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Post by Tiro on Jul 12, 2023 20:01:07 GMT 1
He hates us. And it is mutual: we consistently sang 'Jack Hunt's a bastard' at him last season. He’s without a job, he’d forget once he’s offered a few grand a week. I don’t see him coming here though. Would we?
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 12, 2023 21:54:13 GMT 1
Not arsed about either Holmes or Camara leaving, I think Pat Jones is gonna play a big part for us next season. Pat Jones playing in an entirely different position to the two you mentioned? Why is there any connection?
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jul 12, 2023 22:21:59 GMT 1
Maybe listen/ read to Chicken's analysis of the recent accounts release before continuing to waffle on about how we should sign everyone and sell no one . It's not going to happen so you're wasting your breath He made a valid comparison and questioned how/why clubs like Preston can pay fees for players and avoid selling their better ones when their turnover is presumably worse than Town's. Maybe try to answer the question or say nothing at all if you can't? "Chickens analysis" doesn't address the issue he has highlighted (how other clubs manage it) and just comes across as you being rude and dismissive, better to keep quiet imo or make a valid comment. A comparison with Town vs Preston would be very interesting I'm sure if anyone has the info. Thing is all we see is numbers with no detail on how those details are made up, in particular we don't really know what income and expense can be attributed to specific player purchases/sales. For all I know we might still be paying for the likes of Diakhaby and receiving money for Grant. I've no idea but it is puzzling how clubs like Preston can afford players when we can't. Is it a hangover from the PL years, do Preston have a much smaller squad, better commercial revenue etc etc? I've no idea but it would be interesting to know, I think that's what the OP was questioning and its a good question IMO. Ridsdale is at Preston isnt he. Based on his previous infamous use of money, I wouldnt look at how they are doing it with any conviction.
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Post by Wingman on Jul 12, 2023 22:40:00 GMT 1
Sadly also, Preston’s main benefactor passed away during the season so they won’t be spending big for long you wouldn’t have thought. Not sure of their last ‘big’ player sale either tbh?
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 12, 2023 22:47:27 GMT 1
Sadly also, Preston’s main benefactor passed away during the season so they won’t be spending big for long you wouldn’t have thought. Not sure of their last ‘big’ player sale either tbh? David Nugent lol.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 12, 2023 22:53:31 GMT 1
Maybe listen/ read to Chicken's analysis of the recent accounts release before continuing to waffle on about how we should sign everyone and sell no one . It's not going to happen so you're wasting your breath He made a valid comparison and questioned how/why clubs like Preston can pay fees for players and avoid selling their better ones when their turnover is presumably worse than Town's. Maybe try to answer the question or say nothing at all if you can't? "Chickens analysis" doesn't address the issue he has highlighted (how other clubs manage it) and just comes across as you being rude and dismissive, better to keep quiet imo or make a valid comment. A comparison with Town vs Preston would be very interesting I'm sure if anyone has the info. Thing is all we see is numbers with no detail on how those details are made up, in particular we don't really know what income and expense can be attributed to specific player purchases/sales. For all I know we might still be paying for the likes of Diakhaby and receiving money for Grant. I've no idea but it is puzzling how clubs like Preston can afford players when we can't. Is it a hangover from the PL years, do Preston have a much smaller squad, better commercial revenue etc etc? I've no idea but it would be interesting to know, I think that's what the OP was questioning and its a good question IMO. Has the transfer window closed? I struggle to see how we can judge our expenditure versus others until it has.
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Post by goodbet on Jul 12, 2023 23:13:39 GMT 1
He made a valid comparison and questioned how/why clubs like Preston can pay fees for players and avoid selling their better ones when their turnover is presumably worse than Town's. Maybe try to answer the question or say nothing at all if you can't? "Chickens analysis" doesn't address the issue he has highlighted (how other clubs manage it) and just comes across as you being rude and dismissive, better to keep quiet imo or make a valid comment. A comparison with Town vs Preston would be very interesting I'm sure if anyone has the info. Thing is all we see is numbers with no detail on how those details are made up, in particular we don't really know what income and expense can be attributed to specific player purchases/sales. For all I know we might still be paying for the likes of Diakhaby and receiving money for Grant. I've no idea but it is puzzling how clubs like Preston can afford players when we can't. Is it a hangover from the PL years, do Preston have a much smaller squad, better commercial revenue etc etc? I've no idea but it would be interesting to know, I think that's what the OP was questioning and its a good question IMO. Has the transfer window closed? I struggle to see how we can judge our expenditure versus others until it has. I don't see our spending changing from what it has been the last few years. We have the years since relegation to compare when we had parachute payments in place and we will still look poor.
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Post by ebargum on Jul 12, 2023 23:28:39 GMT 1
Has the transfer window closed? I struggle to see how we can judge our expenditure versus others until it has. I don't see our spending changing from what it has been the last few years. We have the years since relegation to compare when we had parachute payments in place and we will still look poor. Parachute payments were to cover the EPL wages of the players a club still had contracted, after a club was relegated. In our case Diakhaby, Mbenza and Pritchard etc - players no other club would pay a transfer fee for or take on a free and still maintain their current wages. It wasn't meant for funds in the transfer market.
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Post by nicovaesen on Jul 12, 2023 23:41:03 GMT 1
Town don’t do the pants down routine. I guess when your pants are down so much pulling someone’s down losses it’s meaning somewhat 🤣 £15m for karlan grant? Some on here have short memories. Who?
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Post by cowshed1992 on Jul 13, 2023 5:37:31 GMT 1
How are Bristol spending reportedly 2 mill on a player when they posted loses of 28 mill last season and 34 the year before?! Surely to god they must be sailing extremely close to the wind. I have no desire to swap places with them financially, but I am starting to question the absolute lack of investment (and potentially weakening of) a squad that is already over reliant on the development of youngsters over established Championship quality. Literally every other club is strengthening and we’re offloading just to potentially sign 2 players. No one gets a free hit owning a football club. It’s not good enough so far.
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Post by joek on Jul 13, 2023 6:52:02 GMT 1
How are Bristol spending reportedly 2 mill on a player when they posted loses of 28 mill last season and 34 the year before?! Surely to god they must be sailing extremely close to the wind. I have no desire to swap places with them financially, but I am starting to question the absolute lack of investment (and potentially weakening of) a squad that is already over reliant on the development of youngsters over established Championship quality. Literally every other club is strengthening and we’re offloading just to potentially sign 2 players. No one gets a free hit owning a football club. It’s not good enough so far. Just think you might have gone a bit early with this post. Still plenty of time left in transfer window and it’s not like Neil Warnock is Pep Guardiola or even Corberan when it comes to tactics. Players aren’t going to need a load of time to get up to speed tactically when they arrive I would have thought? If shrinking the squad is what’s needed in the short term and is necessary to do before signing players then so be it IMO.
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Post by leroy212 on Jul 13, 2023 7:04:23 GMT 1
How are Bristol spending reportedly 2 mill on a player when they posted loses of 28 mill last season and 34 the year before?! Surely to god they must be sailing extremely close to the wind. I have no desire to swap places with them financially, but I am starting to question the absolute lack of investment (and potentially weakening of) a squad that is already over reliant on the development of youngsters over established Championship quality. Literally every other club is strengthening and we’re offloading just to potentially sign 2 players. No one gets a free hit owning a football club. It’s not good enough so far. Just sit back and watch them be in big trouble next season if they don't go up. Then I doubt you'll be moaning about us not doing the same
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jul 13, 2023 8:18:34 GMT 1
Bristol are reportedly about to sell a player for about £20m so they may be investing the money now.
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Post by ruggedivy on Jul 13, 2023 9:15:21 GMT 1
Warnock in his interview with Chicken at the game yesterday stating we are looking for a starting striker!
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Post by nicovaesen on Jul 13, 2023 9:22:27 GMT 1
Announce Kane. Reason for signing Dixon ice cream (be interesting to hear him say it) plus he liked us for clapping him more than spurs fans do 🤣
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Post by portugalterrier on Jul 13, 2023 9:34:06 GMT 1
How are Bristol spending reportedly 2 mill on a player when they posted loses of 28 mill last season and 34 the year before?! Surely to god they must be sailing extremely close to the wind. I have no desire to swap places with them financially, but I am starting to question the absolute lack of investment (and potentially weakening of) a squad that is already over reliant on the development of youngsters over established Championship quality. Literally every other club is strengthening and we’re offloading just to potentially sign 2 players. No one gets a free hit owning a football club. It’s not good enough so far. They sold Semenyo for £13mill in January, just turned down £15mill for Scott.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 13, 2023 9:40:51 GMT 1
He hates us. And it is mutual: we consistently sang 'Jack Hunt's a bastard' at him last season. The vast majority of Town fans wont hate him in the slightest. they'll just see him as a lad who came through our youth set up, played very well for us during a successful period and then someone we sold on for a tidy amount of money. They dont get involved in all the social media shite and tittle tattle.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 13, 2023 9:51:57 GMT 1
Surely we're not in for Hunt. He was a bench warmer in league one. Sad times if that's the market we're shopping in
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 13, 2023 10:09:54 GMT 1
Surely we're not in for Hunt. He was a bench warmer in league one. Sad times if that's the market we're shopping in I hope we sign him and others of this type of signing and I hope Neil gets the maximum out of them. I hope..Town fan still hoping.🙄
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Post by dirtyoldtown on Jul 13, 2023 10:22:08 GMT 1
Warnock in his interview with Chicken at the game yesterday stating we are looking for a starting striker! Sam Smith, 25 year old and scored 13 and 15 for Cambridge in League One over the last two years. Currently a free agent. We could do a lot worse than him.
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Post by goodbet on Jul 13, 2023 10:35:03 GMT 1
I don't see our spending changing from what it has been the last few years. We have the years since relegation to compare when we had parachute payments in place and we will still look poor. Parachute payments were to cover the EPL wages of the players a club still had contracted, after a club was relegated. In our case Diakhaby, Mbenza and Pritchard etc - players no other club would pay a transfer fee for or take on a free and still maintain their current wages. It wasn't meant for funds in the transfer market. I agree that Parachute payments were to cover the EPL wages of the players, but we had a clause in all our players contracts that they automatically got a wage reduction on relegation, not every club has them. We never had another go at trying to get back to the Premier league and got rid of the players we had in the Premier League in what I would think was much quicker than normal compared to other relegated teams. This left us with additional money in comparison to other Championship teams so I believe that we had the opportunity to do better in the transfer market than we would have done without the payments.
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Post by goodbet on Jul 13, 2023 10:41:57 GMT 1
Surely we're not in for Hunt. He was a bench warmer in league one. Sad times if that's the market we're shopping in I hope we sign him and others of this type of signing and I hope Neil gets the maximum out of them. I hope..Town fan still hoping.🙄 No more OLD and PAST IT ex-Town players.
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Post by ritchie on Jul 13, 2023 10:48:46 GMT 1
I'm going to be Devil's Advocate here and say that I really don't think that he's going cheaply. £1m+ is decent for a player who has done the square root of nothing at Town. Yes, he's been with us a long time, and he had worked his way up, but he never impressed me that much. He was slow in possession and did all of his best work in our own half, playing the ball backwards or sideways to the centre-backs. He was often caught in possession and rarely played forward passes. There were games where he made Russell look like a world-beater! Warnock obviously didn't rate him and told him to buck his ideas up, hence his decision to up sticks. I accept that he has potential, but so has every player. How he's made the France U20s I have no idea, but let's not forget that hundreds, if not thousands, of players make age-levels and then vanish, never to be seen again. Either way, we'll soon find out. And yes, I'd imagine that we'll have a never-ending sell-on clause to help dig us out of the next inescapable financial collapse. I'm sorry but that's absolute cobblers. Yes he's done very little, because he's only just broken into the team. His ability to create a pause with little shimmies, and use his body to protect the ball, before laying it off are very good for his age. In the championship, a very physical and tough league. He played plenty of forward passes and has the ability to control the pace of a game, which is a rare quality. France has been the most successful country in the world for the last 25 years and produced some incredible players. You don't get any old mug turning out for their youth team. He has the potential to have a very good career and be sold for some quite big money - hopefully we have a good sell on fee. this have to laugh at the "hes done nothing" posts people write about kids breaking through, as if he should have carried us to an FA cup. Means nothing Players like Camara should want to stay and play at town - otherwise our whole operation fails. He will be a very good player and it's ultimately a club failure if he's leaving to a big european club for peanuts
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Post by incognito on Jul 13, 2023 11:15:08 GMT 1
How are Bristol spending reportedly 2 mill on a player when they posted loses of 28 mill last season and 34 the year before?! Surely to god they must be sailing extremely close to the wind. I have no desire to swap places with them financially, but I am starting to question the absolute lack of investment (and potentially weakening of) a squad that is already over reliant on the development of youngsters over established Championship quality. Literally every other club is strengthening and we’re offloading just to potentially sign 2 players. No one gets a free hit owning a football club. It’s not good enough so far. Looking at BCFC's accounts they must be allocating in the region of £7 million p/a of total operating costs to their Women's Team and academy (Cat 2 boys & girls) in order to scrape under the -£39m threshold. They will need a big player sale in 23/24 to sustain it.
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Post by ram on Jul 13, 2023 11:48:08 GMT 1
Holmes to Preston for free + paying off his wages? Hardly fits into "flexibility in the Market" does it ? Unless its Dewsbury market he was on about.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 13, 2023 12:21:51 GMT 1
Warnock in his interview with Chicken at the game yesterday stating we are looking for a starting striker! Sam Smith, 25 year old and scored 13 and 15 for Cambridge in League One over the last two years. Currently a free agent. We could do a lot worse than him. Would they do a job for Town ?
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 13, 2023 12:24:24 GMT 1
It’s not a promising start with Holmes and likely Camara sold. Why is the new regime seemingly getting a free hit? I think they’re hiding behind FFP a bit here. They can talk about ‘vision’ and ‘journey’ and all those other abstract concepts all they want, but this weakens an already very average squad heading into what looks like a tougher league this year. Remove the PR and this smacks of potless again I don't think we're hiding behind the EFL rules so much as working within them so as to avoid following in the footsteps of Derby County, Reading or Bradford City. I'd also suggest that "Potless" was unlucky with the impact of COVID on Pure. I understood the plan he had and could see a route to success that might have succeeded if only bat soup was a bit less delicious or Chinese disease laboratories had better biosecurity. There's much about the long term vision that makes a lot of sense to me. Jake Edwards and Mark Cartwright sound impressive, and I don't doubt the good intentions of Mr Nagle and his team. But I do wonder about us in the short term. If anyone can get a squad playing above expectations it's Mr Warnock. But we're weakening a squad that already had significant gaps in it, and all the noises coming from the club suggest we're unlikely to be able to bring in better than we've lost. People are talking about mid-table. If Neil Warnock can manage that, then we should be building a statue of "Warnock the Redeemer" on top of the Kilner Bank. As things stand, 4th bottom would be a hell of an achievement.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 13, 2023 12:31:05 GMT 1
bull shine wait till the window closes then comment utt For once, I agree with you! Clear the lads Warnock doesn’t want, gets wages off the bill and maybe some money in to get lads he wants. No-one complained about us selling Phil Starbuck, Chris Marsden, and Iwan Roberts to fund Paul Reid, Bully, Jeppo, Scully, Tommy Cowan etc did they? That worked out well 🔵⚪️✊🏼 N.B to all DATM pedants, yes I know we didn’t sell the former directly in line with buying the latter but the principle of generating funds stands. As I recall, lots of people were complaining about losing Starbuck, Roberts et al. Warnock waved his magic wand and the rest is history but I do wonder if we're asking too much of him now.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 13, 2023 12:36:29 GMT 1
Holmes to Preston for free + paying off his wages? Hardly fits into "flexibility in the Market" does it ? Unless its Dewsbury market he was on about. Allows us to sign Jack Hunt. What a time to be alive
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Jul 13, 2023 12:36:59 GMT 1
Warnock in his interview with Chicken at the game yesterday stating we are looking for a starting striker! Sam Smith, 25 year old and scored 13 and 15 for Cambridge in League One over the last two years. Currently a free agent. We could do a lot worse than him. I hope he’s Not The Only One.
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