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Post by crux on Jul 25, 2023 14:52:11 GMT 1
How can we be behind a team coming out of an embargo and have no money with an owner imprisoned for fraud financially? Yet we are restricted by FFP. Surely cardiffs priority is to pay for sala. If they say they can’t afford to how are they getting round paying for Moore. We must be really restricted. We don’t have the income of other teams. Cheap season tickets and not a thriving town anymore attracting big businesses in. Terrible infrastructure compared to other similar towns so we don’t have competition for our marketing space. I remember a friend who sponsored town before and during the PL seasons and Leeds. When we were in the PL our fees were less than a third of Leeds in the championship for the same sponsorship opportunity. Cardiff will be closer to Leeds than us in commercial revenues. FFP is about spending a proportion of your income. Council is shocking at supporting business or creating a thriving environment for business, doesn’t help You could have ended the last line at 'Council is shocking.' 😗😉🤣 |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 25, 2023 15:08:26 GMT 1
Off to the MLS for £5 million Good move for him. over there he will be like Ronaldo the 90's version lol. He's never hit double figures in the league for any club over here, maybe he'll get a chance now? The MLS has improved massively over the last few years though so I wouldn't put a bet on him doing it. |
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Post by emleyterrier on Jul 25, 2023 15:18:41 GMT 1
Yes he should cos he wasn't good enough for ghe Greedy League. Unfortunately one of his replacements was as bad and the other far worse. To prove a point he's done nothing at Stoke or Reading since he left us. I would suggest both were worse. Mbenza had a few months in the championship of taking good free kicks but in the PL he was even less effective than Diakhaby - let alone Ince. I do agree that we were right to replace Ince though. As you say, he wasn't good enough at that level. Just a shame what we replaced him with. The business we did in 17/18 was not bad at all. Zanka, Depoitre, Malone, Kachunga, Sabiri < 5m Ince, Mooy: 5-10m Mounie, Pritchard: >10m Hadergjonaj, Kongolo, Lossl, Palmer: Loan Williams, Green: Free Recruitment team did well, we built a very tidy side. Always thought Ince worked hard and from a purely business perspective he retained his value when we sold him. Sabiri for me is always the one that got away, but he came with the attitude issues. IMO the recruitment that season was very safe. Built the squad around 'cheaper' but experienced players. Yes we did spend big on some like Mounie, but if you looked at Brighton, they spent a lot more on strikers such as Andone and he was crap. Mounie hit double figure in Ligue 1 so was not a total unknown. Only really bad deals looking back were Pritchard and Kongolo, but both did play a big part in keeping us up. Goes without saying 18/19 was a car crash The transfer policy went out the window Grant, Bacuna, Lossl, Hadergjonaj: <5 m Sobhi: 5-10m Diakhaby, Mbenza: 10-15m Kongolo: 20m Puncheon: Loan Durm, Hamer: Free Still can't believe we signed a player for 20 million that I'm still not sure on if he was a left back or centre back. We made such a poor use of the loan market. Went away from signing players with little risk e.g. Depoitre, Malone and started chucking 10s millions on players with little experience. I know people hate Bacuna but for the money spent he was not a bad signing and the signings we should have made that year. Grant another example of this, and one Town made good money on. But it wasn't just an issue with signings, it was also getting rid of Malone and Ince who were ok, but they were proven and replaced with Durm and Mbenza/Diakhaby who had never kicked a ball in England before. The Premier League recruitment gets slated all the time, but IMO the first season was good, it was just the second that was beyond dire (didn't help either we spent all off season signing wingers only for Wagner to move to a winger-less formation when the window shut) |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 25, 2023 15:38:56 GMT 1
Both were the best of a bad bunch but miles off being PL regulars which was what was needed and neither had any re-sale value! You could add Pritchard I suppose although he at least produced something albeit not a lot. Ince of course is nowhere near the list   Hopefully you can now accept I was absolutely correct about Tom and the folly of replacing him with the dross that we did How Pritchard is on that list and Bacuna is, is beyond astonishing. |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 25, 2023 18:28:56 GMT 1
Very good signing if they pull it off. Wouldn't expect them to be struggling this year if they did. Exactly the type of striker Warnock would want but seems we're not at the races financially. Surprised they can afford much given they're having to pay the Sala fee now. No idea how Cardiff manage under FFP, especially after finally coughing up for Sala. Probably subsidised by the government like the free prescriptions they get |
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Post by Lightcliffe Terrier on Jul 26, 2023 10:30:34 GMT 1
Simpson gone
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Post by leroy212 on Jul 26, 2023 10:33:51 GMT 1
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Post by townrwe on Jul 26, 2023 10:36:22 GMT 1
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 26, 2023 10:41:32 GMT 1
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 26, 2023 10:43:43 GMT 1
Good move for him, providing he gets game time.
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Post by hartyhtfc on Jul 26, 2023 10:50:18 GMT 1
Good move, 21 is still very young for a striker. Hopefully lots of game time for him to build up his game fitness and sharpness in front of goal.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 26, 2023 11:10:40 GMT 1
Good move for Simpson at a level that is a step up from what he's done before
Also it shows that while NW is happy to talk up Koroma, Thomas, Rudoni, REG etc ... if he doesn't feel you'll offer something in the next 12 months he'll move you. So he's not giving those lads faint praise and he clearly rates them and wants them around playing a lot of games this year
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Post by ruggedivy on Jul 26, 2023 11:28:47 GMT 1
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 26, 2023 11:33:47 GMT 1
So the current ins and outs as I see it are:
Ins- Maxwell
Outs
Camara- Undisclosed
Daly- Released
Crichlow- Released
Grant- Released
Holmes- Free
Boyle- Undisclosed
Bilokapic- Undisclosed
Simpson- Loan
Vaclik- Released
Kamberi- Released
Schofield- Released
Aaron's- Released
Our financial situation must be absolutely pitiful if we can release all that lot and still not have a pot to piss in.
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Post by terriers2000 on Jul 26, 2023 11:34:36 GMT 1
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Post by mooythegoat on Jul 26, 2023 11:37:05 GMT 1
So the current ins and outs as I see it are: Ins- Maxwell Outs Camara- Undisclosed Daly- Released Crichlow- Released Grant- Released Holmes- Free Boyle- Undisclosed Bilokapic- Undisclosed Simpson- Loan Vaclik- Released Kamberi- Released Schofield- Released Aaron's- Released Our financial situation must be absolutely pitiful if we can release all that lot and still not have a pot to piss in. I mean in Town's defence half of those lot didn't even play last year or aren't at the level required. Basically just bad Bromby signings. Let's see what happens before the end of the Transfer Window. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 26, 2023 11:42:53 GMT 1
So the current ins and outs as I see it are: Ins- Maxwell Outs Camara- Undisclosed Daly- Released Crichlow- Released Grant- Released Holmes- Free Boyle- Undisclosed Bilokapic- Undisclosed Simpson- Loan Vaclik- Released Kamberi- Released Schofield- Released Aaron's- Released Our financial situation must be absolutely pitiful if we can release all that lot and still not have a pot to piss in. NW has said from the the start - before anyone left - there was room for a couple of signings. With the outgoings there should be space you'd think for 4 or 5 new faces (especially if Rhodes and Mahoney go) You could also add to that list the loanees; Lowton, Knockhart, Wagstaff and Smith We also let about 10 leave the young team and only brought in 5 so savings there I don't think money is the issue now - but it needs to be the right player and sometimes the better quality ones take a bit more effort/ patience I also expect we'll be in for loanees. NW remit is 12 months so having 3 loanees makes sense so the new bloke next summer has space to shape the squad they want and not inherit too many NW players |
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 26, 2023 11:43:04 GMT 1
So the current ins and outs as I see it are: Ins- Maxwell Outs Camara- Undisclosed Daly- Released Crichlow- Released Grant- Released Holmes- Free Boyle- Undisclosed Bilokapic- Undisclosed Simpson- Loan Vaclik- Released Kamberi- Released Schofield- Released Aaron's- Released Our financial situation must be absolutely pitiful if we can release all that lot and still not have a pot to piss in. I mean in Town's defence half of those lot didn't even play last year or aren't at the level required. Basically just bad Bromby signings. Let's see what happens before the end of the Transfer Window. I agree, half of them were shite but they must have freed up plenty of space on the wage bill. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 26, 2023 11:50:00 GMT 1
Hopefully, but I doubt Simpson's loan has much (if any) bearing on that. Even if we had millions to spunk this summer, this would be a good move all round. He's unlikely to get much game time here this season. Now he has the chance to develop elsewhere and we can see him in regular first team action, either ready to compete for a first team place, loan elsewhere or move on completely. |
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 26, 2023 11:55:25 GMT 1
Hopefully, but I doubt Simpson's loan has much (if any) bearing on that. Even if we had millions to spunk this summer, this would be a good move all round. He's unlikely to get much game time here this season. Now he has the chance to develop elsewhere and we can see him in regular first team action, either ready to compete for a first team place, loan elsewhere or move on completely. This is the thing for me, you can't actually argue with any of the outgoings. None were first team regulars (perhaps bar Holmes) and had we already had 2-3 through the door I think we would all be pretty pleased. Hopefully we can get some in before Plymouth |
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Post by mooythegoat on Jul 26, 2023 12:03:03 GMT 1
The issue with the loan market is Premier League clubs always taken their best youth on pre season now, has been the case the past 2/3 years more than ever. So it really is a patience game waiting for them to comeback. I'd rather be patient and get the best (look at the rubbish we got on loan last year) but unfortunately its not like the days when we got Mooy Palmer etc wrapped up early July.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 26, 2023 12:07:38 GMT 1
The issue with the loan market is Premier League clubs always taken their best youth on pre season now, has been the case the past 2/3 years more than ever. So it really is a patience game waiting for them to comeback. I'd rather be patient and get the best (look at the rubbish we got on loan last year) but unfortunately its not like the days when we got Mooy Palmer etc wrapped up early July. Mbete was away with City in pre season last year wasn't he? It is certainly no indicator as to whether they're going to be any good |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jul 26, 2023 12:07:55 GMT 1
So the current ins and outs as I see it are: Ins- Maxwell Outs Camara- Undisclosed Daly- Released Crichlow- Released Grant- Released Holmes- Free Boyle- Undisclosed Bilokapic- Undisclosed Simpson- Loan Vaclik- Released Kamberi- Released Schofield- Released Aaron's- Released Our financial situation must be absolutely pitiful if we can release all that lot and still not have a pot to piss in. this is getting dull. Other than Camara none of these increase our bank balance. They do reduce future outgoings. which is what needed to happen to give us room to manoeuvre. In addition, not one of these outgoings significantly weakens our starting XI. It barely impacts the match day squad. Realistically, only Camara, Simpson and Boyle would be likely to be involved on matchdays, and we now have Yuta back, as well as Harratt looking a bigger threat than Simpson. Plus we have Sorba back too, and REG is capable of playing the Camara role (this may well be where Colin sees him long term) Everyone needs to calm their tits. |
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Post by mooythegoat on Jul 26, 2023 12:12:10 GMT 1
The issue with the loan market is Premier League clubs always taken their best youth on pre season now, has been the case the past 2/3 years more than ever. So it really is a patience game waiting for them to comeback. I'd rather be patient and get the best (look at the rubbish we got on loan last year) but unfortunately its not like the days when we got Mooy Palmer etc wrapped up early July. Mbete was away with City in pre season last year wasn't he? It is certainly no indicator as to whether they're going to be any good Yeah you're right he was actually because he played in that game against Barca. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 26, 2023 12:16:08 GMT 1
I think Ern was fully behind the patient approach at the end of last season . Before his annual pre season meltdown . We need and I'm sure will get some players who are first team ready. Each and every one of the guys who have exited aren't that . Bar Camara and we didn't really have any choice with him . If players like Simpson critchlow or Boyle had stayed and were anywhere near the first team the same people would be kicking off as the ones kicking off that they left
I also find it interesting that people don't count koroma and ruffels as incoming.
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Post by Moooooy on Jul 26, 2023 12:20:31 GMT 1
So the current ins and outs as I see it are: Ins- Maxwell Outs Camara- Undisclosed Daly- Released Crichlow- Released Grant- Released Holmes- Free Boyle- Undisclosed Bilokapic- Undisclosed Simpson- Loan Vaclik- Released Kamberi- Released Schofield- Released Aaron's- Released Our financial situation must be absolutely pitiful if we can release all that lot and still not have a pot to piss in. We need to bring in a midfielder, striker and a winger to replace that lot, if we do then it has been a good summer. The squad was bloated with fringe players who weren’t good enough to start (or even get in the squad) every week, we’ve got rid of a lot of them and now we just need to bring in some first team players to replace them. I’m happy for us to take our time getting replacements as long as they’re good players. |
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 26, 2023 12:27:09 GMT 1
I think Ern was fully behind the patient approach at the end of last season . Before his annual pre season meltdown . We need and I'm sure will get some players who are first team ready. Each and every one of the guys who have exited aren't that . Bar Camara and we didn't really have any choice with him . If players like Simpson critchlow or Boyle had stayed and were anywhere near the first team the same people would be kicking off as the ones kicking off that they left I also find it interesting that people don't count koroma and ruffels as incoming. Would you care to highlight the post where I have had a meltdown? Certainly news to me. I really cba arguing with you anymore Ted. You are tiresome. You might think the 1st 11 is all rosy but I don't. Koroma vs Burnley (H) was diabolical and although he was brilliant at the end of last year you never know which version you are going to get. I wouldn't be pinning any hopes on him. When we had Nakayama last season we were bottom of the league so again, I wouldn't be pinning any hopes on him either. Bith may be brilliant and I sincerely hope they are, however as I see it this is a first 11 that came a cock hair away from relegation and it has yet to be strengthened. Whether you and Grim agree with that or not I don't care. I'm giving an opinion and my personal perspective. Don't let it ruin your lunch |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 26, 2023 12:30:40 GMT 1
Bet that CB from Birmingham will be glad Simpsons gone. But unless we bring someone with similar attributes we've no striker with pace or power in the squad now. The lack of pace, as a squad, is worrying.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 26, 2023 12:54:10 GMT 1
The question may be and that will be asked at the end of the window, can Neil and staff have the same effect over 46 games as 12, given we may have a very, similar squad.??
Should we make 2 or 3 signings between now and then, the question may be moot or slightly different???
As nothing is set as yet, the question being asked is somewhat pointless. A fast signing or a drawn out one does not guarantee anything from either. Neils experience and signings that suit him may guarantee at least a better chance of them working for us??
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Post by twyford on Jul 26, 2023 12:55:37 GMT 1
So the current ins and outs as I see it are: Ins- Maxwell Outs Camara- Undisclosed Daly- Released Crichlow- Released Grant- Released Holmes- Free Boyle- Undisclosed Bilokapic- Undisclosed Simpson- Loan Vaclik- Released Kamberi- Released Schofield- Released Aaron's- Released Our financial situation must be absolutely pitiful if we can release all that lot and still not have a pot to piss in. NW has said from the the start - before anyone left - there was room for a couple of signings. With the outgoings there should be space you'd think for 4 or 5 new faces (especially if Rhodes and Mahoney go) You could also add to that list the loanees; Lowton, Knockhart, Wagstaff and Smith
We also let about 10 leave the young team and only brought in 5 so savings there I don't think money is the issue now - but it needs to be the right player and sometimes the better quality ones take a bit more effort/ patience I also expect we'll be in for loanees. NW remit is 12 months so having 3 loanees makes sense so the new bloke next summer has space to shape the squad they want and not inherit too many NW players And Hungbo |
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Hopefully you can now accept I was absolutely correct about Tom and the folly of replacing him with the dross that we did 
