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Post by Hazza on Jul 27, 2023 18:40:08 GMT 1
I was trying to work out whether Warnock and Kieffer Moore had worked together at Cardiff or Rotherham but I think they’ve just missed each other twice. He would surely be right up Warnock’s street but doubt he can pull on any prior relationship.
I also thought some bigger Championship clubs would be in for him but looks like he’s off to Cardiff so I’m sure Neil’s looked at it. Imagine wages…..⬆️
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 27, 2023 18:52:46 GMT 1
I suppose, and I think you have said this here, it is that we could be a Brighton or a Brentford. I do think there are some, and I am definitely not putting you in this bracket, who have seen us as punching above our weight (and not capable of better). It is true that a level of investment is required but I would note that NW, Jake Edwards and Cartwright will be of a level that attracts a competitive salary i.e. it doesn't suggest an approach based on a cut priced budget. It is too early to say of course but that is why Mr Nagle and team need to be judged in 18 - 24 months time. As we both know have a few poor results and that won't stop people being sceptical and focusing on immediate apparent narrative. As for this transfer window: We know how NW works, we have seen it before so you have to trust him to identify characters he thinks that will make the group better. We can't change the FFP regs so if that means we cannot spend massively we have to work within that limitation - it is what it is. Brighton are £300M in debt. Football clubs at championship level lose lots of money. Even really successful ones like Brighton. Mr Nagle will surely be well aware of this so the motivation is very interesting. Surely owners are in it for the kudos. None of them can be expecting to MAKE money?!?!? There is the opportunity to build something very special I guess, an asset to the community, a viable commercial concern around the ground, a good old traditional club punching above its weight in the best football league in the world and everything that could potentially do for its owner and his other interests. Making money though is not going to happen, not directly anyway!! Never, ever ... even if Warnock gets us promoted as champions with the smallest wage bill and tiniest squad the championship has ever seen! I guess American owners perhaps see clubs like ours as one small step away from a league that's light-years ahead of the MLS, as I understand it to enter the MLS would cost hundreds of millions of dollars. So I guess whatever he wanted for SRFC he can potentially get for Town at a fraction of the price, again though the big question is whats the motivation? Maybe the opportunity to acquire the stadium and land around it at a knock down price as part of the club? Maybe he is able to offset losses made with Town against his other business interests in the US? I've no idea if that's even possible with an overseas club but if it is then it could be a nice perk on top? Ok lots of owners lose it, but people make money on football clubs too. When the glaziers sell Man Utd they'll make an eyewatering profit. Abromovic did on Chelsea ( or would have done ) The Italian guy who's just sold Leeds will have done., though not as much as when they were in the PL. If the owners of most PL clubs sold up they'd make a lot of money. If we go up Nagle could sell town and make himself a HUGE profit, particularly as he got the club for very little. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 27, 2023 19:04:32 GMT 1
How many more are we going to get for the stiffs/ When are we going to start looking at improving the first team, do you think? Edwards is for the first team. |
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Post by royrace on Jul 27, 2023 19:12:14 GMT 1
Brighton are £300M in debt. Football clubs at championship level lose lots of money. Even really successful ones like Brighton. Mr Nagle will surely be well aware of this so the motivation is very interesting. Surely owners are in it for the kudos. None of them can be expecting to MAKE money?!?!? There is the opportunity to build something very special I guess, an asset to the community, a viable commercial concern around the ground, a good old traditional club punching above its weight in the best football league in the world and everything that could potentially do for its owner and his other interests. Making money though is not going to happen, not directly anyway!! Never, ever ... even if Warnock gets us promoted as champions with the smallest wage bill and tiniest squad the championship has ever seen! I guess American owners perhaps see clubs like ours as one small step away from a league that's light-years ahead of the MLS, as I understand it to enter the MLS would cost hundreds of millions of dollars. So I guess whatever he wanted for SRFC he can potentially get for Town at a fraction of the price, again though the big question is whats the motivation? Maybe the opportunity to acquire the stadium and land around it at a knock down price as part of the club? Maybe he is able to offset losses made with Town against his other business interests in the US? I've no idea if that's even possible with an overseas club but if it is then it could be a nice perk on top? Ok lots of owners lose it, but people make money on football clubs too. When the glaziers sell Man Utd they'll make an eyewatering profit. Abromovic did on Chelsea ( or would have done ) The Italian guy who's just sold Leeds will have done., though not as much as when they were in the PL. If the owners of most PL clubs sold up they'd make a lot of money. If we go up Nagle could sell town and make himself a HUGE profit, particularly as he got the club for very little. I doubt it. Who would buy Bournemouth for example? There's no business model there, it's just a complete money pit. As soon as you stop pumping in money they become a Wigan, probably worse, so there's no value except as a vanity project. What were town worth as a PL club before? Not a lot more than the debt they were carrying id imagine. |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 27, 2023 19:21:55 GMT 1
How many more are we going to get for the stiffs/ When are we going to start looking at improving the first team, do you think? Edwards is for the first team. S!;| things are worse than I thought. |
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Post by leroy212 on Jul 27, 2023 19:26:57 GMT 1
Ok lots of owners lose it, but people make money on football clubs too. When the glaziers sell Man Utd they'll make an eyewatering profit. Abromovic did on Chelsea ( or would have done ) The Italian guy who's just sold Leeds will have done., though not as much as when they were in the PL. If the owners of most PL clubs sold up they'd make a lot of money. If we go up Nagle could sell town and make himself a HUGE profit, particularly as he got the club for very little. I doubt it. Who would buy Bournemouth for example? There's no business model there, it's just a complete money pit. As soon as you stop pumping in money they become a Wigan, probably worse, so there's no value except as a vanity project. What were town worth as a PL club before? Not a lot more than the debt they were carrying id imagine. they got bought not that long a go, by americans with money behind them |
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Post by crux on Jul 27, 2023 19:31:47 GMT 1
Edwards is for the first team. S!;| things are worse than I thought. Who did you think was going to play right back until Turton was (hopefully) fit? |
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Post by Tiro on Jul 27, 2023 19:39:29 GMT 1
Benik Afobe is a free agent 👀 wouldn’t mind him, better than what we have Is he? What are you basing this on? |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 27, 2023 19:41:42 GMT 1
S!;| things are worse than I thought. Who did you think was going to play right back until Turton was (hopefully) fit? I believed that we were going to strengthen the first eleven. Maybe we will at some point. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 27, 2023 20:08:13 GMT 1
S!;| things are worse than I thought. Who did you think was going to play right back until Turton was (hopefully) fit? Turton has had two bad injuries now. He was steady but far from spectacular before those injuries so I'd say it isn't overly wise to assume he is a shoe in when he returns. |
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Post by crux on Jul 27, 2023 20:20:31 GMT 1
Who did you think was going to play right back until Turton was (hopefully) fit? Turton has had two bad injuries now. He was steady but far from spectacular before those injuries so I'd say it isn't overly wise to assume he is a shoe in when he returns. That's why I put hopefully. I'd say he was decent full back at Championship level before he was injured, but not really a wing back. A 'solid pro' who improved during his first season and learned quickly. He's never going to get in team of the year, but be a solid 6 or 7 out 10 most weeks. Whether the injuries have made him 'worse', or whether he's spent the time wisely to learn more tactical things on the defensive side, we shall see. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jul 27, 2023 20:28:16 GMT 1
Any in's or outs tomorrow?
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Post by drumriggend on Jul 27, 2023 20:48:51 GMT 1
Any in's or outs tomorrow? The last 9 Aussie batsmen.. 🤞 🍻 |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 27, 2023 20:54:25 GMT 1
Who did you think was going to play right back until Turton was (hopefully) fit? I believed that we were going to strengthen the first eleven. Maybe we will at some point. Probably. Warnock has predominantly played 352 in pre-season, Sorba will likely start at RWB. That's not to say we don't need another RB/RWB, particularly if Turton is injured. With over 20 assists over the last two seasons it's unlikely we'll be able to improve on Sorba. If NW wants to go more defensive or hold a lead then surely it's a decent, steady, signing defensively? Warnock is no fool, he knows what he needs to compete at this level. He's already acknowledged the attacking areas need strengthening as a priority, that's where we'll likely see first team improvements. Probably midfield aswell. Defence just needs a tweak in personnel. |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 27, 2023 20:58:09 GMT 1
I believed that we were going to strengthen the first eleven. Maybe we will at some point. Probably. Warnock has predominantly played 352 in pre-season, Sorba will likely start at RWB. That's not to say we don't need another RB/RWB, particularly if Turton is injured. With over 20 assists over the last two seasons it's unlikely we'll be able to improve on Sorba. If NW wants to go more defensive or hold a lead then surely it's a decent, steady, signing defensively? Warnock is no fool, he knows what he needs to compete at this level. He's already acknowledged the attacking areas need strengthening as a priority, that's where we'll likely see first team improvements. Probably midfield aswell. Defence just needs a tweak in personnel. I hope so. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 27, 2023 21:00:02 GMT 1
So much panic on here
Deadline is Sept 1st. Judge them on the business then. Realise we just need to compete this season and stay in this division. Trust in NW. Enjoy the rest of the Summer. Try not to wet the bed.
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Post by warnockbrasil on Jul 27, 2023 21:29:58 GMT 1
If you question it, your posts are labeled Inflamatory.. It has been a bad window. And everyone here will turn on Warnock once this quad inevitably struggles. There's a difference between questioning things and firing out barbs. It's too early to say whether Nagle's tenure will be successful. I started out with cautious optimism. That has been replaced with cautious pessimism. I'm concerned for this season but I'm not going to write off our new owners before their first ever transfer window has closed. I'm questioning things, believe me. I am at the cautious pessism stage as well. I dont think I was throwing out barbs , just wanted to add some balance to the nagle love. Seems more agreed with me by the amount of people who FINALLY aired some concerns. I also dont want NW to get woodshedded by owners like he did at bury, plymouth , and Notts County. NW had an offer on the table at Chelsea yet chose to stay at Notts after promises were made. The owner then proceeded to sell the whole team. Owners always make promises, I imagine Tom Edwards MLS exploits were far from Neils list. |
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Post by warnockbrasil on Jul 27, 2023 21:32:37 GMT 1
It is funny and more than ironic that the second signing of the window at an absolute CRITICAL position was probably spotted in the MLS. 4 years without a game at mighty stoke. NW better get that magic wand out boys....
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Post by thomo on Jul 27, 2023 21:37:21 GMT 1
So much panic on here Deadline is Sept 1st. Judge them on the business then. Realise we just need to compete this season and stay in this division. Trust in NW. Enjoy the rest of the Summer. Try not to wet the bed. Hope our aims are more than just to stay in the division even next year. Important we register at least 6 points from those first 4 games in August. |
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Post by shawsie on Jul 27, 2023 22:46:06 GMT 1
It is funny and more than ironic that the second signing of the window at an absolute CRITICAL position was probably spotted in the MLS. 4 years without a game at mighty stoke. NW better get that magic wand out boys.... By contrast, NW got a top tune out of koroma who wasnt featuring in league 1 when he returned to us. We desperately need new players........but lets get the right ones. Not just squad fillers |
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 27, 2023 23:32:32 GMT 1
It is funny and more than ironic that the second signing of the window at an absolute CRITICAL position was probably spotted in the MLS. 4 years without a game at mighty stoke. NW better get that magic wand out boys.... By contrast, NW got a top tune out of koroma who wasnt featuring in league 1 when he returned to us. We desperately need new players........but lets get the right ones. Not just squad fillers We won't get the quality you are referring to at all. Our wage structure is obviously inhibiting us from bringing in quality so any player we identify will just go elsewhere. We will end up with no better than what we already have. This season is a grit your teeth and hope for the best season I can tell. |
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Post by willo on Jul 28, 2023 0:04:55 GMT 1
By contrast, NW got a top tune out of koroma who wasnt featuring in league 1 when he returned to us. We desperately need new players........but lets get the right ones. Not just squad fillers We won't get the quality you are referring to at all. Our wage structure is obviously inhibiting us from bringing in quality so any player we identify will just go elsewhere. We will end up with no better than what we already have. This season is a grit your teeth and hope for the best season I can tell. Completely agree, unless we bring in several quality signings at the last minute which I don’t anticipate. If we didn’t have one of the best managers around for getting a tune out of a banjo, I’d be seriously concerned we’d be in for another season of struggle against relegation. As it is, reckon Neil will see us relatively safe at mid table or just below. Big second seasons in the Championship for players like Kasumu and Rudoni who will need to step up from the start. Having Nicholls and Yuta back will definitely help and we have one or two potentially exciting youngsters but we could really do with some creativity in midfield and someone who could bag us at least 15 goals. Here’s hoping. |
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Post by arry11 on Jul 28, 2023 0:25:29 GMT 1
By contrast, NW got a top tune out of koroma who wasnt featuring in league 1 when he returned to us. We desperately need new players........but lets get the right ones. Not just squad fillers We won't get the quality you are referring to at all. Our wage structure is obviously inhibiting us from bringing in quality so any player we identify will just go elsewhere. We will end up with no better than what we already have. This season is a grit your teeth and hope for the best season I can tell. We can still add quality through using the loan market wisely just need to get them through the door. |
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Post by shawsie on Jul 28, 2023 6:46:40 GMT 1
By contrast, NW got a top tune out of koroma who wasnt featuring in league 1 when he returned to us. We desperately need new players........but lets get the right ones. Not just squad fillers We won't get the quality you are referring to at all. Our wage structure is obviously inhibiting us from bringing in quality so any player we identify will just go elsewhere. We will end up with no better than what we already have. This season is a grit your teeth and hope for the best season I can tell. With respect ern....how do you know? Were brown, palmer, colwill, mooy not good enough or on too much money? I get the counter argument re kessler-hayden, tino, mbete etc but these loans werent just about money - its getting the right guys in. Most clubs at this level have a big problem - theyre paying too much for and to bang average footballers.......and for what?! To go into a prem league where the problem and numbers are telephone numbers by comparison and where most of the current players cant cope. Its a conundrum but not fixed just by spending money - ask stoke, leeds, boro, wed et al. |
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Post by exeter2terrier on Jul 28, 2023 7:14:14 GMT 1
Few reports of Hudlin going on loan, Port Vale and Blackpool interested, be good to get him to L1 with Simpson.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 28, 2023 8:11:36 GMT 1
We won't get the quality you are referring to at all. Our wage structure is obviously inhibiting us from bringing in quality so any player we identify will just go elsewhere. We will end up with no better than what we already have. This season is a grit your teeth and hope for the best season I can tell. With respect ern....how do you know? Were brown, palmer, colwill, mooy not good enough or on too much money? I get the counter argument re kessler-hayden, tino, mbete etc but these loans werent just about money - its getting the right guys in. Most clubs at this level have a big problem - theyre paying too much for and to bang average footballers.......and for what?! To go into a prem league where the problem and numbers are telephone numbers by comparison and where most of the current players cant cope. Its a conundrum but not fixed just by spending money - ask stoke, leeds, boro, wed et al. Warnock has said himself that he doesn't like signing superstars. He wouldn't blow huge wages on one player as it would unsettle the dressing room. For the modest wages we look to be offering that means we are either hoping for a decent loan or an average freebie. Anyone half decent at scoring goals would likely command wages we can't afford. I'm just hoping he gets the current players playing out of their skin like before and that we don't get any serious injuries. |
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Post by Wingman on Jul 28, 2023 8:18:39 GMT 1
Few reports of Hudlin going on loan, Port Vale and Blackpool interested, be good to get him to L1 with Simpson. That’ll be the end of him at Town then you’d think, contract up next Summer. |
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Post by rockwall on Jul 28, 2023 8:51:27 GMT 1
There's a difference between questioning things and firing out barbs. It's too early to say whether Nagle's tenure will be successful. I started out with cautious optimism. That has been replaced with cautious pessimism. I'm concerned for this season but I'm not going to write off our new owners before their first ever transfer window has closed. I'm questioning things, believe me. I am at the cautious pessism stage as well. I dont think I was throwing out barbs , just wanted to add some balance to the nagle love. Seems more agreed with me by the amount of people who FINALLY aired some concerns. I also dont want NW to get woodshedded by owners like he did at bury, plymouth , and Notts County. NW had an offer on the table at Chelsea yet chose to stay at Notts after promises were made. The owner then proceeded to sell the whole team. Owners always make promises, I imagine Tom Edwards MLS exploits were far from Neils list. Can you explain what Nagel is doing wrong and why you seem to hate him? Your alter ego Cowshed1992 could never answer that. Nagel can't do anything with this seasons budgets, what part of that can't you get into your thick skull? And if you are literally trying to WUM, at least make your posts make sense and be readable. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 28, 2023 9:22:35 GMT 1
Ok lots of owners lose it, but people make money on football clubs too. When the glaziers sell Man Utd they'll make an eyewatering profit. Abromovic did on Chelsea ( or would have done ) The Italian guy who's just sold Leeds will have done., though not as much as when they were in the PL. If the owners of most PL clubs sold up they'd make a lot of money. If we go up Nagle could sell town and make himself a HUGE profit, particularly as he got the club for very little. I doubt it. Who would buy Bournemouth for example? There's no business model there, it's just a complete money pit. As soon as you stop pumping in money they become a Wigan, probably worse, so there's no value except as a vanity project. What were town worth as a PL club before? Not a lot more than the debt they were carrying id imagine. The guy who sold Bournemouth last year ( Maxim Denim ) will have made a lot of money I would have thought after owning it for a decade or so. In the championship, Towns value is like you say not a lot..you are basically just buying ongoing losses , what assets we have and a league position. In the PL though, youre buying a club with a guaranteed income in excess of £100m a year etc etc etc. Different kettle of fish all round IMO. Radrizzani bought Leeds outright for £45m in 2017. He'd already sold 45% of it by the time he recently sold what he had left when the club was valued in that sale at £170m. Hes probably tripled his initial £45m overall and would have been much more had they not just been relegated. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 28, 2023 9:23:22 GMT 1
Few reports of Hudlin going on loan, Port Vale and Blackpool interested, be good to get him to L1 with Simpson. That’ll be the end of him at Town then you’d think, contract up next Summer. Unless he does well. I expect we'll be keeping a close eye on him to determine whether to offer him another contract next summer. (Of course, if it goes well he may get interest from elsewhere too) |
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