Summer 2023 Transfer Thread

[ringdisco]

Jul 27, 2023 8:31:49 GMT 1 Maynardblue said:

Hopefully this thread will get back on track today

Much ado about, well, more or less nothing.

[Captainslapper]

Jul 27, 2023 9:59:19 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Jul 27, 2023 8:09:05 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Episode 2 - How to run a club with no brass.... with Cashless Kev.

Only joking by the way before you start.

27th of July today and no signings... You buy the season tickets and we will sell all the players.

If this was happening under any other custodians then there would be protests... Good job we trust warnock as that has bought some serious time for Kevin and Co.... but they need to start acting... lose a game and the place will be in meltdown and like last year the toxicity at times it can be hard to come back from... the trust is 100% in warnock, if anyone thinks they will get the same free ride next summer when warnock is no longer.. .. think again.

So what do you think people expect?

We have been told we have to be careful with our budget (the reasons for that can be debated until the cows come home but it won't change the reality).

We have not been told to expect a massive investment on the playing side or any immediate push for the Premier League.

NW has said he agreed to stay to allow the new regime some time to bed in, he has also said he fully expects us to be competitive.

All parties, NW and the new recruitment team/CEO have acknowledged we need new resources - they just need to be the right fit, and yes that includes budget.

I am not so naïve to think that in the face of some poor results there won't be a disproportionate level of criticism but we have to be realistic and challenge, if required, Mr Nagle on his plans after he and his team have had a chance to establish themselves. I am hopeful they will maintain the communication and keep a regular and positive dialogue with fans.

The truth is we are back to square one with a new regime, a new approach but with the knowledge that being successful isn't impossible at our club. Jake Edwards said "there is so much potential" (at Town). That was by far the best thing I have heard from the club, officially, in years. If Mr Nagle and team believe in that potential there is every chance we can and will be successful, but that will be in the long term and not because we might lose a few games in the first half of this season.

Mr Nagle and his team have done nothing to engender any toxic response and they deserve time to establish their plans and personality, we need to remember that if we get beaten 0-3 at home by Leicester (as an example).

Time will be the judge but as ever in football, and life, time is scarce commodity but despite that sad fact we need to have some context and be fair minded in our assessment.

UTT

Im not sure Im quite onboard with the potential they talk about.
In terms of attendances we are pretty much as good as its likely to get already in any season outside the PL. Have Town ever averaged bigger gates outside the top flight?? Maybe in the early and mid 50s but other than that I doubt it and usually its been much lower.
Theres potential to increase what we pay for SCs, but in truth that would reduce those attendances.
Is there potential to sell more merchandise ( we seem to sell a lot of shirts ) or commercial activities?.. maybe.

The only obvious potential I can see for expansion is around the stadium complex if Nagle gets ownership of KSDL assets. Lots could be done there but would take enormous investment to realise it.

Nagle didnt get involved for the good of HTFC like previous owners have...hed never even heard of us...so whilst running the club by its own means as much as possible sounds great if it still means you can compete...chances are it means having the success ( financial ) that he got involved for is extremely unlikely.
Basically if he wants to make money, hes going to have to be prepared to lose a lot whilst trying.

[supercol23]

Huddersfield Town Manager Neil Warnock commented:

“A right back has been a priority for us this summer due to Ollie Turton’s injury, so it’s great that we can welcome Tom to the club today.

“In terms of what we were looking for, he fits the bill. Importantly he matches the rest of the squad in that he’s a good, solid character and a hard worker. He’s also got good experience of the Championship, and he will hit the ground running with us having been a part of Stoke’s first team pre-season.

“He’s shown his ability during his career, but when you speak to him it’s clear how desperate he is to show exactly what he’s capable of with us. I’m sure our fans will get right behind him in our colours this season.”

[Tinpot]

Jul 26, 2023 18:37:15 GMT 1 warnockbrasil said:

Jul 26, 2023 18:30:43 GMT 1 Up the Duff. said:

Warnock has performed many miracles in his career, keeping clubs up and getting many clubs promoted, that does not mean he guarantees us safety over a full season. Too many I believe simply think we CANNOT be relegated with Warnock in charge, some think even a relegation battle is impossible with warnock in charge and i think that is a dangerous mindset. He isn't a miracle worker and that means the current squad does need strengthening in a number of areas. Last year we approached the season, after being in the play off final, believing we didn't need any real signings to finish mid table.. look how that turned out.

Some people are simply raising their concerns at our lack of transfer activity but most of them, I am sure, appreciate that there is still plenty of time left in the transfer window. So let's wait and see where we are at the end of it.

If you question it, your posts are labeled Inflamatory..  It has been a bad window.  And everyone here will turn on Warnock once this quad inevitably struggles.  

There's a difference between questioning things and firing out barbs.

It's too early to say whether Nagle's tenure will be successful. I started out with cautious optimism. That has been replaced with cautious pessimism. I'm concerned for this season but I'm not going to write off our new owners before their first ever transfer window has closed.

I'm questioning things, believe me.

[terriers2000]

Is that it for today or possible 1 or 2 more?

[Floyds]

I like the description of him from Stoke fans:

"Fat, lazy, nights out in the town" and "A right back that's a bit of a loose cannon who runs like he's got a washing machine on his back".

Sounds a great lad

[Porrohman]

How very underwhelming 🙄

[crux]

Jul 27, 2023 10:46:09 GMT 1 Floyds said:

I like the description of him from Stoke fans:

"Fat, lazy, nights out in the town" and "A right back that's a bit of a loose cannon who runs like he's got a washing machine on his back".

Sounds a great lad

If he can play, Neil & Ronnie will sort him out. They might make him train with Diarra on his back if they've read that comment 🤣

Underwhelming, but a position we needed cover for. Plus, if he is shite, then it's only a loan deal for a year.

[hoggy1975]

Just a signing to tick us over until Turton returns and gets up to speed. Not exciting but will be some squad cover.

If we had more budget we could have got someone better, but hopefully they are saving the money for a good striker and hopefully a technical CM.

[rockwall]

Cue the Bromby went back to old players and now we have someone who goes to ex clubs brigade.

[bells ringing :)]

Jul 27, 2023 10:51:49 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Cue the Bromby went back to old players and now we have someone who goes to ex clubs brigade.

Cartwright - i will get my little black book out comment, his black book extends to stoke. Bromby's extended to old ex team mates .

[htfcterry]

Just spoke to a Barnsley fan who wishes he still had Tom Edwards with them. Looked good before his injury apparently.

[paulmat]

While not the most exciting signing, the fact that it's come out of nowhere might be a positive sign that other signings may be closer than the rumour mill would have you believe

[Sparrow]

Decent enough signing with Turton our injured and Spencer still not really ready for the Championship.

[townrwe]

Brilliant.... .a RB not good enough to play for fucking STOKE......

[hartyhtfc]

I mean we did need a right back, and now we have one that is probably costing us next to nothing. Shame it isn't a permanent though

[thomo]

Sounds ok as back up to Turton. One thing for sure he won't be allowed to be lazy with Warnock around. And Warnock can certainly help players who have lost their way a little.
Hopefully being a cheapo it leaves more money in the pot for signings that improve the first team. Hope we steal in and get Kieffer Moore from under the noses of Cardfiff. Perfect signing imho.

[dugnet]

Jul 27, 2023 10:42:12 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Jul 27, 2023 9:59:19 GMT 1 dugnet said:

So what do you think people expect?

We have been told we have to be careful with our budget (the reasons for that can be debated until the cows come home but it won't change the reality).

We have not been told to expect a massive investment on the playing side or any immediate push for the Premier League.

NW has said he agreed to stay to allow the new regime some time to bed in, he has also said he fully expects us to be competitive.

All parties, NW and the new recruitment team/CEO have acknowledged we need new resources - they just need to be the right fit, and yes that includes budget.

I am not so naïve to think that in the face of some poor results there won't be a disproportionate level of criticism but we have to be realistic and challenge, if required, Mr Nagle on his plans after he and his team have had a chance to establish themselves. I am hopeful they will maintain the communication and keep a regular and positive dialogue with fans.

The truth is we are back to square one with a new regime, a new approach but with the knowledge that being successful isn't impossible at our club. Jake Edwards said "there is so much potential" (at Town). That was by far the best thing I have heard from the club, officially, in years. If Mr Nagle and team believe in that potential there is every chance we can and will be successful, but that will be in the long term and not because we might lose a few games in the first half of this season.

Mr Nagle and his team have done nothing to engender any toxic response and they deserve time to establish their plans and personality, we need to remember that if we get beaten 0-3 at home by Leicester (as an example).

Time will be the judge but as ever in football, and life, time is scarce commodity but despite that sad fact we need to have some context and be fair minded in our assessment.

UTT

Im not sure Im quite onboard with the potential they talk about.
In terms of attendances we are pretty much as good as its likely to get already in any season outside the PL. Have Town ever averaged bigger gates outside the top flight?? Maybe in the early and mid 50s but other than that I doubt it and usually its been much lower.
Theres potential to increase what we pay for SCs, but in truth that would reduce those attendances.
Is there potential to sell more merchandise ( we seem to sell a lot of shirts ) or commercial activities?.. maybe.

The only obvious potential I can see for expansion is around the stadium complex if Nagle gets ownership of KSDL assets. Lots could be done there but would take enormous investment to realise it.

Nagle didnt get involved for the good of HTFC like previous owners have...hed never even heard of us...so whilst running the club by its own means as much as possible sounds great if it still means you can compete...chances are it means having the success ( financial ) that he got involved for is extremely unlikely.
Basically if he wants to make money, hes going to have to be prepared to lose a lot whilst trying.

Some fair points but I would note that Mr Nagle's "success" from Town might not be in a direct financial return from HTAFC but what he might be able to leverage from Town e.g. be successful in England and generate more investment for Sacramento. Over time we will see what his model is and judge how "successful" he has been.

I do think we are guilty of "talking ourselves down" and setting the limit of what the club is capable of sustaining. There is no reason why Town can't aspire to be more successful. Success attracts people and who is to say if Mr Nagle is successful that he can't pass the club onto a different investor with more financial clout. I don't see any benefit in taking Town on and trying to make a few bob, I have to believe there is a wider aim.

With regard to ticket prices I think it is invitable that prices will increase, in line with the economy in general. How people perceive the value of that cost will depend directly on what they see on the pitch. This was ever thus.

If however you don't believe in your potential you will never realise it. As I have said many times before belief costs absolutely nothing.

[midlander]

Was very highly rated when coming through at Stoke and had a good start to career under Hughes. Lost his way and injuries hindered his development. However, had started to get some form back at Barnsley last season, before injury hit again. He is a good age and adds important depth to that RB area. Like Maxwell,this seems like a solid, low-cost signing. We all know we need a starting CF, a CM and possibly another wide option, but am sure the club are trying to get those over the line as well.

[Jimuano]

right, who's the next #terrierinbound

[mosher]

Jul 27, 2023 11:23:21 GMT 1 Jimuano said:

right, who's the next #terrierinbound

Someone who'll get slagged off before we see him play no doubt.

[VLP Fan Club]

[Waterloo Terrier]

Imagine narrowly missing out on promotion, selling your biggest asset for top money and then plowing it back into your team. That’ll never catch on.

[terriersyndrome]

Jul 27, 2023 11:33:59 GMT 1 VLP Fan Club said:

Apparently Leeds were linked with him recently.

[Captainslapper]

Jul 27, 2023 11:18:45 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Jul 27, 2023 10:42:12 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Im not sure Im quite onboard with the potential they talk about.
In terms of attendances we are pretty much as good as its likely to get already in any season outside the PL. Have Town ever averaged bigger gates outside the top flight?? Maybe in the early and mid 50s but other than that I doubt it and usually its been much lower.
Theres potential to increase what we pay for SCs, but in truth that would reduce those attendances.
Is there potential to sell more merchandise ( we seem to sell a lot of shirts ) or commercial activities?.. maybe.

The only obvious potential I can see for expansion is around the stadium complex if Nagle gets ownership of KSDL assets. Lots could be done there but would take enormous investment to realise it.

Nagle didnt get involved for the good of HTFC like previous owners have...hed never even heard of us...so whilst running the club by its own means as much as possible sounds great if it still means you can compete...chances are it means having the success ( financial ) that he got involved for is extremely unlikely.
Basically if he wants to make money, hes going to have to be prepared to lose a lot whilst trying.

Some fair points but I would note that Mr Nagle's "success" from Town might not be in a direct financial return from HTAFC but what he might be able to leverage from Town e.g. be successful in England and generate more investment for Sacramento. Over time we will see what his model is and judge how "successful" he has been.

I do think we are guilty of "talking ourselves down" and setting the limit of what the club is capable of sustaining. There is no reason why Town can't aspire to be more successful. Success attracts people and who is to say if Mr Nagle is successful that he can't pass the club onto a different investor with more financial clout. I don't see any benefit in taking Town on and trying to make a few bob, I have to believe there is a wider aim.

With regard to ticket prices I think it is invitable that prices will increase, in line with the economy in general. How people perceive the value of that cost will depend directly on what they see on the pitch. This was ever thus.

If however you don't believe in your potential you will never realise it. As I have said many times before belief costs absolutely nothing.

I wasnt talking the club down so I hope it didnt come across like that.
Im just struggling to see the enormous potential they mention when for a club our size we're already running at a pretty high level in terms of support.

'Potentially' we could establish ourselves in the PL..as could lots and lots of other clubs. But realistically thats very unlikely to happen without some significant investment ( think of Brighton for example )
If hes not prepared to put in that significant investment ( maybe he is, maybe he isnt ) then Im not seeing where this potential is really, unless we're extremely well run ( Brentford )

[crux]

Jul 27, 2023 11:44:11 GMT 1 Waterloo Terrier said:

Imagine narrowly missing out on promotion, selling your biggest asset for top money and then plowing it back into your team. That’ll never catch on.

Not sure they're £40M+ in debt and owned by someone who doesn't really want to be there and funding an ongoing deficit 😗😉.

[bentley316]

Jul 27, 2023 11:33:59 GMT 1 VLP Fan Club said:

Dont worry he'll see the John Smiths on Saturday and demand a move to us.

[hoggy1975]

Jul 27, 2023 11:50:57 GMT 1 crux said:

Jul 27, 2023 11:44:11 GMT 1 Waterloo Terrier said:

Imagine narrowly missing out on promotion, selling your biggest asset for top money and then plowing it back into your team. That’ll never catch on.

Not sure they're £40M+ in debt and owned by someone who doesn't really want to be there and funding an ongoing deficit 😗😉.

Since when were we 40m in debt? Thought the debt issue was sorted with the takeover.

Unless I missed something.

[crux]

Jul 27, 2023 12:03:40 GMT 1 hoggy1975 said:

Jul 27, 2023 11:50:57 GMT 1 crux said:

Not sure they're £40M+ in debt and owned by someone who doesn't really want to be there and funding an ongoing deficit 😗😉.

Since when were we 40m in debt? Thought the debt issue was sorted with the takeover.

Unless I missed something.

I presumed he was making comparisons to last summer when we lost at Wembley, then sold O'brien etc, etc.

[pilks123]

Jul 27, 2023 11:50:57 GMT 1 crux said:

Jul 27, 2023 11:44:11 GMT 1 Waterloo Terrier said:

Imagine narrowly missing out on promotion, selling your biggest asset for top money and then plowing it back into your team. That’ll never catch on.

Not sure they're £40M+ in debt and owned by someone who doesn't really want to be there and funding an ongoing deficit 😗😉.

Ironically they're in a worse position.

In their latest accounts Coventry made a loss of -6.7m in 2022 (-4.7m in 2021) and are -34.5m on their balance sheet.
To put this in context town made a loss of of -3.6m in 2022 (2.7m PROFIT in 2021) and are -20.3m on their balance sheet.

I don't want to go into another finance debate but put very simply the balance sheet figures are the "value" of the club less it's debt. So either they are worth next to nothing or there are bigger loans in play at Coventry than what we had/have.

We've supposedly cancelled most of ours as part of the takeover too.

Shows the huge difference in mentality of clubs in this league, Coventry remember didn't have a ground until very recently are really pushing for promotion by reinvesting significant sums of their Gyokeres windfall. Will this bite them in the arse, only time will tell.