 3Pipe on Apr 11, 2023 11:12:28 GMT 1
Regarding Kasumo,on the odd occasion we managed to break from a defensive position, the lad had players to either side and each time he chose the wrong pass,on my reckoning the right pass would have resulted in 2 more goals.Our deep defending would have then been justified....Choices,choices! David Kasumu had a passing accuracy of 11% yesterday. But he was brilliant, apparently, and if you disagree then you didn't watch the game. Town completed just 63 passes in this game which is the fewest by any team on record since OPTA stats began collating in 2013. I've seen the word 'fatigue' mentioned a lot. Always going to happen when you spend most of the game chasing the ball because you keep giving it away. I stand by my comments from yesterday, verbatim, "Kasumu's a bit shit at actual football isn't he." downatthemac.proboards.com/post/3160853/thread11%. Idiots. |
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Post by detox on Apr 11, 2023 11:14:32 GMT 1
I guess the main difference between Warnock and Fothers/Schofield is that Warnock understands our limitations and plays to the strengths we have, whereas the others 2 kept trying to get us to play to a style we were simply not capable of. As for Monday, maybe if we'd had Diarra on the bench as an outlet player would have helped..although as that 2nd half wore on our hacked clearances weren't even reaching the half way line. I agree about the weak line at right back, Pearson has been caught out a few times there (and subbed in one game)..it's not his fault but to cover him we lost all attacking options down our right side..in fact pretty much the same also happened down our left as we tried to block the channels.with Hogg and Rudoni plugging the gaps down the middle it left Ward as the only player not within 30 yards of our own goals.
Swansea might well be a similar game as they are a possession based side and we're unlikely to have much of the ball. Warnock needs to think about his subs to provide some pace out wide for us. It's odd though we've done better against Boro and Watford when we've conceded first and had to try and create something..and did. I think we missed REG against Blackburn and expect to see him start at Swansea. I'm sure Warnock is doing his homework on our oponents and changing tactics to suit, and he's doing well so far. It'll be interesting to see his side for Swansea where we need to pick up at least a point.
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Post by incognito on Apr 11, 2023 11:21:15 GMT 1
Anyone else see Sorba jump up like he’d scored in World Cup final when there goal went in Anyone...?! |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 11, 2023 11:21:32 GMT 1
Regarding Kasumo,on the odd occasion we managed to break from a defensive position, the lad had players to either side and each time he chose the wrong pass,on my reckoning the right pass would have resulted in 2 more goals.Our deep defending would have then been justified....Choices,choices! David Kasumu had a passing accuracy of 11% yesterday. But he was brilliant, apparently, and if you disagree then you didn't watch the game. Town completed just 63 passes in this game which is the fewest by any team on record since OPTA stats began collating in 2013. I've seen the word 'fatigue' mentioned a lot. Always going to happen when you spend most of the game chasing the ball because you keep giving it away. I stand by my comments from yesterday, verbatim, "Kasumu's a bit shit at actual football isn't he." downatthemac.proboards.com/post/3160853/thread11%. Idiots. You simply cannot allow blackburn to play in your final third as much as we did. Kasumu had a couple of runs after winning the ball in the first half but was, like everyone else, simply losing it or kicking it somewhere in the second half. We actually had 10 minutes in the first half where we played a slightly higher line and stuck to it, 4 offisides?  ?? Second half we dropped off, had a wiggly back line, no offsides?? Not going daft but a bit more bravery was required to move up and engage further up, at least for periods but it never happened. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 11, 2023 11:23:05 GMT 1
When you compare the 2-2 draw with West Brom and the one yesterday, they’re chalk & cheese…
It’s fair to say that injuries have forced a relatively young side on us for most of this season, if we manage to stop up, it will have been a fantastic learning opportunity for them.
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Post by CurlyWurly on Apr 11, 2023 11:26:14 GMT 1
Felt against Boro and Watford we stuck to the game plan no matter what, we went behind and nothing changed in our of style of play.
Yesterday going ahead we shat ourselves and took Warnock ball to the extreme that's what cost us. Simpson needed to come on as did REG. I was just too negative, defending like that never works, you've got to put your foot on the ball every now and then. I don't remember us having the ball in the corner for a single second.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 11, 2023 11:30:02 GMT 1
When you compare the 2-2 draw with West Brom and the one yesterday, they’re chalk & cheese… It’s fair to say that injuries have forced a relatively young side on us for most of this season, if we manage to stop up, it will have been a fantastic learning opportunity for them. That was one thing that surprised me yesterday. That wasnt a young side we had out.. loads of experience out there really yet collectively they just didnt change it. Kept sitting back and just hoping that somehow blackburn wouldn't score.. |
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Post by detox on Apr 11, 2023 11:30:07 GMT 1
Didnt have a 2 goal lead against Blackpool.. were leading twice though against 10 men. cheers, edited... |
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Post by detox on Apr 11, 2023 11:36:56 GMT 1
David Kasumu had a passing accuracy of 11% yesterday. But he was brilliant, apparently, and if you disagree then you didn't watch the game. Town completed just 63 passes in this game which is the fewest by any team on record since OPTA stats began collating in 2013. I've seen the word 'fatigue' mentioned a lot. Always going to happen when you spend most of the game chasing the ball because you keep giving it away. I stand by my comments from yesterday, verbatim, "Kasumu's a bit shit at actual football isn't he." downatthemac.proboards.com/post/3160853/thread11%. Idiots. You simply cannot allow blackburn to play in your final third as much as we did. Kasumu had a couple of runs after winning the ball in the first half but was, like everyone else, simply losing it or kicking it somewhere in the second half. We actually had 10 minutes in the first half where we played a slightly higher line and stuck to it, 4 offisides? ?? Second half we dropped off, had a wiggly back line, no offsides?? Not going daft but a bit more bravery was required to move up and engage further up, at least for periods but it never happened. It didn't really work either, both their goals were from inside our 6 yard box..plus they had at least a couple of 'near miss tap ins'.... It's just a pity the other 2 good chances we had in that 1st half weren't taken..at 3-0 it would definately be game over.. but at least we survived those last 4 minutes. |
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Post by atowninessex on Apr 11, 2023 11:45:32 GMT 1
not sure what anyone is moaning about i certainly would have taken a point before kick off and with cardiff and reading results a point gained
prod pro quo with the other relegation candidates , off course we could have got a third on the breakaway if the lads could make a 40 yard pass
to one of their own players
i thought a good hard working defensive performance and nicked 2 goals to get a point- we now have more points than most of us thought possible a month ago ,going forward points from games against anyone but reading and cardiff is a bonus!
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Post by Tiro on Apr 11, 2023 11:54:51 GMT 1
Anyone else see Sorba jump up like he’d scored in World Cup final when there goal went in Anyone...?! The lads' on loan at club chasing the PL. Whether we like it or not, of course he's gonna celebrate / want the comeback - it's in his, and our, interests to be involved in the playoffs. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 11, 2023 12:03:48 GMT 1
Agree with the 2 posts above, 4 points over Easter was great against 2 teams who technically are miles ahead of us. What ever it takes to stay up this season but some serious work must be done over the summer, we are desperate for some quality going forward. Its damage limitation, pragmatic stuff from Warnock but I dont think the players are as bad as they looked yesterday v Blackburn and I dont think Blackburn are as good as we made them look. He simply doesn't have the time to get them playing anything resembling flowing football so we're trying this approach instead, staying organised, 100% commitment, no risks, hitting it long and targeting weaknesses. If he stayed for next season (he won't) I think it would look a lot different and we'd enjoy more possession (even with the same players), but there's no time for that in the position we're in. Unbelievable what they've done in the last 5 games, I'd normally be tearing my hair out and embarrassed by that performance yesterday, but needs must and it's a miracle we're even still in with a chance let alone a really good one! Credit to Blackburn, I'd not heard of many of their players and its a young squad but they played some great football. I don't know but I'm guessing they've a smaller budget than their league position would suggest. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 11, 2023 12:10:09 GMT 1
The lads' on loan at club chasing the PL. Whether we like it or not, of course he's gonna celebrate / want the comeback - it's in his, and our, interests to be involved in the playoffs. If that's true then he's an idiot IMO. Anyone with half an ounce of sense would be keeping a low profile, he might have wanted his current team to win but his employers (and its fans) are still paying his wages and stand a good chance of being relegated with all that it entails (job losses etc). For that reason he should have shown some class and not overtly celebrated any of the goals, basic common sense. Plus, no matter what he thinks, he may well end up back here next season. They might not want him in either league and Town might, if we manage to stay up, and maybe even if we don't depending on the budget. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 11, 2023 12:11:31 GMT 1
Having just watched the extended highlights on YouTube, that attempt where Brereton Diaz fizzed the ball across, their lad who failed to connect was well offside. I think it was given as a GK, but you’d have been pissed off had they scored that & it had been given.
So that’s one less ‘official’ chance they had, if it makes you feel any better… 😉
Still not sure how we kept that one that bounced off the post out though. We rode our luck yesterday, nice to see that it was on our side. Although you could also suggest the harder you work, the luckier you get.
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Post by incognito on Apr 11, 2023 12:11:36 GMT 1
The lads' on loan at club chasing the PL. Whether we like it or not, of course he's gonna celebrate / want the comeback - it's in his, and our, interests to be involved in the playoffs. Personally it wouldn't bother me either way, I'm just curious at the apparent lack of other witnesses to this. Without wishing to cast aspersions on anyone on this site, I do think its sensible treat any rumour about this player with caution given the negative PR campaign waged against him by a section of our fanbase earlier this season. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Apr 11, 2023 12:12:22 GMT 1
Spot on. 2 in a row Roy.
You going for the hat-trick? Roy Race would have.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 11, 2023 12:22:38 GMT 1
not sure what anyone is moaning about i certainly would have taken a point before kick off and with cardiff and reading results a point gained prod pro quo with the other relegation candidates , off course we could have got a third on the breakaway if the lads could make a 40 yard pass to one of their own players i thought a good hard working defensive performance and nicked 2 goals to get a point- we now have more points than most of us thought possible a month ago ,going forward points from games against anyone but reading and cardiff is a bonus! Its minutes away from 3 points, again. Its the same tactic(if standing about in your box is a tactic) again that cost us 2 points. Its the inability or the desire from the coach or the players to trust themselves a little more and to change what we are doing. Snatching a point from the jaws of 3 points shouldnt ever be enough, especially after 3 wins. We will be required to be braver, you can see what is likely to happen over the next few games. If you are not somewhat disappointed by losing another 2 points right at the death again, and if the coach and the squad are with you, we are still in serious trouble. Swansea will have the football a lot, if we back away into our box and stay in they will manufacture the man over and we will concede. We must possess a potential threat and it will need to be for the match, not a few minutes here and there. Swansea like the ball, they like to sit in your half, we know this. Simpson and Harrat for 15 minutes yesterday would have been a better defence than sitting in our box. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 11, 2023 12:25:26 GMT 1
Regarding Kasumo,on the odd occasion we managed to break from a defensive position, the lad had players to either side and each time he chose the wrong pass,on my reckoning the right pass would have resulted in 2 more goals.Our deep defending would have then been justified....Choices,choices! David Kasumu had a passing accuracy of 11% yesterday. But he was brilliant, apparently, and if you disagree then you didn't watch the game. Town completed just 63 passes in this game which is the fewest by any team on record since OPTA stats began collating in 2013. I've seen the word 'fatigue' mentioned a lot. Always going to happen when you spend most of the game chasing the ball because you keep giving it away. I stand by my comments from yesterday, verbatim, "Kasumu's a bit shit at actual football isn't he." downatthemac.proboards.com/post/3160853/thread11%. Idiots. that bit about Opta is pretty astounding. There must be hundreds of thousands of games they've taken stats for in that time period. I feel as if I've seen a couple of games where we've had less of the ball as well! |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 11, 2023 12:30:15 GMT 1
The lads' on loan at club chasing the PL. Whether we like it or not, of course he's gonna celebrate / want the comeback - it's in his, and our, interests to be involved in the playoffs. Personally it wouldn't bother me either way, I'm just curious at the apparent lack of other witnesses to this. Without wishing to cast aspersions on anyone on this site, I do think its sensible treat any rumour about this player with caution given the negative PR campaign waged against him by a section of our fanbase earlier this season. Unless he was sat in front of me n the KB I wouldn't have seen it. Tbh I'd forgotten he was at Blackburn til I saw your post. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Apr 11, 2023 12:31:58 GMT 1
I think Warnock has shown that you don't need to play 50 passes across your own defence to win games. It's so frustrating watching almost every team play the same way and football is now like watching a game of chess. Guardiola has ruined the game in this country. This is why I have very rarely been enthused about how we've played over the last few years, it's just very boring. The way Blackburn played out from the back yesterday was pretty slick. One of their defenders usually ended up inside our half pushing the attack. Even though we tried to close them their movement allowed them to pass around us and they looked constantly threatening when they built that way. Partly they have better quality players and partly us playing deep but they showed how it should be done. Disagree partly we rarely pressed or competed I their half. I think they would have come unstuck there central defender had a worse first touch than Jimmy sav... Oh hmm worse than diahkby |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 11, 2023 12:33:49 GMT 1
I actually agree that players without the ability to play that sort of football shouldn’t. I even agree that some of the football under Carlos wasn’t good to watch (although I would argue that the results far outweighed the resources and the ends justified the means). It was the Guardiola comment I was reacting to. Surely, some of the football Man City have played is amongst the best this country has ever seen? It is, but most teams in the country have tried to copy it and they clearly can't play that style. I'm sure you'd have found something else to pick at if I hadn't mentioned Guardiola. I'm awaiting "Porrohman/henryc/Sio/Dan and Ted chips likes this" on all your posts now as per. And I thought we were agreeing on more these days 😢. I'd almost forgotten you PM'ing me to call me an oxygen thieving c*** before one of your previous life bans 🤣 |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Apr 11, 2023 12:35:46 GMT 1
If ganging up on someone makes them feel better, then fair play to them. There are some people I frequently agree with and some I frequently don't. Some I tend to agree with about football but we're miles apart politically or vice versa. There's 4 current, active members of this forum where I could put a name to a face IRL, and one of those is myself! Just because the same people tend to disagree with you doesn't mean it's a conspiracy. Just because some people frequently agree with one another doesn't make them a clique. Now then I have been thinking about this for a while, I never got on with daz and blocked him due to the posts he put out . But when I saw his face and knew his back story I unblocked him and developed true empathy for the bloke. I think posting our pictures would be a good thing and stop some of the obscene bullying and abuse that goes on datm. |
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