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Post by Spike24 on Jul 12, 2023 15:13:53 GMT 1
Can't be certain how accurrate this is but £2million (including add-ons) for Camara seems cheap unless there's a fecking big sell on clause. linknot really - 1 year left on his contract, won't be on a big wage, not that experienced, and he wants to leave. 1 year plus an option on another. But yeah, if his heads been turned then see you later. Seemingly all the tools to be a good player but the heads not there is it
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Post by hoggy1975 on Jul 12, 2023 15:14:49 GMT 1
What fee did we receive for Holmes? Sorry if I've missed it. just popped up on my futmob app Holmes fee was £1.7m ? Maynard has said above he went for free and we are paying some of the wages
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 12, 2023 15:24:27 GMT 1
not really - 1 year left on his contract, won't be on a big wage, not that experienced, and he wants to leave. 1 year plus an option on another. But yeah, if his heads been turned then see you later. Seemingly all the tools to be a good player but the heads not there is it no mention of there being an option www.htafc.com/news/2022/november/etienne-camaras-contract-extended/
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Post by jim59 on Jul 12, 2023 15:26:18 GMT 1
When warnock agreed another year surely je had some guarantees recsignings?
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Post by goodbet on Jul 12, 2023 15:32:40 GMT 1
I don't think it's 'bedwetting' to be worried about our prospects for the window. We're not stupid, and recognise when there's no money to spend, we don't need to wait til the window shuts to confirm that. Can usually tell a good summer window from a bad one by this time of year. With Holmes gone, and Camara and High looking to be going, that will leave us ridiculously short in midfield. But Warnock is happy with it No money again for the 5th season in a row I will give them some time to get the team sorted, that is this window. As we are apparently looking for small or zero fees to be paid they tend to take time unless the club wants rid like the Holmes transfer. With that said, I will start getting nervous if we have not made a move by the first game. Early signings tend to work best with fitness and team bonding alreading in place.
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Post by rockwall on Jul 12, 2023 15:40:51 GMT 1
It’s not a promising start with Holmes and likely Camara sold. Why is the new regime seemingly getting a free hit? I think they’re hiding behind FFP a bit here. They can talk about ‘vision’ and ‘journey’ and all those other abstract concepts all they want, but this weakens an already very average squad heading into what looks like a tougher league this year. Remove the PR and this smacks of potless again Award for the post that is absolute nonsense award goes to you. Holmes and Camara haven't really contributed much. Holmes had a little bit of a purple patch before his injury, but that is about it. To progress, we need better. Camara has talent, but was ineffectual and his decision making wasn't great. Your part about the new guys is bizarre. They have saved the club from administration and are looking after us financially. As has been said numerous times on numerous threads. Personally, it doesn't weaken us at all. We have gained Sorba back who is better than Duane. We can use their wages to pursue better options too. Comparisons so Phil is one of the worst Comparisons you could make too. Please compile a list for me to understand your logic.
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Post by terriers2000 on Jul 12, 2023 15:46:26 GMT 1
Jack hunt?
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 12, 2023 15:48:07 GMT 1
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Post by jqhtfc on Jul 12, 2023 15:56:22 GMT 1
Linked with us, qpr and charlton
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 12, 2023 15:58:48 GMT 1
Linked with us, qpr and charlton The same Jack Hunt , who was let go by Sheff Wed ? dear god no. The same lad with a very questionable attiude - we have and have had enough of ego mad players to last us a lifetime.
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Post by Lovechops on Jul 12, 2023 15:59:59 GMT 1
just popped up on my futmob app Holmes fee was £1.7m ? Maynard has said above he went for free and we are paying some of the wages I replied to this before I got to Maynard quote ! Just reporting what has been published
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 12, 2023 16:08:00 GMT 1
Reckon we definitely need another RB but Jack Hunt? No thanks. Another past it player we're linked with. 33 in December and struggled to get into a league 1 team last season.
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Post by terriers2000 on Jul 12, 2023 16:09:34 GMT 1
The bastard
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 12, 2023 16:10:54 GMT 1
Why are we giving Holmes away for free, also not even that but also paying up his wages for him to go ? Does this mean we will be bringing some players in soon ?
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Post by rockwall on Jul 12, 2023 16:17:04 GMT 1
Doubt his attitude would be what Warnock would want around. Plus in the words of Jack Card himself 'I would never return to Huddersfield Town'
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jul 12, 2023 16:20:03 GMT 1
not really - 1 year left on his contract, won't be on a big wage, not that experienced, and he wants to leave. I'm going to be Devil's Advocate here and say that I really don't think that he's going cheaply. £1m+ is decent for a player who has done the square root of nothing at Town. Yes, he's been with us a long time, and he had worked his way up, but he never impressed me that much. He was slow in possession and did all of his best work in our own half, playing the ball backwards or sideways to the centre-backs. He was often caught in possession and rarely played forward passes. There were games where he made Russell look like a world-beater! Warnock obviously didn't rate him and told him to buck his ideas up, hence his decision to up sticks. I accept that he has potential, but so has every player. How he's made the France U20s I have no idea, but let's not forget that hundreds, if not thousands, of players make age-levels and then vanish, never to be seen again. Either way, we'll soon find out. And yes, I'd imagine that we'll have a never-ending sell-on clause to help dig us out of the next inescapable financial collapse. I'm sorry but that's absolute cobblers. Yes he's done very little, because he's only just broken into the team. His ability to create a pause with little shimmies, and use his body to protect the ball, before laying it off are very good for his age. In the championship, a very physical and tough league. He played plenty of forward passes and has the ability to control the pace of a game, which is a rare quality. France has been the most successful country in the world for the last 25 years and produced some incredible players. You don't get any old mug turning out for their youth team. He has the potential to have a very good career and be sold for some quite big money - hopefully we have a good sell on fee.
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Post by royrace on Jul 12, 2023 16:24:24 GMT 1
He made a valid comparison and questioned how/why clubs like Preston can pay fees for players and avoid selling their better ones when their turnover is presumably worse than Town's. Maybe try to answer the question or say nothing at all if you can't? "Chickens analysis" doesn't address the issue he has highlighted (how other clubs manage it) and just comes across as you being rude and dismissive, better to keep quiet imo or make a valid comment. A comparison with Town vs Preston would be very interesting I'm sure if anyone has the info. Thing is all we see is numbers with no detail on how those details are made up, in particular we don't really know what income and expense can be attributed to specific player purchases/sales. For all I know we might still be paying for the likes of Diakhaby and receiving money for Grant. I've no idea but it is puzzling how clubs like Preston can afford players when we can't. Is it a hangover from the PL years, do Preston have a much smaller squad, better commercial revenue etc etc? I've no idea but it would be interesting to know, I think that's what the OP was questioning and its a good question IMO. Zzzz all the answers are where I pointed to . Not rude or dismissive at all . Maybe you should have a look too ? I have read the article and there's nothing in there suggesting how other clubs of a similar size manage to avoid a brush with FFP and can still sign players, not that I would expect there to be but I think its a good question and would be interesting to compare Town with other clubs. Take Bristol City for example, wasting millions year after year for a mid table finish! How on earth do they steer clear of FFP? I've no idea, be interested to know, some creative sponsorship deals allowing the owner to indirectly inject funds maybe but I honestly have no idea. There are lots of comparable clubs who manage to steer clear of FFP and dont need to sell their players at the drop of a hat as soon as there's some interest. Blackburn are an example of how not to do it mind since they have managed to let Diaz leave on a free despite years of PL interest. I think there is a happy medium there though in between snatching a clubs hand off and keeping hold of a player for too long. It does seem though that we're permanently skint, we were even skint following 2 years in the PL and modest spending! Now we've been taken over by a billionaire but we're skint again and having to offload players left right and centre before we make a single signing despite just avoiding relegation by the skin of our teeth! Its not what I or many other fans were expecting and I don't think its unreasonable to question it. One things for sure, its a good job we managed to keep Warnock otherwise it would probably be another struggle for survival.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 12, 2023 16:27:34 GMT 1
Zzzz all the answers are where I pointed to . Not rude or dismissive at all . Maybe you should have a look too ? I have read the article and there's nothing in there suggesting how other clubs of a similar size manage to avoid a brush with FFP and can still sign players, not that I would expect there to be but I think its a good question and would be interesting to compare Town with other clubs. Take Bristol City for example, wasting millions year after year for a mid table finish! How on earth do they steer clear of FFP? I've no idea, be interested to know, some creative sponsorship deals allowing the owner to indirectly inject funds maybe but I honestly have no idea. There are lots of comparable clubs who manage to steer clear of FFP and dont need to sell their players at the drop of a hat as soon as there's some interest. Blackburn are an example of how not to do it mind since they have managed to let Diaz leave on a free despite years of PL interest. I think there is a happy medium there though in between snatching a clubs hand off and keeping hold of a player for too long. It does seem though that we're permanently skint, we were even skint following 2 years in the PL and modest spending! Now we've been taken over by a billionaire but we're skint again and having to offload players left right and centre before we make a single signing despite just avoiding relegation by the skin of our teeth! Its not what I or many other fans were expecting and I don't think its unreasonable to question it. One things for sure, its a good job we managed to keep Warnock otherwise it would probably be another struggle for survival. The books are black and white and as Ted said, the podcast says it all. It would be interesting to see a comparative summary against similar level clubs over the past few years.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 12, 2023 16:34:36 GMT 1
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 12, 2023 17:25:24 GMT 1
I have read the article and there's nothing in there suggesting how other clubs of a similar size manage to avoid a brush with FFP and can still sign players, not that I would expect there to be but I think its a good question and would be interesting to compare Town with other clubs. Take Bristol City for example, wasting millions year after year for a mid table finish! How on earth do they steer clear of FFP? I've no idea, be interested to know, some creative sponsorship deals allowing the owner to indirectly inject funds maybe but I honestly have no idea. There are lots of comparable clubs who manage to steer clear of FFP and dont need to sell their players at the drop of a hat as soon as there's some interest. Blackburn are an example of how not to do it mind since they have managed to let Diaz leave on a free despite years of PL interest. I think there is a happy medium there though in between snatching a clubs hand off and keeping hold of a player for too long. It does seem though that we're permanently skint, we were even skint following 2 years in the PL and modest spending! Now we've been taken over by a billionaire but we're skint again and having to offload players left right and centre before we make a single signing despite just avoiding relegation by the skin of our teeth! Its not what I or many other fans were expecting and I don't think its unreasonable to question it. One things for sure, its a good job we managed to keep Warnock otherwise it would probably be another struggle for survival. The books are black and white and as Ted said, the podcast says it all. It would be interesting to see a comparative summary against similar level clubs over the past few years. The books will Id imagine highlight the ongoing losses we run at..but id have thought that was pretty standard for this division. Which clubs DONT run at a considerable loss? In our favour though, something that is almost unprecedented in the championship you would think , is that we are now debt free..pretty sure I heard Nagle mention that not long ago. I think a reasonable question would be about Nagles motivation. Previous owners have been dyed in the wool town fans, so their motivation is due to that really. The ongoing security of the club and a chance to have their turn 'living the dream' and owning it. But Nagle must presumably be driven by something other than that...you'd think it would be making money for himself. Why else would he buy a club he'd never even heard of in a town he'd never heard of? If his plan is to just carry the ongoing losses whilst trying to reduce them as best he can, then I cant really see any way he'll ever get the return hes hoping for. If he wants to make money hes probably going to have to invest money.
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Post by arroloui on Jul 12, 2023 17:28:10 GMT 1
Zzzz all the answers are where I pointed to . Not rude or dismissive at all . Maybe you should have a look too ? I have read the article and there's nothing in there suggesting how other clubs of a similar size manage to avoid a brush with FFP and can still sign players, not that I would expect there to be but I think its a good question and would be interesting to compare Town with other clubs. Take Bristol City for example, wasting millions year after year for a mid table finish! How on earth do they steer clear of FFP? I've no idea, be interested to know, some creative sponsorship deals allowing the owner to indirectly inject funds maybe but I honestly have no idea. There are lots of comparable clubs who manage to steer clear of FFP and dont need to sell their players at the drop of a hat as soon as there's some interest. Blackburn are an example of how not to do it mind since they have managed to let Diaz leave on a free despite years of PL interest. I think there is a happy medium there though in between snatching a clubs hand off and keeping hold of a player for too long. It does seem though that we're permanently skint, we were even skint following 2 years in the PL and modest spending! Now we've been taken over by a billionaire but we're skint again and having to offload players left right and centre before we make a single signing despite just avoiding relegation by the skin of our teeth! Its not what I or many other fans were expecting and I don't think its unreasonable to question it. One things for sure, its a good job we managed to keep Warnock otherwise it would probably be another struggle for survival. Re It's a good job wr kept warnock I think that's the reason we are skint He's not cheap All eggs in one basket approach? You know how town always like to do it differently.
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Post by waggers on Jul 12, 2023 17:32:29 GMT 1
just popped up on my futmob app Holmes fee was £1.7m ? Maynard has said above he went for free and we are paying some of the wages Surprised at that. Okay with shipping him out but thought there'd have been a few quid in it for us.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 12, 2023 18:15:41 GMT 1
What fee did we receive for Holmes? Sorry if I've missed it. just popped up on my futmob app Holmes fee was £1.7m ? We'd have had their pants well and truly down if that was true 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by nicovaesen on Jul 12, 2023 18:30:00 GMT 1
Town don’t do the pants down routine. I guess when your pants are down so much pulling someone’s down losses it’s meaning somewhat 🤣
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jul 12, 2023 18:33:26 GMT 1
Town don’t do the pants down routine. I guess when your pants are down so much pulling someone’s down losses it’s meaning somewhat 🤣 £15m for karlan grant? Some on here have short memories.
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Post by Tiro on Jul 12, 2023 18:34:05 GMT 1
He hates us. And it is mutual: we consistently sang 'Jack Hunt's a bastard' at him last season.
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Post by Melc on Jul 12, 2023 18:34:48 GMT 1
Town don’t do the pants down routine. I guess when your pants are down so much pulling someone’s down losses it’s meaning somewhat 🤣 £15m for karlan grant? Some on here have short memories. Yes and getting drip fed the fee over 6 years!
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Post by Wingman on Jul 12, 2023 18:39:10 GMT 1
He hates us. And it is mutual: we consistently sang 'Jack Hunt's a bastard' at him last season. He’s without a job, he’d forget once he’s offered a few grand a week. I don’t see him coming here though.
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Post by stinkypete on Jul 12, 2023 18:42:58 GMT 1
Not arsed about either Holmes or Camara leaving, I think Pat Jones is gonna play a big part for us next season.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 12, 2023 18:58:42 GMT 1
I'm going to be Devil's Advocate here and say that I really don't think that he's going cheaply. £1m+ is decent for a player who has done the square root of nothing at Town. Yes, he's been with us a long time, and he had worked his way up, but he never impressed me that much. He was slow in possession and did all of his best work in our own half, playing the ball backwards or sideways to the centre-backs. He was often caught in possession and rarely played forward passes. There were games where he made Russell look like a world-beater! Warnock obviously didn't rate him and told him to buck his ideas up, hence his decision to up sticks. I accept that he has potential, but so has every player. How he's made the France U20s I have no idea, but let's not forget that hundreds, if not thousands, of players make age-levels and then vanish, never to be seen again. Either way, we'll soon find out. And yes, I'd imagine that we'll have a never-ending sell-on clause to help dig us out of the next inescapable financial collapse. I'm sorry but that's absolute cobblers. Yes he's done very little, because he's only just broken into the team. His ability to create a pause with little shimmies, and use his body to protect the ball, before laying it off are very good for his age. In the championship, a very physical and tough league. He played plenty of forward passes and has the ability to control the pace of a game, which is a rare quality. France has been the most successful country in the world for the last 25 years and produced some incredible players. You don't get any old mug turning out for their youth team. He has the potential to have a very good career and be sold for some quite big money - hopefully we have a good sell on fee. At times, he looked like he had Mooy's ability to create time and space on the ball, which I agree is a rare quality. Other times, he looked s##t though 🙂, but I guess the Mooy type qualities will develop further. Hope the sell on is massive.
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