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Post by rockwall on Jul 13, 2023 13:19:24 GMT 1
Sam Smith, 25 year old and scored 13 and 15 for Cambridge in League One over the last two years. Currently a free agent. We could do a lot worse than him. I hope he’s Not The Only One. Shame most fans have got money on their mind. |
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Post by shawsie on Jul 13, 2023 13:26:33 GMT 1
I don't think it's 'bedwetting' to be worried about our prospects for the window. We're not stupid, and recognise when there's no money to spend, we don't need to wait til the window shuts to confirm that. Can usually tell a good summer window from a bad one by this time of year. With Holmes gone, and Camara and High looking to be going, that will leave us ridiculously short in midfield. But Warnock is happy with it No money again for the 5th season in a row A few years ago i'd have agreed but so much business now done last 2 wks in Aug as the only clubs with money to spend on fees and wages are in the top flight............or those with parachute monies and players sold for big bucks. We are where we are - lets be honest, Holmes was a fringe player, Camara a prospect but a decidedly up and down one at that and High simply not good enough. I'm sure we have players lined up - but the chain further up is likely to mean some we miss out on and some we have to wait until late in the window to process - we will probably do the same with some of our young lads going out on loan - i.e. we cant let ours go out without having numbers in the door ourselves. Patience is key here - in Warnock we know we have a high calibre boss and he will hopefully deliver some unexpected pressies in the coming weeks both in terms of results and incomings. |
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Post by pilks123 on Jul 13, 2023 13:28:48 GMT 1
Sam Smith, 25 year old and scored 13 and 15 for Cambridge in League One over the last two years. Currently a free agent. We could do a lot worse than him. I hope he’s Not The Only One. There's a few Diamonds out in the lower leagues, hoping Town keep their Promises in adding a few new players. Feel like they're getting Too Good at Goodbyes with the number of players leaving at the moment. Can only Pray they add someone who's To Die For to the roster. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2023 13:33:54 GMT 1
Sam Smith would be a great signing, if he brings his two hundred pubs with him. New revenue stream, right there.
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Post by twyford on Jul 13, 2023 13:37:25 GMT 1
It’s not a promising start with Holmes and likely Camara sold. Why is the new regime seemingly getting a free hit? I think they’re hiding behind FFP a bit here. They can talk about ‘vision’ and ‘journey’ and all those other abstract concepts all they want, but this weakens an already very average squad heading into what looks like a tougher league this year. Remove the PR and this smacks of potless again I don't think we're hiding behind the EFL rules so much as working within them so as to avoid following in the footsteps of Derby County, Reading or Bradford City. I'd also suggest that "Potless" was unlucky with the impact of COVID on Pure. I understood the plan he had and could see a route to success that might have succeeded if only bat soup was a bit less delicious or Chinese disease laboratories had better biosecurity. There's much about the long term vision that makes a lot of sense to me. Jake Edwards and Mark Cartwright sound impressive, and I don't doubt the good intentions of Mr Nagle and his team. But I do wonder about us in the short term. If anyone can get a squad playing above expectations it's Mr Warnock. But we're weakening a squad that already had significant gaps in it, and all the noises coming from the club suggest we're unlikely to be able to bring in better than we've lost.People are talking about mid-table. If Neil Warnock can manage that, then we should be building a statue of "Warnock the Redeemer" on top of the Kilner Bank. As things stand, 4th bottom would be a hell of an achievement. I must have missed where the club said this (or does speculation on a club forum count as 'noises coming from the club'?) Operating within certain constraints, which the club has indicated, doesn't mean we can't bring in better than we've lost. That can be achieved through good use of free transfers and loan signings. Of course the Jury is still out on whether or not that will be achieved but so far Holmes is the only departure confirmed (with rumours around Camara, Rhodes and Boyle). I'd suggest that the latter wouldn't need replacing unless Lees is going to be out for months and that the constraints which do exist wouldn't prevent Warnock satisfactorily replacing any or all of the others which he considered necessary. Time will tell. |
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Post by pilks123 on Jul 13, 2023 13:37:47 GMT 1
Sure there's a few players at Themchester United we can rob on the cheap
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Post by golcarexile on Jul 13, 2023 13:40:24 GMT 1
Sam Smith would be a great signing, if he brings his two hundred pubs with him. New revenue stream, right there. If we could get Ayingerbrau on tap at the stadium instead of John Smith's, happy days. Three or four pints of that in the Jug and Bottle back in the day and that was me gone! |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 13, 2023 13:46:38 GMT 1
I don't think we're hiding behind the EFL rules so much as working within them so as to avoid following in the footsteps of Derby County, Reading or Bradford City. I'd also suggest that "Potless" was unlucky with the impact of COVID on Pure. I understood the plan he had and could see a route to success that might have succeeded if only bat soup was a bit less delicious or Chinese disease laboratories had better biosecurity. There's much about the long term vision that makes a lot of sense to me. Jake Edwards and Mark Cartwright sound impressive, and I don't doubt the good intentions of Mr Nagle and his team. But I do wonder about us in the short term. If anyone can get a squad playing above expectations it's Mr Warnock. But we're weakening a squad that already had significant gaps in it, and all the noises coming from the club suggest we're unlikely to be able to bring in better than we've lost.People are talking about mid-table. If Neil Warnock can manage that, then we should be building a statue of "Warnock the Redeemer" on top of the Kilner Bank. As things stand, 4th bottom would be a hell of an achievement. I must have missed where the club said this (or does speculation on a club forum count as 'noises coming from the club'?) Operating within certain constraints, which the club has indicated, doesn't mean we can't bring in better than we've lost. That can be achieved through good use of free transfers and loan signings. Of course the Jury is still out on whether or not that will be achieved but so far Holmes is the only departure confirmed (with rumours around Camara, Rhodes and Boyle). I'd suggest that the latter wouldn't need replacing unless Lees is going to be out for months and that the constraints which do exist wouldn't prevent Warnock satisfactorily replacing any or all of the others which he considered necessary. Time will tell. Referring to the suggestion that we have very little to spend. "Nothing available for fees but we've got a bit for wages" or words to that effect in an interview from Neil Warnock. Also talk of bringing in "2 or 3" players. They'll need to be bloody good ones to plug all of the gaps currently in the squad! Of course, that's my interpretation of the noises. I might be way off. There are still some very decent free agents available who might (or might not!) come here. I can accept that we may be working under some tight constraints due to some EFL ruling or other. I just fear that we're going to have to compete in a very strong league with a very, very thin squad. |
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Post by mosher on Jul 13, 2023 14:04:58 GMT 1
I'm going to be Devil's Advocate here and say that I really don't think that he's going cheaply. £1m+ is decent for a player who has done the square root of nothing at Town. Yes, he's been with us a long time, and he had worked his way up, but he never impressed me that much. He was slow in possession and did all of his best work in our own half, playing the ball backwards or sideways to the centre-backs. He was often caught in possession and rarely played forward passes. There were games where he made Russell look like a world-beater! Warnock obviously didn't rate him and told him to buck his ideas up, hence his decision to up sticks. I accept that he has potential, but so has every player. How he's made the France U20s I have no idea, but let's not forget that hundreds, if not thousands, of players make age-levels and then vanish, never to be seen again. Either way, we'll soon find out. And yes, I'd imagine that we'll have a never-ending sell-on clause to help dig us out of the next inescapable financial collapse. I'm sorry but that's absolute cobblers. Yes he's done very little, because he's only just broken into the team. His ability to create a pause with little shimmies, and use his body to protect the ball, before laying it off are very good for his age. In the championship, a very physical and tough league. He played plenty of forward passes and has the ability to control the pace of a game, which is a rare quality. France has been the most successful country in the world for the last 25 years and produced some incredible players. You don't get any old mug turning out for their youth team. He has the potential to have a very good career and be sold for some quite big money - hopefully we have a good sell on fee. 1996 UEFA Under 21 squad: France Head coach: Raymond Domenech 1 GK Lionel Letizi 2 DF Martin Djetou 3 DF Jérôme Bonnissel 4 DF Florent Laville 5 DF Patrick Moreau 6 MF Patrick Vieira 7 MF Claude Makélélé 8 MF Vikash Dhorasoo 9 FW Florian Maurice 10 MF Charles-Edouard Coridon 11 MF Robert Pires 12 DF Yannick Rott 13 MF Vincent Candela 14 MF Olivier Dacourt 15 FW Tony Vairelles 16 GK Vincent Fernandez 17 FW Pierre-Yves André 18 FW Sylvain Wiltord A few of those were pretty class, but plenty disappeared. France are just the same as any nation; plenty make it, plenty more don't. Not a dig, just read your post and wondered if it was true. This was the first squad I looked at. |
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Post by bentley316 on Jul 13, 2023 14:15:08 GMT 1
I dont believe the Jack Hunt rumour.
I think we'll get Sam Byram in, warnock mentioned him yesterday, free agent, right back. Ticks a lot of boxes.
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Post by DuffMan on Jul 13, 2023 14:23:04 GMT 1
I'm sorry but that's absolute cobblers. Yes he's done very little, because he's only just broken into the team. His ability to create a pause with little shimmies, and use his body to protect the ball, before laying it off are very good for his age. In the championship, a very physical and tough league. He played plenty of forward passes and has the ability to control the pace of a game, which is a rare quality. France has been the most successful country in the world for the last 25 years and produced some incredible players. You don't get any old mug turning out for their youth team. He has the potential to have a very good career and be sold for some quite big money - hopefully we have a good sell on fee. 1996 UEFA Under 21 squad: France Head coach: Raymond Domenech 1 GK Lionel Letizi 2 DF Martin Djetou 3 DF Jérôme Bonnissel 4 DF Florent Laville 5 DF Patrick Moreau 6 MF Patrick Vieira 7 MF Claude Makélélé 8 MF Vikash Dhorasoo 9 FW Florian Maurice 10 MF Charles-Edouard Coridon 11 MF Robert Pires 12 DF Yannick Rott 13 MF Vincent Candela 14 MF Olivier Dacourt 15 FW Tony Vairelles 16 GK Vincent Fernandez 17 FW Pierre-Yves André 18 FW Sylvain Wiltord A few of those were pretty class, but plenty disappeared. France are just the same as any nation; plenty make it, plenty more don't. Not a dig, just read your post and wondered if it was true. This was the first squad I looked at. There is also a big difference in a u20 call up and u21 call up. If you look at the 21s list it is made up of players who will be 18-21 and the cream of the crop. The u20s are usually players on the fringe and the chances of them stepping up are usually lower. |
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Post by mosher on Jul 13, 2023 14:23:15 GMT 1
He hates us. And it is mutual: we consistently sang 'Jack Hunt's a bastard' at him last season. The vast majority of Town fans wont hate him in the slightest. they'll just see him as a lad who came through our youth set up, played very well for us during a successful period and then someone we sold on for a tidy amount of money. They dont get involved in all the social media shite and tittle tattle. Agree. I didn't know about all the helmet stuff till I read it on here  |
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Post by hartyhtfc on Jul 13, 2023 14:29:02 GMT 1
I dont believe the Jack Hunt rumour. I think we'll get Sam Byram in, warnock mentioned him yesterday, free agent, right back. Ticks a lot of boxes. Sam Byram would be ideal, where is it Warnock mentions him? |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 13, 2023 14:37:32 GMT 1
I dont believe the Jack Hunt rumour. I think we'll get Sam Byram in, warnock mentioned him yesterday, free agent, right back. Ticks a lot of boxes. Sam Byram would be ideal, where is it Warnock mentions him? Mentioned bringing him through from the youth team into the first team when he was manager at Beeston Skip. Nowt specific about signing him this summer as far as I'm aware, but I'd be very happy with him. I mentioned elsewhere that there are some decent options among the free agents market and his was one of the names I was thinking of. |
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Post by calken on Jul 13, 2023 14:57:28 GMT 1
The players that we are likely to entice are those who have worked directly or indirectly with Warnock in the past. How many of Warnock's former players are in academy setups in Premier league clubs?
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Post by mosher on Jul 13, 2023 15:01:36 GMT 1
The players that we are likely to entice are those who have worked directly or indirectly with Warnock in the past. How many of Warnock's former players are in academy setups in Premier league clubs?Not many I would presume On a serious note, if I was a Prem manager I'd WANT to send some players to work under Sir Colin. You'd soon find out which ones were slackers or had a less than great attitude. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 13, 2023 15:06:59 GMT 1
The players that we are likely to entice are those who have worked directly or indirectly with Warnock in the past. How many of Warnock's former players are in academy setups in Premier league clubs? Noticed Martin Payero is back at Boro after his loan to Boca juniors. Worked under Warnock, we're looking light in midfield, particularly if/when Camara leaves. Wonder if we could get him on loan? |
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Post by pilks123 on Jul 13, 2023 15:18:13 GMT 1
The players that we are likely to entice are those who have worked directly or indirectly with Warnock in the past. How many of Warnock's former players are in academy setups in Premier league clubs? Sam Byram and Lewis Wing both without a club and worked under Warnock at Boro. Both would be useful (and realistic) additions to the team. Imagine both however have many suitors in the league though who'll pay more than we offer. It'll come down to whether the pull of Colin is more potent than an extra 5/10k a week. Doubtful |
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Post by hartyhtfc on Jul 13, 2023 15:28:42 GMT 1
The players that we are likely to entice are those who have worked directly or indirectly with Warnock in the past. How many of Warnock's former players are in academy setups in Premier league clubs? Sam Byram and Lewis Wing both without a club and worked under Warnock at Boro. Both would be useful (and realistic) additions to the team. Imagine both however have many suitors in the league though who'll pay more than we offer. It'll come down to whether the pull of Colin is more potent than an extra 5/10k a week. Doubtful I'm sort of hoping our strategy is heading to paying slightly more for wages for a select few additions, in exchange for shipping out numerous squad players and forgoing any transfer fees for the window. |
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Post by RickDangerous on Jul 13, 2023 15:35:33 GMT 1
The players that we are likely to entice are those who have worked directly or indirectly with Warnock in the past. How many of Warnock's former players are in academy setups in Premier league clubs? Sam Byram and Lewis Wing both without a club and worked under Warnock at Boro. Both would be useful (and realistic) additions to the team. Imagine both however have many suitors in the league though who'll pay more than we offer. It'll come down to whether the pull of Colin is more potent than an extra 5/10k a week. Doubtful It was abit of a surprise seeing him drop down to league 1 last season. Looked a good player whenever i've seen him. He scored a wonder goal i think back end of the season for Wycombe. |
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Post by Tiro on Jul 13, 2023 15:36:37 GMT 1
The players that we are likely to entice are those who have worked directly or indirectly with Warnock in the past. How many of Warnock's former players are in academy setups in Premier league clubs? Sam Byram and Lewis Wing both without a club and worked under Warnock at Boro. Both would be useful (and realistic) additions to the team. Imagine both however have many suitors in the league though who'll pay more than we offer. It'll come down to whether the pull of Colin is more potent than an extra 5/10k a week. Doubtful Wing hardly played under Warnock (2 apps from the bench, one start) before Warnock left in November. He was then chucked out on loan to Rotherham in Jan. |
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Post by pilks123 on Jul 13, 2023 15:53:16 GMT 1
Sam Byram and Lewis Wing both without a club and worked under Warnock at Boro. Both would be useful (and realistic) additions to the team. Imagine both however have many suitors in the league though who'll pay more than we offer. It'll come down to whether the pull of Colin is more potent than an extra 5/10k a week. Doubtful Wing hardly played under Warnock (2 apps from the bench, one start) before Warnock left in November. He was then chucked out on loan to Rotherham in Jan. Hence he's a realistic free transfer target of a previous player that Warnock will know about. Ok might not have featured on the pitch but he will have looked at him and worked with him in training at the time so hopefully has a history he can draw on (whether it's positive or not we don't know) . From his time in Wycombe last couple of years seems to have developed into a decent player and left Wycombe to hopefully move back up to the championship. Scored 9 in 44 for them last season. I remember Warnock saying in a video somewhere, that Akpom was rubbish when he first signed for Warnock. He's doing alright today.  |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 13, 2023 15:54:23 GMT 1
Warnock in his interview with Chicken at the game yesterday stating we are looking for a starting striker! Sam Smith, 25 year old and scored 13 and 15 for Cambridge in League One over the last two years. Currently a free agent. We could do a lot worse than him. Don't be bitter if this doesn't come off. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 13, 2023 16:06:53 GMT 1
I'm sorry but that's absolute cobblers. Yes he's done very little, because he's only just broken into the team. His ability to create a pause with little shimmies, and use his body to protect the ball, before laying it off are very good for his age. In the championship, a very physical and tough league. He played plenty of forward passes and has the ability to control the pace of a game, which is a rare quality. France has been the most successful country in the world for the last 25 years and produced some incredible players. You don't get any old mug turning out for their youth team. He has the potential to have a very good career and be sold for some quite big money - hopefully we have a good sell on fee. 1996 UEFA Under 21 squad: France Head coach: Raymond Domenech 1 GK Lionel Letizi 2 DF Martin Djetou 3 DF Jérôme Bonnissel 4 DF Florent Laville 5 DF Patrick Moreau 6 MF Patrick Vieira 7 MF Claude Makélélé 8 MF Vikash Dhorasoo 9 FW Florian Maurice 10 MF Charles-Edouard Coridon 11 MF Robert Pires 12 DF Yannick Rott 13 MF Vincent Candela 14 MF Olivier Dacourt 15 FW Tony Vairelles 16 GK Vincent Fernandez 17 FW Pierre-Yves André 18 FW Sylvain Wiltord A few of those were pretty class, but plenty disappeared. France are just the same as any nation; plenty make it, plenty more don't. Not a dig, just read your post and wondered if it was true. This was the first squad I looked at. Belgium have been at or very close to the top of the world rankings for what seems like ages and one of their U21s was a certain Isaac Mbenza. So I think your point that it guarantees nothing is probably right. Town have a simple business decision to make with camara if he doesnt want to be here. make him stay and he eventually moves on for almost nothing whilst his attitude might deteriorate in the meantime making him useless to us anyway. Or get what we can for him now and hope someone is prepared to pay well for what is only potential at this stage. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 13, 2023 16:25:53 GMT 1
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Post by midlander on Jul 13, 2023 16:38:26 GMT 1
I'm sorry but that's absolute cobblers. Yes he's done very little, because he's only just broken into the team. His ability to create a pause with little shimmies, and use his body to protect the ball, before laying it off are very good for his age. In the championship, a very physical and tough league. He played plenty of forward passes and has the ability to control the pace of a game, which is a rare quality. France has been the most successful country in the world for the last 25 years and produced some incredible players. You don't get any old mug turning out for their youth team. He has the potential to have a very good career and be sold for some quite big money - hopefully we have a good sell on fee. 1996 UEFA Under 21 squad: France Head coach: Raymond Domenech 1 GK Lionel Letizi 2 DF Martin Djetou 3 DF Jérôme Bonnissel 4 DF Florent Laville 5 DF Patrick Moreau 6 MF Patrick Vieira 7 MF Claude Makélélé 8 MF Vikash Dhorasoo 9 FW Florian Maurice 10 MF Charles-Edouard Coridon 11 MF Robert Pires 12 DF Yannick Rott 13 MF Vincent Candela 14 MF Olivier Dacourt 15 FW Tony Vairelles 16 GK Vincent Fernandez 17 FW Pierre-Yves André 18 FW Sylvain Wiltord A few of those were pretty class, but plenty disappeared. France are just the same as any nation; plenty make it, plenty more don't. Not a dig, just read your post and wondered if it was true. This was the first squad I looked at. Just out of interest, what are you basing the 'plenty of them disappeared' on? Quite a lot of household names on that list and then some who had very good careers in France without . Even the least well-known still played 200+ games in professional football, so they largely all had decent careers at the very least. |
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Post by Tiro on Jul 13, 2023 16:48:09 GMT 1
Wing hardly played under Warnock (2 apps from the bench, one start) before Warnock left in November. He was then chucked out on loan to Rotherham in Jan. Hence he's a realistic free transfer target of a previous player that Warnock will know about. Ok might not have featured on the pitch but he will have looked at him and worked with him in training at the time so hopefully has a history he can draw on (whether it's positive or not we don't know) . From his time in Wycombe last couple of years seems to have developed into a decent player and left Wycombe to hopefully move back up to the championship. Scored 9 in 44 for them last season. I remember Warnock saying in a video somewhere, that Akpom was rubbish when he first signed for Warnock. He's doing alright today. Wouldn't he have played him more if he liked what he saw? He was fit. And it was Carrick that turned things around for Akpom. |
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Post by Tiro on Jul 13, 2023 16:52:27 GMT 1
1996 UEFA Under 21 squad: France Head coach: Raymond Domenech 1 GK Lionel Letizi 2 DF Martin Djetou 3 DF Jérôme Bonnissel 4 DF Florent Laville 5 DF Patrick Moreau 6 MF Patrick Vieira 7 MF Claude Makélélé 8 MF Vikash Dhorasoo 9 FW Florian Maurice 10 MF Charles-Edouard Coridon 11 MF Robert Pires 12 DF Yannick Rott 13 MF Vincent Candela 14 MF Olivier Dacourt 15 FW Tony Vairelles 16 GK Vincent Fernandez 17 FW Pierre-Yves André 18 FW Sylvain Wiltord A few of those were pretty class, but plenty disappeared. France are just the same as any nation; plenty make it, plenty more don't. Not a dig, just read your post and wondered if it was true. This was the first squad I looked at. Just out of interest, what are you basing the 'plenty of them disappeared' on? Quite a lot of household names on that list and then some who had very good careers in France without . Even the least well-known still played 200+ games in professional football, so they largely all had decent careers at the very least. Quite a few of these also played for Bolton...I'm not sure if bolstered or broken your argument now, sorry. (Bonnisel, Candela, Pierre-Yves André and Djetou in case you were wondering). |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jul 13, 2023 17:05:11 GMT 1
Sam Smith would be a great signing, if he brings his two hundred pubs with him. New revenue stream, right there. never been in a Sam Smith's pub I liked. |
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Post by runner76 on Jul 13, 2023 17:11:14 GMT 1
Sam Smith would be a great signing, if he brings his two hundred pubs with him. New revenue stream, right there. never been in a Sam Smith's pub I liked. Not much a fan of he / she / it / they |
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