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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 19, 2023 18:44:11 GMT 1
Hungbo can control a ball, beat players and score goals. Sorba takes a decent set piece. Decent set pieces which our players scored goals from. Oh god you’re right why would we want that in our team. His set pieces resulted in players other than our non scoring strikers getting goals. Like I said on my other post, I’m not saying Hungbo is a poor player, but he isn’t as good or as big a threat as Thomas. I’ll caveat this by saying that Thomas WAS a threat but one I haven’t seen for quite some time. Quite simply he hasn’t performed now since prior to the play off final Let’s hope he can regain that form but if we’re looking at recent form, Hungbo the better bet |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Jul 19, 2023 18:44:55 GMT 1
He’s a class above Sorba. Stats suggest different. Hungbo: 26 games in the championship. 3 goals, 1 assist. Thomas: 100 games in the championship. 3 goals, 20 assists. So in just under 4 times as many championship games, Sorba has been directly involved in almost 6 times as many goals. Can see your argument and I can reason on both sides of the coin. Hungbo is strong, dynamic and explosive which I think adds an extra dimension. Can score a thunderbastard too. Goals we seriously lack. It's been well documented we're brutal in front of goal. Hungbo isn't the answer to that, but surely adds to it with a full season too. I'm a big fan of Sorba, and im in the camp of not letting him go. He should be 1 of the top 3-5 assets at the club. His temperament is questionable, his consistency is up and down. But, he's young and with good coaching and man management he could be so influential for us. I'd want to see how many of those 26 games he (Hungbo) started though. Just like I would do with Sorba. I like to see a minute per goal and minute per assist ratio to counter balance. Sorba was our only free kick and corner taker too. Now, his dead ball is very good for the most part. So, it doesn't surprise me he has a good amount of assists. "Featuring nine times for Watford during the first half of last season, Hungbo moved on loan to Huddersfield Town in January and scored three goals in 14 games as the Terriers secured Sky Bet Championship safety." like some have said he was on the bench a few times too. So his stats of 3 in 14 games, with him coming off the bench would put him in the goal every 3-4 games category probably in the minutes played argument. Not bad for a winger in a struggling team void of confidence fighting for their lives. I would have liked the thought of Koroma, Sorba, Hungbo, Jones. That's pace, trickery and power. It's dynamic, it's creative. We lack speed up top. Ward isn't quick as he was, Rhodes runs now in quick sand, Harrett its too early, and probably a 1 step too much just now, but who knows?! Simpson nobody knows about yet. Time will tell, buts he not clinical. Not even remotely close. This isn't a comparison between the two for me. I'm in the probable small minority of why not have both? Why have the need to choose between steak and lobster? Just have both. Surf and Turf baby!! EDIT: Transfermarkt (although not always reliable) has the fee at only 280k.... Looked into the stats for Hungbo while at Town. 14 games where he featured. 8 starts 8 sub appearances 665 minutes played. (equivalent of 7.3 games) 1 goal every 221 minutes. 1 goal in 2.5 games. Not a bad return at all. |
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Post by workshyfop on Jul 19, 2023 18:53:31 GMT 1
Hungbo can control a ball, beat players and score goals. Sorba takes a decent set piece. Decent set pieces which our players scored goals from. Oh god you’re right why would we want that in our team. His set pieces resulted in players other than our non scoring strikers getting goals. Like I said on my other post, I’m not saying Hungbo is a poor player, but he isn’t as good or as big a threat as Thomas. I didn’t say we didn’t need that in our team. Just assessing their relative merits and my opinion that Hungbo is more dangerous from open play and Sorba more from dead ball situations. I’ve never been a huge fan of ST admittedly, both his general play and apparent attitude. Hopefully Warnock can get him to knuckle down and get the best out of him. |
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Post by uw2ba on Jul 19, 2023 18:53:55 GMT 1
I can see where NW is coming from. The difference between Hungbo and Thomas is quite simple really. One works for the team and one is an individualist. Thomas works hard defensively as well as possessing probably the deadliest crossing ability in the league. It’s not Thomas’s fault that the team haven’t converted the amount of chances he has created. Hopefully we’ll be making a signing that solves this problem. I thought hungbo worked tirelessly to be honest and I was impressed as to how much effort he put in on the defensive side |
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Post by ColchTerrier on Jul 19, 2023 18:55:30 GMT 1
Might mean we are actually in for the guy from Palace on loan?
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 19, 2023 19:13:02 GMT 1
I can see where NW is coming from. The difference between Hungbo and Thomas is quite simple really. One works for the team and one is an individualist. Thomas works hard defensively as well as possessing probably the deadliest crossing ability in the league. It’s not Thomas’s fault that the team haven’t converted the amount of chances he has created. Hopefully we’ll be making a signing that solves this problem. Steve Mounie would make Thomas look like a prime Beckham |
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Post by Tiro on Jul 19, 2023 19:20:26 GMT 1
Might mean we are actually in for the guy from Palace on loan? What might and who at Palace? |
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Post by arroloui on Jul 19, 2023 19:27:49 GMT 1
Thomas had half a season when he was decent .
Once picked for Wales he decided to grow his head which resulted in him playing crap for the rest of the time .
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 19, 2023 19:42:12 GMT 1
Thomas had half a season when he was decent . Once picked for Wales he decided to grow his head which resulted in him playing crap for the rest of the time . 3 goals* and 22 assists in 1.5 seasons at town suggests otherwise. He was a big reason we finished 3rd under Carlos. His performances dropped under Fotheringham the fraud but most players did. I've no doubt a proper manager (Warnock) will get him back on track. *He does need to get more goals. |
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Post by Tiro on Jul 19, 2023 19:45:38 GMT 1
What did Blackburn fans think of ST?
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 19, 2023 19:49:44 GMT 1
Thomas had half a season when he was decent . Once picked for Wales he decided to grow his head which resulted in him playing crap for the rest of the time . If you aren't on the wind-up, you are just infuriatingly bias in your postings. Daft exaggerations or daft underplaying, whichever way you're trying to argue a point. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jul 19, 2023 19:52:52 GMT 1
Really would’ve liked to see Hungbo back. He gave us pace and power that we don’t have, and haven’t seen in a winger for quite a long time.
Got to hope that we’ve got better options for the squad as a whole. Might be that the money goes on a number 10 or striker when we’ve actually got a few wingers to potentially choose from.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 19, 2023 19:55:40 GMT 1
What did Blackburn fans think of ST? by reading their forum mate, they couldn't wait to get shut of him. |
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 19, 2023 19:57:29 GMT 1
Thomas had half a season when he was decent . Once picked for Wales he decided to grow his head which resulted in him playing crap for the rest of the time . Can I ask your opinion on the recent thrice champions mural?? 🍻 |
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jul 19, 2023 19:58:06 GMT 1
Decent set pieces which our players scored goals from. Oh god you’re right why would we want that in our team. His set pieces resulted in players other than our non scoring strikers getting goals. Like I said on my other post, I’m not saying Hungbo is a poor player, but he isn’t as good or as big a threat as Thomas. I didn’t say we didn’t need that in our team. Just assessing their relative merits and my opinion that Hungbo is more dangerous from open play and Sorba more from dead ball situations. I’ve never been a huge fan of ST admittedly, both his general play and apparent attitude. Hopefully Warnock can get him to knuckle down and get the best out of him. Fair enough and it’s only Sorbas attitude which lead to the downfall in form. On another day he’d be one of our main threats (there is a hint in there to why he went off so badly). But hopefully next season we have both options, Koroma providing the direct threat and Sorba the assists and set pieces. Best of both worlds |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 19, 2023 20:02:12 GMT 1
I didn’t say we didn’t need that in our team. Just assessing their relative merits and my opinion that Hungbo is more dangerous from open play and Sorba more from dead ball situations. I’ve never been a huge fan of ST admittedly, both his general play and apparent attitude. Hopefully Warnock can get him to knuckle down and get the best out of him. Fair enough and it’s only Sorbas attitude which lead to the downfall in form. On another day he’d be one of our main threats (there is a hint in there to why he went off so badly). But hopefully next season we have both options, Koroma providing the direct threat and Sorba the assists and set pieces. Best of both worlds I hope to god Warnock can get Thomas, to work on helping the team in the defesnsive side of the game. Running back and pointing at guys , is not defending. I understand he is a wide player, but dear god defensively his game needs work. The reason i say this is , for whatever reason if he is having a bad game yet putting a real shift in. Then the team my grind out a result. Thomas has things to work on, he is far from a complete player, this is one of them. |
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Post by Skint Terriers on Jul 19, 2023 20:05:06 GMT 1
Hungbo is not as good as you are all making him out to be. He was okay in am abysmal side and nothing more.
To the people saying we should have been all over it, why would he want to come back here? The season was a shitshow from top to bottom
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Post by tockyterrier on Jul 19, 2023 20:11:47 GMT 1
People make me laugh If anyone thinks Thomas is better than hungbo they haven't a clue about football Our clubs fans are a joke 🤣 Better have a word with Warnock then. |
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Post by arroloui on Jul 19, 2023 20:20:43 GMT 1
Thomas had half a season when he was decent . Once picked for Wales he decided to grow his head which resulted in him playing crap for the rest of the time . Can I ask your opinion on the recent thrice champions mural?? 🍻 It's Nice Hopefully it will draw a few top signings to our club in the future 😉 |
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Post by 4 pts on Jul 19, 2023 20:30:18 GMT 1
I can see where NW is coming from. The difference between Hungbo and Thomas is quite simple really. One works for the team and one is an individualist. Thomas works hard defensively as well as possessing probably the deadliest crossing ability in the league. It’s not Thomas’s fault that the team haven’t converted the amount of chances he has created. Hopefully we’ll be making a signing that solves this problem. Theres a difference between putting a ball in the box for the sake of it and lifting your head up and picking a man out in the box. I've seen players in Sunday league lift their heads up before crossing a ball. Sorba can certainly whip a ball in but its about having a footballing brain which determines if he's the deadliest in the championship......as it stands he definitely is not |
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Post by specialun on Jul 19, 2023 20:37:00 GMT 1
Hungbo raw talent and scored some beauties / important goals
But he blew hot & cold
We couldn’t trust him defensively
He didn’t start any of the 6 games we won in the last 9
In fact he only started 1 game after 7 March
That’s not saying he didn’t make a big contribution - he did - but from the bench
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Post by King Curtis on Jul 19, 2023 20:53:19 GMT 1
Never fall in love with a loan player lads...
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Post by terrier10 on Jul 19, 2023 20:59:39 GMT 1
Never fall in love with a loan player lads... Peter Butler and Peter Ndlovu are two that was gutted we never kept …sure there are more but those stand out! |
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Post by k1man999 on Jul 19, 2023 21:01:30 GMT 1
Never fall in love with a loan player lads... Peter Butler and Peter Ndlovu are two that was gutted we never kept …sure there are more but those stand out! Both quality |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 19, 2023 21:02:06 GMT 1
I can see where NW is coming from. The difference between Hungbo and Thomas is quite simple really. One works for the team and one is an individualist. Thomas works hard defensively as well as possessing probably the deadliest crossing ability in the league. It’s not Thomas’s fault that the team haven’t converted the amount of chances he has created. Hopefully we’ll be making a signing that solves this problem. Theres a difference between putting a ball in the box for the sake of it and lifting your head up and picking a man out in the box. I've seen players in Sunday league lift their heads up before crossing a ball. Sorba can certainly whip a ball in but its about having a footballing brain which determines if he's the deadliest in the championship......as it stands he definitely is not Thomas may appear to be in a defensive position, often after jogging back. His actual defending consists of shimmying and then pointing at his man who has left him. Or being the edge of the box patrol for defending free kicks, that went well. He does not like to head the ball either, which isnt helpful anywhere on the pitch, its not essential but it helps. He is our player and I want him to add to his game and leave out the stupidity but the truth is I dont know if he is going to frame or take his bat home. |
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Jul 19, 2023 21:06:26 GMT 1
Never fall in love with a loan player lads... Peter Butler and Peter Ndlovu are two that was gutted we never kept …sure there are more but those stand out! I'm gutted we never signed Ben Thornley permanently after his loan. Shame we picked his twin brother instead. |
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Post by willo on Jul 19, 2023 22:18:45 GMT 1
Peter Butler and Peter Ndlovu are two that was gutted we never kept …sure there are more but those stand out! I'm gutted we never signed Ben Thornley permanently after his loan. Shame we picked his twin brother instead. Just spat my wine out. 😆 |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 19, 2023 22:24:45 GMT 1
Hungbo seemed to play more as a 2nd striker than a winger. Sorba can't play that role cos he's worse at finishing than Hogg.
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Post by flevans on Jul 19, 2023 22:54:10 GMT 1
Why weren’t we all over this? Yeah, that's really really disappointing |
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Post by haveitback on Jul 19, 2023 23:25:52 GMT 1
The Hungbo transfer is a strange one, I've been quite relaxed about our lack of activity so far but with two weeks to the start of the season we really need to get our shit in order for the start of the season.
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