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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 1, 2023 19:26:31 GMT 1
Communiicate on Twitter before taking over kept us in the loop so will go along with. After the take over then I would say no, certainly not in the way he did. Criticising your workforce in public, either indirectly or directly has disaster written all over it. Really well put. I think he's eager and wants to be seen to be committed even though he's ten thousand miles away. But he'd be better off leaving Jake Edwards to be more of the front of house presence, he's presumably living here and will therefore be in a better place to gauge what to say. Unfortunately People with money come in two packages, humble, grateful etc. Or entitled and full of it. Nagle is the latter. |
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Post by htfc1984 on Sept 1, 2023 19:26:33 GMT 1
I’ve been very pro KN from the start… but the more I read about him and his daft tweets the more concerned I get. Has he bitten off a lot more than he can chew ? Todays tweet is absolutely ridiculous. He must have known that will really get peoples back up when people are already having digs about the lack of activity.
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Post by Sio on Sept 1, 2023 19:38:53 GMT 1
Really well put. I think he's eager and wants to be seen to be committed even though he's ten thousand miles away. But he'd be better off leaving Jake Edwards to be more of the front of house presence, he's presumably living here and will therefore be in a better place to gauge what to say. Unfortunately People with money come in two packages, humble, grateful etc. Or entitled and full of it. Nagle is the latter. I think that's harsh - there is little to suggest he is that way, especially given his messages around community, upbringing etc. Having said that, there is equally very little to suggest that he isn't absolutely clueless about how to run an English football club. |
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Post by terriers321 on Sept 1, 2023 21:42:31 GMT 1
Its to early to be turning on him. We are in a genuine transition period. Not the pretend kind we were used to hearing from Hoyle and Hodgkinson every season as an excuse for the off field shenanigans.
He has inherited a shocking squad thats suffered from serious under investment from the messiah. We were heading for league one under that regime so lets hope Nagle can change the direction.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 1, 2023 22:13:42 GMT 1
Its to early to be turning on him. We are in a genuine transition period. Not the pretend kind we were used to hearing from Hoyle and Hodgkinson every season as an excuse for the off field shenanigans. He has inherited a shocking squad thats suffered from serious under investment from the messiah. We were heading for league one under that regime so lets hope Nagle can change the direction. Lets hope he can change the direction the club is heading in, but based on his squad building it looks like we have pressed the accelerator not turned the wheel. |
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Post by Floyds on Sept 1, 2023 22:26:46 GMT 1
I’m the fullness of time, we’ll look back on this like Peter Hook does on the Hacienda.
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 1, 2023 23:08:56 GMT 1
Unfortunately People with money come in two packages, humble, grateful etc. Or entitled and full of it. Nagle is the latter. I think that's harsh - there is little to suggest he is that way, especially given his messages around community, upbringing etc. Having said that, there is equally very little to suggest that he isn't absolutely clueless about how to run an English football club. Sio, I am sure you will have come across the expression ‘talking a good game’. To be honest, Nagle had me fooled, I believed his bullshit. |
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Post by H7 on Sept 1, 2023 23:10:45 GMT 1
I was impressed initially and looking forward to the Nagle era (and still am) however I can't hide disappointment with this transfer window. We are woefully short which is an opinion shared by the first team manager... Can't be a good sign.
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Post by kayeb222 on Sept 2, 2023 1:51:39 GMT 1
I’m the fullness of time, we’ll look back on this like Peter Hook does on the Hacienda. Lol.Which Peter Hook? The one who looks back on the Hacienda as a spiritual place of  where all his young adult dreams were fullfilled or the Peter Hook who says Tony Wilson stitched himself,New order and Martin Hannett up by blowing all factory's budget on the great big,money swallowing hole in the ground that was the Hacienda?? 😂 |
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Post by CurlyWurly on Sept 2, 2023 2:29:43 GMT 1
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Post by belizian on Sept 2, 2023 2:58:46 GMT 1
I'm genuinely concerned regarding the effect that some of our fans that post on twitter are having. I think some of their comments, especially the one calling KN a c**t, reflect really badly not only on the half wits that post and insult him but also badly on the club and even, and especially to any American reading them, on the Town itself.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 2, 2023 6:49:49 GMT 1
New Era...🤣🤣
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Post by htfc1908 on Sept 2, 2023 7:25:59 GMT 1
Someone on here said that Dean Hoyle would only sell to someone that wouldn't put as much into the club as he did to protect his legacy ,at the time I thought what a load of bollocks! I'm not so sure now  |
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Post by townrwe on Sept 2, 2023 7:31:16 GMT 1
If this has been Phils approach we would have had masks and pitchforks out and be ready yo publicly hung drawn and quartered above the club shop.
Im sorry, but this guy has asset stripped us, will make us lean and then sell us on or hope to make a profit selling USA players through our academy.
I like his initial jib, but I'm ready to join anyone who sings sack the board today.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 2, 2023 7:43:02 GMT 1
Someone on here said that Dean Hoyle would only sell to someone that wouldn't put as much into the club as he did to protect his legacy ,at the time I thought what a load of bollocks! I'm not so sure now I would doubt/hope that isn't the case but the DH legacy, for me, is the inability to have a plan to make the best of the Premier League. He certainly did many good things but he was lucky that he found Wagner, who was really the man who created the legacy that people wistfully refer to. I am not sure if Mr Nagle has either misread the mood or is ignoring it. Many of the fans dreamt of the Premier League as an unlikely achievement (based on the previous 45 years). When it was achieved it was a Beacon of hope that we could see the club at a different level. The "step change" that was stated. The disappointment, be it palpable or latent, of that inability to make Town better is now in our personality. Another season of struggle and questioning the decisions taken by the owner isn't, ideally, what we need, but it looks like what we will get. I hope NW sticks with the fans and the players as it is our only chance of staying in the Championship. As for Mr Nagle he needs to read the room, consider what he has really inherited, get off social media, start being real and talk, directly (as at Magic Rock, through the podcasts or media) and start to demonstrate an empathy and understanding of the mood of the fans and why we feel that way. Simply tweeting the team "should do better" isn't going to work. Most of us have seen enough football to know if the players are putting the effort in (for me, so far, they are), but lack sufficient quality. It's looking like another long season. Which, in my view, is not what we need... at all. |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 2, 2023 8:11:37 GMT 1
If this has been Phils approach we would have had masks and pitchforks out and be ready yo publicly hung drawn and quartered above the club shop. Im sorry, but this guy has asset stripped us, will make us lean and then sell us on or hope to make a profit selling USA players through our academy. I like his initial jib, but I'm ready to join anyone who sings sack the board today. Asset stripping 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I guess you’re talking about us selling Dwayne?  |
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 2, 2023 8:44:44 GMT 1
I think this is how it is going to play out.
Warnock walks, Nagle is not prepared for the backlash that he is going to get as a result.
He gets pissed off with the fans and puts the club up for sale.
Meanwhile on the pitch, results go from bad to worse under whatever cheap Manager Nagle gets in.
We get sold to whoever wants to pay money for a league 1 club with a disgruntled fan base and some expensive Championship overheads and limited assets in terms of Players that can be sold for good money.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 2, 2023 8:51:02 GMT 1
I appreciate that everyone is allowed an opinion, but this board gets crazier by the day.
I haven’t a clue how this will turn out, but I can’t recall the levels of impatience we see on here.
Something in the water perhaps? Or recreational’ drugs, whatever they are..
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Sept 2, 2023 8:57:07 GMT 1
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss…" |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 2, 2023 9:00:58 GMT 1
I like 99% of what Nagle has said and done. The club is in massive need of improvements and he seems to have identified a lot of them and said changes will be made.
But you can’t neglect the first team squad and just sack off a season whilst you do other stuff. You particular can’t do this when starting from such a low base - a poor squad that almost got relegated and would have done 9 times out of 10.
To make just 3 outfield signings in your first window as owner, especially given what he inherited is mental. Yes signings need to be well thought through and better than what we already have rather than just spaffing for the sake of it, but given that squad how we’ve not managed to find and fund better is bizarre. 1 senior striker, who’s injury prone and entering the twilight of his career…
What this club badly needed was a sense of hope, hope that better days could be around the corner. He’s not delivered.
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Sept 2, 2023 9:06:45 GMT 1
I appreciate that everyone is allowed an opinion, but this board gets crazier by the day. I haven’t a clue how this will turn out, but I can’t recall the levels of impatience we see on here. Something in the water perhaps? Or recreational’ drugs, whatever they are.. The reactions are totally understandable to a new owner coming in and turfing out 24 players, replacing them with almost bugger all, coupled with apparent dissatisfaction of the transfer window by Warnock. We’re passionate fans, and yes sometimes have ridiculously unrealistic expectations. However, this transfer window has been a shocker as the club let go 24 players and replaced them with literally a handful, and not exactly a very inspiring handful, with the possible exception of Burgzorg who looks like he has good potential. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 2, 2023 9:08:10 GMT 1
I like 99% of what Nagle has said and done. The club is in massive need of improvements and he seems to have identified a lot of them and said changes will be made. But you can’t neglect the first team squad and just sack off a season whilst you do other stuff. You particular can’t do this when starting from such a low base - a poor squad that almost got relegated and would have done 9 times out of 10. To make just 3 outfield signings in your first window as owner, especially given what he inherited is mental. Yes signings need to be well thought through and better than what we already have rather than just spaffing for the sake of it, but given that squad how we’ve not managed to find and find better is bizarre. 1 senior striker, who’s injury prone and entering the twilight of his career… What this club badly needed was a sense of hope, hope that better days could be around the corner. He’s not delivered. There's one word we keep coming back to with the new owner and it's naivety. Does he realise (has he been told) the sort of budget that is required to stay up in this league? What I don't understand is spending a £1 million plus wages on a central midfielder, loan fee plus wages on a left winger, then loaning out Rhodes, Simpson and Phillips and not getting a striker. The budget was clearly there, but the deals have not got done. That isn't on Nagle, that's Cartwright not getting deals done. The only blame you can put on Nagle is in the appointing of those below him, and I was wary of Cartwright from the start. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 2, 2023 9:08:44 GMT 1
I like 99% of what Nagle has said and done. The club is in massive need of improvements and he seems to have identified a lot of them and said changes will be made. But you can’t neglect the first team squad and just sack off a season whilst you do other stuff. You particular can’t do this when starting from such a low base - a poor squad that almost got relegated and would have done 9 times out of 10. To make just 3 outfield signings in your first window as owner, especially given what he inherited is mental. Yes signings need to be well thought through and better than what we already have rather than just spaffing for the sake of it, but given that squad how we’ve not managed to find and fund better is bizarre. 1 senior striker, who’s injury prone and entering the twilight of his career… What this club badly needed was a sense of hope, hope that better days could be around the corner. He’s not delivered. His vision of being self sustaining is very admirable but until some of the benefits start to show, the squad will still need some serious investment. If you plant the carrots and spuds, you’ll still need to go to the supermarket until they’ve grown for your big shop. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 2, 2023 9:13:58 GMT 1
I appreciate that everyone is allowed an opinion, but this board gets crazier by the day. I haven’t a clue how this will turn out, but I can’t recall the levels of impatience we see on here. Something in the water perhaps? Or recreational’ drugs, whatever they are.. It's a fair observation but the reason patience isn't abundant is because of what we have all had to endure over the past 5 years. Mr Nagle may deliver but I don't see it being rapid. It maybe that we have to be patient but I can understand why many won't. As I posted earlier I don't think Mr Nagle has cottoned on to the underlying level of frustration. He'd be well advised to understand it and adapt his approach. If he is on a long term strategy then he needs to be crystal clear and move away from the glib social media soundbites. Fans might not be happy but at least we all know where we stand. Fans can either get on board on not. At the moment we have a lot of positive veneer but little substance and detail. Personally I hoped we could move in a new direction, with a fresh outlook and some new ideas. Sadly, and perhaps it's all Mr Nagle can/is prepared to do, we are back to low budgets, being patronised and hopeful rhetoric. Why do we have a low budget? Mr Nagle set it, but chose to studiously avoid explaining why. As I say it maybe a perfectly good reason but it is a reason that remains unclear. Of course if NW and the players pick up results this debate softens. If results don't pick up the impact will be tumultuous. If results don't improve the return to League One, where a few think we belong, will be inevitable. If that did happen I am unsure what the club and the future would look like. No-one can deny it's very frustrating. |
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Post by Sio on Sept 2, 2023 9:15:44 GMT 1
I appreciate that everyone is allowed an opinion, but this board gets crazier by the day. I haven’t a clue how this will turn out, but I can’t recall the levels of impatience we see on here. Something in the water perhaps? Or recreational’ drugs, whatever they are.. Nah you're wrong here. Impatience?! Most fans in June were saying they'd take a season of consolidation, which I imagine is still the case for many. Unfortunately we have completely neglected the playing squad. We were weak last year - but now we are another level (unless Wiles and Burgzorg turn out to completely transform us). It's been a shambles of a transfer window and even the manager knows how unprepared we now are for the season. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 2, 2023 9:16:47 GMT 1
I like 99% of what Nagle has said and done. The club is in massive need of improvements and he seems to have identified a lot of them and said changes will be made. But you can’t neglect the first team squad and just sack off a season whilst you do other stuff. You particular can’t do this when starting from such a low base - a poor squad that almost got relegated and would have done 9 times out of 10. To make just 3 outfield signings in your first window as owner, especially given what he inherited is mental. Yes signings need to be well thought through and better than what we already have rather than just spaffing for the sake of it, but given that squad how we’ve not managed to find and fund better is bizarre. 1 senior striker, who’s injury prone and entering the twilight of his career… What this club badly needed was a sense of hope, hope that better days could be around the corner. He’s not delivered. Well said. The thing is this; does he not get it (the fans mood, and why they feel that way - generally speaking, noting not everyone is despondent/concerned) or is he ignoring it? I really don't know. |
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Post by 12acde on Sept 2, 2023 9:18:32 GMT 1
Someone on here said that Dean Hoyle would only sell to someone that wouldn't put as much into the club as he did to protect his legacy ,at the time I thought what a load of bollocks! I'm not so sure now Shuuuuduup! |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 2, 2023 9:18:51 GMT 1
I appreciate that everyone is allowed an opinion, but this board gets crazier by the day. I haven’t a clue how this will turn out, but I can’t recall the levels of impatience we see on here. Something in the water perhaps? Or recreational’ drugs, whatever they are.. Nah you're wrong here. Impatience?! Most fans in June were saying they'd take a season of consolidation, which I imagine is still the case for many. Unfortunately we have completely neglected the playing squad. We were weak last year - but now we are another level (unless Wiles and Burgzorg turn out to completely transform us). It's been a shambles of a transfer window and even the manager knows how unprepared we now are for the season. Warnock won't have sugared the pill and will have given his, experienced, opinion. If, as it seems, that has been largely ignored it doesn't make for a productive or harmonious atmosphere. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Sept 2, 2023 9:19:24 GMT 1
After this window it really makes no sense to me why he bought the club. We’re on the other side of the world and lose money hand over fist, it would only be logical if you wanted to try and reach the Prem.
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 2, 2023 9:20:31 GMT 1
I like 99% of what Nagle has said and done. The club is in massive need of improvements and he seems to have identified a lot of them and said changes will be made. But you can’t neglect the first team squad and just sack off a season whilst you do other stuff. You particular can’t do this when starting from such a low base - a poor squad that almost got relegated and would have done 9 times out of 10. To make just 3 outfield signings in your first window as owner, especially given what he inherited is mental. Yes signings need to be well thought through and better than what we already have rather than just spaffing for the sake of it, but given that squad how we’ve not managed to find and fund better is bizarre. 1 senior striker, who’s injury prone and entering the twilight of his career… What this club badly needed was a sense of hope, hope that better days could be around the corner. He’s not delivered. Having only one senior striker who unfortunately can be subject to injuries. And for the record I like Danny Ward. Oh and to call him a striker is also debatable. If you ran a wholesalers and had an industrial unit where you were reliant on a forklift truck and forklift truck driver to unload inbound goods for you to stock and subsequently to load on to outbound collecting vehicles to sell. Would you run with one forklift Driver?, one Driver who has been known to have sickness absence (having had the opportunity to recruit a second or third driver but choosing not to). This is gross negligence on an industrial scale. It beggars belief, it really does. It is also not fair on Warnock or Ward to have so much reliance and pressure on one individual. |
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where all his young adult dreams were fullfilled or the Peter Hook who says Tony Wilson stitched himself,New order and Martin Hannett up by blowing all factory's budget on the great big,money swallowing hole in the ground that was the Hacienda?? 😂
