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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 19:58:48 GMT 1
I personally wouldn't have offered anyone a contract, as Koroma's agent plays silly buggers like he did last time. Ward got 5 goals last season for the money he will be on is he really worth it ? I doubt Koroma's agent is the only one to play games. Both sides will have their line and if those meet then fine. We have some young strikers coming through and learning from the likes of Ward and Rhodes should be really useful for them. I remember when Jepson and Boothy played together, old bull, young bull, and I am sure Boothy learned a lot from that time. If we got a good young striker then Ward would be played more from the bench, and he would be a real asset IMO. |
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Post by Tiro on May 19, 2023 20:07:54 GMT 1
Looking to retain JK & DW sets the tone for our new owners ambitions, I doubt we will be seeing exciting signings, which is a real pity. Absolute bollocks. The deal isn’t even complete yet (that we know of) and we don’t know a thing about the (expected) consortiums funding, their wealth and their ambitions. Koroma was arguably one of the best performers in the team despite only playing half the season. There’s nothing to substantiate this claim whatsoever. |
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Post by rockwall on May 19, 2023 20:14:49 GMT 1
I personally wouldn't have offered anyone a contract, as Koroma's agent plays silly buggers like he did last time. Ward got 5 goals last season for the money he will be on is he really worth it ? I doubt Koroma's agent is the only one to play games. Both sides will have their line and if those meet then fine. We have some young strikers coming through and learning from the likes of Ward and Rhodes should be really useful for them. I remember when Jepson and Boothy played together, old bull, young bull, and I am sure Boothy learned a lot from that time. If we got a good young striker then Ward would be played more from the bench, and he would be a real asset IMO. We have Rhodes for the back up and 'mentor' role. Rather Wards wages go towards someone more prolific. |
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Post by 28901 on May 19, 2023 20:20:11 GMT 1
Feel bad for Ruffles. He really came on under Warnock.
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Post by alexdire on May 19, 2023 20:28:15 GMT 1
Well we should have listened to the fax machine on Aarons.
There's at least two on that list who won't play a game again. Rhodes and Mahoney. Hopefully we can move them on.
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Post by ColchTerrier on May 19, 2023 20:29:15 GMT 1
Feel bad for Ruffles. He really came on under Warnock. If Warnock had a say - which I don’t know if he did but some are saying he did. Then he must know if we are to progress we need better… |
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Post by alexdire on May 19, 2023 20:32:31 GMT 1
Feel bad for Ruffles. He really came on under Warnock. I hope it gets him a good club in league one. Despite his improvements, he isn't Championship quality. |
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Post by 28901 on May 19, 2023 20:45:17 GMT 1
Feel bad for Ruffles. He really came on under Warnock. I hope it gets him a good club in league one. Despite his improvements, he isn't Championship quality. I think he could do a job as a squad member. Good luck to him. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 19, 2023 20:47:45 GMT 1
Why on earth are we in discussion with Danny Ward ? Yes, he scored against Sheffield United and had the odd moments but, put simply, he doesn't score goals. We've relied on him now as our central striker and his goal scoring stats, for almost his whole career, are not good . I know he was Neil Warnock's favourite player but please let's not start another season with him leading the line. We KNOW it doesn't work. He seems a nice bloke and works hard but surely we can do better ? I can get questioning it, I'm not so sure myself. But 'why on on earth' is so dramatic, to say the least. I know you touch on it, but ever thought that Warnock and Rocket Roniie may know a bit (a fucking lot!) more than you, me and nearly everyone else on here!? He played loads in the season we got to the play-offs, similarly lead the line when Cardiff got promoted (I think) and was ever present at the end of the season when our form was unregonisable to prior. That is not a player you can say WE know doessn't work in that role, rather only that YOU are confident it doesn't work. Personally hope we get a new first choice striker regardless. |
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Post by town1 on May 19, 2023 20:47:47 GMT 1
No real surprises with this list. Ward will probably sign on for another year and Koroma will go to the highest bidder, so unlikely to be us.
We just need to sign a bit of quality now, including a centre forward.
Just remembered I thought we needed a 9 last year and the year before and ….
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 19, 2023 21:18:20 GMT 1
Can’t help thinking we might live to regret Ruffels. I’m not suggesting he’s going to end up playing for Barcelona, but with a regular place in the starting XI he seemed to be growing in confidence. But as others have said we have other lads in that position so maybe he got the short straw.
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Post by dalesterrier on May 19, 2023 21:32:52 GMT 1
Anybody know who worked on the retained list?
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Post by Porrohman on May 19, 2023 21:35:34 GMT 1
Koroma is a real tough one. We know he has talent, albeit pretty limited to one, admittedly excellent, right footed instep being passed into the net. But, when he doesn't want to/can't be arsed playing, he is a virtual passenger. We seem to have a very bloated, poor quality squad in attacking positions & if budget is limited. I'd be happy to let someone else take the chance on him wanting to play on any given match day. If we aren't anywhere near off-loading Jordan Rhodes, I'd be very disappointed at even offering Danny Ward anything, we simply cannot afford to have both of them on the books next season. So get rid of the one that can do a job because we're stuck with the one that can't 😖 |
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Post by Tinpot on May 19, 2023 21:38:30 GMT 1
I hope it gets him a good club in league one. Despite his improvements, he isn't Championship quality. I think he could do a job as a squad member. Good luck to him. As do I. However with Yuta available at left back, and both Headley and Jackson coming on leaps and bounds at left wing back I can't see the need for a reasonable squad player in that position. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 19, 2023 21:56:32 GMT 1
Koroma is a real tough one. We know he has talent, albeit pretty limited to one, admittedly excellent, right footed instep being passed into the net. But, when he doesn't want to/can't be arsed playing, he is a virtual passenger. We seem to have a very bloated, poor quality squad in attacking positions & if budget is limited. I'd be happy to let someone else take the chance on him wanting to play on any given match day. If we aren't anywhere near off-loading Jordan Rhodes, I'd be very disappointed at even offering Danny Ward anything, we simply cannot afford to have both of them on the books next season. A few months ago I might have agreed with you wrt JK (and would have suggested that you were being generous!) but for me he'd not just regained his form under Neil Warnock but reinvented himself. Bombing in from the right, shooting with his left, crossing with both feet, he became far less predictable. The penny seems to have dropped I'm confident that he'll have a great season next season. I just hope that's with us. |
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Post by Big Ern on May 19, 2023 22:19:25 GMT 1
I think he could do a job as a squad member. Good luck to him. As do I. However with Yuta available at left back, and both Headley and Jackson coming on leaps and bounds at left wing back I can't see the need for a reasonable squad player in that position. I can see yuta as being the long term replacement for Lees more than anything. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 19, 2023 22:36:28 GMT 1
Koroma is a real tough one. We know he has talent, albeit pretty limited to one, admittedly excellent, right footed instep being passed into the net. But, when he doesn't want to/can't be arsed playing, he is a virtual passenger. We seem to have a very bloated, poor quality squad in attacking positions & if budget is limited. I'd be happy to let someone else take the chance on him wanting to play on any given match day. If we aren't anywhere near off-loading Jordan Rhodes, I'd be very disappointed at even offering Danny Ward anything, we simply cannot afford to have both of them on the books next season. So get rid of the one that can do a job because we're stuck with the one that can't 😖 If we're stuck with Rhodes & Ward, with Simpson & Harratt, what has changed? We've been awful up front all this season, is it 11/12 league goals between the quartet in TOTAL?, it would be ridiculous to expect to compete with those 4. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 22:48:29 GMT 1
Why on earth are we in discussion with Danny Ward ? Yes, he scored against Sheffield United and had the odd moments but, put simply, he doesn't score goals. We've relied on him now as our central striker and his goal scoring stats, for almost his whole career, are not good . I know he was Neil Warnock's favourite player but please let's not start another season with him leading the line. We KNOW it doesn't work. He seems a nice bloke and works hard but surely we can do better ? I can get questioning it, I'm not so sure myself. But 'why on earth on earth' is so dramatic, to say the least. I know you touch on it, but ever thought that Warnock and Rocket Roniie may know a bit (a fucking lot!) more than you, me and nearly everyone else on here!? He played loads in the season we got to the play-offs, similarly lead the line when Cardiff got promoted (I think) and was ever present at the end of the season when our form was unregonisable to prior. That is not a player you can say WE know doessn't work in that role, rather only that YOU are confident it doesn't work. Personally hope we get a new first choice striker regardless. Also, if it is Bolton he goes to, you have to wonder why the team who finished 5th in our league want him. We have played him pretty much all season as a lone striker, it would be interesting to see him play with a younger striker alongside. He seems to be rated highly by some successful people. |
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Post by runner76 on May 19, 2023 23:04:06 GMT 1
So get rid of the one that can do a job because we're stuck with the one that can't 😖 If we're stuck with Rhodes & Ward, with Simpson & Harratt, what has changed? We've been awful up front all this season, is it 11/12 league goals between the quartet in TOTAL?, it would be ridiculous to expect to compete with those 4. I’m also thinking that! If we’ve got an ambitious new owner with $$$$ and a decent manager, why would we be looking to lead the line with strikers whose goal scoring records in recent years are bang average?……..hoping we are in the market for some strikers who can bang in 15+ each!!! |
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Post by wildhogg on May 19, 2023 23:10:10 GMT 1
I'd keep Ward and Koroma, without a shadow of doubt. However, Ward shouldn't be a starting choice next season and I'd offer him a year at the most. If he was prepared to play a squad role then great, but he'll probably want a longer deal and guaranteed action at this stage of his career.
Koroma was quite possibly the best player in the Championship over the last few months of the season, using both feet and adding several strings to his bow. It's a no-brainer for me.
Ruffels - no. He really grew on me, mainly due to his unexpected goals and effort. However, we've got more than one other decent left-back option and they're all above him in the pecking order promise/talent-wise.
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Post by bluestripe on May 19, 2023 23:11:40 GMT 1
As do I. However with Yuta available at left back, and both Headley and Jackson coming on leaps and bounds at left wing back I can't see the need for a reasonable squad player in that position. I can see yuta as being the long term replacement for Lees more than anything. Can't see Yuta being here past the end of next season given his contract ends without any option. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 19, 2023 23:28:15 GMT 1
I can get questioning it, I'm not so sure myself. But 'why on earth on earth' is so dramatic, to say the least. I know you touch on it, but ever thought that Warnock and Rocket Roniie may know a bit (a fucking lot!) more than you, me and nearly everyone else on here!? He played loads in the season we got to the play-offs, similarly lead the line when Cardiff got promoted (I think) and was ever present at the end of the season when our form was unregonisable to prior. That is not a player you can say WE know doessn't work in that role, rather only that YOU are confident it doesn't work. Personally hope we get a new first choice striker regardless. Also, if it is Bolton he goes to, you have to wonder why the team who finished 5th in our league want him. We have played him pretty much all season as a lone striker, it would be interesting to see him play with a younger striker alongside. He seems to be rated highly by some successful people. Did I miss something, have Bolton found their way in to The Championship? Last I heard they were League One snd certainly League One after tonight. |
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Post by rockwall on May 20, 2023 0:18:54 GMT 1
Anybody know who worked on the retained list? Pretty sure it will have been Bromby and Baldwin |
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Post by rockwall on May 20, 2023 0:21:48 GMT 1
I can get questioning it, I'm not so sure myself. But 'why on earth on earth' is so dramatic, to say the least. I know you touch on it, but ever thought that Warnock and Rocket Roniie may know a bit (a fucking lot!) more than you, me and nearly everyone else on here!? He played loads in the season we got to the play-offs, similarly lead the line when Cardiff got promoted (I think) and was ever present at the end of the season when our form was unregonisable to prior. That is not a player you can say WE know doessn't work in that role, rather only that YOU are confident it doesn't work. Personally hope we get a new first choice striker regardless. Also, if it is Bolton he goes to, you have to wonder why the team who finished 5th in our league want him. We have played him pretty much all season as a lone striker, it would be interesting to see him play with a younger striker alongside. He seems to be rated highly by some successful people. It really wouldn't. Ward has done well in our situation. We need someone to get us at least 10 goals minimum. Ward will not do that next season. Sick of the sentiment or the 'work rate'. A striker puts the ball in the net. Beckett, Abbott, even Rhodes in his 1st spell didn't really 'work hard' they could be anonymous for the majority but would have 1 chance and score it. |
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Post by rockwall on May 20, 2023 0:23:42 GMT 1
So get rid of the one that can do a job because we're stuck with the one that can't 😖 If we're stuck with Rhodes & Ward, with Simpson & Harratt, what has changed? We've been awful up front all this season, is it 11/12 league goals between the quartet in TOTAL?, it would be ridiculous to expect to compete with those 4. Fully agree. Personally for us to move forward, Rhodes, Ward & Holmes need to be moved on. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 20, 2023 7:07:24 GMT 1
Koroma is a real tough one. We know he has talent, albeit pretty limited to one, admittedly excellent, right footed instep being passed into the net. But, when he doesn't want to/can't be arsed playing, he is a virtual passenger. We seem to have a very bloated, poor quality squad in attacking positions & if budget is limited. I'd be happy to let someone else take the chance on him wanting to play on any given match day. If we aren't anywhere near off-loading Jordan Rhodes, I'd be very disappointed at even offering Danny Ward anything, we simply cannot afford to have both of them on the books next season. So get rid of the one that can do a job because we're stuck with the one that can't 😖 Rhodes 5 league goals in 15 starts. Ward 5 in 29 starts. I know which would I'd be getting rid of & it aint Rhodes. |
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Post by ldotm on May 20, 2023 7:20:52 GMT 1
As others have said, don’t mind Ward staying if he isn’t seen as first choice, and we get a new striker.
There’s a reason Warnock loves him, despite him not scoring goals for fun. Fantastic attitude and great for team culture, which can have a bigger impact than you think.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 20, 2023 7:29:50 GMT 1
Wouldn't be throwing silly money at Koroma. 3 months of playing well doesn't suddenly warrant a big offer when he was so poor before it.
If someone else wants to pay it then so be it. There will be plenty of free agents in the similar ability category to Koroma and likely some of those can self motivate rather than needing Neil Warnock to make them feel confident
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Post by sapphireblue on May 20, 2023 8:49:59 GMT 1
If we're stuck with Rhodes & Ward, with Simpson & Harratt, what has changed? We've been awful up front all this season, is it 11/12 league goals between the quartet in TOTAL?, it would be ridiculous to expect to compete with those 4. Fully agree. Personally for us to move forward, Rhodes, Ward & Holmes need to be moved on. Holmes will only be moving to hospital and the physiotherapist for quite a while yet. |
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Post by workshyfop on May 20, 2023 9:04:56 GMT 1
If we're stuck with Rhodes & Ward, with Simpson & Harratt, what has changed? We've been awful up front all this season, is it 11/12 league goals between the quartet in TOTAL?, it would be ridiculous to expect to compete with those 4. Fully agree. Personally for us to move forward, Rhodes, Ward & Holmes need to be moved on. Three experienced championship players. With a few others in defence, it’s a solid base. We need championship standard players and sadly there’s a few in the squad who aren’t. The players we’ve loaned to other sides in our division haven’t got much playing time, so that tells its own story. If we played with wingers and more on the front foot, Rhodes would probably score goals. Ward is steady enough, works hard. I like Holmes too, puts a shift in and has a bit of ability. I suppose it all depends on our budget, which remains to be seen. I’d hate to see the likes of them shipped out and replaced by Kamberi, Waghorn and Knockaert for example. |
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